I think its crazy how similar the damage is, considering the fact that raiden has kazuha, sara, and bennet supporting her and giving buffs, while kinich only has bennet giving attack buff and maybe dehya or emilie on deepwood. I feel like people are underestimating him and his future potential as well. Mualani already has a bunch of cracked supports while kinich does not have as many since he is dendro and relies in burning which currently is really niche and he still does almost around the same as her. I DO THINK MUALANI IS REALLY GOOD DONT GET ME WRONG i think that it is a little unfair to compare them as of right now(i know this video wasn’t about comparing kinich and mualani but in general😭). Here’s hoping mavuika and future characters will come out and be able to buff him and and the burning reaction in maybe a way that cheveruse does. Also i hope i get kinich too💚💚
Im very hesitant to pull for kinich or raiden c2. Kinich although does do lots of damage, im not sure if he's fully worth getting. Im not sure if him and mauvika could work on the same team or if mauvika is gonna be a unit similar to arlecchino. Im not fully sure about what she gonna be like as a unit since not many characters at all can use the new cinder city artifact set so im not sure if her role is to make that set useful or be another arlecchino clone who can solo any 100 lvl boss in the game. As for raiden c2, im not even sure if that's even worth getting. Raiden tends to easily one shot any enemy that isn't super tanky and she stills does well against bosses but is c2 raiden worth it that much? I already have c0r1 clorinde (60% crit rate without her talent buff, 253% crit damage) and ik my c1r1 raiden (68% crit rate, 155% crit damage) easily gets outperformed by clorinde. Im not sure if that's gonna change if i get raiden c2 mostly since raiden isn't exactly a traditional DPS like clorinde is and idk if raiden's usefulness is more than my clorinde's usefulness.
she wasn't meant to be a main dps but a sub dps at c0/c1. And just like any other sub dps, you have the option to turn them into a main DPS by unlocking their cons mostly at c6. Originally, Raiden's c2 was also meant to be c6 but hoyo made a wise decision to switch them because they know that Raiden is a popular character so her sales potential could even be bigger if they gave her power spike on her early cons. Getting c1-c3 is realistically achievable by most player provided they have to swipe for a bit of cash, in other words it's a bait. A very tempting one at that. And well, c6 is but a dreamer and whale territory. No f2p/low spender will go for it unless they are dedicated and willing to skip a lot of characters. Their strat worked because for the past three years, Raiden's banner has been doing good in terms of revenue due to people still chasing that c2/c3. It has slowed a bit now but that's fine because hoyo has another cash grab banners in the names of Furina, Arlecchino, and Neuvillete. Raiden already served her purpose. Sorry this was unnecessarily long lol.
C2 Kinich wins. Objectively speaking, he can dish out consistent 300k cannon shots during his skill duration. C2 Raiden has onetime bigtime slash and the normals are kinda meh. Powercreep is real
@@earthorigin8212ofc she can still clear easily, they were talking about damage per second/rotation, after all she’s an archon she won’t get power creeped easily
Raiden as onfield dps sucks at c0 you need 1million CV artifacts to make her do damage. While with kinicj you ca settle with cope artifacts and one pyro team mate and perform better tha c0 raiden.
you don't know what you're talking about. Less than 200 cdmg on kinich is underinvested. Just as raiden gets tons of dmg% from her set, passive and BiS+ascension stat indirectly, kinich gets a lot of cr from his set and BiS. He always needs a cdmg crown, which once added to his ascension stat gives him a base 150 cdmg. On the other hand, he lacks dmg% sources, hence furina being a better buffer than bennett for him currently (and probably why either mavuika or pmc with 4p SHCC will do a fine job with him, unless a better set releases by then...)
this is their most optimal and realistic build, why dont you say that raiden has 300 er but kinich only 100something? But you probably a newbie so thats okay
@rsatriasuryacandra23 mf I've been playing since 1.3 lmao also ER doesn't help Kinich at all unlike Raiden but even so 325 ER is dog shit compared to around 200 crit dmg on Raiden
@@alexandrulupusor3969 keep lying boy, if youre an old player you should know that >200 cdm with 70+ cr on raiden is unrealistic, given that her weapon and ascension is ER
use chevreuse instead of kazuha for raiden, after xilonen release kazuha is optional, if the enemy need grouping is ok use kazuha if not he is useless and waste your team slot. c6cev>c2kazuha>c0cev>c0kazuha(for raiden buffer)
@@4..x yes my bad, c2 kazuha only boost em, basically dps who don't really need dmg from element reaction get no benefit at all. but people always showcasing every dps with kazuha as if he is the best buffer for all dps. lol
@@Franceee___ Well you can clearly see that he has no food buff in the showcases and saw some people think this is a private server where you can put that stuff in order to makes this content easier
You can easily achieve that if you've farmed enough on the new domain and luck. Considering the new artifact feature if his rolls went pretty well, he'll easily get 271 cdm. Plus a good off piece will make that possible too. Also his cdm will go up to 371% due to his C1 gives 100% cdm to his scalespiker cannon
Kinich is just better. Better damage. Better reactions. Better scaling. Better cons. Raiden is just bad after c2, requires sara, chev, benny to frontload at all, and damage falls off big time. EM for hyperbloom is just bad too. Her buffing for teams is only good for herself too
Idk whats going on with people making their whole personalities on internet about hating anything Raiden, but just curious why they don't do the same for other flop archons or pre 3.0 characters. Also saying pre c2 Raiden is bad when her dps ranges between 65k( which better than most dps's and kinich has around 70k at c0 and raiden is a support ) pre c2 is just immature.
@@banjoowo4001i have a c3 raiden and shes a monster.But at C0 shes mid asf.Aoe doesn't even better if the damage is low.And as for support I only have played her with EULA.Who else can she support?Fishcl takes most of her place
E then Q, E buffs sara ult then Q buffs raiden. Q then E is a waste of time because using Q and switch, raiden gets the buff regardless of using E or not.
@@ach6308 Videos of what? C0 raiden vs c0 Kinich videos? Raidn just get beat by almost any dps if she is c0 Clorinde herself if better dps than raiden even if both c0 c1 or c2
![KINICH vs 21 STRONGEST DPS !! F2P NUKE SHOWCASE [ Genshin Impact ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yuhTSeiMPoY/mqdefault.jpg)
I think its crazy how similar the damage is, considering the fact that raiden has kazuha, sara, and bennet supporting her and giving buffs, while kinich only has bennet giving attack buff and maybe dehya or emilie on deepwood. I feel like people are underestimating him and his future potential as well. Mualani already has a bunch of cracked supports while kinich does not have as many since he is dendro and relies in burning which currently is really niche and he still does almost around the same as her. I DO THINK MUALANI IS REALLY GOOD DONT GET ME WRONG i think that it is a little unfair to compare them as of right now(i know this video wasn’t about comparing kinich and mualani but in general😭). Here’s hoping mavuika and future characters will come out and be able to buff him and and the burning reaction in maybe a way that cheveruse does. Also i hope i get kinich too💚💚
Good luck,you are right
You were answering all the possible dumbs replies to your comment lol
How cute
MY c2 kinich did 520k with bennette only
Blud you forgot, kinnich in single target until C6. Raiden C2 is much stronger because of AOE
Im very hesitant to pull for kinich or raiden c2. Kinich although does do lots of damage, im not sure if he's fully worth getting. Im not sure if him and mauvika could work on the same team or if mauvika is gonna be a unit similar to arlecchino. Im not fully sure about what she gonna be like as a unit since not many characters at all can use the new cinder city artifact set so im not sure if her role is to make that set useful or be another arlecchino clone who can solo any 100 lvl boss in the game.
As for raiden c2, im not even sure if that's even worth getting. Raiden tends to easily one shot any enemy that isn't super tanky and she stills does well against bosses but is c2 raiden worth it that much? I already have c0r1 clorinde (60% crit rate without her talent buff, 253% crit damage) and ik my c1r1 raiden (68% crit rate, 155% crit damage) easily gets outperformed by clorinde. Im not sure if that's gonna change if i get raiden c2 mostly since raiden isn't exactly a traditional DPS like clorinde is and idk if raiden's usefulness is more than my clorinde's usefulness.
Who's pulling for kinich today? 🎮🦖💚
Tomorrow for me 😭😭
@@pride7052 😭😭 are you on america server? I think they're always the latest ones to update 😞🥲
@@melondino-s4r latest or last
I already have emilie i will try my 50-50 on him
@@F2Pzone-X2 will baizhu work instead of emilie? i dont have her or nahida
Raiden is kinda outdated as a main dps in my opinion. She needs C2 to perform on the same level as regular C0 dps characters
Because she wasn’t only meant to be an hypercarry, she’s an archon after all
she wasn't meant to be a main dps but a sub dps at c0/c1. And just like any other sub dps, you have the option to turn them into a main DPS by unlocking their cons mostly at c6. Originally, Raiden's c2 was also meant to be c6 but hoyo made a wise decision to switch them because they know that Raiden is a popular character so her sales potential could even be bigger if they gave her power spike on her early cons. Getting c1-c3 is realistically achievable by most player provided they have to swipe for a bit of cash, in other words it's a bait. A very tempting one at that. And well, c6 is but a dreamer and whale territory. No f2p/low spender will go for it unless they are dedicated and willing to skip a lot of characters.
Their strat worked because for the past three years, Raiden's banner has been doing good in terms of revenue due to people still chasing that c2/c3. It has slowed a bit now but that's fine because hoyo has another cash grab banners in the names of Furina, Arlecchino, and Neuvillete. Raiden already served her purpose.
Sorry this was unnecessarily long lol.
Bc she’s not meant to be solely a dps…
@@typh2630 why do you think I added the “as a main dps” 💀
@@Franceee___ why do you think I added the “as a main dps” 💀
A long battle will be in Kinich's favor.
Me have c2 kinich and c3 raiden, Thank God love them both
0:06 Emilies voice blended PERFECTLY with the audio. Thought she was using autotune 🤣🤣🤣
i prefer kinich cause the exploration and the damage...just make more comfortable to play
conclusion is:
godly artifacts and the archon bennett
C2 Kinich wins. Objectively speaking, he can dish out consistent 300k cannon shots during his skill duration. C2 Raiden has onetime bigtime slash and the normals are kinda meh. Powercreep is real
I prefer Raiden shogun.
She's a Queen 👑💖
kinich only need bennet and a deepwood user while raiden need 2839278391381 supports is crazy
she fits in multiple comps and can use virtually any buffer lol
Can you do c0 vs c0?
Kinich would most likely do more as raiden is usually viable as hypercarry at c2 or c3
@@silverplayer7502 finally who understands 🙏🏻
@@silverplayer7502 actually a well invested one without c2 can still clear abyss
@@earthorigin8212ofc she can still clear easily, they were talking about damage per second/rotation, after all she’s an archon she won’t get power creeped easily
Raiden as onfield dps sucks at c0 you need 1million CV artifacts to make her do damage. While with kinicj you ca settle with cope artifacts and one pyro team mate and perform better tha c0 raiden.
raiden without reaction and kinich with reaction that seems not fear
hyper raiden is the premiere raiden team if you have c2 no other team with any reaction can outperform it
You should get WL9 for showcases now =)
Raiden with 70 up crit rate, thats illegal 😂
Kinich has 80 CRIT rate, count the artifact set
podria sacar hasta 800 k con kinich c 2 y 3 tiros con esa cantidad
What goblet you use for raiden? Why you skip that part?
Why is bro bosses still lvl 90 💀💀
Ese Kinich fue nerfeado por el bien de la trama... Cómo puede ser que mi Kinich sin su arma ni constelaciones casi haga el mismo daño?
They also nerfed raiden cause she wasn't in her best team for her personal damage
Well thats just a lie, a c0 kinich will never do 400k without abyss buffs + food buffs
@@fly8668That's a lie.my kinich c0r1 with furina C2 and Bennet C6 easily do 350/400k outside abyss idk what type of weed you smoke.
@@set5026and he can shoot 4-5 time
Is no one going to talk about the huge difference in crit dmg. It’s like 130 crit dmg difference y’all d ride Kinich too much
you don't know what you're talking about. Less than 200 cdmg on kinich is underinvested.
Just as raiden gets tons of dmg% from her set, passive and BiS+ascension stat indirectly, kinich gets a lot of cr from his set and BiS. He always needs a cdmg crown, which once added to his ascension stat gives him a base 150 cdmg. On the other hand, he lacks dmg% sources, hence furina being a better buffer than bennett for him currently (and probably why either mavuika or pmc with 4p SHCC will do a fine job with him, unless a better set releases by then...)
@@moimeme3122 dooooon't care it's still unfair for the huge crit difference
this is their most optimal and realistic build, why dont you say that raiden has 300 er but kinich only 100something?
But you probably a newbie so thats okay
@rsatriasuryacandra23 mf I've been playing since 1.3 lmao also ER doesn't help Kinich at all unlike Raiden but even so 325 ER is dog shit compared to around 200 crit dmg on Raiden
@@alexandrulupusor3969 keep lying boy, if youre an old player you should know that >200 cdm with 70+ cr on raiden is unrealistic, given that her weapon and ascension is ER
Bro 324% ER is crazy
雷電の聖遺物頭おかしい、、、
isn't Chevreus better than kazuha for Raiden?
Yes
By 10% at c0 and 20-30% at c6
Definitely if C0-C2
Only at C6
@@TerraTheWise Even at C0, she is better in Overload team comp
use chevreuse instead of kazuha for raiden, after xilonen release kazuha is optional, if the enemy need grouping is ok use kazuha if not he is useless and waste your team slot.
c6cev>c2kazuha>c0cev>c0kazuha(for raiden buffer)
c2 kauzha is useless for raiden💀
bot chev c6 or c0 is still better than him
@@4..x yes my bad, c2 kazuha only boost em, basically dps who don't really need dmg from element reaction get no benefit at all. but people always showcasing every dps with kazuha as if he is the best buffer for all dps. lol
@@seth-eh4fpbc for a long time he was💀 it’s really not that hard to grasp
Ironic comparing
CARRY BASE C0 TO C2
SUPPORT SUBDPS C0 TO C2 CARRY SUPPORT 😂😂😂😂
🔥🔥
How many food buffs do u even need to reach 270 crit dmg with a crit rate weapon💀
No one? There is no food buff there
@@cesarmiranda9981 you’d need some very cracked artifacts to achieve that, and I doubt he’s already farmed the new domain that much
@@Franceee___ Well you can clearly see that he has no food buff in the showcases and saw some people think this is a private server where you can put that stuff in order to makes this content easier
@@cesarmiranda9981 Idk what numbers C2 kinich should deal. I could use the damage calculator but I don’t really feel like doing that shi😂
You can easily achieve that if you've farmed enough on the new domain and luck. Considering the new artifact feature if his rolls went pretty well, he'll easily get 271 cdm. Plus a good off piece will make that possible too. Also his cdm will go up to 371% due to his C1 gives 100% cdm to his scalespiker cannon
The real question is did he use a c6 kujou sara for this? Because if that is true then this is skewed in Raidens favour
U see yuuki ps (a private server) so it should be c6 sara
plsss do a main dps 4 piece obsidian xilonen showcasee i beggg(with f2p supports)
Kinich is just better.
Better damage.
Better reactions.
Better scaling.
Better cons.
Raiden is just bad after c2, requires sara, chev, benny to frontload at all, and damage falls off big time. EM for hyperbloom is just bad too. Her buffing for teams is only good for herself too
Better damage.
Worse reactions.
Better scaling.
Better cons.
Less teams.
Can't support.
Worse than his counterparts at release.
Idk whats going on with people making their whole personalities on internet about hating anything Raiden, but just curious why they don't do the same for other flop archons or pre 3.0 characters.
Also saying pre c2 Raiden is bad when her dps ranges between 65k( which better than most dps's and kinich has around 70k at c0 and raiden is a support ) pre c2 is just immature.
so we gonna ignore her AoE and versatility? She can fit into any teams meanwhile kinich is tied to burning/burgeon
Team flexibility you stoopid
@@banjoowo4001i have a c3 raiden and shes a monster.But at C0 shes mid asf.Aoe doesn't even better if the damage is low.And as for support I only have played her with EULA.Who else can she support?Fishcl takes most of her place
How to use sara ? E then Q, or Q then E ?
E then Q, E buffs sara ult then Q buffs raiden.
Q then E is a waste of time because using Q and switch, raiden gets the buff regardless of using E or not.
Raiden ei win cause u can use she dps and support and better dmg
Why tripple crown while no one uses na,s , such a waste of resource
whales don't care
@@muhammadalaaabulila6060 yo brain dead guy check out the channel's name 😂😂😂🫥
For completion
@@muhammadalaaabulila6060 whales? You do know a lot of players do it not only whales, including me and some of my friends
Cause this is a private server... Lmaooo
This is unfair your using kinich's best team but not hypercarry raidens best team
i think this is fair because kinich is lacking the pyro archon and other natlan characters since his passive relies on it
So what's best team for Raiden?
@@harrylinn69 chev c0 instead of Kazuha,
What do you mean? Isnt this the hypercarry raiden? Or am i doing her hypercarry wrong
@@rin8310C0-C6 Cherv
Bennett is the MVP
Meu kinich c2 bate 500k
So Kinich for damage Raiden for fan service
Apart from dmg, raiden also fills up the burst of the team
@@gautham6981Tell that to my Xiangling who's always halfway full
you can't compare an archon to a human omg
In dps? Kinich c0 leave raiden c0 crying in the floor
@@cesarmiranda9981 nah i saw videos
@@ach6308 Videos of what? C0 raiden vs c0 Kinich videos?
Raidn just get beat by almost any dps if she is c0
Clorinde herself if better dps than raiden even if both c0 c1 or c2
@@cesarmiranda9981 c0 raiden isn't a pure dps like kinich
@@banjoowo4001 And?
There's people who think even c0 raiden is one of the best dps in the game
Raiden is better
Kinich is good but one-time good.. he will be forgettable like Lyney
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u realize this is c2 raiden? C0 doesn’t even stand a chance + this isnt his complete best team
Talking about dps? Raiden is a granma with a cane called c2
And, kinich is lacking two important things in his best team Pyro archon/Natlan set buff