Great video btw, another video should be Kung Fu vs Gun Fu. Since Keanu Reeves did both in The Matrix and John Wick. Jokes aside, which is harder melee vs ranged weapon martial arts. Archery and Gunmanship to name a few or Hojutsu from the Japanese as an example of ranged weapon martial arts.
If you ever come up to Canada I would love to show one of you guys the way I fight. I used to teach very Traditional Matsubayashi Ryu at 15 as Sensei's Senpai. I also come from a street fighting background in a town where people used to scrap for fun. I was constantly attacked by my older larger brother so I know how to properly apply Shorin Ryu to full effect and my brothers dirty street fighting techniques. I had to quit teaching at 19 because I almost killed him when I finally lost control over his bullying. I once gave a guy a Rock Bottom to the concrete while bouncing one night. He kicked my bouncer partner in the chest breaking his ribs.
@@user-yd3uh4pz5e A poorly executed choke can still hurt even if you tap. I've had newbies almost injure my larynx because they put their forearm bone right across my throat rather than their bicep and forearm blocking off my carotids. I still agree, though. Striking hurts more often. Just that grappling injuries, when they happen are a lot worse for the body, even though not as much for the head.
If possible then you should come to India and try some Indian mud wrestling and training techniques I am sure you will love it,and also down south in Kerala India there is a oldest traditional Martial art called kalaripayattu, you try that too
Facts because long term damage and harder opponents first fights are easy and then they get harder theres a lot of skill that pepole don’t notice it boxing to
I am a light person who has done both for 5 years now and grappling is just way harder for me. In striking i dont constantly have to deal with someones full body weight the entire time, i can literally just back away
What?😂 I think the total opposite.. Most boxing and muay Thai gyms are much more hard nose and train much harder.. There’s hardly any conditioning in most Jiu jitsu classes compared to a real boxing gym.. Bjj harder to learn as a beginner though cause the movements are less natural in my opinion so harder to drill into muscle memory.
@@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200 I get what you mean about bjj, that art is full of middle aged men with desk jobs and limited time, so the conditioning isn't the highest. Obviously it all depends on the specific gym you train at, I'm sure some BJJ gyms are realyl tough, others super relaxed, same with boxing. But bjj isn't the only grappling. Go to a serious wrestling or judo gym... Even the average high school wrestling practice beats the average boxing or kickboxing gym in terms of difficulty IMO
@@yagottapaythetrolltoll3127 A lot of people say that Im not American so havent been exposed to American wrestling culture but I've heard they're very disciplined, Ive trained at Mma submission grappling gyms and they had some wrestlers, they had a more tough culture than traditional gi Bjj gyms ive been in
I think the problem is that they have very different curves. Striking at the beginning feels way easier, you’re pretty much standing up, and with some basics you can do okay, but progress is steeper the further you go. Grappling is way harder at first, you’re *drowning* in new stuff, postures, positions, traps,… but once you get over the initial hump, the progress is much more linear. Switching to grappling also has the added benefit of not having to explain the boss why I have swollen lip before a meeting 😂
I think it also comes down to striking being more talent dependent compared to grappling. I think with atleast bjj everyone can become pretty decent, but with striking you need some attributes to be really good.
I feel like this is a parallel similar to music and musical instruments. Vocals, for example, are something anyone can start learning how to do, but to get good at singing takes a long time and a lot of effort. Playing something like piano or guitar can feel very difficult at first because you are just trying to build basic dexterity with your hands, learn good posture, as well as trying to absorb concepts like chords, intervals, etc, all at the same time. But once you get more comfortable with the basics, the progression is easier and you can start playing casually.
Additionally, I think it was maybe a bit one sided to only compare BJJ to Striking, because BJJ is known in the big Grappling Community to be easier for the body (people over 40 are invited to do BJJ with the advantage to not hurt yourself so much) then other Grappling Arts like Freestyle Wrestling, Judo, Sambo and so on
I agree. Stinking offense is simple but defense requires insane reaction time. For BJJ lower belts are all about learning how to survive, and it's not until higher levels you actually get good at setting traps and attacking subs.
Striking only really hurts a lot... when you have not developed a Hardened Body. If you do regular Iron Body conditioning... you can take twice the impact potentials.. and feel a quarter of the potential pain sensations. The denser your bone and tissues are... the less damages and pain, you will take. And with the highest level techniques (soft / internal arts methods), you learn how to intercept / defect the OPs attacks, without suffering any Impact damages. Though, its always still advisable, to have fully conditioned yourself... least the OP manage to get a solid impact on you. And as the other poster responded... Standup / Striking... can be just as complicated, if not more so. This often depends on what art you are training in. Kickboxing, is far easier to master than Wing Chun... for example. WC has like 100 times the amount of Tools that have to be developed, and mastered. And since its rare that anyone today ever fully masters anything at all... most are bad at it, as a result.
I agree. I started grappling at a fairly young age, and it's always felt easier than striker. I think it just comes down to the fact that I didn't train any striking until later in my training. Both are very difficult in their own ways
@@EgoCZ grappling has more positions and in each position lots of takedowns controls escapes submisions and set ups wich also go into deep detail, dont saying striking isnt hard to learn but with grappling you have to learn more , but for a fact bjj is the hardest to get you black belt in eventhough not every sport has a beltsystem😅
@@ThePries Exactly !!! I started striking early and was lucky to win a Golden Gloves Boxing Championship. As to grappling I have a brown belt in judo. I think BJJ is the most difficult of all the arts I’ve trained. (To @EgoCZ’s point above) it is fun, and tapping is much more fun than getting my brain rattled.
Answer is: Yes. Training both is extremely helpful especially if you find an art in each which is open to incorporating the best of others in its space and not rigidly held to its “foundations” beyond the beginner level. I find that MT and Judo go extremely well, with the fun nuance that because of the MT stance (orthodox) I am opposite in Judo (kenka yotsu) which is hard to learn when the instructor insists I’m not left handed 😅. MT is great to start since it covers all lead in distances up to the grips/clinch then Judo starts from there for the takedown and submission.
I had a better, more innate understanding of striking earlier on in my martial arts/combat sports journey, but I've grown to really love the intricacies of grappling. All I know for sure is that striking was my first love, but getting better at grappling has been extremely gratifying as I've gotten older.
Its crazy to me that Seth doesn't have more subscribers with amount of work and passion he puts into his content. If you are a fan of martial arts, you should be subscribed to Seth because he gives all martial arts their fair representation
@@abcdefgcdefg5178 I'm sure this is a real comment, but it's such a common comment on so many videos that it makes it seem like you're a bot, ESPECIALLY with that name lol.
I think it's personal preference and what you're built for. Grappling comes naturally to me even though I spent most of my time striking. I also have an easy time gaining strength, but a harder time building cardiovascular endurance.
I’ve practiced several different arts, but I think the hardest on the body was probably Judo. When I was a teenager, my Judo club moved from the rec centre to a warehouse in the industrial section of town. The straw tatami mats on top of those cement floors made the surface we were falling on roughly equivalent to being thrown with force onto kitchen tile. One of my fellow students’ moms was a paediatrician. She saw this and pulled him from the class. I also remember seeing very serious injuries in competition, like when one of my friends was drop-seo-nage’d onto his head and suffered pinched vertebrae and a concussion.
As a wrestler seeing jiu jitsu as the representative for grappling in this discussion of difficulty is a bit annoying. Besides maybe aikido, jiu jitsu has got to be the chillest, least cardio-intensive popular grappling art. I can not imagine getting thrown hard onto something like that, I would honestly leave that gym Judo gyms need to work on their safety tbh, maybe it would be more popular in the US if they didn't do stupid things like not even use mats when people are getting violently thrown
@@yagottapaythetrolltoll3127Jiu jitsu is about using the least amount to subdue an opponent/attacker. In comparison to something like wrestling that’s meant to impose one’s own will and action on their opponent. I just see it as a game. How easily can I control and submit. Or long can I play before I’m in a bad spot.
@@yagottapaythetrolltoll3127I’ve never heard of a judo club that didnt have mats… all clubs would benefit from spring mats though. The sport itself is a lot of high impact throws , low impact throws like footsweeps aren’t really tough on your body. But if you consider plenty of older adults try judo vs wrestling (where younger kids can handle the impact easier) the injury rate makes sense. BJJ was never a physically difficult sport for me, but I started when I was in my early 20s and in shape. A 40 something year old in the US usually won’t go to wrestling because wrestling classes aren’t common..but they might try judo and get injured there. Also the competitive nature of judo leads to some future Olympians training hard as hell. Any Olympian has multiple major injuries more or less. I won’t deny judo has injuries but the mats is not the main reason. Judo teaches throws far safer than bjj gyms do IMO which only makes sense.
Your definition of your grappling is spot on. I too feel like I’m naturally an okay wrestler. But technically I feel like a baby reading the dictionary.
Injury-wise, the ones from training striking were mostly bruises for me. Wrestling however almost dislocated my left shoulder. Looking at it from that angle, I'd say grappling is harder.
For me personally I think striking is more easier to learn than grappling because it’s kinda easy to practice basic striking techniques all you need is a bag /shadow boxing. But for grappling all you can do is practice falling down, moving around the floor and get back up. You need someone else or a dummy to practice on. But what really important is which style you enjoy more because if you like it you pick it up better.
Both disciplines can be very complex, both can lead to injury. Both require strenuous physical exertion and mental toughness. So I guess I would say the most difficult thing to do is the thing that comes least naturally. Great video Seth!
Grappling is way harder if you have a relatively thin frame, and striking is harder if you have a relatively bulky frame but this also comes with natural power so i’d say overall grappling is harder
It’s really depends on what you don’t like. If you don’t like getting hit striking in harder. If you don’t like the closeness and pressure of someone else grappling is harder
They are both difficult in different ways. Striking is hard in that the pace can be difficult to match when sparring or otherwise. No control of breathing while striking or defending will leave you gassed. In grappling, it's not so much pace as much as enduring the grind. Going muscularity and bodily structure can leave you fatigued from the constance of limbs application to strain and relax. (Muscle cramps can occur 😂) Overall: grappling is harder to learn as the techniques require a variety of control and understanding as well as the counters that can also accompany those techniques. Now, to be fair, depending on the type of striking (traditional m.a. vs boxing and kickboxing) there will be a variety of factors that can be harder to learn... but ultimately, with drilling and training, you can gain foot work and head move (which were difficult for me at first and still) Note: that was a lot. I train Karate and kick boxing (14 years) and BJJ (9 years)
I think I'd say I disagree with grappling being harder to learn because I'd say the sheer number of submissions in jiujitsu or takedowns in wrestling can be difficult to wrap your head around but over time you can kind of get it when it all clicks for you but it's really hard to perfect your striking as well. But also it probably depends on the individual.
@@HaroldBluetooth-uz1zz and you think people just absolutely master striking at some point or what? There's an infinite amount of learning to be done in striking as well, it just gets very complex very quickly.
@@RenzDavis At the pro level I would argue boxing is more difficult than wrestling; the cardio required is higher to make it through all those rounds. As a casual martial artist in both I would say grappling is easier for the same reason. At the serious-semi serious level? That’s harder for me to determine.
Toughest is wrestling at least for training. In general. But as always it depends. I train BJJ, Judo, Wrestling and some MMA. They all can feel the hardest at times.
Grappling is definitely more complex, so many positions and moves... But I will say, I've never been scared to wrestle someone (if they are a lot bigger/better they'll control me and submit me, whatever), but getting into a striking match with someone much bigger is terrifying, because you know that even their light punches can hurt you a lot
Very strong beginners are the most dangerous for lighter people. Getting thrown on your head is not uncommon because they can just pick you up and toss you but have 0 control on the landing.
Exactly this, its telling that most people have never hard sparred someone better than them in striking. Wrestle the best guy in the class he taps you out in 30s. Big whoop. Strike against the best guy in the class you've got 3minutes of straight punishment, and that's only 1 round. And there's no tapping. Had rounds where I've been hit 50+ times (training against former pro for example). Uncomparable to losing a grappling spar..
one thing im sure is its harder to get better at grappling in the beginning since a a lot of moves are situation specific and more complicated hence harder to remember
I think there is a mirror to their learning bell curves. With striking, most people know how to throw a basic punch, it dosnt take much to pick up the basics of kick boxing. Once your acquainted with the meta its a long road to having obvious dominance over beginners. The reverse is true with grappling, where not many people can move well on the ground, a small amount of time in grappling can show great dominance over beginners
Is grappling harder or striking harder? This is a good question to explore. You broke it down for us so well. Listening to others opinions and voicing your own in the struggle and process. It is for me as you mentioned is doing or trying something new and different. Many people like to argue this style is better than your style or no style is better than any other Martial Art debates. The thing is have these people spent time trying the thing they are putting down? I have much respect and love for it all. Especially my traditional style TKD. 😊
Grappling is full of knowledge checks. Everything is specific and technically situational, but once you learn how to connect one thing into another, it gets easier to apply higher order thinking to, which makes it easier as a whole. It's like learning a keyboard layout Striking is the better and worse part of simple. Simple means you can pick it up. It also means everything comes down to small changes. It also means everything is intuitive, until it's not. The higher level you want to operate at, the less intuitive it is. It's like swimming, or water polo. Unintuitive but easier learning curve vs Intuitive with a thought-based (read: hard) learning curve.
Little editing tip. If you're dealing with audio that is panned to only one side (like in the short video where the boxer who started incorporating grappling into his training) then convert it to a mono signal instead of a stereo signal. If you only have one microphone, in other words a mono signal (mono means one) but it is played in a stereo signal (two speakers, a pair of headphones) then it will automatically be panned to the left. However if it is converted into a mono signal then the audio is playing the same level in both speakers and is perceived like it would be placed in the middle. Great video btw!
One being harder than the other is…. Both have unique difficulties that different people will find easier or harder to accommodate. One thing I will say is that it is easier to train safely at near full intensity in grappling than striking…. At least in sparring. But you can practise strikes solo more easily than you can grappling. I will also say that I find it way easier to “rest” when I grapple than in striking. A good defensive posture and you can grab a few moments. Much like Seth talks about.
Wow you did very very good on scaling Grappling and Striking, this video is very cool, and it's fun to watch, very informative, you have done a perfect survey bro
Great video! I think a big reason for longer rounds in grappling (generally 5 minutes in IBJJF or MMA which includes grappling) vs striking ( mostly 3 minutes in boxing/kickboxing/muay thai) is that they want to encourage a faster pace in striking and that in grappling you might need more time in order to develop positions. Although I have found I feel about as tired at the end of a 3 minute striking sparring round as a do a 5 minute jiu-jitsu roll.
You definitely got a new subscriber! I’ve training Muay Thai for about 2 years. I love it! I tired BJJ, it was harder for me to train and get into it as well. Striking may be easier to get into butttt it’s definitely more injury prone than grappling.
Hey Seth, I just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you put into your videos. You inspire me to train harder to be the best martial artist I can be. I just recently got one of your shirts, and when I wear it to grapple in Bjj I swear it helps me become better. Maybe you should advertise that as a feature of your merch lol. Keep being awesome and God Bless.
15:25 I'm a parkour coach who's also transitioning into self defense coaching and I found THIS bit the most interesting: 15:25 It's the one about different breathing rhythms between striking and grappling and transitioning between them. And, granted, this video has A TON of interesting tidbits to martial arts coaches, in my humble opinion! This was just the best Also, I was going to say there's no way Seth reached 200bpm but I remembered that he's young, like mid20's, right?
Im 28. done striking my whole life and grappling for about 10 years. I get fatigued quicker grappling than i do striking. But when I ask my wrestling team and Judo team (national level) friends who also do Mma, they say they get tired quicker in striking. I think what your body grew up doing will be less demanding. Thats a big factor imo.
Tony Jeffries is such a natural UA-camr. Ive watched a lot of his videos and when he stopped talking in this vid I was like "ahhh man" 😂 no offense Seth love ur vids too 😅
I've trained in a similar gym to the one in the video where they've got a grappling building and a striking building. I also did both styles and knew other people who did both. All I can say is that when the striking gym wants to get you tired, they make you do burpees. When the grappling gym wants to get you tired, they have you grapple.
My simple take (because im lazy to type too much) is that it's easier to plateau for striking. Grappling, you can always add on more techniques and knowledge of positions or whatever to your arsenal.
Great video, the comparison was very cool but Dude.... ya gotta fix the audio before you post it. Some of Tony was fully left channel. I know you also watch videos with only one ear bud in sometimes (react) so I know you've run into this from other people and you know it's annoying. You're doing a great job love this and the other channel. Keep it up and keep the quality high. Rooting for you at worlds and can't wait to see that video!
I did 6 months boxing and now grappling since 4 months. Before Boxing sparring i sh*t my pants a lot more than before grappling sparring, while the injuries in grappling were and are more intense.
I feel like from a pure cardio standpoint striking is more difficult because of the constant movement, but I feel like I wear my muscles out quicker grappling because you’re having to work against and in some cases hold up someone’s body weight which from my (limited) experience it saps your strength before you even realize it.
i think people neglect personal ability, my most trained martial art is kickboxing however, when I started training and playing with my ground game ,I found I was really good at it naturally without much training, call it what you want talent or confidence even as I started this journey I was able to spar with people with experience, i was using my body weight, understanding of my body positions and opp, all without exp, also learning subs and strategies felt easy and right hard to explain. I think some people are naturally better at striking others, grappling everyone is different or it could false confidence , Idk am still new in the ground game and love rolling
Great topic and great video! It’s very interesting to see how different everyone views the matter!! For me it’s striking, but it’s probably because I’m only 6 months in.
Which is harder depends on your body type. If you're light, and quick, you'll prefer striking. If you're big, and strong, you'll be better at grappling.
I think there are many other factors to consider in which one is more difficult. - Are you bigger/heavier or smaller/lighter? (Still could be either depending on the person). - How's your reaction time? - Do you have good hand eye coordination? - Are you more experienced in 1 of the 2? (Having experience in something makes it easier. It can also make it harder to change your habits and do the opposite). - Which one is more fun for you? (This also affects how much time and dedication you will put in). Others to consider: - Do you have a full-time job, and what are your hours? (This can effect what places are open at what times. Some people might not have a choice, depending on their work schedule. Or you may have to think about which one will use less of your energy, so you can go to work tomorrow). - Do you feel comfortable being close to people for a long time? (If not, just go with striking). - Are you afraid of getting hit? (In that case, grappling). - Are you worried you might hurt someone? (Then I guess jogging and running might be better, or parkour if you're athletic and you really like martial arts movies). And finally: - Are you a White Belt, or never tried martial arts before? (Just try anything you feel like would be fun. You can then decide more confidently if you want to try something else, or stick to what you're currently training). - Are you a Black Belt? (Then why are you still only training what you're already good at? At this point, you should start training in both striking and grappling). If @SenseiSeth taught us anything on youtube, it is to try new things and have fun. Experiment with different things, don't be afraid of embarrassing yourself, and just have fun doing what you enjoy.
Think it's worth mentioning that the endurance difference in the two sports are quite noticeable due to how they use their bodies. In striking, what mainly tires you out (outside of pain from impact) is due to cardiovascular, you're constantly moving at high speeds and throwing shots varying between 70-100% of your effort. That doesn't make grappling necessarily less tiring, it's not that black and white, what makes grappling tiring is muscle endurance, grappling forces you to consistently be holding static positions. If you've ever tried a proper Ma bu (horse stance) or similar static exercises, you'll know what I'm talking about. Despite your heartrate not going up like Muay thai, there's still lots of endurance needing to be trained, fighting the lactic acid buildup also creates a ton of mental fatigue. For reference I do Muay Thai, have tried a bit of grappling here and there but our grueling clinch sessions is what really reminds me of the different types of tiredness that the two genres bring upon you. For me I can handle the cardiovascular much better than long grappling sessions, it's a different type of conditioning.
we can think about it like this, not many new techniques are new in striking but every few years there's a new thing in grappling. Striking for me was easier and it was new to me but I was also a wrestler for 7 years, even so, the sheer amount of submissions in BJJ makes it much more difficult in my opinion.
Its a question with multiple variables that keep this from being a clear answer. Even people that give definite answers about, which style is more taxing, which style is easier to pick up, it depends. And thats whats cool.
What you train as a kid you develop more learning ability as an adult ... So if you train striking as a kid, as an adult you will be better at striking martial arts if you train then again, you can train taekwondo as an kid and Muay Thai and BJJ as an adult, Muay Thai will be easeyer for you, and of it goes the other way around if you train Judo as a kid, you will be better at BJJ then Muay Thai as an adult.
Trained at a gym primarily for professional boxers but included a grab bag of other disciplines. When I noticed all the veteran boxers were transitioning to MMA, I asked why. Pretty much universally, they all answered that grappling is "easier" (meaning physically, since they were getting older). I believed them since they also said they made less money in MMA than boxing.
I wonder,is there a third way to grappling and striking? People use wrestling to refer to the takedown part,but still grappling involves. Unless we want to consider the butting of bodies a martial art itself. African tribes used to practice headbutting duels,rushing at each other, before stopping and throwing themselves in a precise headlong tackle. Asian wrestling styles seem to have a butting vision too, a chinese ancient form of wrestling was called horn butting,and tackling without going for a takedown was seen as a more practical form. Striking with the torso is a complete skill in TCMA, mongolians are associated with shoulder tackle in japanese media. And of course,the sumotori pushes with his torso likened to a boulder. But it still feel like a variant of striking to me, like wrestling to grappling,tackling to striking. I have seen groundfighting named a class by itself,but it tends to be still grappling, does something like "ground striking" exist? Weaponry i do not consider,it is just another variable,it is not a pure approach,you would still use for striking or grapple. If we really wanna feel esoteric, you can see dancing or movement as a third branch,justifying parkour and ballet. Looking at capoeira and african styles,it may not be so stupid of an idea.
Their is more down time in striking, but its also harder to get into because of that fear in your mind. Grappling is easier to get into but its downtime is "non existent"(Not saying you cant stop in middle of grappling but its gonna be like Go Go GO stop Go GO Go, vs striking Go Stop Go Stop).
It definitely depends on the person. Some people are more attuned to either striking or grappling usually, and that's usually why they choose either or.
Grappling is much easier on your body to train as you can really slow things down till you need to speed them back up. Try the same thing with striking and you won't learn much going that slow except at the very start, and more importantly it's always going to be harder overall on your cardiovascular system as you aim for more explosive movements more often with less time to wait between those movements. I will say though obviously if you do both in the same couple of hours it will be nearly impossible to measure either separately in an authentic way. You'd have to make sure you're as fresh as possible for both separate days even, and it's so hard to control for variables.
As an ametuar with less than a year of both under my belt, I'd say grappling is harder to learn and master but striking is harder on your body and mind.
Boxing is very hard. Muay Thai is hard. Most striking that ain't boxing is easier. Grappling is overall safer, so most people will find it easier except if you fight overly aggressive guys that injure you for life with a leg lock or something.
I would disagree that grappling is safer, I've been training BJJ for 5 years and most of the older guys I know have chronic injuries from training, even if you spar lightly there's always a risk of possible injury from landing bad on takedown or just excessive pressure of someone being on top.
@@Meeko2689 i mean there is a reason why they put kids to do judo and bjj and they do well. It's not that hardcore. I'm guessing those injuries happen because of people that don't really spar light.
I would say that amount of damage you can give/get in one action is greater with striking but grappling is more beneficial when facing a physically stronger foe.
I'm starting with striking but the striking based system has clench work, throws and take downs.. Sanda Chinese kickboxing. Also we get some lessons on Thai kickboxing and western boxing, and even a small lesson in panatuken this past Saturday.. it's a nice mix. Eventually I will get on some wrestling techniques either combat submission wrestling or catch wrestling or both.
I teach both striking and grappling. I definitely think striking is harder. I can show my students grappling concepts and they get them down either immediately or quickly. Teaching them new things with striking takes them a lot of time.
My friend Hiroyuki Pavlovich (R.I.P) had 4th degree black belt in Kyokushin Karate & 2nd degree black belt in Judo. He always said that in terms of training & body damage Judo was way too harder but Karate could give traumatic shock because of head strikes. According to him conditioning of Kyokushin Karate & workout regiment of Judo are extremely grueling but also complimentary to each other.
Imho learning striking has much more steep learning curve and also condition yourself for kicks or bareknuckle strikes, but grappling is way more demanding in terms of physical fitness. Thats whz its nice to combine it.
As a newbie, grappling is harder to learn because it is not natural and simple as striking, especially about locking, chocking and positioning the body to increase leverage Striking you just need to know the basic techniques then you can use it right away, added more tactic, anticipation, and strategy and you can be good enough But when it comes to real life application, wrestling and grappling can be easy to use because not many people know how to counter take down, lock, choke, and submission But I agree what tony jeffrey said in competition striking is more harder, because you will get severe damage first and the match still going on
Space between you and your opponent and the variety of different styles makes it significantly harder after the first few years. Not even karate vs muaythai but even someone from the same sport would fight very differently
Mountain Biking! I've spent 20 years in striking and 6 in bjj. I thought we had the hardest workouts and training. I spent the summer Mountain Biking, holy hell.
I have done both at a very young age and i say the learning curve was the same for me. Now switching from grappling to wrestling was a mental jump cuz what positions was good in one sucked in the other
Am a kick boxer,tried grappling for one time and honestly striking training are nothing compared to grappling even in the normal drills Plus the sparring is way dangerous,striking injuries are bruises but grappling might destroy your shoulder,arms or knees for a long time cause of one mistake.
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Great video btw, another video should be Kung Fu vs Gun Fu. Since Keanu Reeves did both in The Matrix and John Wick. Jokes aside, which is harder melee vs ranged weapon martial arts. Archery and Gunmanship to name a few or Hojutsu from the Japanese as an example of ranged weapon martial arts.
If you ever come up to Canada I would love to show one of you guys the way I fight. I used to teach very Traditional Matsubayashi Ryu at 15 as Sensei's Senpai. I also come from a street fighting background in a town where people used to scrap for fun. I was constantly attacked by my older larger brother so I know how to properly apply Shorin Ryu to full effect and my brothers dirty street fighting techniques. I had to quit teaching at 19 because I almost killed him when I finally lost control over his bullying. I once gave a guy a Rock Bottom to the concrete while bouncing one night. He kicked my bouncer partner in the chest breaking his ribs.
Striking because punches to the face hurt more than getting choked lol
@@user-yd3uh4pz5e A poorly executed choke can still hurt even if you tap. I've had newbies almost injure my larynx because they put their forearm bone right across my throat rather than their bicep and forearm blocking off my carotids. I still agree, though. Striking hurts more often. Just that grappling injuries, when they happen are a lot worse for the body, even though not as much for the head.
If possible then you should come to India and try some Indian mud wrestling and training techniques I am sure you will love it,and also down south in Kerala India there is a oldest traditional Martial art called kalaripayattu, you try that too
As someone who does both Grappling is harder at the beginning and it gets easier but striking starts easier and gets harder
Great way to put it
Fr I do the same as well
Brilliant
Facts because long term damage and harder opponents first fights are easy and then they get harder theres a lot of skill that pepole don’t notice it boxing to
I am a light person who has done both for 5 years now and grappling is just way harder for me. In striking i dont constantly have to deal with someones full body weight the entire time, i can literally just back away
Harder to train is grappling, harder to compete or spar is definitely striking.
What?😂 I think the total opposite.. Most boxing and muay Thai gyms are much more hard nose and train much harder.. There’s hardly any conditioning in most Jiu jitsu classes compared to a real boxing gym.. Bjj harder to learn as a beginner though cause the movements are less natural in my opinion so harder to drill into muscle memory.
Takes 10 years to get black belt in bjj it's also harder to comepte in grappling
@@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200 I get what you mean about bjj, that art is full of middle aged men with desk jobs and limited time, so the conditioning isn't the highest. Obviously it all depends on the specific gym you train at, I'm sure some BJJ gyms are realyl tough, others super relaxed, same with boxing.
But bjj isn't the only grappling. Go to a serious wrestling or judo gym... Even the average high school wrestling practice beats the average boxing or kickboxing gym in terms of difficulty IMO
@@yagottapaythetrolltoll3127 A lot of people say that Im not American so havent been exposed to American wrestling culture but I've heard they're very disciplined, Ive trained at Mma submission grappling gyms and they had some wrestlers, they had a more tough culture than traditional gi Bjj gyms ive been in
@@yagottapaythetrolltoll3127 Im noy attacking BJJ by the way its very beautiful and a great art, just relating my own experience
Great video brother
Thanks Tony!
Tony legend 👊
Ay just watched your breathing video andit helped alot
I think the problem is that they have very different curves.
Striking at the beginning feels way easier, you’re pretty much standing up, and with some basics you can do okay, but progress is steeper the further you go.
Grappling is way harder at first, you’re *drowning* in new stuff, postures, positions, traps,… but once you get over the initial hump, the progress is much more linear.
Switching to grappling also has the added benefit of not having to explain the boss why I have swollen lip before a meeting 😂
I think it also comes down to striking being more talent dependent compared to grappling. I think with atleast bjj everyone can become pretty decent, but with striking you need some attributes to be really good.
@@rico14yeah, if you got a glass jaw you are just cooked in striking
I feel like this is a parallel similar to music and musical instruments. Vocals, for example, are something anyone can start learning how to do, but to get good at singing takes a long time and a lot of effort. Playing something like piano or guitar can feel very difficult at first because you are just trying to build basic dexterity with your hands, learn good posture, as well as trying to absorb concepts like chords, intervals, etc, all at the same time. But once you get more comfortable with the basics, the progression is easier and you can start playing casually.
You can still get a swollen lip sometimes 😂 I got a nasty knee to the lip while rolling..
@@badart3204 How do I know if I have a glass jaw or not?
I used to think that striking gets more injuries and switched to Judo. I never had so many injuries before
Additionally, I think it was maybe a bit one sided to only compare BJJ to Striking, because BJJ is known in the big Grappling Community to be easier for the body (people over 40 are invited to do BJJ with the advantage to not hurt yourself so much) then other Grappling Arts like Freestyle Wrestling, Judo, Sambo and so on
@@faylmusicsambo is practically MMA with different rules. The combat aspect is what unarmed combatants would be doing in street fights.
@@khalabib_stiopic No only Combat Sambo is practically MMA. If you do Sambo there is no striking at all.
Bjj is easy as shit on the body. Judo is harder than anything I’ve ever done although I suspect wrestling is harder.
I got injured 2 weeks in bjj after 6 months of muay thai
I would also say defensive grappling is way easier than offensive grappling, but for striking it’s the opposite.
I agree. Stinking offense is simple but defense requires insane reaction time.
For BJJ lower belts are all about learning how to survive, and it's not until higher levels you actually get good at setting traps and attacking subs.
Perfect way of putting it .
grappling has a quite a steep learning curve... striking learnning curve is more like a rollercoaster
Striking hurts way more. Grappling is far more complicated, and takes forever (at least for me) to learn
Great vid !!!
Thanks much
Saying grappling is more complicated is bold. A lot of details at high level.
Striking only really hurts a lot... when you have not developed a Hardened Body. If you do regular Iron Body conditioning... you can take twice the impact potentials.. and feel a quarter of the potential pain sensations. The denser your bone and tissues are... the less damages and pain, you will take. And with the highest level techniques (soft / internal arts methods), you learn how to intercept / defect the OPs attacks, without suffering any Impact damages. Though, its always still advisable, to have fully conditioned yourself... least the OP manage to get a solid impact on you.
And as the other poster responded... Standup / Striking... can be just as complicated, if not more so. This often depends on what art you are training in. Kickboxing, is far easier to master than Wing Chun... for example. WC has like 100 times the amount of Tools that have to be developed, and mastered. And since its rare that anyone today ever fully masters anything at all... most are bad at it, as a result.
I agree. I started grappling at a fairly young age, and it's always felt easier than striker. I think it just comes down to the fact that I didn't train any striking until later in my training. Both are very difficult in their own ways
@@EgoCZ grappling has more positions and in each position lots of takedowns controls escapes submisions and set ups wich also go into deep detail, dont saying striking isnt hard to learn but with grappling you have to learn more , but for a fact bjj is the hardest to get you black belt in eventhough not every sport has a beltsystem😅
@@ThePries
Exactly !!! I started striking early and was lucky to win a Golden Gloves Boxing Championship. As to grappling I have a brown belt in judo. I think BJJ is the most difficult of all the arts I’ve trained. (To @EgoCZ’s point above) it is fun, and tapping is much more fun than getting my brain rattled.
Answer is: Yes.
Training both is extremely helpful especially if you find an art in each which is open to incorporating the best of others in its space and not rigidly held to its “foundations” beyond the beginner level.
I find that MT and Judo go extremely well, with the fun nuance that because of the MT stance (orthodox) I am opposite in Judo (kenka yotsu) which is hard to learn when the instructor insists I’m not left handed 😅. MT is great to start since it covers all lead in distances up to the grips/clinch then Judo starts from there for the takedown and submission.
I had a better, more innate understanding of striking earlier on in my martial arts/combat sports journey, but I've grown to really love the intricacies of grappling. All I know for sure is that striking was my first love, but getting better at grappling has been extremely gratifying as I've gotten older.
Its crazy to me that Seth doesn't have more subscribers with amount of work and passion he puts into his content. If you are a fan of martial arts, you should be subscribed to Seth because he gives all martial arts their fair representation
I agree bit I see the same with many great content creators or artists
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@rbo7 nah, I'm not a bot lol, but I can do the robot 🤣
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I think it's personal preference and what you're built for. Grappling comes naturally to me even though I spent most of my time striking. I also have an easy time gaining strength, but a harder time building cardiovascular endurance.
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I’ve practiced several different arts, but I think the hardest on the body was probably Judo. When I was a teenager, my Judo club moved from the rec centre to a warehouse in the industrial section of town. The straw tatami mats on top of those cement floors made the surface we were falling on roughly equivalent to being thrown with force onto kitchen tile. One of my fellow students’ moms was a paediatrician. She saw this and pulled him from the class. I also remember seeing very serious injuries in competition, like when one of my friends was drop-seo-nage’d onto his head and suffered pinched vertebrae and a concussion.
As a wrestler seeing jiu jitsu as the representative for grappling in this discussion of difficulty is a bit annoying. Besides maybe aikido, jiu jitsu has got to be the chillest, least cardio-intensive popular grappling art.
I can not imagine getting thrown hard onto something like that, I would honestly leave that gym
Judo gyms need to work on their safety tbh, maybe it would be more popular in the US if they didn't do stupid things like not even use mats when people are getting violently thrown
@@yagottapaythetrolltoll3127Jiu jitsu is about using the least amount to subdue an opponent/attacker. In comparison to something like wrestling that’s meant to impose one’s own will and action on their opponent. I just see it as a game. How easily can I control and submit. Or long can I play before I’m in a bad spot.
@@yagottapaythetrolltoll3127I’ve never heard of a judo club that didnt have mats… all clubs would benefit from spring mats though. The sport itself is a lot of high impact throws , low impact throws like footsweeps aren’t really tough on your body. But if you consider plenty of older adults try judo vs wrestling (where younger kids can handle the impact easier) the injury rate makes sense. BJJ was never a physically difficult sport for me, but I started when I was in my early 20s and in shape. A 40 something year old in the US usually won’t go to wrestling because wrestling classes aren’t common..but they might try judo and get injured there.
Also the competitive nature of judo leads to some future Olympians training hard as hell. Any Olympian has multiple major injuries more or less.
I won’t deny judo has injuries but the mats is not the main reason.
Judo teaches throws far safer than bjj gyms do IMO which only makes sense.
I agree, I did judo for 3 months, which is nothing, but I injured my shoulder and my ankle just during drills.
whaaaaaaaaaaaat?! I practice judo for 4 years and never had a practice in such a hard floor. Now if I see such shite, I don't even step on the tatami.
Your definition of your grappling is spot on. I too feel like I’m naturally an okay wrestler. But technically I feel like a baby reading the dictionary.
Injury-wise, the ones from training striking were mostly bruises for me. Wrestling however almost dislocated my left shoulder. Looking at it from that angle, I'd say grappling is harder.
Glad you dig the murals there! I painted large mural and the bathrooms! Would love to do more gym murals!
For me personally I think striking is more easier to learn than grappling because it’s kinda easy to practice basic striking techniques all you need is a bag /shadow boxing.
But for grappling all you can do is practice falling down, moving around the floor and get back up. You need someone else or a dummy to practice on.
But what really important is which style you enjoy more because if you like it you pick it up better.
Both disciplines can be very complex, both can lead to injury. Both require strenuous physical exertion and mental toughness.
So I guess I would say the most difficult thing to do is the thing that comes least naturally.
Great video Seth!
Grappling is way harder if you have a relatively thin frame, and striking is harder if you have a relatively bulky frame but this also comes with natural power so i’d say overall grappling is harder
I think bulky guys are generally worse grapplers.
@@PanicGiraffenot true I'm well muscled and Its harder to move me in wrestling but with striking reach matters a lot more
@@PanicGiraffeno they are great grapplers. Takedown offense and just laying on top of you while they gonna submit you
It’s really depends on what you don’t like. If you don’t like getting hit striking in harder. If you don’t like the closeness and pressure of someone else grappling is harder
They are both difficult in different ways.
Striking is hard in that the pace can be difficult to match when sparring or otherwise. No control of breathing while striking or defending will leave you gassed.
In grappling, it's not so much pace as much as enduring the grind. Going muscularity and bodily structure can leave you fatigued from the constance of limbs application to strain and relax. (Muscle cramps can occur 😂)
Overall: grappling is harder to learn as the techniques require a variety of control and understanding as well as the counters that can also accompany those techniques.
Now, to be fair, depending on the type of striking (traditional m.a. vs boxing and kickboxing) there will be a variety of factors that can be harder to learn... but ultimately, with drilling and training, you can gain foot work and head move (which were difficult for me at first and still)
Note: that was a lot. I train Karate and kick boxing (14 years) and BJJ (9 years)
I think I'd say I disagree with grappling being harder to learn because I'd say the sheer number of submissions in jiujitsu or takedowns in wrestling can be difficult to wrap your head around but over time you can kind of get it when it all clicks for you but it's really hard to perfect your striking as well. But also it probably depends on the individual.
@@HG-wl2fmNope, grappling will never get easier. It’s always a learning process and the sheer cardio you need for it is like nothing other.
@@HaroldBluetooth-uz1zz I disagree I find grappling easier to last for longer and I’ve felt the difference when you click and understand
@@HaroldBluetooth-uz1zz and you think people just absolutely master striking at some point or what? There's an infinite amount of learning to be done in striking as well, it just gets very complex very quickly.
@@RenzDavis At the pro level I would argue boxing is more difficult than wrestling; the cardio required is higher to make it through all those rounds. As a casual martial artist in both I would say grappling is easier for the same reason. At the serious-semi serious level? That’s harder for me to determine.
Toughest is wrestling at least for training. In general. But as always it depends. I train BJJ, Judo, Wrestling and some MMA. They all can feel the hardest at times.
I’m way more out of exhausted doing wrestling than boxing
I think it depends on which grappling and striking art
Grappling is definitely more complex, so many positions and moves... But I will say, I've never been scared to wrestle someone (if they are a lot bigger/better they'll control me and submit me, whatever), but getting into a striking match with someone much bigger is terrifying, because you know that even their light punches can hurt you a lot
Very strong beginners are the most dangerous for lighter people. Getting thrown on your head is not uncommon because they can just pick you up and toss you but have 0 control on the landing.
Exactly this, its telling that most people have never hard sparred someone better than them in striking. Wrestle the best guy in the class he taps you out in 30s. Big whoop. Strike against the best guy in the class you've got 3minutes of straight punishment, and that's only 1 round. And there's no tapping. Had rounds where I've been hit 50+ times (training against former pro for example). Uncomparable to losing a grappling spar..
some of your watchers are still training their subscribe button pressing. Eventually they'll develop the coordination
Some us of are masters at pressing the subscribe button, we just refuse to do so for those that aren't worthy.
Yeah, some of us are masters at this art
one thing im sure is its harder to get better at grappling in the beginning since a a lot of moves are situation specific and more complicated hence harder to remember
I think there is a mirror to their learning bell curves. With striking, most people know how to throw a basic punch, it dosnt take much to pick up the basics of kick boxing. Once your acquainted with the meta its a long road to having obvious dominance over beginners.
The reverse is true with grappling, where not many people can move well on the ground, a small amount of time in grappling can show great dominance over beginners
Coach Trevor is a super nice guy, glad he’s getting attention
Is grappling harder or striking harder? This is a good question to explore. You broke it down for us so well. Listening to others opinions and voicing your own in the struggle and process. It is for me as you mentioned is doing or trying something new and different. Many people like to argue this style is better than your style or no style is better than any other Martial Art debates. The thing is have these people spent time trying the thing they are putting down? I have much respect and love for it all. Especially my traditional style TKD. 😊
Grappling is full of knowledge checks. Everything is specific and technically situational, but once you learn how to connect one thing into another, it gets easier to apply higher order thinking to, which makes it easier as a whole. It's like learning a keyboard layout
Striking is the better and worse part of simple. Simple means you can pick it up. It also means everything comes down to small changes. It also means everything is intuitive, until it's not. The higher level you want to operate at, the less intuitive it is. It's like swimming, or water polo.
Unintuitive but easier learning curve vs Intuitive with a thought-based (read: hard) learning curve.
A very well researched and put together video. One of your best. Excellent.
It's amazing watching a video and seeing the exact gym where I train lol. Good shit Seth!.
Great video brother. I may do a reaction video on it. (I’ll link it if I do) Really good points on both sides. Keep up the great work
I think hardest on the body is wrestling and muay thai. How about comparing what gives more injuries or what is best for leg strength or flexibility?
Little editing tip. If you're dealing with audio that is panned to only one side (like in the short video where the boxer who started incorporating grappling into his training) then convert it to a mono signal instead of a stereo signal. If you only have one microphone, in other words a mono signal (mono means one) but it is played in a stereo signal (two speakers, a pair of headphones) then it will automatically be panned to the left. However if it is converted into a mono signal then the audio is playing the same level in both speakers and is perceived like it would be placed in the middle. Great video btw!
One being harder than the other is…. Both have unique difficulties that different people will find easier or harder to accommodate.
One thing I will say is that it is easier to train safely at near full intensity in grappling than striking…. At least in sparring. But you can practise strikes solo more easily than you can grappling.
I will also say that I find it way easier to “rest” when I grapple than in striking. A good defensive posture and you can grab a few moments. Much like Seth talks about.
In wrestling there are no break moments, only full steam ahead.
This was awesome. You earned a sub for sure. Keep it up man
Where do I get a 20 foot neonwave Hitmonlee decal ??? And how do I convince my wife that we should put it up in our house ???
Wow you did very very good on scaling Grappling and Striking, this video is very cool, and it's fun to watch, very informative, you have done a perfect survey bro
Respect to both if you do a real striking or grappling art they are both hard. Also Respect to Seth for making dope content
Great video! I think a big reason for longer rounds in grappling (generally 5 minutes in IBJJF or MMA which includes grappling) vs striking ( mostly 3 minutes in boxing/kickboxing/muay thai) is that they want to encourage a faster pace in striking and that in grappling you might need more time in order to develop positions. Although I have found I feel about as tired at the end of a 3 minute striking sparring round as a do a 5 minute jiu-jitsu roll.
1:45 I was, in fact, expecting the beginning of a story
This is my gym! So mad I missed ya Seth. Been watching you for years
Congrats on the 400k subs Seth!
Thank you, my teacher, for all your excellent information and all your meetings, especially with the legends of martial arts,
You definitely got a new subscriber! I’ve training Muay Thai for about 2 years. I love it! I tired BJJ, it was harder for me to train and get into it as well. Striking may be easier to get into butttt it’s definitely more injury prone than grappling.
Hey Seth, I just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you put into your videos. You inspire me to train harder to be the best martial artist I can be. I just recently got one of your shirts, and when I wear it to grapple in Bjj I swear it helps me become better. Maybe you should advertise that as a feature of your merch lol. Keep being awesome and God Bless.
Amazing video this is a prime example of a perfect UA-cam video
brooo the special guest!!!! i love that dude!
15:25 I'm a parkour coach who's also transitioning into self defense coaching and I found THIS bit the most interesting: 15:25 It's the one about different breathing rhythms between striking and grappling and transitioning between them.
And, granted, this video has A TON of interesting tidbits to martial arts coaches, in my humble opinion! This was just the best
Also, I was going to say there's no way Seth reached 200bpm but I remembered that he's young, like mid20's, right?
Great video! Great to see so many friends!!!
Would love to see a Kyokushin video! Osu!!
Im 28. done striking my whole life and grappling for about 10 years. I get fatigued quicker grappling than i do striking. But when I ask my wrestling team and Judo team (national level) friends who also do Mma, they say they get tired quicker in striking. I think what your body grew up doing will be less demanding. Thats a big factor imo.
Tony Jeffries is such a natural UA-camr. Ive watched a lot of his videos and when he stopped talking in this vid I was like "ahhh man" 😂 no offense Seth love ur vids too 😅
I've trained in a similar gym to the one in the video where they've got a grappling building and a striking building. I also did both styles and knew other people who did both.
All I can say is that when the striking gym wants to get you tired, they make you do burpees. When the grappling gym wants to get you tired, they have you grapple.
would be nice you making these tests with judo and wrestling too
My simple take (because im lazy to type too much) is that it's easier to plateau for striking.
Grappling, you can always add on more techniques and knowledge of positions or whatever to your arsenal.
Yippeeee - nice to see tony in a video again
Great video, the comparison was very cool but Dude.... ya gotta fix the audio before you post it. Some of Tony was fully left channel. I know you also watch videos with only one ear bud in sometimes (react) so I know you've run into this from other people and you know it's annoying. You're doing a great job love this and the other channel. Keep it up and keep the quality high. Rooting for you at worlds and can't wait to see that video!
I did 6 months boxing and now grappling since 4 months. Before Boxing sparring i sh*t my pants a lot more than before grappling sparring, while the injuries in grappling were and are more intense.
I feel like from a pure cardio standpoint striking is more difficult because of the constant movement, but I feel like I wear my muscles out quicker grappling because you’re having to work against and in some cases hold up someone’s body weight which from my (limited) experience it saps your strength before you even realize it.
i think people neglect personal ability, my most trained martial art is kickboxing however, when I started training and playing with my ground game ,I found I was really good at it naturally without much training, call it what you want talent or confidence even as I started this journey I was able to spar with people with experience, i was using my body weight, understanding of my body positions and opp, all without exp, also learning subs and strategies felt easy and right hard to explain. I think some people are naturally better at striking others, grappling everyone is different or it could false confidence , Idk am still new in the ground game and love rolling
Great topic and great video!
It’s very interesting to see how different everyone views the matter!!
For me it’s striking, but it’s probably because I’m only 6 months in.
400k almost there. This was a great video!!! I should have thought of it for my channel.
Amazing analysis. Great job!
Which is harder depends on your body type. If you're light, and quick, you'll prefer striking. If you're big, and strong, you'll be better at grappling.
That's exacly me lol
Not really. Lanky people are a nightmare to grapple.
I'm slow, and kinda big and strong (Kelvin Gastelum body type) but I find striking way easier.
Endurance training wise wrestling and grappling is pretty hard, and the base rules are learning pivot points, wrist control, and Newton’s third law
I think there are many other factors to consider in which one is more difficult.
- Are you bigger/heavier or smaller/lighter? (Still could be either depending on the person).
- How's your reaction time?
- Do you have good hand eye coordination?
- Are you more experienced in 1 of the 2? (Having experience in something makes it easier. It can also make it harder to change your habits and do the opposite).
- Which one is more fun for you? (This also affects how much time and dedication you will put in).
Others to consider:
- Do you have a full-time job, and what are your hours? (This can effect what places are open at what times. Some people might not have a choice, depending on their work schedule. Or you may have to think about which one will use less of your energy, so you can go to work tomorrow).
- Do you feel comfortable being close to people for a long time? (If not, just go with striking).
- Are you afraid of getting hit? (In that case, grappling).
- Are you worried you might hurt someone? (Then I guess jogging and running might be better, or parkour if you're athletic and you really like martial arts movies).
And finally:
- Are you a White Belt, or never tried martial arts before? (Just try anything you feel like would be fun. You can then decide more confidently if you want to try something else, or stick to what you're currently training).
- Are you a Black Belt? (Then why are you still only training what you're already good at? At this point, you should start training in both striking and grappling).
If @SenseiSeth taught us anything on youtube, it is to try new things and have fun. Experiment with different things, don't be afraid of embarrassing yourself, and just have fun doing what you enjoy.
Think it's worth mentioning that the endurance difference in the two sports are quite noticeable due to how they use their bodies.
In striking, what mainly tires you out (outside of pain from impact) is due to cardiovascular, you're constantly moving at high speeds and throwing shots varying between 70-100% of your effort.
That doesn't make grappling necessarily less tiring, it's not that black and white, what makes grappling tiring is muscle endurance, grappling forces you to consistently be holding static positions. If you've ever tried a proper Ma bu (horse stance) or similar static exercises, you'll know what I'm talking about. Despite your heartrate not going up like Muay thai, there's still lots of endurance needing to be trained, fighting the lactic acid buildup also creates a ton of mental fatigue.
For reference I do Muay Thai, have tried a bit of grappling here and there but our grueling clinch sessions is what really reminds me of the different types of tiredness that the two genres bring upon you. For me I can handle the cardiovascular much better than long grappling sessions, it's a different type of conditioning.
Great video again Seth.
When I took Judo in the 90s, my sensei required my parents to have health insurance on me.
Man the Bruce Lee mural is sick! 🐉
we can think about it like this, not many new techniques are new in striking but every few years there's a new thing in grappling. Striking for me was easier and it was new to me but I was also a wrestler for 7 years, even so, the sheer amount of submissions in BJJ makes it much more difficult in my opinion.
Its a question with multiple variables that keep this from being a clear answer. Even people that give definite answers about, which style is more taxing, which style is easier to pick up, it depends. And thats whats cool.
17:22 Seth is dead before a Sumo match , he comes back to life for the sake of the match, and sadly dies again😢
What you train as a kid you develop more learning ability as an adult ... So if you train striking as a kid, as an adult you will be better at striking martial arts if you train then again, you can train taekwondo as an kid and Muay Thai and BJJ as an adult, Muay Thai will be easeyer for you, and of it goes the other way around if you train Judo as a kid, you will be better at BJJ then Muay Thai as an adult.
Trained at a gym primarily for professional boxers but included a grab bag of other disciplines. When I noticed all the veteran boxers were transitioning to MMA, I asked why. Pretty much universally, they all answered that grappling is "easier" (meaning physically, since they were getting older). I believed them since they also said they made less money in MMA than boxing.
Very fun video. Thanks 👍
I wonder,is there a third way to grappling and striking? People use wrestling to refer to the takedown part,but still grappling involves. Unless we want to consider the butting of bodies a martial art itself.
African tribes used to practice headbutting duels,rushing at each other, before stopping and throwing themselves in a precise headlong tackle. Asian wrestling styles seem to have a butting vision too, a chinese ancient form of wrestling was called horn butting,and tackling without going for a takedown was seen as a more practical form. Striking with the torso is a complete skill in TCMA, mongolians are associated with shoulder tackle in japanese media. And of course,the sumotori pushes with his torso likened to a boulder.
But it still feel like a variant of striking to me, like wrestling to grappling,tackling to striking.
I have seen groundfighting named a class by itself,but it tends to be still grappling, does something like "ground striking" exist?
Weaponry i do not consider,it is just another variable,it is not a pure approach,you would still use for striking or grapple.
If we really wanna feel esoteric, you can see dancing or movement as a third branch,justifying parkour and ballet. Looking at capoeira and african styles,it may not be so stupid of an idea.
Their is more down time in striking, but its also harder to get into because of that fear in your mind. Grappling is easier to get into but its downtime is "non existent"(Not saying you cant stop in middle of grappling but its gonna be like Go Go GO stop Go GO Go, vs striking Go Stop Go Stop).
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It definitely depends on the person. Some people are more attuned to either striking or grappling usually, and that's usually why they choose either or.
Grappling is much easier on your body to train as you can really slow things down till you need to speed them back up.
Try the same thing with striking and you won't learn much going that slow except at the very start, and more importantly it's always going to be harder overall on your cardiovascular system as you aim for more explosive movements more often with less time to wait between those movements. I will say though obviously if you do both in the same couple of hours it will be nearly impossible to measure either separately in an authentic way. You'd have to make sure you're as fresh as possible for both separate days even, and it's so hard to control for variables.
As an ametuar with less than a year of both under my belt, I'd say grappling is harder to learn and master but striking is harder on your body and mind.
If you can dance you can fight and if you can fight you can dance. Plus, striking is way harder on the body. At least as a high calorie striker.
Boxing is very hard. Muay Thai is hard. Most striking that ain't boxing is easier.
Grappling is overall safer, so most people will find it easier except if you fight overly aggressive guys that injure you for life with a leg lock or something.
I would disagree that grappling is safer, I've been training BJJ for 5 years and most of the older guys I know have chronic injuries from training, even if you spar lightly there's always a risk of possible injury from landing bad on takedown or just excessive pressure of someone being on top.
@@Meeko2689 i mean there is a reason why they put kids to do judo and bjj and they do well. It's not that hardcore. I'm guessing those injuries happen because of people that don't really spar light.
I think grappling is cerebral, while striking is mechanical. The smartest guys are grappling, while the physically gifted are strikers. In most cases
I would say that amount of damage you can give/get in one action is greater with striking but grappling is more beneficial when facing a physically stronger foe.
I'm starting with striking but the striking based system has clench work, throws and take downs..
Sanda Chinese kickboxing.
Also we get some lessons on Thai kickboxing and western boxing, and even a small lesson in panatuken this past Saturday.. it's a nice mix.
Eventually I will get on some wrestling techniques either combat submission wrestling or catch wrestling or both.
I teach both striking and grappling. I definitely think striking is harder. I can show my students grappling concepts and they get them down either immediately or quickly. Teaching them new things with striking takes them a lot of time.
My friend Hiroyuki Pavlovich (R.I.P) had 4th degree black belt in Kyokushin Karate & 2nd degree black belt in Judo. He always said that in terms of training & body damage Judo was way too harder but Karate could give traumatic shock because of head strikes. According to him conditioning of Kyokushin Karate & workout regiment of Judo are extremely grueling but also complimentary to each other.
Imho learning striking has much more steep learning curve and also condition yourself for kicks or bareknuckle strikes, but grappling is way more demanding in terms of physical fitness. Thats whz its nice to combine it.
As a newbie, grappling is harder to learn because it is not natural and simple as striking, especially about locking, chocking and positioning the body to increase leverage
Striking you just need to know the basic techniques then you can use it right away, added more tactic, anticipation, and strategy and you can be good enough
But when it comes to real life application, wrestling and grappling can be easy to use because not many people know how to counter take down, lock, choke, and submission
But I agree what tony jeffrey said in competition striking is more harder, because you will get severe damage first and the match still going on
Space between you and your opponent and the variety of different styles makes it significantly harder after the first few years. Not even karate vs muaythai but even someone from the same sport would fight very differently
Mountain Biking! I've spent 20 years in striking and 6 in bjj. I thought we had the hardest workouts and training. I spent the summer Mountain Biking, holy hell.
I have done both at a very young age and i say the learning curve was the same for me. Now switching from grappling to wrestling was a mental jump cuz what positions was good in one sucked in the other
Am a kick boxer,tried grappling for one time and honestly striking training are nothing compared to grappling even in the normal drills
Plus the sparring is way dangerous,striking injuries are bruises but grappling might destroy your shoulder,arms or knees for a long time cause of one mistake.