@@GregorSchill Well I mean remember that your Team has basically done the same. Your LMDH BS+Turner (basically P last) driving half throttle to give draft to BMW Bank car.
You taught everyone about the tire warming exploit, now you’re bringing much needed light to this. Thank you for your contributions to the sim racing community!
I love how Williams is the common denominator in every single clip. Then they get caught and go wah wah we have sponsors so we have to cheat it’s iRacing’s fault not ours. I know this is impossible but it would be really nice if they received a warning that their teams will not be allowed to run on iRacing if the behavior continues. This is a joke to not only sim racing but to their teams and brand.
This breaks all our balls, Pablo. Thank you for this video. As an average iRacer, I'll never be in a split with these guys. But cheating like this forces iRacing to dedicate resources to policing blatant cheating that we've previously just left to an honour system.
Absolutely top class video. Clear examples and a personal perspective. You are holding your peers accountable which is EXACTLY what we need to do. This video is not damaging. It’s not showing sim racing in a bad light. It is expressing the opinion of many of us watching. Thank you for taking the time to make this video in a constructive and non toxic way.
This was an extremely hard watch cause you did such a good job. This is truly embarrassing from every way I look at it. Absolute selfishness and entitlement from the Williams team. Even drivers in my rookie class races understand how blue flags work. So sad, I truly hope iRacing does SOMETHING
@@Thee_Snow_Wolf precisely. I’m pretty sure if you look up the exact code it’s only signaling that faster cars are approaching, but everyone knows in the maintenance of sportsmanship, you don’t ruin somebody’s else race by fighting for position when you’re down multiple laps. That’s what I meant by even rookie drivers adhere to that basic rule of thumb
@@Thee_Snow_Wolf Blue flag means you're being lapped. You don't HAVE to let the faster car pass. In F1 and other series with fast races is usually done out of sportmanship and/or your own advantage (the faster guy will overtake you anyway, so there's no reason to lose time with him, but focus on your race and the opponent you're currently fighting with). In endurance races you usually let them pass if you're alone, but since there are multiple classes of both drivers and/or cars, it's up to the leaders to choose when to overtake, since there will always be slower drivers/cars battling each other for position in their respective class. You can't ask them to give up just to let you pass. They will if possible, but if there's for example a huge battle between, let's say GT cars, a prototype car will have to choose carefully how to overtake.
@@Thee_Snow_Wolf Pretty sure theres no rule saying you have to let someone by with blue flags. Its just common curtesy. i just ask myself. What would i want them to do if i was the car behind.
I think it's gonna be just as embarrassing for them explaining to their beloved sponsors why everyone is tappin them off track in the future. Spot on for putting this under the spotlight. 👍
It's most likely those very same managers who are giving the instructions and encouraging their drivers to do this. I wonder if the several experienced drivers they recently departed with, were the ones that simply were not 'yes men' and couldn't be encouraged to behave like this.
Sounds accurate enough for successful racing veterans to help the rookie drivers on team orders. If you compare this kind of behavior to American football, the rookies are placeholders for the veterans on injured reserve so even if they display some skill, they still have to give up their position once the veteran can rejoin play
holy shit i only saw the quali lap, never even knew about the race shenanigans. Great video mate. You're one of the great voices of sim racing and I love that you're showing everyone all of this. And in case it wasn't clear enough, this is embarrassing for ANY team to do. Its just so much worse that it is a professional team.
I thought Jenson's comment is to calm the situation and give a neutral opinion, when you show he's the Williams' ambassador, it changes the equations... Thanks for this video Pablo!
@@torbinzix1 Being a champion has that effect on people where they don't look objectively at the actions of the drivers as they look up to them. Anyways, Jenson is just a lesser problem, he's just paid to do that and defend his employers and i wouldn't give a crap what he says or not as he's not involved in racing anymore. The Esports team on the other hand, the manager and drivers that accepted to do all that shite. JESUS CHRIST the audacity to defend their actions is beyond my belief.
Once again, we see that a video that is not "made by a creator" can be very very informative, with little entertainment value. Much praise to you Pablo for taking the time to make a video and raise the concerns to more than a few hundred people.
My jaw dropped a bit showing that lap car blocking and then wrecking out another competitor. To certain extent I think iRacing should acknowledge and punish with more then meaningless bands, but yelling at iRacing to do something doesn't fix the issue of bad sportsmanship at its core. We the community need to also take action to self police this bullshit the best we can, making it public like this video does amazingly, writing complaints to their sponsors, and event holders black listing these drivers from participating in future events (iracing or non-iracing related alike). I think that last one would be a huge one that would carry some weight I think (if the community holds these event holders accountable to do so that is!).
Williams Esports should be ashamed. I used to love Esports but how can anyone enjoy a competition where cheating this blatant goes effectively unpunished.
This is so embarassing for a professional team like williams. I would understand it a little if it was an amateur racer or something like that but this guys are paid to race and being such sore loosers and doing things which are not allowed is such a shame. No words, thanks for pointing this out pablo
Thanks for drawing attention to this. I've said for a long time that iRacing should have live stewards for special events for 1 or 2 broadcast top splits. It wouldn't cost much just for a split or two, and it would drastically improve the quality of the event both for the drivers and as an advertisement.
Thanks for putting this together, Pablo. Very important video IMO. People have to realize that there are consequences to their actions and that they are held accountable. From the official side as well as the rest of the community. And a well put, thoughtful response like this certainly helps.
Funny thing is there isn't any consequences, and there probably won't be. Spetz being banned is only a rumor and he has confirmed that his account is fine, Williams and their sponsors won't care because they get their names plastered everywhere and they will still have the results because iRacing cannot remove them after they are done.
The cheating is clearly planned within the entire team. They went into this race to cheat. If iRacing don't do something serious about this it won't stop.
Thanks for posting this Pablo, everything you said was spot on. I still can't get it over my head why when so many people pay so much money in not just content but a rolling subscription why the few major events they put on per year cannot be live marshalled. The whole event would be so much more successful if people had to worry about something other that x's towards a drive through. They push for realism but when you see things like this go on the whole realism goes out of the window.
This is so on point, thank you for illustrating this. I watched a few hours of this race on Jimmie Broadbent’s stream, but I would have never known this was happening. Williams should be ashamed, and should voluntarily withdraw from the 2023 sim racing season, sack their entire team, and start fresh in 2024. This is beyond embarrassing.
Thanks for making this video. If these bad actors are not called out for cheating, then they get away with no or minimal consequences and others will not be discouraged from doing the same. That intentional wreck was particularly awful. Those drivers are very skilled and know when and how to give another car a push without turning them.
The utilization of a lapped driver reminds me of a case in Barcelona Olympics, where a lapped runner helped his teammate against his rival for the win. While, because of how rules were setup, the guy who was helped kept the gold in the end (While being booed by the whole stadium), it brought about a change in official rules, where assistance of this manner is not allowed.
As someone who has been iRacing for 12 years, this breaks my heart. I'm glad you made the video, as one can not break the rules and say it's just a game, but then use the "Game" to gain clout for the victory.
Someone needs to get this video to Dale Jr. he’s one of iRacing’s biggest spokesman/investors. Have him address it on his podcast. He usually takes a fair and unbiased stance on things. Curious to see what he thinks of this.
Thanks for taking the time to highlight this. Extremely disappointing to see such poor sportsmanship from a professional esports team. And basically admitting that they will go to any length just to win.
pablo i dont watch many of your streams and only see clips of you racing but this is somthing that needed to be brought to everyones attention. Its just like spa 24 last year, crazy how these are the top teams and there are willing to cheat. Even though you are not a youtuber, this video was great quality thank you
The video is of exceptional quality and provides clear examples with a personal perspective. The creator is holding their peers accountable, which is crucial for the growth and improvement of the sim racing community. The video does not negatively portray sim racing and instead expresses the opinions of many viewers. Thank you for creating this video in a constructive and non-toxic manner.
dude, I don't race in iRacing, but from time to time I tune in to see what's going on, because it's the defacto platform that somewhat represents our small community. seeing this shit just fucking infuriates me. Unacceptable behavior for rookies, let alone the fking Williams eSports team. Not sure why iRacing can't just come in and say "yeah, clear lack of sportsmanship, get fucked, you get DQed". great job on the video, and thank you for shedding light into this.
This is 100% on the Integrity of iRacing as a series. Something could have been done about this but they chose not to that's on iRacing they're allowing this.
As someone who exists outside of the simracing community but still has interest in it, my view on the whole thing is as follows: Quali scandal: Spetz clearly went against publicly known rules that sadly have no in game enforcement. The correct way of dealing with this issue should've been, as Button mentioned, deletion of the time set using the unfair advantage. Seeing as this event didn't have stewards, this didn't happen and it is a flaw of the game for not having any enforcement of said rule within the sporting code. Is the ban justified? I'm not the right person to judge on that, so I will hold my peace on that. Teammate blocking: Using a teammate (lap down or not) to gain advantages in the form of slipstream is all fine by me. Using them to actively block while on the same lap is okay, depending on the severity of the blocking. Anything beyond that is worthy of a black flag/DSQ for the teammate. What was shown in the video was way beyond even DSQ and worthy of race bans. Not only were they not on the same lap, they actively tried to put the car in a position to make it happen. That in it self is basically equivalent to match-fixing in any other sport. That is worthy of a permanent ban from competition for the whole team with similar bans to those individually involved. Those driving the lead car may or may not have been part/aware of the plans, so that would need some investigation to figure out if they deserve the individual permanent ban or not. All in all, this has put simracing in a bad light once again. I'm not sure what to think about the Button involvement though. It's impossible to tell for me if he knew exactly what had transpired. If he had full knowledge of both incidents, he is definitely talking as a Williams representitive. If he had no knowledge about the second part I mentioned, he may have been talking from his own experience based on real life racing. That is not entirely comparable though, which puts him in a bad spot as well. I hope this whole ordeal gets properly dealt with. For the sake of iRacing and for the sake of Sim racing as a whole
Great video pablo! I know you stated not to expect a quality video because your not a youtuber, but this is edited pretty damn well. Good job all around mate. Very informative and clear to see the cheating others are doing. Thank you for this upload!
To add to this if you comment anything negative, they block you, I commented on the twitter post of them celebrating the win saying “this isn’t looking good for sim racing” and got blocked, so they know what they did is wrong but trying to run from it now
Congratulations on the video. I didn't think that Williams' attitude during the 24 hours had been so embarrassing, I thought it was just the qualy, however, the qualy was the least shameful part of the race.
"Don't expect quality video because as you know I'm not a youtuber but I will do my best, okay?" ngl that's pretty wholesome. Dont worry about that, doesn't matter how good your cake looks compared to another cake, other people will just go "Ohh more cake!" Thanks for the video.
The thing that angers me the most is the Button comment. Like the guy that had to listen to rules his whole life and only won a chapionship with questionably legal car, is talking about how you can break the rules if there is noone watching. Like cheating without anyone noticing is still cheating and against the rules.
I'm glad you put this out. I knew about the qualifying issue, but had no idea about the blocking with a lapped car. That is MUCH worse. No sports league that wants to be the slightest bit legitimate can allow that kind of behavior to go unpunished.
Thank you for doing this. If you ever catch heat from iRacing please share that as well. They need to step their game up. Perhaps paying people to run a legit race control for special events like this?
If i was the Urano car i would have had my sweet revenge next corner, no drama or childish rage, just a slight tap, enough to send him into the wall 😂 Thx Pablo for making this video
You did a great job pointing out things like that. It's so embarrassing to see team that seems to be the most serious showing that much disrespect for the other simracers. Thanks for the video!
Not all heroes wear capes! Thank you Pablo. The only certainty we have is that if no one shows what you did, then for sure nothing will change. So thank you, from an amateur sim racer!
Gracia Pablo por el vídeo, cómo decís muchísima gente no estaba al tanto de la estrategia que el equipo Williams utilizo con los GT3, para mí eso es peor que la vuelta de clasificación, u para la empeorar las cosas, la justificación que intento Williams cuando todo esto comenzó a hacerse público y luego los pist que suben festejando el triunfo y podium en las dos clases. Sos un grande...
Thank you for this, Pablo. Just because you can do something technically doesn't mean you should do it morally. The spirit of the rules and the limits of the track should be respected.
Its called integrity. And that shit's in short supply these days. It's the same as stealing. Williams teams are out there picking peoples fucking pockets, and there's no accountability.
Watching this video reminds of why I don't use IRacing for my Sim Racing needs. This kind of crap has to be looked into and corrected. Professional / Sportsmanship is an absolute must.
This is a complete joke. How shamelessly they do this and then brag about winning dirty. This sort of behavior should definetly be punished with lifelong bans, if you drive like this you are actively sabotaging the competition, Going against the sports spirit and cheat your way to victory. Lifelong bans are the only punishment these guys are going to understand.
We need stewards and the teams also should get a guy on the pit wall to communicate with the stewards. Just like in real life. To immediately deal with the situations.
I am glad you made the video and 100% agree with you. And all honesty I have just been sim racing for a short bit and really liked how William's supported esports and backed the racing and all the advertisements put out like trying g to help and grow the sport. Was really trying to get better and faster so one day I might be able to send something to them and have a hope of joining a real team and try to help out. After seeing this if this is how they want their drivers to behave and drive I would be ashamed and stop. Keep up the great work you do and can only hope it gets better before worse
With videos like this and with the community engaged is how we can at least try to make positive changes. Really glad this video blew up and found it in my recommendations tab and I find your youtube videos really good, maybe you're not a conventional "youtuber" but for sure you know how to make a good video that will keep people watching.
Vine por Heikki y tienes todo mi apoyo. No serás youtuber, pero lo has mostrado a la perfección. Espero que se solucione o se tomen mas medidas por el bien de la competición justa.
Full respect Pablo for releasing this video. You've got the heart and the courage to do the right thing. Why not ban the whole Williams brand from racing in iRacing forever? Those drivers did this on command of the team manager(s). But you know what, iRacing will not clash with Williams, that's for sure. It's only a 3 day wonder in their perspective.
Great video, such a shame that a pro team would even consider allowing this to happen. But having no live stewards for a top split race baffles me, really hope it gets addressed and dealt with accordingly and make sure something like this doesn't happen again.
I Racing need to step up and raise the game - people will break any rules not upheld by the organisers and I’m sure some are put under pressure to do it. Thanks Pablo , good job man
Pablo, muchas gracias por exponer esto, que es una vergüenza... En una comunidad tan "pequeña" como es el simracing tenemos que hacer lo posible para que crezca, y no estas tonterías que matan la escena competitiva de eSports, que es lo que hace a muchos juegos ser grandes.
it will be interesting to know what companys / sponsors like benq think to this behavior in the qualifiying and on the track…. if i am a sponsor i wouldnt be happy about that!! @Pablo nice Video!!
An important and well-said video Pablo, now we can only hope iRacing steps up and enforces a harsher penalty against Williams Esports, so that we can see some integrity back in all of this!
Great video, thanks for putting this together. This is a shock to see. I know that it's competitive obviously, but when the other teams spend months practicing and following the rules, this makes this a joke. iRacing NEED to be proactive with sorting this mess out for the integrity of future special events.
Pablo I love your streams and I really like the content you provide. THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO, we need to expose this to the public as iRacing cannot keep making the same mistake, specially for big events and now that there can be opportunities for iRacing to have more of them (given the fiasco with rFactor 2 and the Le Mans event). Keep it up Pablo TRIPLE CAUTION STAY CENTER! 1luv from an Iberian to another.
Thanks for your video this has put Williams Esports to shame, I only thought it was quali but this is just not right. Thank you for standing up to the brands!! You have my full support!!
I feel your pain! Thank you so much for putting together this video and pointing out the things that happened. I think it is very important to point out this issues, I am only afraid Williams and it's Sponors actually like the additional media coverage based on "there is no bad advertisement". For there is and especially all the people/driver/decision making people involved - shame on them. There is winning and winning, you win by cheating and doing stuff like that, and there is a Gentleman way to do things. This was not. Probably it is necessary to have additional rules in place for special events like this. Even without live racing commission (which should be in place at least for such top split), final, official race results could be corrected post race when there is good reason to do so...
Very good video Pablo thanks 🙂 I had learn a lot from you. It is embarrassing and unprofessional to see these things at this level. You have clearly explained some issues in iracing. Thanks for your contributions
Thank you for doing this! You are probably the only one criticising because you love the sport. Unfortunately our sport is a dumpster fire at the moment. „E-sportification“ is destroying every aspect of simracing.
Pablo no puedo ni creerme este video, estoy conmocionado como encima se pueden resguardar en que lo hacían por los sponsors... Williams una Scudería con tanta historia y un fundador ejemplar como fué Frank Williams que pensaría.... sin palabras, lo siento por vuestra carrera amigo.
Thank you. It's about time that the highest level of iRacing gets legitimate stewarding for special events. High-level teams need to show a better example to everyone. Great video!
No warning or whatever, this deserves a season ban for the drivers and whoever manufactured this disgraceful scummy behaviour. Iracing has to set a precedent and adequately punish to set an example.
Pablo, I've seen you in many highlight videos, most of the time raging about other drivers. First thought was, you are an funny, angry dude, but in fact, I think you got the heart on the right place and fight for fair, clean simracing as no other in streaming cosmos. this is a shame for an professional team and damages the image of simracing. Teams are preparing to this events weeks and months, and those eSport guys come in and do that kind of stuff to "keep their sponsors". well, then go away of simracing with the sponsors and let us do our passionated thing we all love so much. thank you very much Pablo for sorting this situations over the daytona weekend, let's hope it will be better in the future. keep doing your thing, see you on track 👍
Iracing should introduce a steward system that allows users to steward. Users should have so sit a test type thing, and like irating, they should be judged by all the drivers in the session to determine how trustworthy they are. Stewards could be randomly assigned sessions so they can’t cheat for their teammates. It’s an idea at least
This video was needed for simracing. Now we know our "hero". Perfectly shows how Williams in iRacing goes DOWN. I see qualy and blocking on stream, but found new here about towing teammate and, WTF????, crashing competitor for their teammates. What is wrong with people... Button is terrible to trying to say that everything is fine. p.s. i hope they all be banned for long time, all this 3 teams. I don't have personally hate for anyone, but summary, it is look disgracefull.
Good work Pablo. Williams eSports should be ashamed and embarrassed. Doing it for their sponsors? All they've done is associate cheating with these brands. Their partners should dump them.
This is just insane, I thought that quali was only thing happening but looking at Pablo video... wow. No words.
It' s so sad..
@@GregorSchill Well I mean remember that your Team has basically done the same. Your LMDH BS+Turner (basically P last) driving half throttle to give draft to BMW Bank car.
Its what happens when money becomes a prize in a game
@@mustangroadracer I dont even think this race is for money
@@mustangroadracer ahh true
100% agree. Williams eSports should recieve a warning at a minimum. iRacing needs to step up and take a stand, but they never do.
Warning does nothing. One month vacation to their drivers send message.
just ban the entire Williams esports team for 6 months. just be done with it. iracing shouldn't have to spend time to deal with these clowns.
DSQ from this years races....easy
geez is WIlliams good at ANYTHING lol
If they pulled that shit on redline, you can be sure they would be DQ'd for next years race.
You taught everyone about the tire warming exploit, now you’re bringing much needed light to this. Thank you for your contributions to the sim racing community!
I love how Williams is the common denominator in every single clip. Then they get caught and go wah wah we have sponsors so we have to cheat it’s iRacing’s fault not ours. I know this is impossible but it would be really nice if they received a warning that their teams will not be allowed to run on iRacing if the behavior continues. This is a joke to not only sim racing but to their teams and brand.
This breaks all our balls, Pablo. Thank you for this video.
As an average iRacer, I'll never be in a split with these guys. But cheating like this forces iRacing to dedicate resources to policing blatant cheating that we've previously just left to an honour system.
Absolutely top class video. Clear examples and a personal perspective. You are holding your peers accountable which is EXACTLY what we need to do. This video is not damaging. It’s not showing sim racing in a bad light. It is expressing the opinion of many of us watching. Thank you for taking the time to make this video in a constructive and non toxic way.
This was an extremely hard watch cause you did such a good job. This is truly embarrassing from every way I look at it. Absolute selfishness and entitlement from the Williams team. Even drivers in my rookie class races understand how blue flags work. So sad, I truly hope iRacing does SOMETHING
how do blue flags work in iracing?
Do blue flags in iRacing work like F1 or literally every other series?
@@Thee_Snow_Wolf precisely. I’m pretty sure if you look up the exact code it’s only signaling that faster cars are approaching, but everyone knows in the maintenance of sportsmanship, you don’t ruin somebody’s else race by fighting for position when you’re down multiple laps. That’s what I meant by even rookie drivers adhere to that basic rule of thumb
@@Thee_Snow_Wolf Blue flag means you're being lapped. You don't HAVE to let the faster car pass. In F1 and other series with fast races is usually done out of sportmanship and/or your own advantage (the faster guy will overtake you anyway, so there's no reason to lose time with him, but focus on your race and the opponent you're currently fighting with). In endurance races you usually let them pass if you're alone, but since there are multiple classes of both drivers and/or cars, it's up to the leaders to choose when to overtake, since there will always be slower drivers/cars battling each other for position in their respective class. You can't ask them to give up just to let you pass. They will if possible, but if there's for example a huge battle between, let's say GT cars, a prototype car will have to choose carefully how to overtake.
@@Thee_Snow_Wolf Pretty sure theres no rule saying you have to let someone by with blue flags. Its just common curtesy. i just ask myself. What would i want them to do if i was the car behind.
I think it's gonna be just as embarrassing for them explaining to their beloved sponsors why everyone is tappin them off track in the future.
Spot on for putting this under the spotlight. 👍
it's sad that team managers are talking this up instead of stopping their drivers from doing this shit
It's most likely those very same managers who are giving the instructions and encouraging their drivers to do this. I wonder if the several experienced drivers they recently departed with, were the ones that simply were not 'yes men' and couldn't be encouraged to behave like this.
🤑 you know
Exactly. Says a lot.
Sounds accurate enough for successful racing veterans to help the rookie drivers on team orders. If you compare this kind of behavior to American football, the rookies are placeholders for the veterans on injured reserve so even if they display some skill, they still have to give up their position once the veteran can rejoin play
I’m actually surprised the drivers follow these orders or agree with them, I assumed most racers at this level had great respect for the sport
holy shit i only saw the quali lap, never even knew about the race shenanigans. Great video mate. You're one of the great voices of sim racing and I love that you're showing everyone all of this. And in case it wasn't clear enough, this is embarrassing for ANY team to do. Its just so much worse that it is a professional team.
I thought Jenson's comment is to calm the situation and give a neutral opinion, when you show he's the Williams' ambassador, it changes the equations... Thanks for this video Pablo!
Yeah Jenson has gone right down in my estimations….
@@richardsracingmad you only realised he's a bit of a weasel?
That drivers championship seems to have blinded folks
@@torbinzix1 Being a champion has that effect on people where they don't look objectively at the actions of the drivers as they look up to them. Anyways, Jenson is just a lesser problem, he's just paid to do that and defend his employers and i wouldn't give a crap what he says or not as he's not involved in racing anymore. The Esports team on the other hand, the manager and drivers that accepted to do all that shite. JESUS CHRIST the audacity to defend their actions is beyond my belief.
Button is a weasel…don’t buy the underdog nice guy act.
Once again, we see that a video that is not "made by a creator" can be very very informative, with little entertainment value. Much praise to you Pablo for taking the time to make a video and raise the concerns to more than a few hundred people.
My jaw dropped a bit showing that lap car blocking and then wrecking out another competitor. To certain extent I think iRacing should acknowledge and punish with more then meaningless bands, but yelling at iRacing to do something doesn't fix the issue of bad sportsmanship at its core. We the community need to also take action to self police this bullshit the best we can, making it public like this video does amazingly, writing complaints to their sponsors, and event holders black listing these drivers from participating in future events (iracing or non-iracing related alike). I think that last one would be a huge one that would carry some weight I think (if the community holds these event holders accountable to do so that is!).
Jenson Button really about to defend buddy waiting on pit out 🤣🤣😭
ambassador doing his thing 🤮
Williams Esports should be ashamed. I used to love Esports but how can anyone enjoy a competition where cheating this blatant goes effectively unpunished.
This is so embarassing for a professional team like williams. I would understand it a little if it was an amateur racer or something like that but this guys are paid to race and being such sore loosers and doing things which are not allowed is such a shame. No words, thanks for pointing this out pablo
Thanks for drawing attention to this. I've said for a long time that iRacing should have live stewards for special events for 1 or 2 broadcast top splits. It wouldn't cost much just for a split or two, and it would drastically improve the quality of the event both for the drivers and as an advertisement.
Thanks for putting this together, Pablo. Very important video IMO.
People have to realize that there are consequences to their actions and that they are held accountable. From the official side as well as the rest of the community.
And a well put, thoughtful response like this certainly helps.
Funny thing is there isn't any consequences, and there probably won't be.
Spetz being banned is only a rumor and he has confirmed that his account is fine, Williams and their sponsors won't care because they get their names plastered everywhere and they will still have the results because iRacing cannot remove them after they are done.
Thanks for speaking out, Pablo!
Always appreciated.
U got my prime for the entire 2023 for ur courage making this video to make our comunity better. Cheers Pablito...by Pedro_avbr
Same! Thanks for the great idea. I'm not much on Twitch but do have Prime, hope it helps in some small way PabloGz205!
The cheating is clearly planned within the entire team. They went into this race to cheat. If iRacing don't do something serious about this it won't stop.
Thanks for posting this Pablo, everything you said was spot on.
I still can't get it over my head why when so many people pay so much money in not just content but a rolling subscription why the few major events they put on per year cannot be live marshalled. The whole event would be so much more successful if people had to worry about something other that x's towards a drive through.
They push for realism but when you see things like this go on the whole realism goes out of the window.
This is so on point, thank you for illustrating this. I watched a few hours of this race on Jimmie Broadbent’s stream, but I would have never known this was happening. Williams should be ashamed, and should voluntarily withdraw from the 2023 sim racing season, sack their entire team, and start fresh in 2024. This is beyond embarrassing.
Thanks for making this video. If these bad actors are not called out for cheating, then they get away with no or minimal consequences and others will not be discouraged from doing the same. That intentional wreck was particularly awful. Those drivers are very skilled and know when and how to give another car a push without turning them.
The utilization of a lapped driver reminds me of a case in Barcelona Olympics, where a lapped runner helped his teammate against his rival for the win. While, because of how rules were setup, the guy who was helped kept the gold in the end (While being booed by the whole stadium), it brought about a change in official rules, where assistance of this manner is not allowed.
It’s insane that they could do this and play this dirty, and still get a good result. An absolute shame.
Drivers get a lap deleted if you cut the course by accident but when you do it BY DESIGN it is diff and demonstrates a huge lake of sportsmanship.
As someone who has been iRacing for 12 years, this breaks my heart. I'm glad you made the video, as one can not break the rules and say it's just a game, but then use the "Game" to gain clout for the victory.
Good video pablo, its not complaining standing up for fair high level competition.
iRacing needs to be able to stop these rule violations in the race
Someone needs to get this video to Dale Jr. he’s one of iRacing’s biggest spokesman/investors. Have him address it on his podcast. He usually takes a fair and unbiased stance on things. Curious to see what he thinks of this.
You are a youtuber its great video , good sound , clear , to the point , nice face cam , clear talking 10/10 keep up the good work :)
This video will change the trajectory of sim racing forever.
Thanks all to one man.
Thanks for taking the time to highlight this. Extremely disappointing to see such poor sportsmanship from a professional esports team. And basically admitting that they will go to any length just to win.
Very well laid out explanation 🖖. The hero of the streets
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pablo i dont watch many of your streams and only see clips of you racing but this is somthing that needed to be brought to everyones attention. Its just like spa 24 last year, crazy how these are the top teams and there are willing to cheat. Even though you are not a youtuber, this video was great quality thank you
The video is of exceptional quality and provides clear examples with a personal perspective. The creator is holding their peers accountable, which is crucial for the growth and improvement of the sim racing community. The video does not negatively portray sim racing and instead expresses the opinions of many viewers. Thank you for creating this video in a constructive and non-toxic manner.
dude, I don't race in iRacing, but from time to time I tune in to see what's going on, because it's the defacto platform that somewhat represents our small community. seeing this shit just fucking infuriates me. Unacceptable behavior for rookies, let alone the fking Williams eSports team. Not sure why iRacing can't just come in and say "yeah, clear lack of sportsmanship, get fucked, you get DQed".
great job on the video, and thank you for shedding light into this.
This is 100% on the Integrity of iRacing as a series.
Something could have been done about this but they chose not to that's on iRacing they're allowing this.
Facts
Great analysis and the evidence is overwhelming. There is no word for such cheating and mentality! 🤮🤮🤮🤮
As someone who exists outside of the simracing community but still has interest in it, my view on the whole thing is as follows:
Quali scandal:
Spetz clearly went against publicly known rules that sadly have no in game enforcement. The correct way of dealing with this issue should've been, as Button mentioned, deletion of the time set using the unfair advantage. Seeing as this event didn't have stewards, this didn't happen and it is a flaw of the game for not having any enforcement of said rule within the sporting code. Is the ban justified? I'm not the right person to judge on that, so I will hold my peace on that.
Teammate blocking:
Using a teammate (lap down or not) to gain advantages in the form of slipstream is all fine by me. Using them to actively block while on the same lap is okay, depending on the severity of the blocking. Anything beyond that is worthy of a black flag/DSQ for the teammate. What was shown in the video was way beyond even DSQ and worthy of race bans.
Not only were they not on the same lap, they actively tried to put the car in a position to make it happen. That in it self is basically equivalent to match-fixing in any other sport. That is worthy of a permanent ban from competition for the whole team with similar bans to those individually involved. Those driving the lead car may or may not have been part/aware of the plans, so that would need some investigation to figure out if they deserve the individual permanent ban or not.
All in all, this has put simracing in a bad light once again. I'm not sure what to think about the Button involvement though. It's impossible to tell for me if he knew exactly what had transpired. If he had full knowledge of both incidents, he is definitely talking as a Williams representitive. If he had no knowledge about the second part I mentioned, he may have been talking from his own experience based on real life racing. That is not entirely comparable though, which puts him in a bad spot as well.
I hope this whole ordeal gets properly dealt with. For the sake of iRacing and for the sake of Sim racing as a whole
Great video pablo! I know you stated not to expect a quality video because your not a youtuber, but this is edited pretty damn well. Good job all around mate. Very informative and clear to see the cheating others are doing. Thank you for this upload!
Absolute shambles. What an embarrassment for sim racing.
pablo, thank you for speaking out about this, this type of behavior by the team in the video is shameful and they should respond and apologize.
To add to this if you comment anything negative, they block you, I commented on the twitter post of them celebrating the win saying “this isn’t looking good for sim racing” and got blocked, so they know what they did is wrong but trying to run from it now
Congratulations on the video. I didn't think that Williams' attitude during the 24 hours had been so embarrassing, I thought it was just the qualy, however, the qualy was the least shameful part of the race.
let's all like this video and share it to get the word out there. Really unacceptable, not only for a pro E-sports team but for everyone.
"Don't expect quality video because as you know I'm not a youtuber but I will do my best, okay?"
ngl that's pretty wholesome. Dont worry about that, doesn't matter how good your cake looks compared to another cake, other people will just go "Ohh more cake!"
Thanks for the video.
The thing that angers me the most is the Button comment. Like the guy that had to listen to rules his whole life and only won a chapionship with questionably legal car, is talking about how you can break the rules if there is noone watching. Like cheating without anyone noticing is still cheating and against the rules.
I'm glad you put this out. I knew about the qualifying issue, but had no idea about the blocking with a lapped car. That is MUCH worse. No sports league that wants to be the slightest bit legitimate can allow that kind of behavior to go unpunished.
Thank you for doing this. If you ever catch heat from iRacing please share that as well. They need to step their game up. Perhaps paying people to run a legit race control for special events like this?
If i was the Urano car i would have had my sweet revenge next corner, no drama or childish rage, just a slight tap, enough to send him into the wall 😂 Thx Pablo for making this video
You did a great job pointing out things like that. It's so embarrassing to see team that seems to be the most serious showing that much disrespect for the other simracers. Thanks for the video!
Not all heroes wear capes! Thank you Pablo. The only certainty we have is that if no one shows what you did, then for sure nothing will change. So thank you, from an amateur sim racer!
Great video, the only issue I have is jensen was only talking about the quali lap not the other stuff. Ty for making this video ❤
Extremely good points, glad you made this video as I didn't know how much bullshit went on during this event. Thanks for spending time making this
Gracia Pablo por el vídeo, cómo decís muchísima gente no estaba al tanto de la estrategia que el equipo Williams utilizo con los GT3, para mí eso es peor que la vuelta de clasificación, u para la empeorar las cosas, la justificación que intento Williams cuando todo esto comenzó a hacerse público y luego los pist que suben festejando el triunfo y podium en las dos clases.
Sos un grande...
Thank you for this, Pablo.
Just because you can do something technically doesn't mean you should do it morally. The spirit of the rules and the limits of the track should be respected.
Its called integrity. And that shit's in short supply these days. It's the same as stealing. Williams teams are out there picking peoples fucking pockets, and there's no accountability.
Pablo, you don't look like a clown for making this - this is great, thank you!
The clowns are the Williams team and Button.
Awesome stuff Pablo. I had no idea this sort of thing went on. Well done mate and good on you for standing up and not accepting it.
Don’t apologize for trying to elevate the integrity of sim racing. We all need to support these call-outs.
Watching this video reminds of why I don't use IRacing for my Sim Racing needs. This kind of crap has to be looked into and corrected. Professional / Sportsmanship is an absolute must.
This is a complete joke. How shamelessly they do this and then brag about winning dirty. This sort of behavior should definetly be punished with lifelong bans, if you drive like this you are actively sabotaging the competition, Going against the sports spirit and cheat your way to victory. Lifelong bans are the only punishment these guys are going to understand.
We need stewards and the teams also should get a guy on the pit wall to communicate with the stewards. Just like in real life.
To immediately deal with the situations.
Top split only where all the "glory" is involved for these teams.
This was a really good analysis and very well worded as well! I hope someone finally stands up to stop this behaviour...
I am glad you made the video and 100% agree with you. And all honesty I have just been sim racing for a short bit and really liked how William's supported esports and backed the racing and all the advertisements put out like trying g to help and grow the sport. Was really trying to get better and faster so one day I might be able to send something to them and have a hope of joining a real team and try to help out. After seeing this if this is how they want their drivers to behave and drive I would be ashamed and stop. Keep up the great work you do and can only hope it gets better before worse
giga video exposing the worst team on iracing. Truly is the saviour of sim racing 🖖
I understand being desperate to win, but there's a right way to win and a wrong way to win...
Thank you Pablo! You are a legend! You are the hero we needed to help simracing get better! You are not a youtuber but you did great job! Thank you!!
With videos like this and with the community engaged is how we can at least try to make positive changes. Really glad this video blew up and found it in my recommendations tab and I find your youtube videos really good, maybe you're not a conventional "youtuber" but for sure you know how to make a good video that will keep people watching.
necessary video, thank you Pablo 🖖
Vine por Heikki y tienes todo mi apoyo. No serás youtuber, pero lo has mostrado a la perfección. Espero que se solucione o se tomen mas medidas por el bien de la competición justa.
Full respect Pablo for releasing this video. You've got the heart and the courage to do the right thing.
Why not ban the whole Williams brand from racing in iRacing forever? Those drivers did this on command of the team manager(s).
But you know what, iRacing will not clash with Williams, that's for sure. It's only a 3 day wonder in their perspective.
I agree with you
Great video, such a shame that a pro team would even consider allowing this to happen. But having no live stewards for a top split race baffles me, really hope it gets addressed and dealt with accordingly and make sure something like this doesn't happen again.
I Racing need to step up and raise the game - people will break any rules not upheld by the organisers and I’m sure some are put under pressure to do it. Thanks Pablo , good job man
Thank you for all the insights provided Pablo, people like you is what this sport needs to truly evolve for the better 👍
Pablo, muchas gracias por exponer esto, que es una vergüenza... En una comunidad tan "pequeña" como es el simracing tenemos que hacer lo posible para que crezca, y no estas tonterías que matan la escena competitiva de eSports, que es lo que hace a muchos juegos ser grandes.
it will be interesting to know what companys / sponsors like benq think to this behavior in the qualifiying and on the track…. if i am a sponsor i wouldnt be happy about that!! @Pablo nice Video!!
An important and well-said video Pablo, now we can only hope iRacing steps up and enforces a harsher penalty against Williams Esports, so that we can see some integrity back in all of this!
Thank you for bringing this to light... You're English is really getting there!! Curse words are on point KEKW
Great video man ran into the same trouble few years back in the Logitech g challenge people exceeding track limits. Awesome videos as always.
Thank you so much for this explanation! I had no idea what was going on with Williams. Just a lot of angry tweets. Thanks!
Great video, thanks for putting this together. This is a shock to see. I know that it's competitive obviously, but when the other teams spend months practicing and following the rules, this makes this a joke. iRacing NEED to be proactive with sorting this mess out for the integrity of future special events.
Thanks Pablo. Never stop bringing stuff like this to light. Things will change if this keeps happening.
Espero que este video de la vuelta al mundo del simracing, muy bien haberlo hecho en inglés Pablo
Pablo I love your streams and I really like the content you provide. THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO, we need to expose this to the public as iRacing cannot keep making the same mistake, specially for big events and now that there can be opportunities for iRacing to have more of them (given the fiasco with rFactor 2 and the Le Mans event). Keep it up Pablo TRIPLE CAUTION STAY CENTER! 1luv from an Iberian to another.
Thanks for your video this has put Williams Esports to shame, I only thought it was quali but this is just not right. Thank you for standing up to the brands!! You have my full support!!
I feel your pain! Thank you so much for putting together this video and pointing out the things that happened. I think it is very important to point out this issues, I am only afraid Williams and it's Sponors actually like the additional media coverage based on "there is no bad advertisement". For there is and especially all the people/driver/decision making people involved - shame on them. There is winning and winning, you win by cheating and doing stuff like that, and there is a Gentleman way to do things. This was not. Probably it is necessary to have additional rules in place for special events like this. Even without live racing commission (which should be in place at least for such top split), final, official race results could be corrected post race when there is good reason to do so...
Very good video Pablo thanks 🙂 I had learn a lot from you. It is embarrassing and unprofessional to see these things at this level. You have clearly explained some issues in iracing. Thanks for your contributions
Thank you for your service Sir!
Thanks for bringing attention to these issues, those drivers and teams should be ashamed of themselves
Thank you for doing this! You are probably the only one criticising because you love the sport. Unfortunately our sport is a dumpster fire at the moment. „E-sportification“ is destroying every aspect of simracing.
Pablo no puedo ni creerme este video, estoy conmocionado como encima se pueden resguardar en que lo hacían por los sponsors... Williams una Scudería con tanta historia y un fundador ejemplar como fué Frank Williams que pensaría.... sin palabras, lo siento por vuestra carrera amigo.
Thank you. It's about time that the highest level of iRacing gets legitimate stewarding for special events. High-level teams need to show a better example to everyone. Great video!
No warning or whatever, this deserves a season ban for the drivers and whoever manufactured this disgraceful scummy behaviour. Iracing has to set a precedent and adequately punish to set an example.
Pablo, I've seen you in many highlight videos, most of the time raging about other drivers. First thought was, you are an funny, angry dude, but in fact, I think you got the heart on the right place and fight for fair, clean simracing as no other in streaming cosmos. this is a shame for an professional team and damages the image of simracing. Teams are preparing to this events weeks and months, and those eSport guys come in and do that kind of stuff to "keep their sponsors". well, then go away of simracing with the sponsors and let us do our passionated thing we all love so much.
thank you very much Pablo for sorting this situations over the daytona weekend, let's hope it will be better in the future. keep doing your thing, see you on track 👍
Thank you for doing this video. That team has sponsors, we are entitled to boicott that companies
Iracing should introduce a steward system that allows users to steward. Users should have so sit a test type thing, and like irating, they should be judged by all the drivers in the session to determine how trustworthy they are.
Stewards could be randomly assigned sessions so they can’t cheat for their teammates.
It’s an idea at least
This video was needed for simracing. Now we know our "hero".
Perfectly shows how Williams in iRacing goes DOWN. I see qualy and blocking on stream, but found new here about towing teammate and, WTF????, crashing competitor for their teammates. What is wrong with people...
Button is terrible to trying to say that everything is fine.
p.s. i hope they all be banned for long time, all this 3 teams. I don't have personally hate for anyone, but summary, it is look disgracefull.
Good work Pablo. Williams eSports should be ashamed and embarrassed. Doing it for their sponsors? All they've done is associate cheating with these brands. Their partners should dump them.
The legend has blessed us with a top tier quality video 🖖🖖 giga