And here's those timestamps for everyone on phones: 00:00 Hello! 00:12 Intro and what we’re doing today 01:50 The amp and pedals I’m using Clean Sounds 04:02 Reference chords on all pickups 04:39 Open indie pop chords 05:06 Indie pop arpeggios 05:24 Ascending droning indie rock chords 05:52 Strokes inspired chord progression Clean Sounds with ambient delay/reverb 06:32 Atmospheric indie soundscapes 08:06 Bloc Party inspired riffs Crunch Sounds 08:49 Indie rock rhythm chords riff 09:18 Indie octave chords 09:47 Indie rock barre chords 10:12 Kings Of Leon inspired riff 10:41 Droning indie rock riff 11:06 Edgy indie barre chords 11:35 Indie rock octave chords riff Garage rock sounds 12:00 Hives inspired garage rock riff 12:16 Black Keys inspired chords 12:46 Country rock ballad arpeggios 13:13 Groovy garage rock progression 13:48 White Stripes inspired riff with octave pedal 14:01 Wolfmother inspired garage rock riff with octave pedal 14:17 High gain indie post rock riff with ambient delay/reverb 14:49 Which rig was the Pod Go? 15:30 How does the Pod Go compare to the amp and pedals? 16:28 Where the amp wins over the Pod Go 17:07 Where the Pod Go wins: ambient FX 17:56 Pod Go limitations: number of FX per preset 18:14 Pod Go limitations: DSP power 19:14 My conclusions: how good is the Pod Go for indie rock? 19:43 Final thoughts and goodbye
I thing Pod Go got a warmer sound in comparison to the Rig B. Rig B, however, have more presence, but sounds a bit thin to my ears. In the most of the time I preferred Pod Go, except in the clean sounds in which the Rig B got a better top end.
Interesting, so for this video you preferred the Pod Go! I am getting better at dialing it in, but hey, I guess it also changes based on what's being played, etc. For me, my opinion can change a lot on what I prefer. Hopefully I can get the Pod Go sounding even better in the future!
Rig A was the pod. Ok back to the rest of the vid to see how wrong I was 18:24 oooh I hate that DSP OVER warning 😖 I was right, I know pod sounds!! Love that shirt Sir. Worship music seems like a perfect fit for the pod go… or garage MetaaaaaaaaaL.
You got it right! I actually think it's not that hard to tell if you know your stuff. As you clearly do, from fashion sense to shredding tips! And yes, pretty much every time I search for Pod Go stuff when I need to know something, there's a friendly worship channel out there to show me the way ;) The way to using the Pod Go, that is, not THE way.
My guess was rig A was the pod…. The big tell for me was how even the output and smooth the tone with the pod, and how you were able to get more bite and sharpness out of the pedals. I have a Humbucker in the neck and a single coil in the bridge of a 24.75” scale single cut (kinda like a Fano Teli/LP) and I play with a Boss ME 70 so it sounded very familiar to my ears. With drive both rigs seemed closer to each other, but on the clean side were easier to tell apart. Im actually relieved since I love the simplicity of a single unit and I preferred the tones of rig A. In the ultimate shootout could you get better ambient cleans out of more boutique pedals?
Yeah, you got it. I actually don't have that much experience with modelers so it's interesting to hear how you recognized it, and how it shares some similarities with the ME 70. I do feel like the more FX you put on the tones, the closer they are in terms of sound quality. And of course once you're in a mix or a band setting no one's telling the difference anyway. But yes, for an ultimate test I could use more expensive pedals... for this video I at least tried to keep the amp/pedals' price down as close to the Pod Go as I could! I have the Empress Echo System as well and that'd match the Line 6 in terms of delays way better... but that delay on its own costs as much as the Pod Go!
Iiiiii think Rig B is the Black Spirit because I know that amp's cab models pretty well and that sounds like BS200 cab to me :P To be fair, I think the POD/Rig A might sit in a recorded mix better, more prominent midrange and less woof on the bottom.
You sure know your stuff! The Red Box is the giveaway as usual. But you're actually right about the Pod Go, I reckon it'll be ace in mixes too... something I need to try soon!
Yeah, I picked it pretty easily that A was th Pod, & B the amp! DON'T forget, I too own an H&K amp, and instantly recognised that chimey, Voxish clean channel immediately! The Pod was more flat response in the mids, whereas the H&K was more scooped on the clean channels!
@@RichWordsMusic Yep! Funnily enough Rich, I pulled out my my Hayden HGT 20 combo & had a play! On its own, it's pretty average sounding, 'budget' valve amp! The stock, Hayden branded speaker is utter garbage! HAD they used a better speaker, they WOULD have sold more of these! Tonight was the 1st time I actually ran it thru my V2X12 speaker, loaded with 2, 75W AU made, LORANTZ guitar speakers, kind of modelled on vint GB's but not as 'nasally'! I had prev tried it on my 1X12 with a similar speaker, & it sounded pretty good! With the 2X12, it was even BETTER! Once I cranked the clean channel to about 7, oh WOW, the chime that came out, with just a hint of hair to it! With the internal speaker, it would distort @ 4-5 on the volume! Speaker break up, & it's bollocks! With the 2X12 able to handle up to 150W, it stays clean AS, to alm full volume. (A LOT of headroom for a 20W amp! ) I got the OD1 & Lead ch going nicely as well, although it doesn't get super gainy! NOTHING like an em pedal/board! Was a tad too loud for the bedroom! My PV C20 is better at lower volumes than the Hayden! I tried the Hayden on 5W, and it sounded terrible! Those 'attenuators' built into some of those amps really do NOT reproduce the full power sound at all! The C20 the same, sounds crap. The ONLY 1 that is alm transparent IS the 1 in the H&K amps! I have a TM & the sound is alm the same at all power settings! Rock on!
@@DMSProduktions Oh, I remember those Hayden Mini MoFos from way back... they were supposed to be pretty decent, although I never tried one. You should make some more videos of your setup, I'd love to hear some of these in action! And yeah, the H&K power soak is really good. I always used them on 1 watt whenever I had them. Now of course you don't need a power soak with the Black Spirit, but the power modes on that all sound great too. The AMP1 has a very similar power soak, but again not really a necessary feature!
@@RichWordsMusic Yeah, the H&K prob had the BEST tech. The Hayden I have is not the Mofo series! The Mofos were high gain, this amp isn't really! But it DOES sound good,thru better speakers! It is a bit noisy with hiss, so I'm thinking the output valves might not be too good any more! It has the original valves in it that I bought it with!
@@DMSProduktions Oh wow, might be worth swapping them out, getting some new glass in there! Could make a significant difference. Or it might do nothing... one never knows with valves ;)
👍🏻👍🏻Were you using the USB input for the Line 6 and the audio interface for your amp? That was a visual clue, but I still picked which was which, huge difference. NU>X MG-30 might be a nice comparison.
Yes, I was - you guys are just too smart for me ;) I should've had both cables plugged in for both rigs, really. But yes, it's a big difference! I would love to try the MG-30 too - hopefully one day.
A good example of modellers being more about practicality and cost effectiveness. It sounds good, but it still doesn't have the depth and "edges" of a specialised rig - even a relatively cheap one. Also, no shaky cam at 14:22?? Boooo.
Yes, that's a pretty good summary of this video really - and indeed of what the Pod Go and other similar modelers offer. I guess it depends on what you want and need from them as a player. And funny that you mention the shaky cam! I put that in last time just for fun and was wondering if anyone would spot it... seems like you did 😊 If that riff ever comes back I'll make sure to go all wobbly again!
Right away I can tell rig A is the POD and A is the H&K. And I blame the stock IR's from the POD. I still don't get why they are, well, so bad. It's to the point I can't judge the sounds properly. I know the FX on the POD are good but their IR's just don't help. I hope someday they change those IR's for good ones.
Yeah, you got it! And yep, that's what I keep hearing too... that I'm gonna have to buy IRs to get the most out of the Pod Go (apparently it's the same with the Helix too). I will be trying it, but I don't want to believe it's true ;) I don't think offering better options as stock would be a problem, nor would they lose out from doing that. But yeah, will be trying some other IRs soon! Any you would recommend?
Yep, it's not like one is much better - it's just two different sounds at this point! And we all will simply choose the one that sounds better to our own ears (although I agree with you and prefer Rig A!).
@@RichWordsMusic I have about a $9000 pedalboard of strymons and empress and lehle and all that, also got an FM3. The FM3 trounced it in many ways but in the end I sold the FM3 and just use my pedals and tube amp. At least the pedals have different things ogin oninternally that in some way trasnalates to the idea of "mojo." Though the FM3 was very very incredible...
This is a difficult choice, the pod go has so much choice, the analog pedals are more straight forward to manage, pros and cons for both. I liked Rig B, Rig A sounded to bright to my ears.
Yep, it's a tough choice for me as well. I love the various options and the practicality of the Pod Go... but that also comes with complexity and you have to tweak it a lot. Analog pedals are easy, and my analog rig (to my ears!) simply sounds better. And in this video, Rig B is the 'real' amp :) I am edging towards the idea that instead of a Pod Go, I should actually get a Helix Stomp or an HX Effects to use for all the digital effects - and I could plug that into my analog amp and still use my analog drive pedals. This could be the best of both worlds...
And here's those timestamps for everyone on phones:
00:00 Hello!
00:12 Intro and what we’re doing today
01:50 The amp and pedals I’m using
Clean Sounds
04:02 Reference chords on all pickups
04:39 Open indie pop chords
05:06 Indie pop arpeggios
05:24 Ascending droning indie rock chords
05:52 Strokes inspired chord progression
Clean Sounds with ambient delay/reverb
06:32 Atmospheric indie soundscapes
08:06 Bloc Party inspired riffs
Crunch Sounds
08:49 Indie rock rhythm chords riff
09:18 Indie octave chords
09:47 Indie rock barre chords
10:12 Kings Of Leon inspired riff
10:41 Droning indie rock riff
11:06 Edgy indie barre chords
11:35 Indie rock octave chords riff
Garage rock sounds
12:00 Hives inspired garage rock riff
12:16 Black Keys inspired chords
12:46 Country rock ballad arpeggios
13:13 Groovy garage rock progression
13:48 White Stripes inspired riff with octave pedal
14:01 Wolfmother inspired garage rock riff with octave pedal
14:17 High gain indie post rock riff with ambient delay/reverb
14:49 Which rig was the Pod Go?
15:30 How does the Pod Go compare to the amp and pedals?
16:28 Where the amp wins over the Pod Go
17:07 Where the Pod Go wins: ambient FX
17:56 Pod Go limitations: number of FX per preset
18:14 Pod Go limitations: DSP power
19:14 My conclusions: how good is the Pod Go for indie rock?
19:43 Final thoughts and goodbye
I thing Pod Go got a warmer sound in comparison to the Rig B. Rig B, however, have more presence, but sounds a bit thin to my ears. In the most of the time I preferred Pod Go, except in the clean sounds in which the Rig B got a better top end.
Interesting, so for this video you preferred the Pod Go! I am getting better at dialing it in, but hey, I guess it also changes based on what's being played, etc. For me, my opinion can change a lot on what I prefer. Hopefully I can get the Pod Go sounding even better in the future!
@@RichWordsMusic Totally agreed!
Rig A was the pod.
Ok back to the rest of the vid to see how wrong I was
18:24 oooh I hate that DSP OVER warning 😖
I was right, I know pod sounds!!
Love that shirt Sir.
Worship music seems like a perfect fit for the pod go… or garage MetaaaaaaaaaL.
You got it right! I actually think it's not that hard to tell if you know your stuff. As you clearly do, from fashion sense to shredding tips! And yes, pretty much every time I search for Pod Go stuff when I need to know something, there's a friendly worship channel out there to show me the way ;) The way to using the Pod Go, that is, not THE way.
@@RichWordsMusic will modelers totally replace amps… unlikely
@@PooNinja Someone should make merch out of that.
My guess was rig A was the pod…. The big tell for me was how even the output and smooth the tone with the pod, and how you were able to get more bite and sharpness out of the pedals. I have a Humbucker in the neck and a single coil in the bridge of a 24.75” scale single cut (kinda like a Fano Teli/LP) and I play with a Boss ME 70 so it sounded very familiar to my ears. With drive both rigs seemed closer to each other, but on the clean side were easier to tell apart. Im actually relieved since I love the simplicity of a single unit and I preferred the tones of rig A.
In the ultimate shootout could you get better ambient cleans out of more boutique pedals?
Yeah, you got it. I actually don't have that much experience with modelers so it's interesting to hear how you recognized it, and how it shares some similarities with the ME 70. I do feel like the more FX you put on the tones, the closer they are in terms of sound quality. And of course once you're in a mix or a band setting no one's telling the difference anyway. But yes, for an ultimate test I could use more expensive pedals... for this video I at least tried to keep the amp/pedals' price down as close to the Pod Go as I could! I have the Empress Echo System as well and that'd match the Line 6 in terms of delays way better... but that delay on its own costs as much as the Pod Go!
I liked b on the cleaner side a on the heavier. Which tone did you dial in first? Thanks for making the blind a/b tests.
Iiiiii think Rig B is the Black Spirit because I know that amp's cab models pretty well and that sounds like BS200 cab to me :P
To be fair, I think the POD/Rig A might sit in a recorded mix better, more prominent midrange and less woof on the bottom.
You sure know your stuff! The Red Box is the giveaway as usual. But you're actually right about the Pod Go, I reckon it'll be ace in mixes too... something I need to try soon!
Yeah, I picked it pretty easily that A was th Pod, & B the amp! DON'T forget, I too own an H&K amp, and instantly recognised that chimey, Voxish clean channel immediately! The Pod was more flat response in the mids, whereas the H&K was more scooped on the clean channels!
Yep, no surprises that you got this straight away. H&K just has that sheen on the cleans!
@@RichWordsMusic Yep!
Funnily enough Rich, I pulled out my my Hayden HGT 20 combo & had a play!
On its own, it's pretty average sounding, 'budget' valve amp! The stock, Hayden branded speaker is utter garbage! HAD they used a better speaker, they WOULD have sold more of these!
Tonight was the 1st time I actually ran it thru my V2X12 speaker, loaded with 2, 75W AU made, LORANTZ guitar speakers, kind of modelled on vint GB's but not as 'nasally'!
I had prev tried it on my 1X12 with a similar speaker, & it sounded pretty good! With the 2X12, it was even BETTER!
Once I cranked the clean channel to about 7, oh WOW, the chime that came out, with just a hint of hair to it! With the internal speaker, it would distort @ 4-5 on the volume! Speaker break up, & it's bollocks!
With the 2X12 able to handle up to 150W, it stays clean AS, to alm full volume. (A LOT of headroom for a 20W amp! )
I got the OD1 & Lead ch going nicely as well, although it doesn't get super gainy!
NOTHING like an em pedal/board!
Was a tad too loud for the bedroom! My PV C20 is better at lower volumes than the Hayden! I tried the Hayden on 5W, and it sounded terrible! Those 'attenuators' built into some of those amps really do NOT reproduce the full power sound at all!
The C20 the same, sounds crap.
The ONLY 1 that is alm transparent IS the 1 in the H&K amps! I have a TM & the sound is alm the same at all power settings!
Rock on!
@@DMSProduktions Oh, I remember those Hayden Mini MoFos from way back... they were supposed to be pretty decent, although I never tried one. You should make some more videos of your setup, I'd love to hear some of these in action!
And yeah, the H&K power soak is really good. I always used them on 1 watt whenever I had them. Now of course you don't need a power soak with the Black Spirit, but the power modes on that all sound great too. The AMP1 has a very similar power soak, but again not really a necessary feature!
@@RichWordsMusic Yeah, the H&K prob had the BEST tech.
The Hayden I have is not the Mofo series!
The Mofos were high gain, this amp isn't really! But it DOES sound good,thru better speakers!
It is a bit noisy with hiss, so I'm thinking the output valves might not be too good any more! It has the original valves in it that I bought it with!
@@DMSProduktions Oh wow, might be worth swapping them out, getting some new glass in there! Could make a significant difference. Or it might do nothing... one never knows with valves ;)
👍🏻👍🏻Were you using the USB input for the Line 6 and the audio interface for your amp? That was a visual clue, but I still picked which was which, huge difference. NU>X MG-30 might be a nice comparison.
Yes, I was - you guys are just too smart for me ;) I should've had both cables plugged in for both rigs, really. But yes, it's a big difference! I would love to try the MG-30 too - hopefully one day.
I don't know which is which, but i like Rig B better already
You know your tones though, innit ;)
A good example of modellers being more about practicality and cost effectiveness. It sounds good, but it still doesn't have the depth and "edges" of a specialised rig - even a relatively cheap one.
Also, no shaky cam at 14:22?? Boooo.
Yes, that's a pretty good summary of this video really - and indeed of what the Pod Go and other similar modelers offer. I guess it depends on what you want and need from them as a player.
And funny that you mention the shaky cam! I put that in last time just for fun and was wondering if anyone would spot it... seems like you did 😊 If that riff ever comes back I'll make sure to go all wobbly again!
Right away I can tell rig A is the POD and A is the H&K. And I blame the stock IR's from the POD. I still don't get why they are, well, so bad. It's to the point I can't judge the sounds properly. I know the FX on the POD are good but their IR's just don't help. I hope someday they change those IR's for good ones.
Yeah, you got it! And yep, that's what I keep hearing too... that I'm gonna have to buy IRs to get the most out of the Pod Go (apparently it's the same with the Helix too). I will be trying it, but I don't want to believe it's true ;) I don't think offering better options as stock would be a problem, nor would they lose out from doing that. But yeah, will be trying some other IRs soon! Any you would recommend?
For what I've heard, York Audio and Lancaster Audio have the best IR's around. Might be worth a look.
@@LuisVasquezMusic Yep, York Audio is one that keeps getting mentioned to me, will try those for sure.
Most of the time Rig A sounds better, its a matter of taste and nothing else at this point.
Yep, it's not like one is much better - it's just two different sounds at this point! And we all will simply choose the one that sounds better to our own ears (although I agree with you and prefer Rig A!).
@@RichWordsMusic I have about a $9000 pedalboard of strymons and empress and lehle and all that, also got an FM3. The FM3 trounced it in many ways but in the end I sold the FM3 and just use my pedals and tube amp. At least the pedals have different things ogin oninternally that in some way trasnalates to the idea of "mojo." Though the FM3 was very very incredible...
This is a difficult choice, the pod go has so much choice, the analog pedals are more straight forward to manage, pros and cons for both. I liked Rig B, Rig A sounded to bright to my ears.
Yep, it's a tough choice for me as well. I love the various options and the practicality of the Pod Go... but that also comes with complexity and you have to tweak it a lot. Analog pedals are easy, and my analog rig (to my ears!) simply sounds better. And in this video, Rig B is the 'real' amp :)
I am edging towards the idea that instead of a Pod Go, I should actually get a Helix Stomp or an HX Effects to use for all the digital effects - and I could plug that into my analog amp and still use my analog drive pedals. This could be the best of both worlds...
Ring A (pod) is muddy
I agree, but I also think with a bit more practice I'll be able to dial that out a bit.
@@RichWordsMusic I hope so ;-)
@@gobeco Ha ha, me too ;)
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You win! Nice to see you round these parts man.
Marc is late!!!
@@PooNinja Yeah, we need to check up on him again!
A (Pod Go) sounds better for this setup
It's very close at some points! The Pod Go is amazing value for money, that's for sure.