I have a quick question for Charlie: In this setup, how do you ensure that MIDI is only sent from the MacBook that is also sending audio? Or do both simply send at the same time? If that's the case how do your devices deal with these double program changes on stage?
@@eldowns Thanks for the quick reply. If I understand you correctly, both computers send MIDI simultaneously via RTP-MIDI to e.g. a mioXM on stage, which is e.g. connected to a Kemper Amp via DIN-MIDI to change presets. This means that the Kemper amp in this setup receives exactly the same MIDI message, e.g. a program change message, twice within a very short period of time. Do all devices cope with this or has there ever been a problem with these double commands?
The computer sends MIDI via the mio, which converts it to DIN, and is then sent to the Kemper. The Kemper can only accept DIN, so it’s impossible for it to receive 2 signals.
Have you ever checked out the Joeco Blackbox? No laptop needed, simple rack solution, built in failsafe with a second unit. Does playback pure & simple & doesn’t rely on computers to be connected up. Less flexible but rock solid.
I’m familiar with that unit, though I’ve never heard of anyone using it. The stability is a nice pro, but it comes with the massive con of not being able to quickly edit playback (like you said). It might be good if you’re in a cover band that plays (and has to play) songs exactly as they were originally arranged, but modern shows are a lot more involved and more often than not will change arrangements/programming as the show evolves.
Love the serie! I know is not the main theme of the video, but, I'm looking for building a budget playback/monitor rig with a Behringer XR18, but I'm afraid of the work of patching the ins for the rig and the FOH as well. Should I patch, for example, the entire drum mics, or just ask for the FOH to give me back L+R? Would be a sacrifice for the engineers to connect and disconnect the snakes if it's a festival with multiple bands? I've learned a lot with your videos. Thanks, man!
Yo Eric. Love the videos as always! Looking at upgrading to the 1U soon and had a question around redundancy. Along with audio, we are using light key for our lights. Do I need light key networked on a separate computer to have redundancy or am I able to have just an A and B computer running light key through the play audio? Trying to avoid running 3 Mac’s if possible.
I'll be honest - I don't know what LightKey is. But, I looked it up and it seems pretty nice. That said, I don't necessarily see a way you could run it redundantly, as it would need to essentially be taking signal from both computers with a failover method just like the PlayAUDIO.
@@eldownsright on. It was my thought as well. Even tho light key is external, we have it cueing lights through midi in Abe. Wanted to make sure that if I had it on both computers, both talking to ableton with the Playaudio, that it wasn’t possible. We run small and trying to avoid having to bring in an LD if everything is pre programmed already. Thanks for looking it up though! Will Doggett has worked with it a lot but never got into whether or not it works with redundancy.
Double rig!! What a treat. No pitch correction or (non FOH) vocal processing on this tour? Eric, are you using a loom for the PA1U outputs? Thanks for your insights as always :)
I’ve intentionally not used pitch correction with Benson - I feel that for a singer and music of his style, pitch correction just sanitizes the performance and removes the authenticity. I think when a singer is as good as he is and how prominent live tuning is these days, the occasional imperfections make his regular, excellent singing even more impressive. We are using a loom for the 1U. If you look closely at the rear closeup shot, you can see my should-be-patented loom organizer. ;)
Not really. Using one controller for both machines will keep them synced 99.9% of the time. You can also use a wired or wireless network to connect them and make sure they’re always deadlocked.
Great to see this series alive and well… and continually evolving! Long live the anatomy of a playback rig.
I have a quick question for Charlie:
In this setup, how do you ensure that MIDI is only sent from the MacBook that is also sending audio? Or do both simply send at the same time? If that's the case how do your devices deal with these double program changes on stage?
Oh, that sounds interesting, I also wondered how that works. 😊
The computers send both audio and MIDI simultaneously. The devices on stage are only receiving MIDI, so they only have to deal with one signal.
@@eldowns Thanks for the quick reply. If I understand you correctly, both computers send MIDI simultaneously via RTP-MIDI to e.g. a mioXM on stage, which is e.g. connected to a Kemper Amp via DIN-MIDI to change presets. This means that the Kemper amp in this setup receives exactly the same MIDI message, e.g. a program change message, twice within a very short period of time. Do all devices cope with this or has there ever been a problem with these double commands?
The computer sends MIDI via the mio, which converts it to DIN, and is then sent to the Kemper. The Kemper can only accept DIN, so it’s impossible for it to receive 2 signals.
2 legends!
Nice rigs and great video as always! Lots of good info and options. I'm sure this will help many out as they start creating their rigs.
Have you ever checked out the Joeco Blackbox? No laptop needed, simple rack solution, built in failsafe with a second unit. Does playback pure & simple & doesn’t rely on computers to be connected up. Less flexible but rock solid.
I’m familiar with that unit, though I’ve never heard of anyone using it. The stability is a nice pro, but it comes with the massive con of not being able to quickly edit playback (like you said). It might be good if you’re in a cover band that plays (and has to play) songs exactly as they were originally arranged, but modern shows are a lot more involved and more often than not will change arrangements/programming as the show evolves.
LETSGO ERIC!! More content on the sounds, backing vocals, demos and bts that you might have from these shows!🙌
Thank you for your videos Eric! Could you do an in-depth video on using SMPTE in your session and what the light engineer expects from you?
Yeah I think I could do one of those
Very cool! Love the video! I'm a big fan of Benson Boone
Come to the show!
Love the serie!
I know is not the main theme of the video, but, I'm looking for building a budget playback/monitor rig with a Behringer XR18, but I'm afraid of the work of patching the ins for the rig and the FOH as well.
Should I patch, for example, the entire drum mics, or just ask for the FOH to give me back L+R?
Would be a sacrifice for the engineers to connect and disconnect the snakes if it's a festival with multiple bands?
I've learned a lot with your videos. Thanks, man!
Hm, I’m not sure I completely understand. Can you explain with more specific detail?
Great vídeo, very insightful, thanks for sharing it with all of us!
Thanks for making these!
Awesome video!
Yo Eric. Love the videos as always! Looking at upgrading to the 1U soon and had a question around redundancy. Along with audio, we are using light key for our lights. Do I need light key networked on a separate computer to have redundancy or am I able to have just an A and B computer running light key through the play audio? Trying to avoid running 3 Mac’s if possible.
I'll be honest - I don't know what LightKey is. But, I looked it up and it seems pretty nice. That said, I don't necessarily see a way you could run it redundantly, as it would need to essentially be taking signal from both computers with a failover method just like the PlayAUDIO.
@@eldownsright on. It was my thought as well. Even tho light key is external, we have it cueing lights through midi in Abe. Wanted to make sure that if I had it on both computers, both talking to ableton with the Playaudio, that it wasn’t possible. We run small and trying to avoid having to bring in an LD if everything is pre programmed already. Thanks for looking it up though! Will Doggett has worked with it a lot but never got into whether or not it works with redundancy.
Bro!! Thanks for the video. Hope more are coming 😂❤
I’m working on a bunch more.
Double rig!! What a treat. No pitch correction or (non FOH) vocal processing on this tour? Eric, are you using a loom for the PA1U outputs? Thanks for your insights as always :)
I’ve intentionally not used pitch correction with Benson - I feel that for a singer and music of his style, pitch correction just sanitizes the performance and removes the authenticity. I think when a singer is as good as he is and how prominent live tuning is these days, the occasional imperfections make his regular, excellent singing even more impressive.
We are using a loom for the 1U. If you look closely at the rear closeup shot, you can see my should-be-patented loom organizer. ;)
Decent Charlie! 🙌🏻😎
Thanks guys.
Won’t be at the place where I can use two laptops but is it difficult to synch both computers?
Not really. Using one controller for both machines will keep them synced 99.9% of the time. You can also use a wired or wireless network to connect them and make sure they’re always deadlocked.
lol I wasn’t watching the video and for a moment I thought Harry Potter was breaking down the rig 😅
G'wan Charlie!
Can I be Benson's frend?