Hey Kyle, few things I'd like to note! 1. Swopping and playing low IS DUMB. I totally agree with you and do teach and talk about it all the time with my students and others. It's maneuvering that you do not need to do and just adds risk you don't need to add. I discourage all my students from doing low "acro" and flying. It is DUMB. I also discuss the low "danger zone" with my students and spend a while during ground school discussing the risk of lower flying and how to reduce and minimize that risk. I also really like that you discuss having safe climb out's off launch because that is also a very important lesson. I have a ton of respect for you and the way you teach. 2. Now I also wanted to explain why I was helping Chucky do this. I am all about telling people not to do these things but there is a point with certain people where you know they are just going to do it anyway. That was the case with Chucky. He was going to do swoops with me or without me and Instead of just going on and on about how he should do it, I figured the safer thing to do was to help him learn to do it in the safest way possible. Yes it was risky, yes it was dumb, but he was already in the process of doing it and I was not going to let him do it without help. Heck, he was already doing "swoop" landings. If you were in my shoes, what would your response be? Turn him away and say no I won't help you and watch them learn it wrong or mess up on their own? Or say ok if you going to do it anyway at least let me help you do them in the safest way possible? Looking back I ask myself if it was wrong to help him or not, and honestly I don't think it was. Yes he messed up and had a hard landing, but in the end that hard landing was way better than it could have been with him trying to teach himself this maneuver. That's my thoughts. Hope it makes sense.
I do understand your rationale, but you and I both know that this skill is something that happens over thousands of reps. The pilot that requires help to do this, is the exact pilot you don't want doing this. We all know Chucky does what Chucky wants. That's maybe not a good thing to involve yourself with. As an instructor, and mentor, it would serve the student better to offer only appropriate advice. 25-30 tries is not enough to attain proficiency enough to take that skill to dirt level. Maybe 1000 tries at 10 feet first. Even then, the odds are not in high favor. Aside from that, keep it up, I like the rest of what you're doing.
@@kyleoglee I have a lot of respect for you Trevor but seeing you associate yourself with Chucky, and all be illegal and unwise things he does for our sport is very disheartening.
@@kyleoglee Yup. Chucky said "I lost my muscle memory" on that one. I thought, that is exactly the problem and why he bit it. Not that he lost muscle memory, but the mistake he made thinking he had any to begin with only having ~25 attempts at it. And make no mistake, he did not post it to "educate'. He posted because he knew it would get him in the gossip. It will not be the last time Chucky does something stupid and uses it for attention in the groups.
Chucky is a natural with a lot of extreme sports from my understanding and I respect that, with the exception is Paramotors, he has a lot of progression to go before thinking about this stuff.
I thoroughly enjoy these debates. As a pilot hitting one year and still getting the jeebies with bumps in the air, its great to see you guys showcase the true risks involved with our sport. It makes me take more calculated thoughts when I think af any type of maneuver and to also see the pros and cons, but also the most important lesson: Get honest feedback from your instructor before attempting anything out side your comfort zone! Appreciate you both Trevor and Kyle!
Well said and spot on!. I saw that post by Chucky and instantly was upset that he was "being trained" to do that by an instructor. I said something on the post and saw you did as well. Thanks for this vid.....
Well said. There are old pilots. There are bold pilots. There are no old/bold pilots. I'd like to add something. "Showing off". I've seen more people hurt and equipment damaged by "showing off" for their friends and spectators. Know your limits.
Im happy to see and hear some sense being spoken... With injury after injury, death after death after death happening nearly weekly now, its time to call out the poor practice, poor training, and a dangerous perspective being deployed by some current "Trainers" ..Just look at some of the videos of some of these prolific You Tubers, it is only a matter of time until we are saying good bye to them as well, its going to happen... Why would we even entertain such behavior at any level? Perhaps some of these trainers should meet with family members who have had to bury their loved ones due to this poor practice..We are hanging by a hair from having this sport over regulated due to this behavior... It will not be long until we will need to be licensed, insured, inspected, and restricted ....Its coming
Please don't scare people. I don't think there have been "death after death happening nearly weekly". I think there have been about 3 here in USA over the entire spring and summer, which is about the norm over the whole 6 years I have been involved in PPG. FAR103 hasn't changed in 40 years. The FAA doesn't care if an ultralight pilot kills themselves. Their job is to protect the public, not the pilot taking a known risk.
i would give you a thousand likes if I could. I saw your comment on the post, and I wish more people would stand up and make these types of comments. I appreciate Chucky being willing to share his accidents, so we can all learn from it. I also appreciate Trevor's attitude and being willing to lean in and help someone to hopefully save him from the worst.
The next training item on your agenda should be showing up at every fly in that Ripman has his camera rolling for. His fly in videos blow my mind. That's all I'll say.
Big reason I dislike flyins. Bunch of egos get together and do low acro over the LZ to show everyone how big their ball sack is. I mean, if ya wanna show off, do it in front of people that would be impressed. All of us that fly have seen the stupid big wingovers and barrel rolls a thousand times. I don’t impress at all
Thanks for this important public service message Kyle-O ! I got my pilots several decades ago. After a couple years I found that low altitude, close proximity flying was much more enjoyable than flying with a reasonable margin of safety. After some close calls I came to the conclusion that while I had some skill as a pilot I lacked the good judgment to properly assess risks and consequences. I realized that if I kept flying there was a high likelihood that someone was going to be seriously injured or die. The worst part was that it might be someone else that paid the price of my stupidity. My solution was to quit flying. It was the right decision for me at the time.
there is a pretty big difference between an average swoop landing and trying to do a tip drag on the ground. I've done plenty of "swoop" landings that never felt close to dangerous, often i do them simply to extend that flare out. I've seen several pilots that foot drag land often as well. Both can cause injury i suppose if you don't have a certain mastery of energy management and wing control. There's a fine line between dangerous and safe when doing them both and it's going to be different based on how much enery management is built into muscle memory for the pilot. What I saw in Chucky's video example is someone who hasn't mastered energy management trying something he wasn't ready for.
Kyle well knows this is the point I was trying to make when I commented on Chucky's maneuver, which was botched even from the very first seconds. His lack of mastery of either pitch or roll, was in fact the cause of his bounced landing. Like finely honed commercial pilot maneuvers, (Chandelles and Lazy 8s) simultaneoulsy combining both pitch and roll changes... are something only the well practiced can do well. There is ALWAYS a person that is better at it than you (me) too...I texted Kyle tonight, assuring him we have way more to agree on here, than to disagree upon. Control and speed are the key to consistent landings. I sometimes like to achieve that speed part, with either some released brake input, or rolling out of a nose down turn. If you get it wrong, add thrust and extend or go around. Nonetheless, I think Chucky, myself and everyone can benefit from practicing energy management...just do it at an altitude where mistakes won't cause you injury, until you get energy management dialed.
I’ve got much more respect for an old man flying a boring straight line than watching some newbie trying stunts that they obviously should not be doing
Glad to see you preach! I dread the day I have to witness watching someone I have mad respect for actually drive it in. Unfortunately, due to things we can’t control, it’s never “if”…. It’s always when. Much love!
Interesting video. One of the great things about activities that are somewhat 'solo' in design, they afford the player their own risk vs. reward ideology. Teaching people to drive cars is an exercise in putting EVERYONE at risk in a major way. Driving while on phones is also illegal, yet we overlook that. Live and let live, specially when the risk is primarily to the singular person involved.
I just talked to Trevor at the POTM-N a few days ago. I said something similar to him in that I've backed off of low manuver stuff, and was lucky to get out of that stage without serious injury. He's in good spirits and he's young so I think he will heal well, he's a good guy, hope he has a speedy recovery.
Right on. I've been a USPPA member since 2009. I'm still a beginner. Anyway, it's only the past three or four years that we've really started to see this ramp up of low, unstable, and dumb. Or at least seeing anyone admitting it, much less video of it on the interwebs as "learning experience". There's a reason the Euro guys do their slaloms over water, as you pointed out. It is sad to name-drop, but it seems like every time I see the name Chucky Wright, it's either illegal, or galactically stupid and painful, or both. Trevor Steele has done such a great job making himself legitimate and respected away from Del..hopefully he'll be smart enough to send Chucky packing, and stay away from the other clown show personalities. Nothing good for the sport or community us coming out of this foolishness.
Thank you, Kyle O! It's great for a veteran and advanced pilot like you to remind me (and the entire PPG community) of the dangers of low-altitude shenanigans. I'm guilty and have, fortunately, avoided negative consequences. I'll stick to safe flying in the danger zone, or about 50 feet AGL. As always, Kyle O - you rock!
Good video! As I use to say: "The sky is not the limit. The ground is!" And it's a hard one. We teach our students to be established in a straight, stable final approach no lower than 80-100ft above ground (depending on the LZ, of cause). Whatever skill level the pilot may have. According to the german hanggliding and paragliding association (DHV) which keeps a detailed accident statistic, the overwhelming majority of accidents (which costitute fractures, bleedings or prolonged hospital says or even death) happen close to the ground. People, listen to the advise in the video!
If the motor dies at low/no altitude when you're in a fast hard turn, you better be ready for some type of schmackdown. Acro down low, to me, is racing- like supercross X PPG. Love watching it, and it's a matter of time before the inevitable. Personally, I love watching Judson and/or Trevor ripping it up. Takes me back to my MX days... 30+ yrs ago. But I've noticed recently that Judson seems to have maybe dialed it back a little, or perhaps I've just become accustomed to WATCHING the kinda stuff your talking about Kyle? IDK, but I can agree to a degree, the consequences could be mortal... but I too was young and invincible once, and I pay for that everyday now. Wisdom does not come quick, cheap or easy... And it's usually given by an 'elder'(don't think about this too hard LOL) that has been around long enough to see some shit happen, yet not too old to be soured to think 'no one's listening'. I think it's quite solid advice, coming from a pilot/teacher that I have a healthy respect for, and I think a lot of pilots hold the same opinion of you KyleO. It's a very good message you send, and now I'll stop my rambling...
I observed quite a bit before ever entering the sport. One of the interesting things I observed was the oldest, most experienced pilots, the one that have been there and done that, generally fly very chill. They are not usually one a super hot wing, and they fly well within the envelope. I noticed that it was the low hour, aggressive pilots were the ones I was seeing buried the most often.
I started the sport knowing I wasn't going to foot drag, barrel roll, or do advanced maneuvers until I had hundreds of hours. About to hit 100 hrs and starting to get foot drag landings down and that is exciting for me and I'm complacent with working on that as my risky move for a flight.
I joined Greg Hammerton's website and he built it as for beginners and up and down the pike and he was so wonderful the first thing he showed was a swoop landing, next to the ocean and he came so close to the ground he had to lift his knees up to not hit and then he was just in perfect line with the Target and just dropped in light as a feather and was so proud of himself that he showed all the new people this really advanced trick. Truth be told here's why you shouldn't do that. You have had quite a bit of math if you're going to be in the pharmacy industry and I still look at you as a math pissant cuz I was an electrical engineering. I build models for mathematics stuff all the time here's a good one. When you consider the amount of turbulence in the air anywhere but right next to the ocean with the laminar flow you can model it as a percentage. It's not real useful for many things but think of this when you come swooping in hot on one of those corners close to the ground and you're swinging in your doing all that stuff, that 10% Can disfavor you. That means that under 50 ft you could have a 5 foot drop. When you consider the level of uncertainty in the atmosphere if you come in flying hot and heavy and doing those precise terms that cost a lot of altitude close to the ground and you get five or ten percent difference to the negative you will hit the ground. I intend to unbuckle my chest strap and do a long approach for the last hundred feet lean Way Forward and come down in a straight line because I'm barely able to visualize that and if you can't see it in your mind you can't fly it with your hand. Then when I get 3 feet off the ground flying at trim speed puffed out and holding back as much air as I can to slow me down I'm going to slam them brakes on as hard as I can like a transient bite down on my mouthpiece and eat my medicine. I could fly in with my head in a bag in the brakes taped to the risers and probably be uninjured at the shallow angle and low-speed just kind of hit the ground rumbling a tumbling and you know you stand up.if you attempt to do a swoop landing and you are too low like a curve and you're pulling out of it the straighten and go that long run that is where you are at a terrible tangent to the ground you're going to hit hard and square on the back end of that sloop swinging and there's nothing you can do about it.
We all know who else does that swoopy stuff, and to my knowledge he has yet to biff it in doing his swoopy thangs. Interesting that Tucker's name was not mentioned. I have mad respect for Trevor, you and Tucker, but Tucker has one hell of a following, 100 x more subscribers than most, so the "students eyes" are one him for sure. I would believe that if Tucker does it, then the "Tucker wanna be person will try the same shit. My CFI once told me there are more people in the ground for stupid shit than there are in the sky for a reason, the ground has ZERO conscience.
I really like Tucker, but I've been thinking the same thing. It's a little ironic when he occasionally talks about safety first....then a minute later he shouts "just send it" and does something really risky. And at the end of his video sells his Risky Biscuits motto t-shirt.
@@Wintermute909 I agree, he has had to ramp up the riskiness over the years to keep things interesting, I do not blame him, things can get kinda stale and it is nice to amp it up alittle. On the other hand doing somethings can put the sport at risk, now much of what Tucker does on camera gets close to the edge, but the students that want to be like Tucker do not know or have the same margins for safety and skill and end up statistics. High risk videos sell, but then again so do McDonald's runs, it is a balance that some manage better than others. Trevor certainly does the "Don't be stupid, don't show off, fly safe" PSA, but then something like Kyle mentions appears. These types of things are best no recorded, or at least edit yourself out of the video so that when the shit hits the fan/paramotor/ground, people do not get confused about the double talk. Prevention is always the best no matter the situation, and that would not practiced here or at times in other UA-camr's videos.
@@michaelkennedy2528 Have I HAD to ramp up riskiness, or is this a natural progression? Do more skills allows you to do more advanced maneuvers with less risk? I think so.
@@TuckerGott The risks are the same, no matter the skill, skill mitigates the "chance" of it happening. Art Scholl world famous stunt pilot biffed it in, sure his natural progression gave him skill AND confidence, but he died doing advanced maneuver. Chris Atkison "champion" died, Dean Eldridge, died, these were all skilled pilots. Not saying you are or were doing anything wrong, but many new and a lot of older, "experienced" paramotor pilots emulate or attempt to emulate the people they follow, and you happen to have a lot of followers. AGAIN, not saying you are responsible for their actions, but there is no doubt folks with equal and or less skills try the same thing and die or get injured, thats not on you, but it was a general statement. Don't get hurt over it.
@@michaelkennedy2528 I’m not hurt, I just disagree. I believe higher levels of skill allow you to perform more advanced maneuvers safer, if done correctly.
being older surely helps, V's young & dumb as I was & well said Sir! grt to see ya, two speeds, slow & stop. how u deal wit that heat is beyond me! Hope to see y'all soon enough! H2o
Kyle good session. I follow Trevor, Tucker, Judson and others. In their defense, generally, they always voice erring on the side of conservatism when flying and thinking ahead as you suggest. I think what happens is, they are all very good pilots and pilots to be good generally have somewhat of a “I can do anything “ attitude. That comes through when you watch and listen to them. Mix that with swoops being fun to do and you have a recipe for serious ground rash or worse. Also, you are right about age being a factor. Young guys fight wars and find it fun. Guys in their 30's and older don’t want to run down the hill to get a cow, but would rather walk down and get them all.😊
You nailed it again Kyle. I love these candid videos you put out about some of the more scary trends... Good pilot knows how. Great pilot knows better. I know you've seen the clip of my "learning opportunity" involving a very gentle and "normal" swoop landing combined with a touch of unexpected downdraft.... Funny how the more I fly, the more I move my playground to higher and higher altitude, and more often over water with a rescue boat. I guess I'm getting less "advanced" with age. As you said, it's NOT advanced flying, it's advanced risk taking. Any monkey can yank a brake line. Well trained monkeys may be able to get away with it *most* of the time. But I don't like the statistics much these days.
The three MOST useless things to a paramotor pilot. 1: Altitude above you. 2: Runway behind you. 3: Fuel on the ground. The best lesson my instructor taught me. Ha Ha Ha.
To sum up what Kyle O said. If you do enough swooping or tip touch landings it's not a matter of if you'll Biff but rather when you Biff. But one thing for sure is you will eventually Biff. As to the severity of it is what's unknown. 😆 Seriously though be safe up there everyone because we've definitely seen enough tragedy in the sport.
What year discussing here I agree with 100% but here is the reason this is true for you. These things are turbulent flows anywhere but right next to the ocean where you have that big low flat plain you have turbulent flow even though you're closer to the Ocean than I am you have turbulent flows. It's turbulent in every dimension. You can measure it to be turbulence with 100-ft radius 200 ft radius 1 inch. Where I live the wind shifts back and forth about 15° all day. Large masses of air roll through and the windshift 5:52 can model them on their edge as large cylinders. Most of the time in paragliding weather is plus or minus 10%. If you came in and the wind screwed you, you'd be 10% lower than you expected in four seconds. So if you were 40 ft as your danger zone and you made your calculation and you turned in 4 seconds you can be 4 ft deeper into the ground than you had thought and that's pretty hard collision. I also see these people do the swoop landing where you fly along in the brakes and then you put your hands up and it dips and you put the brakes on again and try to fly out for that long stretched out swoop. If you don't get in the brakes hard enough or you like the control authority to tighten the curve enough you fly into the ground on the bad end of the circle and you hit almost square at diving speed. That's another bad angle.
I don't understand why "fast" is important low to the ground. Can you explain that? Are you saying people should trim out on a reflex wing while foot dragging or playing at 10 feet off the ground?
Just curious, but isn't there a difference between a swoop landing and a 'hook-turn' swoop landing? The latter being the one that Chucky was attempting? Maybe it's just the lingo - but I was told a 'swoop' landing was done by going hands up, letting the glider dive to get speed, then flaring just as your foot starts to graze the ground - and having a nice, long glide, parallel to the ground. The hook-turn swoop by contrast, adds the 90º or 180º turn before 'final', which adds all that extra speed - and risk - since you have to then manage getting the glider back overhead as you're flaring.
Kyle called me out specifically here, yet I agree with you because I never lobbied for unstable high energy anything... It is my opinion however that it doesn't matter which condition you use to start unwinding that potential energy (either a shallow dive, or a hook turn) so long as you can effectively manage the resultant velocity PRIOR to approaching the ground. THAT, is why, if you're going to employ anything other than a trim speed glide to the ground, you need to practice at a safe altitude FIRST. Proficiency comes with time and practice. Making all of the mistakes at a safe distance above the ground, long before committing to an earth proximity attempt, is the only way greater than trim speed to flare should be used. Just my 2 cents. I have deep respect for Kyle O's opinions.
Different folks for different folks. Not disagreeing in any way that these maneuvers greatly increase the risk of the sport. I look at it like skiing or mtb, some guys stay on the greens and blues manicured runs. Some run back country with risk of avalanche and low support. Some ride mtb on rail trails and some go Mach Jesus dh and hit backflips over gaps. The thing I find important is that any increase in risk is calculated and understood. While it’s always a personal choice when it comes to any adventure sport on the level of risk taken and some may not personally choice to run that risk profile I don’t agree with looking down on someone for trying to progress.
What he was doing isn't progression though. No one can "boot camp" themselves into high level precision low flying over a few lessons. These skills take years to dial in properly... and more altitude. I'm all for people being good, just not like this.
Thanks Boss. I agree with no low acro, however I have a very short LZ with trees on one end, power lines to left, and water ahead. I usually only fly there when I have wind off the water and can land parallel to the river, but sometimes it switches direction and I have to set up to land toward the water. I have been slowly attempting to induce more of a dive by pulling brakes half way at tree line and releasing so I will induce a shallow dive and level out shorter, but I'm a big chicken when it comes to pulling too much brake. I have 60yo bones that can break if I screw up. Others have told me to try a butterfly motion on the brakes to drop faster. I'm just timid about it. Perhaps it can be the topic of a future video on how to safely practice this. Here is a link to a typical landing at my LZ. ua-cam.com/video/ZqwYf7p4HH8/v-deo.htmlsi=288asFysLbHiUCvy
@@YankeeinSC1 I realize that my engine out emergency landing upon launch at that site is definitely going to be a downwind landing or landing in the pluff mud, because I am going to loop it around rather quickly rather than going into the drink. I do need to slowly practice my gentle dives though and that is such a hard thing to practice up high because you have zero sense of the dive duration and rollout distance until the pendulum naturally recovers.
@@JohnHansknecht Furthermore... My "situation" over Don Jordan's yard, was an arrival!...not a mis-planned takeoff. I'd already been flying for an hour and was returning to land when my engine failed. I'd flown over the field for a look at conditions (wind socks) and made a 180 to a fairly high downwind, giving me at least some options, which is more than most people would typically do. When the motor quit however, I only had one option, due to obstructions and power lines...that was LAND on Don's property, prior to gliding past any of the boundaries, most of which are fenced. I kept the speed up and rolled in on the approach end of the runway. I more or less "brute forced" the arrival at warp speed to the approach end, vs. trying to finesse the glide around, hoping I didn't end up short...
My value schemas changed over time, I addmit that once I wanted to be one of those guys that do death spirals and crazy shit on ground. I guess I just got older and realized that tradding off coolnes for risk is a poor idea.
I've been assisting Trevor with PPG training for almost 4 years, and I can confirm he never teaches wingtip touches or swoop landings in any of his sessions. He doesn't promote it either. But if someone is already trying such maneuvers and seeks advice, it makes sense to give them the guidance. Video seemed lil unfair / misrepresenting, Trevor . ❤ Just my 2 cents. I do agree with you low maneuvers to the ground is just asking for trouble
Hey…. Kyle O… love you… love your good content… hope to fly more with you…. but do you also remember visiting me in Colorado and scaring the pants off my wife and mother in law on my birthday? Pretty sure you were doing aggressive low flying then.. pretty sure you did a VERY low level barrel roll… overall, I agree about the caution and keeping respect for the danger zone.. Also you weren’t teaching…. But there is a bit of juxtaposition here I’m surprised of.
Yes! Fredericksburg I believe? Low exits are not wise, but a 50 foot margin is still much different than dirt level maneuvers. I also recall aiming for a bigger margin that day, but the density altitude reared its ugly head and put me much lower than I was aiming (hence what a good margin is for in the 1st place!) I feel bad for scaring them. To the uninitiated onlooker, it is very scary to see at any altitude without having a reference point. That particular incident caused me to start holding back aggressive maneuvers from any public observation viewpoint. I've also grown much more as a pilot as well since then. Good job calling me out on it! Hope you are doing well!
@@kyleoglee Respect! Yeah, Frederick! I was surprised at the move…. But I’m not gonna lie, it was pretty sweet too! Haha, guilty pleasure! We all get to choose the risk envelope we fly under, I’m know for higher risk profile as well. Yeah, I’ve grown leaps and bounds since then as well. This sport is truly a forever learning and fine tuning activity! I’m doing great! Creating my own birds these days and loving it! Safe landings friend! Also…. More content… miss listening to you!
Heres my opinion live and let die. Paramotoring to someone that does not do it could say it is dangerous too. Its better to teach someone a dangerous flight manoeuvre than not teach. Afterall you could have taught youself paramororing but chose not to. Advancement in all aviation unfortunately involves risking life and limb and has always been so.
Broken gear, broken bones and you forgot. DEATH! Not overly dramatic, a very real possibility! How many “pilots” realize how close they come to stalling their wing during those aggressive banking swoops and pull ups? Unlike a rigid wing, the paraglider collapses (usually asymmetrically) and there is no altitude to recover. Result, a slam into the ground. It is not just fast, stable and focused that is important. People think speed equals safety, but wing loading due to steep bank and loading due to the pull up mean that the stall speed can be way higher. A wing can stall at any speed and any attitude. This applies to all wings from a PPG, Cessna and all the way up to a large jet. How many instructors understand aerodynamics? And how many emphasize aeroD to their students? I do NOT like the way things are trending in this sport. Regulation is on the horizon! Mark my words.
Thats exactly why I created a "No low acro" zone around EFD this year. If someone wants to play around down low they can go off airport property to do that. :)
I love how Kyle is always "The adult in the room." Keep doing what you do, Kyle. You're a tremendous example for the sport and your videos have helped me a lot. 🪂
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“Low maneuvering recently surpassed drowning as the biggest fatality in our sport” That’s a big claim. What is your source? Where is your data? I think you are making this statistic up to make your argument sound better.
@fobio2101 If you believe that drowning is the “biggest fatality” (most common way to die) in paramotoring, could you mention why you believe that to be the case?
Totally support you on that but it feels a little disingenuous to be discouraging people from doing dangerous things in a video recorded with one hand on the wheel. Record it in a garage or hangar or just at the kitchen table! If you just talk/think better in the car for the love of god stick a gopro or phone mount on your dash instead of holding the stick the whole time (I can see it in your sunglasses!)
bru who cares. the whole point of the sport is to have fun. you shouldnt have a problem with someone else risking their life.. its not your life. relax
Lol tell it to every slalom pilot....it's absolutely advanced to do it good....same as being able to do a loopy loop it's not advanced it's simply driving/ flying that vehicle as it can be. Low flying has the same risk high flying acro. To say it's any worse is entirely based of ability and conditions. How great is it when your fail safe fails from 5k agl.....you die How many hit in low flying that doesn't die.... Love to debate this...
Advanced maneuvers or what ever are not for every pilot. A pilot who seeks training in such things is by no means irresponsible. There is a time and place to learn these things and as pilots we are free to do so. After all, we fly because we enjoy the freedom of flight. Nobody likes drama queens, if you had a problem with somebody or something being taught then you should talk to the people involved and keep this kind of sh*t offline.
I still call BS. This type of maneuvering ends badly, and people need to know it. I'm all for people learning it, but it aint something you gather over a weekend. It's like instructing a footdrag. Takes time, lots and lots of time. The only thing dramatic about it is the injuries sustained. Trevor himself is in a wheelchair because of this stuff.
@@kyleoglee Foot dragging is dangerous, it is a form of low maneuvering which can end badly. You teach it. Should somebody make a video about how stupid foot dragging is and drop your name in on it once you f*ck up?
Hey Kyle, few things I'd like to note!
1. Swopping and playing low IS DUMB. I totally agree with you and do teach and talk about it all the time with my students and others. It's maneuvering that you do not need to do and just adds risk you don't need to add. I discourage all my students from doing low "acro" and flying. It is DUMB. I also discuss the low "danger zone" with my students and spend a while during ground school discussing the risk of lower flying and how to reduce and minimize that risk. I also really like that you discuss having safe climb out's off launch because that is also a very important lesson. I have a ton of respect for you and the way you teach.
2. Now I also wanted to explain why I was helping Chucky do this. I am all about telling people not to do these things but there is a point with certain people where you know they are just going to do it anyway. That was the case with Chucky. He was going to do swoops with me or without me and Instead of just going on and on about how he should do it, I figured the safer thing to do was to help him learn to do it in the safest way possible. Yes it was risky, yes it was dumb, but he was already in the process of doing it and I was not going to let him do it without help. Heck, he was already doing "swoop" landings. If you were in my shoes, what would your response be? Turn him away and say no I won't help you and watch them learn it wrong or mess up on their own? Or say ok if you going to do it anyway at least let me help you do them in the safest way possible?
Looking back I ask myself if it was wrong to help him or not, and honestly I don't think it was. Yes he messed up and had a hard landing, but in the end that hard landing was way better than it could have been with him trying to teach himself this maneuver.
That's my thoughts. Hope it makes sense.
I do understand your rationale, but you and I both know that this skill is something that happens over thousands of reps. The pilot that requires help to do this, is the exact pilot you don't want doing this. We all know Chucky does what Chucky wants. That's maybe not a good thing to involve yourself with. As an instructor, and mentor, it would serve the student better to offer only appropriate advice. 25-30 tries is not enough to attain proficiency enough to take that skill to dirt level. Maybe 1000 tries at 10 feet first. Even then, the odds are not in high favor. Aside from that, keep it up, I like the rest of what you're doing.
@@kyleoglee I have a lot of respect for you Trevor but seeing you associate yourself with Chucky, and all be illegal and unwise things he does for our sport is very disheartening.
@@kyleoglee Yup. Chucky said "I lost my muscle memory" on that one. I thought, that is exactly the problem and why he bit it. Not that he lost muscle memory, but the mistake he made thinking he had any to begin with only having ~25 attempts at it. And make no mistake, he did not post it to "educate'. He posted because he knew it would get him in the gossip. It will not be the last time Chucky does something stupid and uses it for attention in the groups.
Chucky is a natural with a lot of extreme sports from my understanding and I respect that, with the exception is Paramotors, he has a lot of progression to go before thinking about this stuff.
I thoroughly enjoy these debates. As a pilot hitting one year and still getting the jeebies with bumps in the air, its great to see you guys showcase the true risks involved with our sport.
It makes me take more calculated thoughts when I think af any type of maneuver and to also see the pros and cons, but also the most important lesson:
Get honest feedback from your instructor before attempting anything out side your comfort zone!
Appreciate you both Trevor and Kyle!
Well said and spot on!. I saw that post by Chucky and instantly was upset that he was "being trained" to do that by an instructor. I said something on the post and saw you did as well. Thanks for this vid.....
Time to gather round the fireside and listen to a drop of wisdom from Kyle ‘O. Well said Sir..
Iam just happy flying straight and level, still think iam the luckiest guy in the world to be able to do this hobby and it always amazes me
Well said. There are old pilots. There are bold pilots. There are no old/bold pilots. I'd like to add something. "Showing off". I've seen more people hurt and equipment damaged by "showing off" for their friends and spectators. Know your limits.
Im happy to see and hear some sense being spoken... With injury after injury, death after death after death happening nearly weekly now, its time to call out the poor practice, poor training, and a dangerous perspective being deployed by some current "Trainers" ..Just look at some of the videos of some of these prolific You Tubers, it is only a matter of time until we are saying good bye to them as well, its going to happen... Why would we even entertain such behavior at any level? Perhaps some of these trainers should meet with family members who have had to bury their loved ones due to this poor practice..We are hanging by a hair from having this sport over regulated due to this behavior... It will not be long until we will need to be licensed, insured, inspected, and restricted ....Its coming
Please don't scare people. I don't think there have been "death after death happening nearly weekly". I think there have been about 3 here in USA over the entire spring and summer, which is about the norm over the whole 6 years I have been involved in PPG. FAR103 hasn't changed in 40 years. The FAA doesn't care if an ultralight pilot kills themselves. Their job is to protect the public, not the pilot taking a known risk.
i would give you a thousand likes if I could. I saw your comment on the post, and I wish more people would stand up and make these types of comments. I appreciate Chucky being willing to share his accidents, so we can all learn from it. I also appreciate Trevor's attitude and being willing to lean in and help someone to hopefully save him from the worst.
The next training item on your agenda should be showing up at every fly in that Ripman has his camera rolling for.
His fly in videos blow my mind. That's all I'll say.
Big reason I dislike flyins. Bunch of egos get together and do low acro over the LZ to show everyone how big their ball sack is. I mean, if ya wanna show off, do it in front of people that would be impressed. All of us that fly have seen the stupid big wingovers and barrel rolls a thousand times. I don’t impress at all
Thanks for this important public service message Kyle-O ! I got my pilots several decades ago. After a couple years I found that low altitude, close proximity flying was much more enjoyable than flying with a reasonable margin of safety. After some close calls I came to the conclusion that while I had some skill as a pilot I lacked the good judgment to properly assess risks and consequences. I realized that if I kept flying there was a high likelihood that someone was going to be seriously injured or die. The worst part was that it might be someone else that paid the price of my stupidity. My solution was to quit flying. It was the right decision for me at the time.
I learned a long time ago, air is very soft, and the ground is very hard (ouch!). It's really that simple.
Everyone should see this! Thanks for the video!
Well said Kyle. This message is long overdue
there is a pretty big difference between an average swoop landing and trying to do a tip drag on the ground.
I've done plenty of "swoop" landings that never felt close to dangerous, often i do them simply to extend that flare out. I've seen several pilots that foot drag land often as well. Both can cause injury i suppose if you don't have a certain mastery of energy management and wing control. There's a fine line between dangerous and safe when doing them both and it's going to be different based on how much enery management is built into muscle memory for the pilot.
What I saw in Chucky's video example is someone who hasn't mastered energy management trying something he wasn't ready for.
Kyle well knows this is the point I was trying to make when I commented on Chucky's maneuver, which was botched even from the very first seconds. His lack of mastery of either pitch or roll, was in fact the cause of his bounced landing. Like finely honed commercial pilot maneuvers, (Chandelles and Lazy 8s) simultaneoulsy combining both pitch and roll changes... are something only the well practiced can do well. There is ALWAYS a person that is better at it than you (me) too...I texted Kyle tonight, assuring him we have way more to agree on here, than to disagree upon. Control and speed are the key to consistent landings. I sometimes like to achieve that speed part, with either some released brake input, or rolling out of a nose down turn. If you get it wrong, add thrust and extend or go around. Nonetheless, I think Chucky, myself and everyone can benefit from practicing energy management...just do it at an altitude where mistakes won't cause you injury, until you get energy management dialed.
I’ve got much more respect for an old man flying a boring straight line than watching some newbie trying stunts that they obviously should not be doing
ua-cam.com/video/yzGjaVl9bTQ/v-deo.htmlsi=mC7hNqV3Tu7SQ7vE Old guy flying
"Open your robe!!" Cracked me up!!! Right on with safety, too!
Chucky is Dell 2.0….without the flying skills. Which is stupid to get involved with in any regard. Maybe it gave Trevor some nostalgia.
Haven't seen you in a while.
Thanks for being the voice of reason.
Glad to see you preach! I dread the day I have to witness watching someone I have mad respect for actually drive it in. Unfortunately, due to things we can’t control, it’s never “if”…. It’s always when. Much love!
Interesting video. One of the great things about activities that are somewhat 'solo' in design, they afford the player their own risk vs. reward ideology. Teaching people to drive cars is an exercise in putting EVERYONE at risk in a major way. Driving while on phones is also illegal, yet we overlook that. Live and let live, specially when the risk is primarily to the singular person involved.
Words of paramotor wisdom! Spot on Kyle, well said.
I just talked to Trevor at the POTM-N a few days ago. I said something similar to him in that I've backed off of low manuver stuff, and was lucky to get out of that stage without serious injury. He's in good spirits and he's young so I think he will heal well, he's a good guy, hope he has a speedy recovery.
I like Trevor. It's why I wanted to broach this topic.
Right on. I've been a USPPA member since 2009. I'm still a beginner. Anyway, it's only the past three or four years that we've really started to see this ramp up of low, unstable, and dumb. Or at least seeing anyone admitting it, much less video of it on the interwebs as "learning experience". There's a reason the Euro guys do their slaloms over water, as you pointed out. It is sad to name-drop, but it seems like every time I see the name Chucky Wright, it's either illegal, or galactically stupid and painful, or both. Trevor Steele has done such a great job making himself legitimate and respected away from Del..hopefully he'll be smart enough to send Chucky packing, and stay away from the other clown show personalities. Nothing good for the sport or community us coming out of this foolishness.
Thanks Kyle. This is something we all need to be reminded of. Going to make the fast stable and focused rule a part of my flying.
Thanks for the video, glad you set this topic straight!
Wise words. Blue skies and soft landings
Fundamental aviating skills! Applies to many other things as well even if the consequences are less deadly.
Good content, as usual!
After you’ve seen a few broken backs and a fatality from smacking the ground you start to realize the common denominator… the ground doesn’t play…
Thank you, Kyle O! It's great for a veteran and advanced pilot like you to remind me (and the entire PPG community) of the dangers of low-altitude shenanigans. I'm guilty and have, fortunately, avoided negative consequences. I'll stick to safe flying in the danger zone, or about 50 feet AGL. As always, Kyle O - you rock!
Kyle coming from a place of love for the sport and it’s people.
Excellent wisdom. Love this presentation.
Totally agree with you on everything in this video Kyle safety is in altitude and having clearance for a motor out is always a must in my book
Good video! As I use to say: "The sky is not the limit. The ground is!" And it's a hard one. We teach our students to be established in a straight, stable final approach no lower than 80-100ft above ground (depending on the LZ, of cause). Whatever skill level the pilot may have. According to the german hanggliding and paragliding association (DHV) which keeps a detailed accident statistic, the overwhelming majority of accidents (which costitute fractures, bleedings or prolonged hospital says or even death) happen close to the ground. People, listen to the advise in the video!
Love your videos Kyle and your focus on making safer pilots. If you are ever back in Bozeman look us up, our little club would love to fly with you!
If the motor dies at low/no altitude when you're in a fast hard turn, you better be ready for some type of schmackdown. Acro down low, to me, is racing- like supercross X PPG. Love watching it, and it's a matter of time before the inevitable. Personally, I love watching Judson and/or Trevor ripping it up. Takes me back to my MX days... 30+ yrs ago. But I've noticed recently that Judson seems to have maybe dialed it back a little, or perhaps I've just become accustomed to WATCHING the kinda stuff your talking about Kyle? IDK, but I can agree to a degree, the consequences could be mortal... but I too was young and invincible once, and I pay for that everyday now. Wisdom does not come quick, cheap or easy... And it's usually given by an 'elder'(don't think about this too hard LOL) that has been around long enough to see some shit happen, yet not too old to be soured to think 'no one's listening'. I think it's quite solid advice, coming from a pilot/teacher that I have a healthy respect for, and I think a lot of pilots hold the same opinion of you KyleO. It's a very good message you send, and now I'll stop my rambling...
I observed quite a bit before ever entering the sport. One of the interesting things I observed was the oldest, most experienced pilots, the one that have been there and done that, generally fly very chill. They are not usually one a super hot wing, and they fly well within the envelope. I noticed that it was the low hour, aggressive pilots were the ones I was seeing buried the most often.
I started the sport knowing I wasn't going to foot drag, barrel roll, or do advanced maneuvers until I had hundreds of hours. About to hit 100 hrs and starting to get foot drag landings down and that is exciting for me and I'm complacent with working on that as my risky move for a flight.
"There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old & bold pilots."
Hey, aren't you that guy that does that paramotor dance?
Swoop! There it is! Excellent video!
Very wise. I'm taking my training in May and I'm not interested in taking undue chances to show off.
In South America, Colombia, it is called turn of death, giro de la muerte
hey man, i hope all is well? why havent you been posting youtube videos?? i really enjoy watching your videos!! hope all is ok man.
I joined Greg Hammerton's website and he built it as for beginners and up and down the pike and he was so wonderful the first thing he showed was a swoop landing, next to the ocean and he came so close to the ground he had to lift his knees up to not hit and then he was just in perfect line with the Target and just dropped in light as a feather and was so proud of himself that he showed all the new people this really advanced trick. Truth be told here's why you shouldn't do that. You have had quite a bit of math if you're going to be in the pharmacy industry and I still look at you as a math pissant cuz I was an electrical engineering. I build models for mathematics stuff all the time here's a good one. When you consider the amount of turbulence in the air anywhere but right next to the ocean with the laminar flow you can model it as a percentage. It's not real useful for many things but think of this when you come swooping in hot on one of those corners close to the ground and you're swinging in your doing all that stuff, that 10% Can disfavor you. That means that under 50 ft you could have a 5 foot drop. When you consider the level of uncertainty in the atmosphere if you come in flying hot and heavy and doing those precise terms that cost a lot of altitude close to the ground and you get five or ten percent difference to the negative you will hit the ground. I intend to unbuckle my chest strap and do a long approach for the last hundred feet lean Way Forward and come down in a straight line because I'm barely able to visualize that and if you can't see it in your mind you can't fly it with your hand. Then when I get 3 feet off the ground flying at trim speed puffed out and holding back as much air as I can to slow me down I'm going to slam them brakes on as hard as I can like a transient bite down on my mouthpiece and eat my medicine. I could fly in with my head in a bag in the brakes taped to the risers and probably be uninjured at the shallow angle and low-speed just kind of hit the ground rumbling a tumbling and you know you stand up.if you attempt to do a swoop landing and you are too low like a curve and you're pulling out of it the straighten and go that long run that is where you are at a terrible tangent to the ground you're going to hit hard and square on the back end of that sloop swinging and there's nothing you can do about it.
Also noticed the landing zone was pretty concrete…
We all know who else does that swoopy stuff, and to my knowledge he has yet to biff it in doing his swoopy thangs. Interesting that Tucker's name was not mentioned. I have mad respect for Trevor, you and Tucker, but Tucker has one hell of a following, 100 x more subscribers than most, so the "students eyes" are one him for sure. I would believe that if Tucker does it, then the "Tucker wanna be person will try the same shit. My CFI once told me there are more people in the ground for stupid shit than there are in the sky for a reason, the ground has ZERO conscience.
I really like Tucker, but I've been thinking the same thing. It's a little ironic when he occasionally talks about safety first....then a minute later he shouts "just send it" and does something really risky. And at the end of his video sells his Risky Biscuits motto t-shirt.
@@Wintermute909 I agree, he has had to ramp up the riskiness over the years to keep things interesting, I do not blame him, things can get kinda stale and it is nice to amp it up alittle. On the other hand doing somethings can put the sport at risk, now much of what Tucker does on camera gets close to the edge, but the students that want to be like Tucker do not know or have the same margins for safety and skill and end up statistics. High risk videos sell, but then again so do McDonald's runs, it is a balance that some manage better than others. Trevor certainly does the "Don't be stupid, don't show off, fly safe" PSA, but then something like Kyle mentions appears. These types of things are best no recorded, or at least edit yourself out of the video so that when the shit hits the fan/paramotor/ground, people do not get confused about the double talk. Prevention is always the best no matter the situation, and that would not practiced here or at times in other UA-camr's videos.
@@michaelkennedy2528 Have I HAD to ramp up riskiness, or is this a natural progression? Do more skills allows you to do more advanced maneuvers with less risk? I think so.
@@TuckerGott The risks are the same, no matter the skill, skill mitigates the "chance" of it happening. Art Scholl world famous stunt pilot biffed it in, sure his natural progression gave him skill AND confidence, but he died doing advanced maneuver. Chris Atkison "champion" died, Dean Eldridge, died, these were all skilled pilots. Not saying you are or were doing anything wrong, but many new and a lot of older, "experienced" paramotor pilots emulate or attempt to emulate the people they follow, and you happen to have a lot of followers. AGAIN, not saying you are responsible for their actions, but there is no doubt folks with equal and or less skills try the same thing and die or get injured, thats not on you, but it was a general statement. Don't get hurt over it.
@@michaelkennedy2528 I’m not hurt, I just disagree. I believe higher levels of skill allow you to perform more advanced maneuvers safer, if done correctly.
being older surely helps, V's young & dumb as I was & well said Sir! grt to see ya, two speeds, slow & stop. how u deal wit that heat is beyond me! Hope to see y'all soon enough! H2o
Kyle good session. I follow Trevor, Tucker, Judson and others. In their defense, generally, they always voice erring on the side of conservatism when flying and thinking ahead as you suggest. I think what happens is, they are all very good pilots and pilots to be good generally have somewhat of a “I can do anything “ attitude. That comes through when you watch and listen to them. Mix that with swoops being fun to do and you have a recipe for serious ground rash or worse. Also, you are right about age being a factor. Young guys fight wars and find it fun. Guys in their 30's and older don’t want to run down the hill to get a cow, but would rather walk down and get them all.😊
Preach!! 🤙🏼
You Are Absolutely Right @Kyle O'Glee
You nailed it again Kyle. I love these candid videos you put out about some of the more scary trends...
Good pilot knows how. Great pilot knows better.
I know you've seen the clip of my "learning opportunity" involving a very gentle and "normal" swoop landing combined with a touch of unexpected downdraft....
Funny how the more I fly, the more I move my playground to higher and higher altitude, and more often over water with a rescue boat. I guess I'm getting less "advanced" with age.
As you said, it's NOT advanced flying, it's advanced risk taking. Any monkey can yank a brake line. Well trained monkeys may be able to get away with it *most* of the time. But I don't like the statistics much these days.
right on Kyle O. don't get stupid down low.
Well said
Preach it brother. Amen.
Just had an accident in the PPG world. Testing equipment at low altitude is also a bad idea.
The three MOST useless things to a paramotor pilot. 1: Altitude above you. 2: Runway behind you. 3: Fuel on the ground. The best lesson my instructor taught me. Ha Ha Ha.
Another great video, brotha Kyle
Leave your swooping the them ladies Kyl'o :)
Great to see a throwback with the seat belt ping...now waiting on a taco visit. #OpenTheRobe
LOL
Wise words Kyle
To sum up what Kyle O said. If you do enough swooping or tip touch landings it's not a matter of if you'll Biff but rather when you Biff. But one thing for sure is you will eventually Biff. As to the severity of it is what's unknown. 😆 Seriously though be safe up there everyone because we've definitely seen enough tragedy in the sport.
Preach on 👍
Dropping truth bombs.
Skin. You forgot skin.
Broken gear, bones and skin.
But hey, at least we don't break laws.
Great message Kyle!
What year discussing here I agree with 100% but here is the reason this is true for you. These things are turbulent flows anywhere but right next to the ocean where you have that big low flat plain you have turbulent flow even though you're closer to the Ocean than I am you have turbulent flows. It's turbulent in every dimension. You can measure it to be turbulence with 100-ft radius 200 ft radius 1 inch. Where I live the wind shifts back and forth about 15° all day. Large masses of air roll through and the windshift 5:52 can model them on their edge as large cylinders. Most of the time in paragliding weather is plus or minus 10%. If you came in and the wind screwed you, you'd be 10% lower than you expected in four seconds. So if you were 40 ft as your danger zone and you made your calculation and you turned in 4 seconds you can be 4 ft deeper into the ground than you had thought and that's pretty hard collision. I also see these people do the swoop landing where you fly along in the brakes and then you put your hands up and it dips and you put the brakes on again and try to fly out for that long stretched out swoop. If you don't get in the brakes hard enough or you like the control authority to tighten the curve enough you fly into the ground on the bad end of the circle and you hit almost square at diving speed. That's another bad angle.
..Sits down with some popcorn..
I don't understand why "fast" is important low to the ground. Can you explain that? Are you saying people should trim out on a reflex wing while foot dragging or playing at 10 feet off the ground?
No. Merely hands high up so you have lift available. If you have no speed, you have nothing to trade for lift. May need to flare, or maneuver.
Agreed. I’ve never wanted to come in fast and drag the edge of my $3000 glider on the ground. And, swooping with 70 lbs of gear on is silly.
I almost died doing a low swooping maneuver on my paramotor .Broken back, broken neck ,and a shattered femur. no more paragliding for me.
Just curious, but isn't there a difference between a swoop landing and a 'hook-turn' swoop landing? The latter being the one that Chucky was attempting? Maybe it's just the lingo - but I was told a 'swoop' landing was done by going hands up, letting the glider dive to get speed, then flaring just as your foot starts to graze the ground - and having a nice, long glide, parallel to the ground. The hook-turn swoop by contrast, adds the 90º or 180º turn before 'final', which adds all that extra speed - and risk - since you have to then manage getting the glider back overhead as you're flaring.
Kyle called me out specifically here, yet I agree with you because I never lobbied for unstable high energy anything... It is my opinion however that it doesn't matter which condition you use to start unwinding that potential energy (either a shallow dive, or a hook turn) so long as you can effectively manage the resultant velocity PRIOR to approaching the ground. THAT, is why, if you're going to employ anything other than a trim speed glide to the ground, you need to practice at a safe altitude FIRST. Proficiency comes with time and practice. Making all of the mistakes at a safe distance above the ground, long before committing to an earth proximity attempt, is the only way greater than trim speed to flare should be used. Just my 2 cents. I have deep respect for Kyle O's opinions.
Do you remember the UFO I have in the background of my flying video I showed you years ago ?
Amen Brother
Great advice! Thanks, your 🧼 📦 of wisdom is always appreciated. Much love back at ya.
Different folks for different folks. Not disagreeing in any way that these maneuvers greatly increase the risk of the sport. I look at it like skiing or mtb, some guys stay on the greens and blues manicured runs. Some run back country with risk of avalanche and low support. Some ride mtb on rail trails and some go Mach Jesus dh and hit backflips over gaps. The thing I find important is that any increase in risk is calculated and understood. While it’s always a personal choice when it comes to any adventure sport on the level of risk taken and some may not personally choice to run that risk profile I don’t agree with looking down on someone for trying to progress.
What he was doing isn't progression though. No one can "boot camp" themselves into high level precision low flying over a few lessons. These skills take years to dial in properly... and more altitude. I'm all for people being good, just not like this.
Thanks Boss. I agree with no low acro, however I have a very short LZ with trees on one end, power lines to left, and water ahead. I usually only fly there when I have wind off the water and can land parallel to the river, but sometimes it switches direction and I have to set up to land toward the water. I have been slowly attempting to induce more of a dive by pulling brakes half way at tree line and releasing so I will induce a shallow dive and level out shorter, but I'm a big chicken when it comes to pulling too much brake. I have 60yo bones that can break if I screw up. Others have told me to try a butterfly motion on the brakes to drop faster. I'm just timid about it. Perhaps it can be the topic of a future video on how to safely practice this. Here is a link to a typical landing at my LZ. ua-cam.com/video/ZqwYf7p4HH8/v-deo.htmlsi=288asFysLbHiUCvy
My point exactly. I would never argue for "aggressive low manuvering", except for the case I made, which Kyle showcases here.
@@YankeeinSC1 I realize that my engine out emergency landing upon launch at that site is definitely going to be a downwind landing or landing in the pluff mud, because I am going to loop it around rather quickly rather than going into the drink. I do need to slowly practice my gentle dives though and that is such a hard thing to practice up high because you have zero sense of the dive duration and rollout distance until the pendulum naturally recovers.
@@JohnHansknecht Furthermore... My "situation" over Don Jordan's yard, was an arrival!...not a mis-planned takeoff. I'd already been flying for an hour and was returning to land when my engine failed. I'd flown over the field for a look at conditions (wind socks) and made a 180 to a fairly high downwind, giving me at least some options, which is more than most people would typically do. When the motor quit however, I only had one option, due to obstructions and power lines...that was LAND on Don's property, prior to gliding past any of the boundaries, most of which are fenced. I kept the speed up and rolled in on the approach end of the runway. I more or less "brute forced" the arrival at warp speed to the approach end, vs. trying to finesse the glide around, hoping I didn't end up short...
My value schemas changed over time, I addmit that once I wanted to be one of those guys that do death spirals and crazy shit on ground. I guess I just got older and realized that tradding off coolnes for risk is a poor idea.
Agreed
I've been assisting Trevor with PPG training for almost 4 years, and I can confirm he never teaches wingtip touches or swoop landings in any of his sessions. He doesn't promote it either. But if someone is already trying such maneuvers and seeks advice, it makes sense to give them the guidance.
Video seemed lil unfair / misrepresenting, Trevor .
❤
Just my 2 cents.
I do agree with you low maneuvers to the ground is just asking for trouble
Hey…. Kyle O… love you… love your good content… hope to fly more with you…. but do you also remember visiting me in Colorado and scaring the pants off my wife and mother in law on my birthday? Pretty sure you were doing aggressive low flying then.. pretty sure you did a VERY low level barrel roll… overall, I agree about the caution and keeping respect for the danger zone.. Also you weren’t teaching…. But there is a bit of juxtaposition here I’m surprised of.
Yes! Fredericksburg I believe? Low exits are not wise, but a 50 foot margin is still much different than dirt level maneuvers. I also recall aiming for a bigger margin that day, but the density altitude reared its ugly head and put me much lower than I was aiming (hence what a good margin is for in the 1st place!) I feel bad for scaring them. To the uninitiated onlooker, it is very scary to see at any altitude without having a reference point. That particular incident caused me to start holding back aggressive maneuvers from any public observation viewpoint. I've also grown much more as a pilot as well since then. Good job calling me out on it! Hope you are doing well!
@@kyleoglee Respect! Yeah, Frederick! I was surprised at the move…. But I’m not gonna lie, it was pretty sweet too! Haha, guilty pleasure! We all get to choose the risk envelope we fly under, I’m know for higher risk profile as well. Yeah, I’ve grown leaps and bounds since then as well. This sport is truly a forever learning and fine tuning activity! I’m doing great! Creating my own birds these days and loving it! Safe landings friend! Also…. More content… miss listening to you!
A superior pilot uses his superior judgment in order to avoid needing to use there superior skill
Heres my opinion live and let die.
Paramotoring to someone that does not do it could say it is dangerous too.
Its better to teach someone a dangerous flight manoeuvre than not teach.
Afterall you could have taught youself paramororing but chose not to.
Advancement in all aviation unfortunately involves risking life and limb and has always been so.
Some sage wisdom 🫶
The closer you get to the margins the higher the risk goes up. Coming from a guy who put his best friend into a lifeflight helo.
Amen
Iam really interested in getting training from you where do I go about that ?
Drop me an email. Address is in the video description.
@@kyleoglee I shot you an email today. Look forward to getting a chance to talk to you
#REALTALK
Broken gear, broken bones and you forgot. DEATH! Not overly dramatic, a very real possibility! How many “pilots” realize how close they come to stalling their wing during those aggressive banking swoops and pull ups? Unlike a rigid wing, the paraglider collapses (usually asymmetrically) and there is no altitude to recover. Result, a slam into the ground. It is not just fast, stable and focused that is important. People think speed equals safety, but wing loading due to steep bank and loading due to the pull up mean that the stall speed can be way higher. A wing can stall at any speed and any attitude. This applies to all wings from a PPG, Cessna and all the way up to a large jet. How many instructors understand aerodynamics? And how many emphasize aeroD to their students? I do NOT like the way things are trending in this sport. Regulation is on the horizon! Mark my words.
Your wife is a good sport! LOL
Eating popcorn gif
The trees look soft but there not lol
why I don't go to PPG fly in events.. see more DUMB stuff there than anywhere.
Thats exactly why I created a "No low acro" zone around EFD this year. If someone wants to play around down low they can go off airport property to do that. :)
Wise words. If you play with a knife. You will get cut.
I love how Kyle is always "The adult in the room." Keep doing what you do, Kyle. You're a tremendous example for the sport and your videos have helped me a lot. 🪂
I Bet 10 paramotor pilots working Together could find that F-35 Missing Jet and become american Heros
To much thinking "Risky"
Sad to say, common sense is really lacking today..
How can I
OUT-STUPID
the next guy mentality..
You let your feet run wild
Time has come as we all, oh, go down
Yeah but for the fall, ooh, my
And way down we go
Whoa, we get what we deserve
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“Low maneuvering recently surpassed drowning as the biggest fatality in our sport”
That’s a big claim. What is your source? Where is your data?
I think you are making this statistic up to make your argument sound better.
@fobio2101 If you believe that drowning is the “biggest fatality” (most common way to die) in paramotoring, could you mention why you believe that to be the case?
Low and slow.
Totally support you on that but it feels a little disingenuous to be discouraging people from doing dangerous things in a video recorded with one hand on the wheel. Record it in a garage or hangar or just at the kitchen table! If you just talk/think better in the car for the love of god stick a gopro or phone mount on your dash instead of holding the stick the whole time (I can see it in your sunglasses!)
bru who cares. the whole point of the sport is to have fun. you shouldnt have a problem with someone else risking their life.. its not your life. relax
Lol tell it to every slalom pilot....it's absolutely advanced to do it good....same as being able to do a loopy loop it's not advanced it's simply driving/ flying that vehicle as it can be.
Low flying has the same risk high flying acro.
To say it's any worse is entirely based of ability and conditions.
How great is it when your fail safe fails from 5k agl.....you die
How many hit in low flying that doesn't die....
Love to debate this...
Advanced maneuvers or what ever are not for every pilot. A pilot who seeks training in such things is by no means irresponsible. There is a time and place to learn these things and as pilots we are free to do so. After all, we fly because we enjoy the freedom of flight. Nobody likes drama queens, if you had a problem with somebody or something being taught then you should talk to the people involved and keep this kind of sh*t offline.
I still call BS. This type of maneuvering ends badly, and people need to know it. I'm all for people learning it, but it aint something you gather over a weekend. It's like instructing a footdrag. Takes time, lots and lots of time. The only thing dramatic about it is the injuries sustained. Trevor himself is in a wheelchair because of this stuff.
@@kyleoglee Foot dragging is dangerous, it is a form of low maneuvering which can end badly. You teach it. Should somebody make a video about how stupid foot dragging is and drop your name in on it once you f*ck up?
I consider swoop landing to be acro.I like doing them but they are very risky!
Swooping doesn't end well even for birds. I see them all the time plowing into windows.