Both are viable. Alhaitham has a higher damage ceiling and more flexibilty in teams as he has more units he can access (best team being alhaitham, Nahida/baizhu, xingqiu/yelan, kuki/raiden). However, alhaitham’s rotations can be hard to pull off due to his cooldowns. Kinich has a higher damage floor, being able to pump out big damage from the wazoo. He also has a very comfy team (kinich, Emilie, bennett, dehya/xiangling). His rotations are borderline braindead, very easy. Overall, pull for whichever or just pull both cuz they play different teams completely.
@vldk1OOOOOO damage floor is essentially the starting point, ceiling would be the potential. Alhaitham scales with crit, atk and em and also has a passive that increases his damage up to 1000 em, so his builds have the most potential with investments and team mates investments all while keeping him c0
I pulled Alhaitham because he was a badass and now am pulling Kinich for the same reason. I had no idea Alhaitham would be a top tier unit when I pulled him
First people thought that alhaitham was a low-mind dps because he got nerfed in the beta But in the end it was great I tried to get him but instead i got an tighnari, now i have secured for kinich so that don't happen again
I pulled on his first banner cus i was stressing out the abyss thinking i might need him to finish it, but i 36 the abyss at that time without ever using him after multiple attempts.. well now hes one of my strongest DPS cv wise
alrdy got C0R2 Alhaitham, so theres not much to think abt for me. Mainly getting Kinich & Ajaw cuz of Sasuke & Naruto... (and ofc the grapple) Great thing that he's got ATK scaling and pyro related so Alhaitham can still use hyperbloom, and on other chamber Kinich can do burning burgeon hehe
@@earllmiranda4946 unless mavuika is a pure dps then most likely yeah. She's prolly like furina where she's broken support at c0 but at c6 she's a dps cuz that's how hoyo love to get the money but I just know people would c6 her anyways
@@rouqlctesti9874 but you could get just the right amount of night soul ticks that make a 5th shot possible, which burn and passive night soul earns are still ticking during ult animation.
But here's the thing, al haitham, is the best at spread, and quickbloom, and kinich is the best and burning and burgeon, because they scale differently, however bc kinich doesn't buff burning or burgeon he can work in spread and quickbloom teams, his own cannon shot doesn't loose dmg bc his passives don't increase his damage only how quickly he can shoot such shots
Kinich is the only Natlan character they made mid because he's a male character. No pull. Especially since Alhaitham already covers the role. You're grasping for straws separating reactions with him.
@@woodykusaki9970Mid? He's far from mid lmfao. He's on par with Alhaitham most of the time. Not to mention he doesn't have a Natlan support yet to utilize the new Natlan support artifact and to trigger two stack of his Nightsoul burst passive and he's already doing so much.
What make Alhaitham way better than Kinich is he synergyze well with broken support like Nahida and Furina especially if you have c2 Nahida and Furina, the gap between Kinich and Alhaitham gonna be way bigger.
kinich 2nd best team literally uses furina wtf are u talking abt?? also kinich synergizes with bennett, arguably the best 4*, xiangling who's one of the best 4* meanwhile haitham doesn't
Very true, with mavuika around the corner kinich can unlock his full potential especially when his talent suggests you to pair him with natlan characters
Both are good! Alhaitham have that top tier damage while Kinich is super fun to play while being a decent dps! I already have alhaitham now im excited to get kinich tommorow!!
Alhaitham (he doesn't need bennett, ) because he has good aoe which is crucial for spiral abyss , he can easily kill multiple enemies whereas kinich is single target dps
@@RockPock-r3ffor now, he doesn't have mavuika. So, we have to wait and see because right now, he can't even fully utilise his passive stack which increases his cannon dmg.
In my opinion, it's kinich who's stronger when it comes to f2p players, especially for those who don't want to wish that much since you can get Xiangling (for free) which imo is good for him, and also collei for extra dendro char. Meanwhile, alhaitham, you need to get electro characters, since the team he works in is quicken. If you think about it, f2p wise, kinich "could" be a better dps, even in solo! Again, I'm just sharing my opinion, it's not meta wise yet. ❤😊
@@melondino-s4r bro for alhaitham you only need c0 kuki xingqui/yelan/furina and nahida, kinich is a single target focus so on aoe there's a problem, while alhaitham is millle + aoe + quickbloom yeilds higher dmg from kinich's simple buffed dendro dmg, also fyi all archons are universal support, mavuika will be a bigger support to hydro then kinich and emily
Recuerden que Kinich aun no alcanza su maximo potencial porque su pasiva de aumento de daño no se activa bien y no tiene a un pyro que le active el set de Natlan al 100%
But i think Alhaitham still the best Dendro DPS, because he can hit Multi Enemy, So he can Fight against lot enemy or single Enemy. About Kinich, He's great DPS, but he's only become perfect when fight against single enemy, of course he still can make DMG against multi enemy using Burst, but i think Alhaitham still the best for Multi Enemy. Besides Alhaitham premium team is ready, and Kinich is not ready, maybe we wait Mavuika to release to help Kinich.
I think Kinich could hypothethically work in hyperbloom. but he will always perform better in burning comps, though Alhaitham is better for that type of team, so maybe saving if you prefer Al's playstyle and team comp
Better to use xiangling than dehya for me 😅 because to Compare team alhaitam vs kinich now. Dehya didnt deal a good dmg for team, just for resisten interrupt. Different wiith alhaitam party, all of them can make a good dmg
@@s1lverse222you must be high as f if u think dehya pyro app is somehow comparable to xiangling. And if you say xiangling has ER issue even with bennet and a fav then it’s massive skill issue. As for self destruct with burning did you read emilie’s talent?
you should have put kuki's burst in alhaitham's, and bennett should be just before kinich for obvious uptime-related reasons. anyway kinich doesn't even have mavuika yet and his constellations are way better. (no offense intended on alhaitham simps)
Alhaitam is objectively better dps. His best team being Alhaitam Kuki Furina Nahida Kinnich ia great for single target. I'm sure he will improve with new characters. I think his best team would be Kinnich Bennett Emily Mavuika
Tbh I don't care which one is better, Alhaitham is super fun to play and you cannot tell me that spinning endlessly around targets as Kinich is not going to get crazy boring after a week or two of playing him. Plus character-wise... at least Alhaitham is not a cold blooded killer lol
Kinich seems to be better than alhaitham and will continue to be even better if the leak about pyro archon is true. Maybe except a situation where mobs spread out or where there r too many mobs
Nah. Alhaitham is better. Id rather not pull for Kinich now that I don't have full locked in info on what his meta relevance really is. Plus I'm not gonna pull for their flop waifu archon. Lol
Kinich don't have much teams where he can shine but alhaitam have many great option Kinich is single starget and alhaitrm can do both single as well as crowd
Alhaitham is better in all scenarios, in multi-target he crushes, against shields he destroys, against bosses he is as good as kinich. But, in all kinich demo videos you insist on testing him only in the singletarget scenario, very, very forced. Kinich is bad. Alhaitham > kinich
*ps: you can use both bcs they have different team
Yep its like neuvi and mualani,cause neuvi mostly use in hyperbloom/CARRY while mualani in forward vape
edit:oh god this fandom can't read
@@Sunrise20403who tf uses neuvi in hyperbloom mostly? 💀
@@cneslayerop4901 it's pretty good on c0 neuvi actually
@@cneslayerop4901Isn't that a thing on his release? I actually used him, Zhongli, Baizhu/Nahida and Kuki/Raiden EM. It's satisfying.😊
@@diezfrancis no lol. you play him as a pure hypercarry
Both are viable.
Alhaitham has a higher damage ceiling and more flexibilty in teams as he has more units he can access (best team being alhaitham, Nahida/baizhu, xingqiu/yelan, kuki/raiden). However, alhaitham’s rotations can be hard to pull off due to his cooldowns.
Kinich has a higher damage floor, being able to pump out big damage from the wazoo. He also has a very comfy team (kinich, Emilie, bennett, dehya/xiangling). His rotations are borderline braindead, very easy.
Overall, pull for whichever or just pull both cuz they play different teams completely.
wait i never noticed damage floor and ceiling had different meanings, could you explain it please :')
@vldk1OOOOOO damage floor is essentially the starting point, ceiling would be the potential. Alhaitham scales with crit, atk and em and also has a passive that increases his damage up to 1000 em, so his builds have the most potential with investments and team mates investments all while keeping him c0
Well alhaitham cant be good at burgein and burning
I pulled Alhaitham because he was a badass and now am pulling Kinich for the same reason. I had no idea Alhaitham would be a top tier unit when I pulled him
First people thought that alhaitham was a low-mind dps because he got nerfed in the beta
But in the end it was great
I tried to get him but instead i got an tighnari, now i have secured for kinich so that don't happen again
Same but his abs convinced me
I pulled on his first banner cus i was stressing out the abyss thinking i might need him to finish it, but i 36 the abyss at that time without ever using him after multiple attempts.. well now hes one of my strongest DPS cv wise
I wasn't even planning to pull him cz i had already pulled kazuha in that patch but got him accidentally in 14 pity and I don't regret it
Still garbage 🗑️ him n xiao are the worst character to ever get n ever build
alrdy got C0R2 Alhaitham, so theres not much to think abt for me. Mainly getting Kinich & Ajaw cuz of Sasuke & Naruto... (and ofc the grapple) Great thing that he's got ATK scaling and pyro related so Alhaitham can still use hyperbloom, and on other chamber Kinich can do burning burgeon hehe
kinich has better personal dmg but overall i still think that alhetham is still better
Only because kinich doesn't have good support right now because he's still new
imagine mavuika will be his best team
@@earllmiranda4946 unless mavuika is a pure dps then most likely yeah. She's prolly like furina where she's broken support at c0 but at c6 she's a dps cuz that's how hoyo love to get the money but I just know people would c6 her anyways
Alhaitham seems to be better only for dendro cores dmg. Without that..
@@yalocaldex What we need is a Xiangling 2.0, not another pyro onfield DPS no. 15
You use kinich’s ult to extend his E when its going to end, not before you e
the ult doesn't extend the e, because the animation takes 1.7 seconds. It's better to use it as fast as possible to save energy
@@rouqlctesti9874 but you could get just the right amount of night soul ticks that make a 5th shot possible, which burn and passive night soul earns are still ticking during ult animation.
@@theguiltyboy269 I didn't know that lol. But that only works right after shooting a cannonball, right?
@@rouqlctesti9874 it works anytime during E but I would recommend to use ult when the bar is empty
But here's the thing, al haitham, is the best at spread, and quickbloom, and kinich is the best and burning and burgeon, because they scale differently, however bc kinich doesn't buff burning or burgeon he can work in spread and quickbloom teams, his own cannon shot doesn't loose dmg bc his passives don't increase his damage only how quickly he can shoot such shots
you got 1-2 less cannon shot without burning tho
thats a massive dps lost
Kinich is the only Natlan character they made mid because he's a male character. No pull. Especially since Alhaitham already covers the role. You're grasping for straws separating reactions with him.
@@woodykusaki9970Mid? He's far from mid lmfao. He's on par with Alhaitham most of the time. Not to mention he doesn't have a Natlan support yet to utilize the new Natlan support artifact and to trigger two stack of his Nightsoul burst passive and he's already doing so much.
@@woodykusaki9970 cmon man. At least put in some effort to make a bait. Don't make it so obvious
@@woodykusaki9970 the alhaitham > kinich > navia guy 🤣🤣
They both great, i love them both. Cant wait to get kinich today.
What make Alhaitham way better than Kinich is he synergyze well with broken support like Nahida and Furina especially if you have c2 Nahida and Furina, the gap between Kinich and Alhaitham gonna be way bigger.
kinich 2nd best team literally uses furina wtf are u talking abt?? also kinich synergizes with bennett, arguably the best 4*, xiangling who's one of the best 4* meanwhile haitham doesn't
The true battle is of their themes. I can't decide which one I like better
All I need to know is.. Does Kinich have a roommate, too? 😂😂😂
Does ajaw count?
@@ernesto_7O7 you got a point 😁
Almighty Drangonlord K'uhul Ajaw
Alhaitham's "room"MATE is interesting
No, he brings Mualani home and they do seggsy together
神いないのにダメージ出るのは素晴らしいことだ
マーヴィカが加わったときにとんでもない火力を期待できる
アルハイゼンはこれ以上 ダメージ上げることはできない
キィニチは未完成パーティ
Very true, with mavuika around the corner kinich can unlock his full potential especially when his talent suggests you to pair him with natlan characters
I hope pyro traveller will at least fill the need of a pyro off field for both Mualani and Kinich.
Tighnari fans who still happily play him ---->
Kinich looks fun
js saying im js watching this for kinich action footage . im alr fixated on pulling him if hes meta or not 🖐
i liked for the song u used in this vids, good job..
Only problem is Kinich playstyle is better cause very few actually play Alhaitham.
Both are good! Alhaitham have that top tier damage while Kinich is super fun to play while being a decent dps! I already have alhaitham now im excited to get kinich tommorow!!
Ans who is the strongest ?
Alhaitham (he doesn't need bennett, ) because he has good aoe which is crucial for spiral abyss , he can easily kill multiple enemies whereas kinich is single target dps
@@RockPock-r3f Thanks
@@RockPock-r3ffor now, he doesn't have mavuika. So, we have to wait and see because right now, he can't even fully utilise his passive stack which increases his cannon dmg.
In my opinion, it's kinich who's stronger when it comes to f2p players, especially for those who don't want to wish that much since you can get Xiangling (for free) which imo is good for him, and also collei for extra dendro char. Meanwhile, alhaitham, you need to get electro characters, since the team he works in is quicken. If you think about it, f2p wise, kinich "could" be a better dps, even in solo! Again, I'm just sharing my opinion, it's not meta wise yet. ❤😊
@@melondino-s4r bro for alhaitham you only need c0 kuki xingqui/yelan/furina and nahida, kinich is a single target focus so on aoe there's a problem, while alhaitham is millle + aoe + quickbloom yeilds higher dmg from kinich's simple buffed dendro dmg, also fyi all archons are universal support, mavuika will be a bigger support to hydro then kinich and emily
why arent you using al haitham's skill
no need to
Ikr the rotation in the vid is a bit longer not swapping ult and dealing physical while waiting for the mirrors to come live
Both are good. Al haithem is better now
E then Q then E again for additional 1.7 duration of Kinich's skill
Idk if i should pull him as i already have tighnari but also i want chevreuse
Picking Kinich because he's better in exploration and more fun in gameplay imo
Recuerden que Kinich aun no alcanza su maximo potencial porque su pasiva de aumento de daño no se activa bien y no tiene a un pyro que le active el set de Natlan al 100%
The aoe coverage that makes alhaitham still the best dendro dps
Idk why im watching this when i inow i am way to lazy to build the alhaitham in my basement 😅
But i think Alhaitham still the best Dendro DPS, because he can hit Multi Enemy, So he can Fight against lot enemy or single Enemy. About Kinich, He's great DPS, but he's only become perfect when fight against single enemy, of course he still can make DMG against multi enemy using Burst, but i think Alhaitham still the best for Multi Enemy. Besides Alhaitham premium team is ready, and Kinich is not ready, maybe we wait Mavuika to release to help Kinich.
I don't really like burning nor have the perfect team for it, but im a big fan of hyperbloom, should i still go for kinich? Or wait for alhaitham
I think Kinich could hypothethically work in hyperbloom. but he will always perform better in burning comps, though Alhaitham is better for that type of team, so maybe saving if you prefer Al's playstyle and team comp
Good thing I also have Alhaitham 😇
アルハイゼンは複数、キィニチは単体だしいろんな点で差別化されまくってるからどっちも使えばいい
U know u can run kinich national with bennet xianling and furina as a overall high dmg dealing team
Better to use xiangling than dehya for me 😅 because to Compare team alhaitam vs kinich now. Dehya didnt deal a good dmg for team, just for resisten interrupt. Different wiith alhaitam party, all of them can make a good dmg
Dehya has a lot more consistent pyro application, as well as help mitigate self-burning damage
@@s1lverse222you must be high as f if u think dehya pyro app is somehow comparable to xiangling. And if you say xiangling has ER issue even with bennet and a fav then it’s massive skill issue. As for self destruct with burning did you read emilie’s talent?
not to mention dehya has easy access to tenacity which will help kinich do more personal damage
@@s1lverse222 You’re not increasing anything without deepwood. Using deepwood emilie will only decrease your overall team dmg
@@gaet1893 Deepwood Nahida
i missed alhaithim the first time and got him and clorinde this time if i go for kinich it would be just because a new character imma pass
I see kinich is better I will pull for him in hes rerun cuz I'm broke
Kinich vs navia?
Kinich has more dmg but alt has better teams that make him do more dmg bc he has hyper bloom dmg and that it’s self can clear 12 itself
theyre both good and im having both 😻😻
I will use both
Kinich can be used in more teams
you should have put kuki's burst in alhaitham's, and bennett should be just before kinich for obvious uptime-related reasons.
anyway kinich doesn't even have mavuika yet and his constellations are way better. (no offense intended on alhaitham simps)
Multi Target dps vs single target dps
They both are monsters 💀💀
Any1 tell me why they only use one of the dehya skills
For the pyro application
That is all you need to apply fire while she's off field
DPS loss in most cases. Purely for pyro application.
Alhaitham team can be fully f2p and do crazy,kinnich without emily is just sad
He can literally use xiangling or collei , emilie doesn't increase his dmg
whats alhaitham without nahida?
Alhaitham damage without nahida is quite flop.
@@Lucario-ct9lnTrue, I have him and im skipping everything until nahida and kuki comes home
Emilie doesnt do nothing for his personal dmg she is a good sub dps but when we got new pyro/dendro supports she will be benched sooner or later
Alhaitam is objectively better dps.
His best team being
Alhaitam
Kuki
Furina
Nahida
Kinnich ia great for single target. I'm sure he will improve with new characters.
I think his best team would be
Kinnich
Bennett
Emily
Mavuika
kinich isnt single target, he does dendro aoe damage tho...
Oh boy not this again. They have completely different gameplay and teams.
キィニチ引かない方が良さそう。基礎スペが高いだけだし。万葉もシロネンも使えない。
Tbh I don't care which one is better, Alhaitham is super fun to play and you cannot tell me that spinning endlessly around targets as Kinich is not going to get crazy boring after a week or two of playing him.
Plus character-wise... at least Alhaitham is not a cold blooded killer lol
I mean, people are playing neuvilette and spinning
@@CalvitooMan Yes, and they all say how braindead Neuvillette is to play 🤣
@@MJDanvers finally my type player lmao idk how people play with neuvi bot charged atk gameplay
@@Tenma-1 I always had fun playing him in events but idk how utterly sick I'd be of that gameplay after actually having him for one week loool
Fr I don't understand how people even get the idea that Kinich's gameplay is better than Alhaitham
Kinich seems to be better than alhaitham and will continue to be even better if the leak about pyro archon is true.
Maybe except a situation where mobs spread out or where there r too many mobs
Nah. Alhaitham is better. Id rather not pull for Kinich now that I don't have full locked in info on what his meta relevance really is.
Plus I'm not gonna pull for their flop waifu archon. Lol
Kinich don't have much teams where he can shine but alhaitam have many great option
Kinich is single starget and alhaitrm can do both single as well as crowd
I believe harbinger of Dawn is better than iron string
Resumindo se já tive o allahtan não precisa pega o kinich
Pro don't use yelan with haitham
new dendro meta
Kinich circle impact again.
Bruh put a timer already
Spoiler: kinich hasn't got his archon yet 🤓
Kinich needs Emilie? I dont have her and dont like her
No he doesn't
Use Furina
just press J
Kuki carried as usual
Dont mind me guys im just bitter cuz i lost my 50/50 on haitham’s banner
@@xingqiu1809 rip good luck next time
Kuki sucks though. I replaced her with Fischl or electro Aether.
@@woodykusaki9970 bait used to be believable
@@xingqiu1809 Same, gl next rerun he has tho!
なんでキィニチのラプトル戦わざと時間かけてるんだろ..あとスキル使ってから爆発打つのがいいと思う
Why u use iron sting ? HoD is better
You do not need nahida for al haithem
Yeah but her buffs are appreciated
@@AnirBoutFurina would be better
@@loiczinger or just use both
Baizhu is much better than Nahida
@@woodykusaki9970 lol
Alhaitham is better in all scenarios, in multi-target he crushes, against shields he destroys, against bosses he is as good as kinich. But, in all kinich demo videos you insist on testing him only in the singletarget scenario, very, very forced. Kinich is bad. Alhaitham > kinich
Use the Command: /prop uo all
And then log out and log back in.
I Hope It will help you remove the "tutorial mark".
Good Vid BTW. 👍
キィニチには将来性あるからな
炎神との相性も気になるし
アルハイゼンは正直頭打ちな気がする
Stupid comparison.
Alhaitham had the best dendro applicator, Yelan and Kuki and still lost
Al haithem is better kinich play style is kinda annoying..I’m glad they serve two different purposes
Nope. They're the same. Dendro DPS. Lol
Gameplay Better than alhaitham
@@VaishnaviSharma-s4b his combat isn’t as good for me personally ..over world Kinich the best in the game
@@mordakie3805 ok that's ur opinion 😉
@@VaishnaviSharma-s4b "better" in what sense? Alhaitham does more damage and has non-limiting teams/reactions so Alhaitham is better.
Lol, who plays Al-Haitham hyperbloom? That's the cheap Al-Haitham. His real role is Spread DPS.
Mostly everybody? All Alhaitham hypers brag about is hyperbloom (as if you couldn't just on field Nahida and play double hydro).
You say that when his Hyperbloom team is just better than spread straight up
lol his quickbloom teams are way more better than his spread team
his spread team are close to ass lmao. He is super hard carried by hyperbloom
Alhaitam. And skip kinich since alhaitam already c1 r1.