With respect to the ending, trashing new York and presumably the earth, it's not stated, it's more of an assumption based on his previous actions. He just sort of, heads to the surface, and, doesn't really do much. Comes into contact with a woman. But really, what would Lucifer do? The books ending is far lamer, he heads to New York and, just, doesn't do anything..... Hell is destroyed by angels, no less. Baffling. So I took some artistic license with the end, because, frankly the true ending, is bollocks
I really looked forward to The Scarlet Gospels and I was so disappointed. I love Pinhead, yes he's pure evil but he's so intriguing and I want to know everything about him and the cenobites and the labyrinth and for me that was hell! I did really enjoy the book until they went to hell. The characters bored me, I didn't care care about them like I normally do! I didn't like a romance happening in hell🤣 really could you be flirty covered in blood and fearing for your life? It wasn't like Clive Barker, it was like he couldn't be bothered or had been hassled into it. Lucifers story was just awful, Pinhead V Lucifer just didn't do it for me
This would be great as a rebooted trilogy (strictly trilogy) featuring Doug Bradley as an older Hell Priest making one last effort to control the entire dark universe.
I was hoping that scarlet gospels would be made into a movie. Even had an idea of them releasing Hellraiser 1 & 2 along with Lord of Illusions as a set to introduce people to the characters before a scarlet gospels movie would release. Or have the four movies release as a box set together. Maybe even just shave it down to Hellraiser, Lord of Illusions and Scarlet Gospels.
The Bible doesn’t say lucifer even has feats to come close to the feats of the HellPriest. Especially the HellPriest in the movies. The HellPriest can control reality, mind raping abilities. Mind rapes spirits and destroys souls over and over for eternity. Lucifer doesn’t have those powers according to the Bible. He just deceives people and lies and that’s it. Lucifers a piece of trash. The HellPriest would rape lucifer with those hell hooks from one asshole to another.
I like how Lucifer had to construct an entire building sized death machine to kill himself. Like, that was the only way to successfully “end” his life.
Clive Barker is documented to have been involved directly with the production of the first four Hellraiser films, at the very least as Executive Producer. For the fourth, Hellraiser: Bloodline, Barker was brought in to help sort out the story and subsequent editing after the initial film had been rejected by the producers. After that point, he wisely walked away and let the series literally go to hell. He thereafter spoke of his selling the rights to Hellraiser films as a 'Faustian bargain' he somewhat regretted. Who could blame him, seeing as how excremental the series generally became after Bloodline.
Again, I must say I do love how Clive portrayed Lucifer. Imagine being so intimately close to God in all His glory and majesty, and then one mistake (granted, it's a really, REALLY bad one) cuts you off from Him forever. Must be devastating. I see it as a child who rebels against their parent. We've all been there, right? However, in their rebellion they do something to injure the relationship greatly, and the parent is taken away from them by, say, death or some other dire, irreversible manner. The guilt said child must feel, the overwhelming, all-consuming pain. No wonder Lucifer decided to end his suffering. I'd also be pretty pissed off if I was brought back to suffer once more (albeit unintentional). It's seriously one of my favourite aspects of the novel. It's definitely a departure from the irredeemably evil caricature that the concept of Satan has become.
@@Drp_br_ that's what I've always thought. I cannot imagine a worse punishment than being eternally denied the grace of God. To be forever damned. Another book along the same lines is Anne Rice's _Memnoch the Devil_ . In it, Memnoch (Lucifer) speaks of how unjust God actually is and that he was punished for standing against His divine tyranny. It's an interesting concept.
@@FransHattingh Lucifer refused to accept he was below humans, he believed he was above man, and his pride wouldn't allow him be a servant to man!!!... Lucifer chose his fate!!..and convinced other angels to side with him!!..God could've destroyed Lucifer but that isn't how heaven works...God gives free will, and gave Lucifer free will to choose..if God was to kill Lucifer he would've been giving a message to all the angels in heaven that if you don't do as your told and love me I will kill you!!....no!!!..he gave Lucifer free will like he gave man free will to choose to obey or to disobey!!... Lucifer rules the earth, his war is against all God's chosen...not unbelievers!!..
@@perrysaker1526, are you referring to Clive Barker's version of Lucifer, or the Biblical character? While both are fictional, I thought I'd try to differentiate.
His death was not confirmed in the Scarlett Gospels. Pin Head was severely injured after fighting Lucifer and his general. Then he killed Harry's blind friend. Lucifer collapse the ceiling in hell and lived as a human at the end. Meanwhile Harry became blind, can only see ghosts, and took his friend's apartment as his own.
The battle between Lucifer and Hell Priest was very exciting to me when I read it, I enjoyed trying to visualize the land scape as the main characters walk through the streets of hell.
Clive Barker is still a great storyteller, I wish he would write and publish more stories, He has given us not only the hell raiser stories but nightbreed and candyman as well.
I liked The Scarlet Gospels, but I think it's pretty clear that Barker didn't actually write it. I think he outlined it, but it doesn't read like a Barker novel.
I just started reading Clive Barker, The Hellbound Heart and The Thief of Always. I really enjoyed those books mainly because of Barker’s fantastic writing, which was surprisingly kind of pretty. I didn’t get that from The Scarlett Gospels, which was very disappointing.
To the point about the tone having been different in 'Scarlet Gospels' I'm not entirely sure I see your point. However, I also haven't read the entire Clive Barker catalog. I've read five of the novels and novellas. Perhaps a quick example...? But continuing this opinion about the tone being off, thus written by another author, I've read elsewhere on the internets by what appeared to be unconnected sources, Clive Barker had submitted a much lengthier version, as Clive might like to hear it described a girthier version. In time though the publishing company removed some of the trunk to make it a more sapling-esque version motivated by what I read in only one place as an attempt to make it TEEN-friendlier. Take that info as you will. This as that are all just a digital illusion in a blind man's iPhone.
Mr. H, please keep up the good work! Nobody on here really has a channel that says anything about hellraiser but you! Thank you for seemingly keeping this franchise alive and relevant with updates and information about a reboot! The fans of hellraiser also keep it alive of course, but you help keep it on the forefront! THANK YOU
I think that Satan´s idea was to make Pinhead rest. Because he could not stand the idea of Pinhead becoming an unpredictable force which could result in the annihilation of humanity, depriving the Devil himself of control over Earth. Pinhead had had over 700 k. millennia to learn to respect and value human life. But his ceaseless appetite for power, and thus his narcissism, became his downfall. His failure to respect Lucifer´s respect, became his downfall, because his arrogance had made him into his worst enemy. Pinhead did for Hell what Albert Bourla and Steve Peters did for medicine. So to Satan, the man who is created to teach others how to live in peace from pain and suffering, is destined to rest in peace as a result of his downward spiral. In short, Pinhead died, because he spammed admin. Thanks for your video man. Excellent breakdown and analysis. Kind regards from Iceland.
This is truly bizarre timing...I finished reading The Scarlet Gospels just this morning. Overall I found it disappointing. The opening is excellent, takes a bit of a slump, and livens up when The Harrowers reach Hell...but the writing suddenly takes a downturn as if I was reading Barker's first, unpolished draft. The whole thing felt underdeveloped and rushed. Edit: I love your Hellraiser content...keep it coming!
I finished the scarlet gospels ages ago so my recollection may be off. I don't recall Lucifer destroying New York? I remember he escaped hell, came to earth and a woman picks him up on the side of the road and kinda falls in love with him? my favorite part of the book was when Lucifer was revealed. I thought he would be some goat horned thing but was actually depicted as being angelic. someone below in the comments said the only good parts of the book were the pinhead scenes, but for me he just came across as a cheesy Saturday morning cartoon villain.
@@dimwitsixtytwelve Agreed about Pinhead...I don't know if I should be talking spoilers in the comments, but it was stupidly uncharacteristic for him to just blind his enemy and leave...a lot throughtout the book didn't add up. In the opening chapter we see Pinhead force a woman to carry a hellspawn to term and then...it's gone, never to be mentioned again. It isn't a good book, imo. And as mr H mentions above, you're not misremembering: lucifer arrives at new york and the novel ends.
Chubby Boy it was the conclusion to his universe. He is done with Hellraiser bc he is either tired of writing the same old universe or he is just done in general
@@Drp_br_ I heard he was super over the whole hell raiser thing, I can believe it too. first interview I read about the book (which took AGES to finish) was that pinhead WILL die. kind of a weird way to promote a book by giving away a large part of the ending :/
I mean, the place described in the Scarlet Gospels has a Christian-like version of hell with a recognizable name for the devil, but it's worth mentioning that what is described here isn't strictly speaking a biblical hell. In Christian tradition, Lucifer is the lord of the Earth ('the prince of the powers of the air'), not hell. He's not in some far away place punishing the damned, but 'roaming the Earth like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour'. That might have been a more interesting way to go from a narrative perspective.
Forget all these horrible Hellraiser sequels/reboots. The Scarlet Gospels is the Hellraiser movie the fans want and the world needs. Fantasy horror at its best!!! Until we have *this* adaptation of Clive Barker's works, I don't give a fuck about any "Hellraiser" anything. THIS is what *we* want!!!
True. They are supposed to be explorers in the far reaches. Hell is only vaguely implied and not much of a focus. They come off as a whole different existence. But you're right, it just turned out to be lame ol' hell. Don't understand Clive Barkers big issue considering he was the force behind the first two films.. Kind of left all that behind despite that being him.. Should have just carried on from the second film in a meaningful way. Shame.
@@reignofrock I thought it was going to be like the idea of hell or hades or any other afterlife punishment was influenced by the labyrinth and almost make it seem like the films could be happening in our reality
This is my main gripe with a lot of the Urban Fantasy genre, be it horror or not, the otherworldly realms of light and darkness almost inevitably seem to get reshaped into to much of an analogue to contemporary christian visions of heaven and hell
I've always felt Clive created Hellraiser after reading Milton's Paradise lost. And The Hellpriest is supposed to be the daemon speaking to Lucifer and heard him say "And in my choyce To reign is worth Ambition though in Hell, Tis better to reign in Hell than serve in heave'n. The Cenobite's being "th' associates and copartners of our loss." Literally the Religious order that tried to overthrow God.
I wish more IPs did what Lucus did before Disney, let talented writers and too the story. Give it some structure then let it roll. Some will bomb but others will open to incredible
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 sorry for poor comment a year ago. Basically I liked how Lucas let the EU continue the story past the movies. Some of the books are really good.
Every page in the Scarlet Gospels was trash except for the Pinhead passages. I waited 10+ years for the Scarlet Gospels. I was in high school when I first heard about this in the late 90s. The writing was so unpolished and...uncreative (?) by Barker except when he was writing Pinhead. Every other word of dialogue was a profanity from what I recall. It was very disappointing. With a few more drafts it could have been great.
I don't think more drafts would've saved it, because the story itself isn't good. The decision to turn it into the standard Catholic hell robs the Hellraiser universe of what made it unique and original to begin with. I was shocked that Barker's imagination became so impoverished. Did he become a lot more religious when writing this or something? It felt like he wanted to nuke his own creation from orbit.
@@theoldone51 I don't know. You could be right, but I do feel there was potential with the way hell was described and laid out. With more mythology added in, perhaps more Dante Inferno aspects with different levels of hell with one being Leviathan's Labyrinth something better than what we got was possible.
I really liked this book and really enjoyed the ending ...i just kinda looked at it as an alternative reality and a different pinhead when it came to the changes of hell and all that
Honestly, it’s in keeping with the evolution of Barker’s writings. Look at Coldheart Canyon. The Devil’s Country is an S&M Wonderland, but in an explicitly Satanic sense, not the totally alien sensory explorations of the Cenobites of The Hellbound Heart. Coldheart Canyon, incidentally, includes references to God and the Devil, and appearances by Lilith and an angel. What confuses me is Barker’s antipathy towards elements like Leviathan and the Labyrinth, which he himself introduced in Hellraiser 2. So I don’t get it, except as an indication of Barker becoming more interested in traditional religious ideas of good and evil.
@@orionsshoe2424 In fact he did the first and I believe the second, then he distanced himself more and more as the movies went to shit. The comics though do better justice for the franchise.
From what I remember after Lucifer stopped the Hell Priest, he literally brought the roof of Hell down on top of it, destroying Hell. Not New York. He leaves Hell to take a human form and moves to Nee York.
I was looking forward to reading this when I heard it was being released, then when I did read it I was actually disappointed with it. Parts of it were really good, like the character of D'Amour and his friends. But I hate the way The Hell Priest was written. It was totally NOT how he was set in The Hellbound Heart and indeed, how the first two movies portrayed him, which at least stuck to characters role within the story. However I felt Clive Barker focused TOO much on his personal dislike of where the franchise was taken, thanks to the studios pissing around with it just to retain the rights. Ultimately I felt like the way Hell Priest was written in The Scarlet Gospels was no better or indeed, any different to the way he had been portrayed in most of the hashed movies, which is quite ironic seeing how much Clive Barker has become to resent them because of that. I also felt that by the end of the book, he lost interest with even finishing the story properly and just half arsed it
if you do like the character D'Amour he is in several of Barker's books. I will assume (perhaps wrongly) that you haven't read any of barkers other books since you didn't state one way or another. The short story "the last illusion" of which the lord of illusions movie is based has Harry in it. the books the great and secret show and everville both have him in it also. probably 1 or 2 others i cant think of off the top of my head. the great and secret show and everville are both great books tho my favorite of his does not have harry in it, Imajica, which i highly recommend reading also.
@@multieyedmyr Yeah, I know he was the main character in Last Illusion, and the subsequent film adaptation. I've read Hellbound Heart, Mister B. Gone and started Weaveworld, although I must admit I found that one hard to stick with. Will have to look out for the others
The spears being removed is what brought lucifer back to life the armour was a punishment by god to stop lucifer dying which is why he impaled himself to leave himself dead and balance the armours power.
Barker’s works always rate an A+ when I begin reading because he is such a master storyteller. I finished Gospels with a B- grade. The overall tone was that of a creator who just want this to be over. The insertion of a Christian mythos was a mistake. The detailed description of Hell suffered and at times seemed more like a late night walking tour of the streets of San Francisco. And what happened to that “daughter” he sired at the beginning? Truly a disappointment.
THANKS !! WHERE the HELL is she ?? To the very last page I truly hoped something would have been made with her, like a vessel for Priest to come back as a feminine version, but no... Wasted twist opportunity. I was CERTAIN it was made on purpose, considering how specific it was to do this. In the end it seems to only have been an "abortion punishment shocker", nothing more.
If one frame-steps the explosion of the space station at the end of Hellraiser 4, one can clearly see one of the burning chunks is the Lament Configuration, and it's coming right at the craft. It got a ride back to earth that way. Evil never dies.
That's the same vibe I got from The Scarlet Gospels too. The book came off like Barker finally shedding himself of one of his most famous creations. The book, "It's Alive: Bringing Your Nightmares to Life" has an interview with Clive Barker. In it, Barker explains that he didn't intend on Pinhead becoming a sex symbol. According to him, "He's very sexualized but he talks about pain and pleasure in a detached way. You don't get the impression he's getting off every Wednesday." However, Barker seems aware by how his work has been interpreted by others stating, "...yet you get told what is true by the people who read you, am I right? It's people's response to the work that tells you what the work is. It never occurred to me that these rather ominous figures would ever be attractive. For example: his (Pinhead) is not a face you could touch. By his very nature, it's gonna hurt. Not in a good way. Plus, his personality is not fun. For me to be sexy is to be fun. He is not fun. He is judgemental, he is cold, and I think that nature is opposite to sexy." The interview has some interesting insights behind the creation of the first Hellraiser movie that I thought was pretty awesome, like the fucking music, but from I've read in a lot of other Clive Barker interviews when he talks about Pinhead he seems very detached from the character and the franchise as a whole.
Very interesting, Satan killing Pinhead. Evil vs. Evil, as the latest movie tells "evil seeks evil" and in consequence it takes evil to destroy evil. Pinhead wanted to be pretty much a new satan and evil came back and destroyed him. This was really interesting. Damn the Hellraiser universe is amazing, mixing religion with its own religion.
"Behated"? _The Scarlet Gospels_ cosmology, like you say, was just odd - the Cenobites begin as extradimensional weirdos, but then Barker's like, "F*** it, yeah, it's hell now." I wonder if it was a troll of the series - like a witting (?) _Prince Lestat and the Realms of Atlantis_ .
I know how he was originally supposed to die. The story goes as follows. Back in the early 2000s Clive Barker was phone interviewed on a radio show;Mancows morning madhouse in Chicago. Mancow asked if he was going to make any more hellraiser and pinhead. CB: No! As a matter of fact as soon as I am done with this interview I am going to go into my office and write the death of pinhead. Mancow: oh so there IS going to be more? CB: NO! I'm going to take a post it note and write pinhead dies...the end! I don't care but this was funny to me when I heard it.
it would have to be profoundly censored as most of it just demons wanking/cumming or there is some form of rape/molestation that happens. plus lucifers appearence would need to be censored since he is naked and depicted with a oversized penis/bush alongside the countless scenes of over-the-top gore and sex. it would be cool but it WILL be censored or adapted into something that isnt outright gore/porn
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It sounds like the Hell Priest is the Messiah/Antichrist. He battles Lucifer in the Gospel armor of Revelations, and his lust for power precipitates Armageddon.
If you read the Scarlet gospels, it wasn't exactly easy. Lucifer even acknowledged that. And the hell priest technically survives he blinded harry after he was vanquished. And his end isnt shown. Just him looking at the aftermath of Lucifers temper tantrum
i found your channel when you were exclusively doing things like this and you hadn’t even revealed your face. i would always wonder what you looked like bro! your voice was so professorial, i was legitimately surprised at how you looked when you finally came out. great stuff !!!!
If he did not like the way the movies portrayed his creation then he should have kept control of it instead of whining about how badly others have handled it.
@shogun harlem Makes sense when you view it from the angle he viewed the cenobites as useful for that story but not worth expanding on and exploring more of their universe yet others decided they were worth developing further..
Barker and Lucas need to get together and have a pity party. Both franchises would have been improved if they hadn’t given up their babies for adoption.
Okay, think about it for a little bit about how Cenobites are created. Cenobites are humans that were mutated/transformed into Cenobites. They never really died in the first place. They then could only be killed by a relic, hellish weapon, blessed weapon or someone very powerful. Lucifer, whom killed himself, still had his essence within his armor. His mortal shell was resurrected, his essence returned to his mortal shell. He awoke from Limbo. Then killed the Cenobites. The Cenobites died in Hell, so they are probably in that Limbo state, unable to resurrect themselves, only can be resurrected by Lucifer or someone poweful.
@@cainabel6356 the Scarlet Gospel version of Pinhead was never confirmed to have been a human. Also, Lucifer killed 2 angels in the book. Angels were never "mortals" to begin with.
@@cainabel6356 if u think about it cenobites are suppose to be demons a demon is a spirit that can be physical if choose to satan can’t die ether because he is a fallen angle a spirit but it’s a book and u can write a book how u like it to be but if based of real life demons can’t die but they can’t over power satan ether.
@@adrianquinonez6667 - Well I am talking about Cenobites, which are demons to themselves, but are able to be killed off, die. If you are going by the Bible. Then God is the only one that could destroy them completely.
I see it as Clive barker originally playing with the word ecstasy's meaning. The point where pain and pleasure melt into one. everybody seeks the Cenobites to experience ecstasy thinking it is ultimate pleasure, while the Cenobites sees pain as the ultimate way to reach ecstasy. In that way they are not evil, just helping the people to reach ecstasy from their point of view. I think that Clive got tired with the franchise using his originally concept to become something else and killed him of.
The Scarlett Gospels is probably the worst thing Clive Barker has ever written almost deliberately so. The Dragon Ball Z fight between a Lucifer and the Hell Priest was painfully stupid. I know that's not the point of the video, but still...
More Hellraiser? Yes please! Also, did any of Barker's other works interest you? I'd love to know more about Rawhead Rex. Or his children's books? The Thief of Always and Abarat.
@@smackers705 Yeah I know. I heard it flopped at the box office and Clive Barker disowned the movie because he lost creative control, hence no interest. Maybe Shout Factory can reissue it.
@@smackers705 That and I recall it because I thought the title sounded cool. I remember the Syfy Channel played it once or twice when I was much younger.
What an end. I'd like to think that the scarlet gospels isn't the end of pinhead tho. I mean he technically knows every known conceivable form of magic so It wouldn't be far fetched to think he could resurrect himselft
I know this would be really weird, but given your penchant for dark topics, this one has real world mythology in it. You could explore that a bit more with your amazing voice like no other. I wonder about Gozer from ghost busters, and her minions, could they have been "real"?
In certain pictures pinhead the hell priest looks like he's been hitting the weights. All joking aside I wish they would just make one amazing movie. Hellraiser has been screwed with and done and redone that only 3 of the movies really in my opinion are good. 1,2,and 4. Mr.H you are without a doubt my favorite UA-camr and go to guy for anything concerning hellraiser and horror. God bless and good luck!!!! Sincerely your friend across the pond.
The thing I liked about this story/subject was the implication that he'll was a sort of "last retreat or place of refuge for equivalent exchange" and im missing a lot of the story and it could still be inclusive of that concept or aspect it would just be a bit 'anti-climactic' to something that from all I have seen and found (which really isnt that much respectively) of this story line was only ever "potentially implied". Thank you for the post/subject in any case. -b
When i read scarlet gospels i wondered about the differences between the films and book. One person described scarlet gospels as a sequel to the first film. Like you said leviathen is not mentioned etc. I liked scarlet gospels but i couldnt read much of the first book its not my cup of tea. Good vid
Your voice is butter. Why not just some quick videos where you do nothing but narrate (oone at a time) some of your favorite chapters from your favorite books?
@Maggie Lynn correct. Lucifer comes to earth and pinhead was left in hell. At the end of the book one of Harry's friends opens a puzzle box by mistake. But when the door to hell opens no one passes through. No hooks, chains, beasts, or cenobites
I think it sets a good example on how to bring an end to something that has sadly dried up due to the whole beating a dead horse metaphor. Loved hellraiser 1 and 2, but after 5 and 6 I was like come on man.
I've got to ask because I don't see it being addressed below in the comments. Maybe I'm just missing something because I HAVE read the Hellbound Heart (a long while back), but I haven't read the Scarlet Gospels. Here is my question: Are we CERTAIN that this is the same story? The Cenobites in the book are....Kind of freeform. If anything, the main entity in "charge" seemed to be the mysterious Engineer. Now, I know Clive wrote that story and based the film Hellraiser off of it. But....Are we CERTAIN that the Scarlet Gospels is a sequel to the Hellbound Heart. Or could it be Clive's way of saying: "You don't want my novella. You want the movie version with...Pinhead. Alright. I'll write a book for that. And wipe him out. There you go. End of story." The Hellbound Heart and Scarlet Gospels just don't seem to be on the same page. I mean, it doesn't really matter. Just something I noticed. Hellbound Heart seemed to be more about chaos and order. And Scarlet Gospels, from what I've heard, seems the typical good vs. evil. Similar concepts, but very different. This would be a good question for someone to ask Clive in an interview. He's sick of the "I love Pinhead" comments, anyway. For the record, he's not a fan of the sequels to Hellraiser, but what has angered him the most is the fact that Doug Bradley got taken out as Pinhead. He's gets livid when you bring that up. When you talk about the movies, he's kind of "meh." But you bring up the actor switch, you'll get to see a man ENRAGED!
Amazing book, really. Kinda bitter ending, but hey, hello? Its a horror series. I thought his demise and the circumstances were thoughtful and quite intriguing.
Pinhead has been a member of my family from the beginning (the 80’s) and the book is pretty good but my inner child can’t believe his favorite movie character is gone
So he's basically the version of the pope of hell, and with the same aims, to erase the higher power and transition themselves as the "head" of the game.
Hope all is well H. Quick question to yourself? In terms of the Hellraiser films how far should I go before they drop in quality and not worth watching anymore. I have watched the first two and will watch the third tonight.
The only reason Clive doesn't like the Hellraiser Franchise is because H.R. Giger beat him to the punch and now hes trying to catch up by rebooting his idea. Nothing wrong with the forst 2 Hellraiser films if you take it for what it worth. Still has more context han a Freddy, Jason or Halloween movie hands down.
You forgot mention that lucifer competely destroyed hell . I did not catch that he destroyed new york. However i do not care as i thought the book trash. U did a reading of a potential remake or screen play of the box maker and i loved it.
I bought the book in hardback a while ago. I didn't get very far in. I was reading it for a while, put it down one day and just never picked it up again.
I have noticed that most older people (in general) tend to become more conservative and latch onto standard religious tropes more and more. It seems that Clive Barker is exhibiting those traits. His younger self was much more open-minded and eager to explore internal realms and alternative philosophies along with alternative lifestyles. But, when you spend years with fading health and fading vitality, along with accumulated heartbreaks and disappointments, and "mortality" knocking louder at your door, you tend to become averse to things representing "wildness" of youth, favoring ideas that give stable emotional comfort. Unless you are up to the challenge of FULLY exploring the "inner world" and strive to become a "Master-Shaman" (of some form), your fascination for these things will just run its course in old age. Clive has definitely lost his edge with maturity (but it IS reversible sometimes). Someone who is seriously willing to continue the course Clive has initiated must NOW pick up the torch, or it will die just like Pinhead. Clive has really wanted to "kill the whole thing" for a long time now. "The Scarlet Gospels" was his attempt to accomplish that when mere ongoing "neglect" failed to do the job. Apparently, it DIDN'T kill it as intended ... and here we are. I just hope that the new torch-bearers will do it justice.
With respect to the ending, trashing new York and presumably the earth, it's not stated, it's more of an assumption based on his previous actions. He just sort of, heads to the surface, and, doesn't really do much. Comes into contact with a woman. But really, what would Lucifer do? The books ending is far lamer, he heads to New York and, just, doesn't do anything..... Hell is destroyed by angels, no less. Baffling. So I took some artistic license with the end, because, frankly the true ending, is bollocks
That was interesting
Maybe because I've been playing a lot of Doom Eternal but I imagine Lucifer coming to New York and Doom Slayer is there waiting for him lol
Lucifer eats pizza.
I really looked forward to The Scarlet Gospels and I was so disappointed.
I love Pinhead, yes he's pure evil but he's so intriguing and I want to know everything about him and the cenobites and the labyrinth and for me that was hell!
I did really enjoy the book until they went to hell.
The characters bored me, I didn't care care about them like I normally do! I didn't like a romance happening in hell🤣 really could you be flirty covered in blood and fearing for your life?
It wasn't like Clive Barker, it was like he couldn't be bothered or had been hassled into it.
Lucifers story was just awful, Pinhead V Lucifer just didn't do it for me
What is this "Christian hell we all know of"? I know of no such thing; you may benefit from contemplating your assertion.
This would be great as a rebooted trilogy (strictly trilogy) featuring Doug Bradley as an older Hell Priest making one last effort to control the entire dark universe.
I think Hugh Jackman or Mads Mikkelson would do the Hell Priest justice
Read the scarlet gospels its amazing. Pinhead is a godlike figure by the end and Harry damore is featured as the hero kinda
I was hoping that scarlet gospels would be made into a movie. Even had an idea of them releasing Hellraiser 1 & 2 along with Lord of Illusions as a set to introduce people to the characters before a scarlet gospels movie would release. Or have the four movies release as a box set together. Maybe even just shave it down to Hellraiser, Lord of Illusions and Scarlet Gospels.
Its been 2 years since you wrote this comment, so now that the reboot is on Hulu, what did you think of it?
I doubt Bradley would do it but.... wouldn't be a bad idea...I might even watch it.... maybe
I would never expect the HellPriest to even have the ability to even be able to give Lucifer a fight.
@@InanisNihil Lol😃😃😃
Facts indeed lol😃
The Bible doesn’t say lucifer even has feats to come close to the feats of the HellPriest. Especially the HellPriest in the movies. The HellPriest can control reality, mind raping abilities. Mind rapes spirits and destroys souls over and over for eternity. Lucifer doesn’t have those powers according to the Bible. He just deceives people and lies and that’s it. Lucifers a piece of trash. The HellPriest would rape lucifer with those hell hooks from one asshole to another.
Hell Priest thought he could give Lucy a fight since the armor and powers he stole boosted him for damn sure. But Lucy is still The Devil.
But now that I think about it..........Doesn't Pinhead and the devil share the same powers lol?
@@ronaldcollins69 No, Lucifer was created by God with god-like powers; Pinhead acquired only what power Leviathan allowed him.
I like how Lucifer had to construct an entire building sized death machine to kill himself. Like, that was the only way to successfully “end” his life.
Clive Barker is documented to have been involved directly with the production of the first four Hellraiser films, at the very least as Executive Producer. For the fourth, Hellraiser: Bloodline, Barker was brought in to help sort out the story and subsequent editing after the initial film had been rejected by the producers. After that point, he wisely walked away and let the series literally go to hell. He thereafter spoke of his selling the rights to Hellraiser films as a 'Faustian bargain' he somewhat regretted. Who could blame him, seeing as how excremental the series generally became after Bloodline.
Kylo Ren: Let the past die! Kill it if you have to!
Clive Barker: Yes!
@Z That's racist! Lol
@@DeathBYDesign666 lol black people dont survive long enough for title to come up 😆
He should do *Weaveworld.*
Pinhead " You opened the box...you summoned us...we came..."
Me " I think you need next door mate..."
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bob crutch 😂👀👍
Now in Dead by Daylight he just says "You opened the box... I CAME!!" the memes.
@@casedistorted that’s what she said
All your Hellraizer content is my definitive favorites. Absolutely love it and highly appreciated your great work doing this. Thank you! 👍🙏
Again, I must say I do love how Clive portrayed Lucifer. Imagine being so intimately close to God in all His glory and majesty, and then one mistake (granted, it's a really, REALLY bad one) cuts you off from Him forever. Must be devastating. I see it as a child who rebels against their parent. We've all been there, right? However, in their rebellion they do something to injure the relationship greatly, and the parent is taken away from them by, say, death or some other dire, irreversible manner. The guilt said child must feel, the overwhelming, all-consuming pain. No wonder Lucifer decided to end his suffering. I'd also be pretty pissed off if I was brought back to suffer once more (albeit unintentional).
It's seriously one of my favourite aspects of the novel. It's definitely a departure from the irredeemably evil caricature that the concept of Satan has become.
Frans Hattingh HES more of a regretful creature then a pure beast Christianity betrays him
@@Drp_br_ that's what I've always thought. I cannot imagine a worse punishment than being eternally denied the grace of God. To be forever damned. Another book along the same lines is Anne Rice's _Memnoch the Devil_ . In it, Memnoch (Lucifer) speaks of how unjust God actually is and that he was punished for standing against His divine tyranny. It's an interesting concept.
Frans Hattingh Yh it is what fantasy stories can tell, fantasy horror more like
@@FransHattingh Lucifer refused to accept he was below humans, he believed he was above man, and his pride wouldn't allow him be a servant to man!!!...
Lucifer chose his fate!!..and convinced other angels to side with him!!..God could've destroyed Lucifer but that isn't how heaven works...God gives free will, and gave Lucifer free will to choose..if God was to kill Lucifer he would've been giving a message to all the angels in heaven that if you don't do as your told and love me I will kill you!!....no!!!..he gave Lucifer free will like he gave man free will to choose to obey or to disobey!!...
Lucifer rules the earth, his war is against all God's chosen...not unbelievers!!..
@@perrysaker1526, are you referring to Clive Barker's version of Lucifer, or the Biblical character? While both are fictional, I thought I'd try to differentiate.
I have a 12in pinhead statue and I just adore it.
Well, have I gotta guy for you!!!!
@@davidgreen5099 simp
That sounds....painful.
Christina Ho can you push the pins in?
Let's get married Ho!
His death was not confirmed in the Scarlett Gospels. Pin Head was severely injured after fighting Lucifer and his general. Then he killed Harry's blind friend.
Lucifer collapse the ceiling in hell and lived as a human at the end. Meanwhile Harry became blind, can only see ghosts, and took his friend's apartment as his own.
Didn’t pinhead rape a girl to death or am I wrong
@@EDsavant No, it was his right hand.
@@EDsavant Harry's friend Norma.
Thank you. This guy confused me. But I did read the book rite.
@@EDsavant he raped an old lady. Stupid idea. Destroyed the character.
Found you from your Picard finale review, but this week you’ve quickly become one of my favorite UA-camrs! Keep up the good work
I think it would be cool to explore how the Cenebites came into being. And how long they've been doing what they do.
I want a Hellpriest in Lucifer's Armor figure!
pir8prod Lucifer’s armour?
Plss yes
Broo how badass would that be!?
Google has one
I can literally visualize this, ever since I read the book, and it's fk'n AWESOME!!
The battle between Lucifer and Hell Priest was very exciting to me when I read it, I enjoyed trying to visualize the land scape as the main characters walk through the streets of hell.
i loved the fire throne in it.
The suicide machine was quite a vivid thing to imagine. A whole temple designed to help lucifer kill himself.
Clive Barker is still a great storyteller, I wish he would write and publish more stories, He has given us not only the hell raiser stories but nightbreed and candyman as well.
I liked The Scarlet Gospels, but I think it's pretty clear that Barker didn't actually write it. I think he outlined it, but it doesn't read like a Barker novel.
I just started reading Clive Barker, The Hellbound Heart and The Thief of Always. I really enjoyed those books mainly because of Barker’s fantastic writing, which was surprisingly kind of pretty. I didn’t get that from The Scarlett Gospels, which was very disappointing.
To the point about the tone having been different in 'Scarlet Gospels' I'm not entirely sure I see your point. However, I also haven't read the entire Clive Barker catalog. I've read five of the novels and novellas. Perhaps a quick example...?
But continuing this opinion about the tone being off, thus written by another author, I've read elsewhere on the internets by what appeared to be unconnected sources, Clive Barker had submitted a much lengthier version, as Clive might like to hear it described a girthier version. In time though the publishing company removed some of the trunk to make it a more sapling-esque version motivated by what I read in only one place as an attempt to make it TEEN-friendlier. Take that info as you will. This as that are all just a digital illusion in a blind man's iPhone.
Pinhead was killed by a Care Bear. They simply hugged him with lots and lots of love.
That Care Bear stare has power!!
Mr. H, please keep up the good work! Nobody on here really has a channel that says anything about hellraiser but you! Thank you for seemingly keeping this franchise alive and relevant with updates and information about a reboot! The fans of hellraiser also keep it alive of course, but you help keep it on the forefront! THANK YOU
I think that Satan´s idea was to make Pinhead rest. Because he could not stand the idea of Pinhead becoming an unpredictable force which could result in the annihilation of humanity, depriving the Devil himself of control over Earth. Pinhead had had over 700 k. millennia to learn to respect and value human life. But his ceaseless appetite for power, and thus his narcissism, became his downfall. His failure to respect Lucifer´s respect, became his downfall, because his arrogance had made him into his worst enemy. Pinhead did for Hell what Albert Bourla and Steve Peters did for medicine. So to Satan, the man who is created to teach others how to live in peace from pain and suffering, is destined to rest in peace as a result of his downward spiral. In short, Pinhead died, because he spammed admin. Thanks for your video man. Excellent breakdown and analysis. Kind regards from Iceland.
This is truly bizarre timing...I finished reading The Scarlet Gospels just this morning. Overall I found it disappointing. The opening is excellent, takes a bit of a slump, and livens up when The Harrowers reach Hell...but the writing suddenly takes a downturn as if I was reading Barker's first, unpolished draft. The whole thing felt underdeveloped and rushed.
Edit: I love your Hellraiser content...keep it coming!
I finished the scarlet gospels ages ago so my recollection may be off. I don't recall Lucifer destroying New York? I remember he escaped hell, came to earth and a woman picks him up on the side of the road and kinda falls in love with him? my favorite part of the book was when Lucifer was revealed. I thought he would be some goat horned thing but was actually depicted as being angelic. someone below in the comments said the only good parts of the book were the pinhead scenes, but for me he just came across as a cheesy Saturday morning cartoon villain.
@@dimwitsixtytwelve Agreed about Pinhead...I don't know if I should be talking spoilers in the comments, but it was stupidly uncharacteristic for him to just blind his enemy and leave...a lot throughtout the book didn't add up. In the opening chapter we see Pinhead force a woman to carry a hellspawn to term and then...it's gone, never to be mentioned again. It isn't a good book, imo.
And as mr H mentions above, you're not misremembering: lucifer arrives at new york and the novel ends.
@@ordoabchao6747 I loved The Scarlet Gospels. Thought it was well written throughout.
Chubby Boy it was the conclusion to his universe. He is done with Hellraiser bc he is either tired of writing the same old universe or he is just done in general
@@Drp_br_ I heard he was super over the whole hell raiser thing, I can believe it too. first interview I read about the book (which took AGES to finish) was that pinhead WILL die. kind of a weird way to promote a book by giving away a large part of the ending :/
I mean, the place described in the Scarlet Gospels has a Christian-like version of hell with a recognizable name for the devil, but it's worth mentioning that what is described here isn't strictly speaking a biblical hell. In Christian tradition, Lucifer is the lord of the Earth ('the prince of the powers of the air'), not hell. He's not in some far away place punishing the damned, but 'roaming the Earth like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour'. That might have been a more interesting way to go from a narrative perspective.
Forget all these horrible Hellraiser sequels/reboots. The Scarlet Gospels is the Hellraiser movie the fans want and the world needs. Fantasy horror at its best!!! Until we have *this* adaptation of Clive Barker's works, I don't give a fuck about any "Hellraiser" anything. THIS is what *we* want!!!
i think Clive detested 'PIN HEAD' due to the lack of control he ended up having?
Yup! That's all it is. A kid throwing a tantrum cause the spoiled little prick isn't getting what he wants.
Pinhead died in Hellbound: Hellraiser 2 fighting the doctor.
all these years of cool lore built up and clive barker comes in "no it's just hell, like catholic hell"
True. They are supposed to be explorers in the far reaches. Hell is only vaguely implied and not much of a focus. They come off as a whole different existence. But you're right, it just turned out to be lame ol' hell. Don't understand Clive Barkers big issue considering he was the force behind the first two films.. Kind of left all that behind despite that being him.. Should have just carried on from the second film in a meaningful way. Shame.
@@reignofrock I thought it was going to be like the idea of hell or hades or any other afterlife punishment was influenced by the labyrinth and almost make it seem like the films could be happening in our reality
That's what happens when your works are wrenched from you (removed from directing duties on Hellraiser II). You end up destroying it any way you can.
This is my main gripe with a lot of the Urban Fantasy genre, be it horror or not, the otherworldly realms of light and darkness almost inevitably seem to get reshaped into to much of an analogue to contemporary christian visions of heaven and hell
reignofrock toxic fandom right here?
He's only grumpy because noone wants to give him a head massage
That would be one hellraiser movie I would pay money to see.
I've always felt Clive created Hellraiser after reading Milton's Paradise lost. And The Hellpriest is supposed to be the daemon speaking to Lucifer and heard him say "And in my choyce To reign is worth Ambition though in Hell, Tis better to reign in Hell than serve in heave'n. The Cenobite's being "th' associates and copartners of our loss." Literally the Religious order that tried to overthrow God.
Very interesting, now I want to read all the books. I hope the remake of Hellraiser is a good one. Great video man, I love it!!!
I wish more IPs did what Lucus did before Disney, let talented writers and too the story. Give it some structure then let it roll. Some will bomb but others will open to incredible
what?
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 sorry for poor comment a year ago. Basically I liked how Lucas let the EU continue the story past the movies. Some of the books are really good.
@@troglodytezero1697 Lucas sold to Disney before "The Force Awakens"... he has had anything to do with the story for years
I wanna see more cenobite lore like how about doing one on the Cenobites called Adkins and Flagellum please
@Sandman Slim and i care why
Scott Adkins as a cenobite? Terrifying.
At least he won't have many lines to butcher.
He did one on Adkins several months ago.
@@WMsandKFCisBackMOFOs really I've yet to see it I'll be sure to look for it though thank you so much
Wolf pack
Pinhead is iconic. I wish Doug Bradley remained a part of the series till the 2018 film
Just Mister P I only watched when Doug B. Was pinhead
Every page in the Scarlet Gospels was trash except for the Pinhead passages.
I waited 10+ years for the Scarlet Gospels. I was in high school when I first heard about this in the late 90s.
The writing was so unpolished and...uncreative (?) by Barker except when he was writing Pinhead.
Every other word of dialogue was a profanity from what I recall.
It was very disappointing. With a few more drafts it could have been great.
I don't think more drafts would've saved it, because the story itself isn't good. The decision to turn it into the standard Catholic hell robs the Hellraiser universe of what made it unique and original to begin with. I was shocked that Barker's imagination became so impoverished. Did he become a lot more religious when writing this or something? It felt like he wanted to nuke his own creation from orbit.
@@theoldone51 I don't know. You could be right, but I do feel there was potential with the way hell was described and laid out. With more mythology added in, perhaps more Dante Inferno aspects with different levels of hell with one being Leviathan's Labyrinth something better than what we got was possible.
I really liked this book and really enjoyed the ending ...i just kinda looked at it as an alternative reality and a different pinhead when it came to the changes of hell and all that
It's wild how so many authors become VICTOR FRANKENSTEIN when their creations gain popularity (they hate them).
Because when your property becomes popular it usually becomes bastardized by people who have no idea what consistency in lore is about
Because Barker was bored of the damn book - which betrays signs of having being picked up and put down any number of times - and wanted rid of it.
Honestly, it’s in keeping with the evolution of Barker’s writings. Look at Coldheart Canyon. The Devil’s Country is an S&M Wonderland, but in an explicitly Satanic sense, not the totally alien sensory explorations of the Cenobites of The Hellbound Heart. Coldheart Canyon, incidentally, includes references to God and the Devil, and appearances by Lilith and an angel.
What confuses me is Barker’s antipathy towards elements like Leviathan and the Labyrinth, which he himself introduced in Hellraiser 2. So I don’t get it, except as an indication of Barker becoming more interested in traditional religious ideas of good and evil.
@@orionsshoe2424 In fact he did the first and I believe the second, then he distanced himself more and more as the movies went to shit. The comics though do better justice for the franchise.
One of my favorite lines is when the devil demands to know why he is naked
From what I remember after Lucifer stopped the Hell Priest, he literally brought the roof of Hell down on top of it, destroying Hell. Not New York. He leaves Hell to take a human form and moves to Nee York.
Didn't he also die in hellraiser 2- hellbound, Dr Chernard?
Thanks so much, I love your videos
Yep, Pinhead and his entire gash were killed by Dr. Chernard. Pinhead was then resurrected by Leviathan in Hellraiser 3.
Clive Barker doesn't see them as canon, but no, Pinhead doesn't die, his soul gets split into the good and evil, good being Elliot, Evil being Pinhead
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 Well sure, but I think I'll count that as a death lol..... and then how about a resurrection in part 3 🤘💀
I was looking forward to reading this when I heard it was being released, then when I did read it I was actually disappointed with it. Parts of it were really good, like the character of D'Amour and his friends. But I hate the way The Hell Priest was written. It was totally NOT how he was set in The Hellbound Heart and indeed, how the first two movies portrayed him, which at least stuck to characters role within the story. However I felt Clive Barker focused TOO much on his personal dislike of where the franchise was taken, thanks to the studios pissing around with it just to retain the rights. Ultimately I felt like the way Hell Priest was written in The Scarlet Gospels was no better or indeed, any different to the way he had been portrayed in most of the hashed movies, which is quite ironic seeing how much Clive Barker has become to resent them because of that.
I also felt that by the end of the book, he lost interest with even finishing the story properly and just half arsed it
if you do like the character D'Amour he is in several of Barker's books. I will assume (perhaps wrongly) that you haven't read any of barkers other books since you didn't state one way or another. The short story "the last illusion" of which the lord of illusions movie is based has Harry in it. the books the great and secret show and everville both have him in it also. probably 1 or 2 others i cant think of off the top of my head. the great and secret show and everville are both great books tho my favorite of his does not have harry in it, Imajica, which i highly recommend reading also.
@@multieyedmyr Yeah, I know he was the main character in Last Illusion, and the subsequent film adaptation. I've read Hellbound Heart, Mister B. Gone and started Weaveworld, although I must admit I found that one hard to stick with. Will have to look out for the others
The spears being removed is what brought lucifer back to life the armour was a punishment by god to stop lucifer dying which is why he impaled himself to leave himself dead and balance the armours power.
Barker’s works always rate an A+ when I begin reading because he is such a master storyteller. I finished Gospels with a B- grade. The overall tone was that of a creator who just want this to be over. The insertion of a Christian mythos was a mistake. The detailed description of Hell suffered and at times seemed more like a late night walking tour of the streets of San Francisco. And what happened to that “daughter” he sired at the beginning? Truly a disappointment.
THANKS !! WHERE the HELL is she ?? To the very last page I truly hoped something would have been made with her, like a vessel for Priest to come back as a feminine version, but no... Wasted twist opportunity. I was CERTAIN it was made on purpose, considering how specific it was to do this. In the end it seems to only have been an "abortion punishment shocker", nothing more.
If one frame-steps the explosion of the space station at the end of Hellraiser 4, one can clearly see one of the burning chunks is the Lament Configuration, and it's coming right at the craft. It got a ride back to earth that way. Evil never dies.
That's the same vibe I got from The Scarlet Gospels too. The book came off like Barker finally shedding himself of one of his most famous creations. The book, "It's Alive: Bringing Your Nightmares to Life" has an interview with Clive Barker. In it, Barker explains that he didn't intend on Pinhead becoming a sex symbol. According to him, "He's very sexualized but he talks about pain and pleasure in a detached way. You don't get the impression he's getting off every Wednesday."
However, Barker seems aware by how his work has been interpreted by others stating, "...yet you get told what is true by the people who read you, am I right? It's people's response to the work that tells you what the work is. It never occurred to me that these rather ominous figures would ever be attractive. For example: his (Pinhead) is not a face you could touch. By his very nature, it's gonna hurt. Not in a good way. Plus, his personality is not fun. For me to be sexy is to be fun. He is not fun. He is judgemental, he is cold, and I think that nature is opposite to sexy."
The interview has some interesting insights behind the creation of the first Hellraiser movie that I thought was pretty awesome, like the fucking music, but from I've read in a lot of other Clive Barker interviews when he talks about Pinhead he seems very detached from the character and the franchise as a whole.
Very interesting, Satan killing Pinhead. Evil vs. Evil, as the latest movie tells "evil seeks evil" and in consequence it takes evil to destroy evil.
Pinhead wanted to be pretty much a new satan and evil came back and destroyed him. This was really interesting. Damn the Hellraiser universe is amazing, mixing religion with its own religion.
"Behated"?
_The Scarlet Gospels_ cosmology, like you say, was just odd - the Cenobites begin as extradimensional weirdos, but then Barker's like, "F*** it, yeah, it's hell now."
I wonder if it was a troll of the series - like a witting (?) _Prince Lestat and the Realms of Atlantis_ .
I know how he was originally supposed to die. The story goes as follows.
Back in the early 2000s Clive Barker was phone interviewed on a radio show;Mancows morning madhouse in Chicago. Mancow asked if he was going to make any more hellraiser and pinhead.
CB: No! As a matter of fact as soon as I am done with this interview I am going to go into my office and write the death of pinhead.
Mancow: oh so there IS going to be more?
CB: NO! I'm going to take a post it note and write pinhead dies...the end!
I don't care but this was funny to me when I heard it.
I used to have lament configuration cube. It didn't move but it was cool nonetheless
Ugh......There would be absolutely no way that box would find its way into my house. 😄
@@kellydeal72 why Kelly? It's has SUCH sights to show you...😈😉
The Scarlet Gospels would be perfect for TV adaptation, with the private eye, blind seer and other colourful characters, thus has potential. 🤐😎
it would have to be profoundly censored as most of it just demons wanking/cumming or there is some form of rape/molestation that happens.
plus lucifers appearence would need to be censored since he is naked and depicted with a oversized penis/bush alongside the countless scenes of over-the-top gore and sex.
it would be cool but it WILL be censored or adapted into something that isnt outright gore/porn
Always a fan of your Hellraiser work. Wish the movie you were making was related. Still can't wait to see that when you get it off the ground.
Cinna bites? Yes please! Sounds delicious 🤤
Your Hellraiser content is always a pleasure and privilege to watch. Your collection of Hellraiser videos are phenomenal and if you’re a newbie reading this comment I highly recommend you look up Mr. H’s Hellraiser content get a drink (maybe a cheeky snack) then sit back and enjoy.
Does anyone else find it soothing to listen to that chocolate velvet voice whilst drifting off to sleep?
It sounds like the Hell Priest is the Messiah/Antichrist. He battles Lucifer in the Gospel armor of Revelations, and his lust for power precipitates Armageddon.
I think it's a testament to Lucifer's power that The Hell Priest was so easily vanquished
You are correct, it is. 😈
If you read the Scarlet gospels, it wasn't exactly easy.
Lucifer even acknowledged that.
And the hell priest technically survives he blinded harry after he was vanquished.
And his end isnt shown. Just him looking at the aftermath of Lucifers temper tantrum
Lucifer didn't easily beat the Hell Priest, he put quite a beating on Lucifer before he came back and disembowel's him.
i found your channel when you were exclusively doing things like this and you hadn’t even revealed your face. i would always wonder what you looked like bro! your voice was so professorial, i was legitimately surprised at how you looked when you finally came out. great stuff !!!!
If he did not like the way the movies portrayed his creation then he should have kept control of it instead of whining about how badly others have handled it.
@shogun harlem Makes sense when you view it from the angle he viewed the cenobites as useful for that story but not worth expanding on and exploring more of their universe yet others decided they were worth developing further..
Barker and Lucas need to get together and have a pity party. Both franchises would have been improved if they hadn’t given up their babies for adoption.
Isn't the soul immortal? How can he die if he was already dead
Okay, think about it for a little bit about how Cenobites are created. Cenobites are humans that were mutated/transformed into Cenobites. They never really died in the first place. They then could only be killed by a relic, hellish weapon, blessed weapon or someone very powerful. Lucifer, whom killed himself, still had his essence within his armor. His mortal shell was resurrected, his essence returned to his mortal shell. He awoke from Limbo. Then killed the Cenobites. The Cenobites died in Hell, so they are probably in that Limbo state, unable to resurrect themselves, only can be resurrected by Lucifer or someone poweful.
@@cainabel6356 the Scarlet Gospel version of Pinhead was never confirmed to have been a human. Also, Lucifer killed 2 angels in the book. Angels were never "mortals" to begin with.
@@cainabel6356 if u think about it cenobites are suppose to be demons a demon is a spirit that can be physical if choose to satan can’t die ether because he is a fallen angle a spirit but it’s a book and u can write a book how u like it to be but if based of real life demons can’t die but they can’t over power satan ether.
@@adrianquinonez6667 - Well I am talking about Cenobites, which are demons to themselves, but are able to be killed off, die.
If you are going by the Bible. Then God is the only one that could destroy them completely.
I see it as Clive barker originally playing with the word ecstasy's meaning. The point where pain and pleasure melt into one. everybody seeks the Cenobites to experience ecstasy thinking it is ultimate pleasure, while the Cenobites sees pain as the ultimate way to reach ecstasy. In that way they are not evil, just helping the people to reach ecstasy from their point of view. I think that Clive got tired with the franchise using his originally concept to become something else and killed him of.
They should make a movie pinhead vs the devil in he'll
Love your hellraiser videos.
Mr H you rock ! Love your opinion on movies! Keep up the great content .
The Scarlett Gospels is probably the worst thing Clive Barker has ever written almost deliberately so. The Dragon Ball Z fight between a Lucifer and the Hell Priest was painfully stupid. I know that's not the point of the video, but still...
More Hellraiser? Yes please!
Also, did any of Barker's other works interest you? I'd love to know more about Rawhead Rex.
Or his children's books?
The Thief of Always and Abarat.
Wow no one ever mention Raw head rex. I try to tell people about that movie but nobody seems to ever heard of it
@@smackers705 Yeah I know. I heard it flopped at the box office and Clive Barker disowned the movie because he lost creative control, hence no interest.
Maybe Shout Factory can reissue it.
@@smackers705 That and I recall it because I thought the title sounded cool.
I remember the Syfy Channel played it once or twice when I was much younger.
@@davidcatlett4052 i remembered that movie scared the crap out of me when I was younger.
Cabal is one of my favorite novels. The film Nightbreed is awesome too!
Just finished reading Hellbound Heart. I havent seen any of the movies- i have been looking up alot of videos about the series
What an end. I'd like to think that the scarlet gospels isn't the end of pinhead tho. I mean he technically knows every known conceivable form of magic so It wouldn't be far fetched to think he could resurrect himselft
Well, you're getting a sub for covering this book. I absolutely loved the book.
even back in the 80's I felt like "pinhead" was a ridiculously stupid name for an unbelievably awesome monster. I refused to call him that.
Ever since The Scarlet Gospels, I refer to him as the "Hell Priest."
I know this would be really weird, but given your penchant for dark topics, this one has real world mythology in it. You could explore that a bit more with your amazing voice like no other. I wonder about Gozer from ghost busters, and her minions, could they have been "real"?
Hey! You’re here! :D
Thanks for the content, H. 🍻
I read scarlet gospels because of this video. Fantastic book
The Scarlet Gospels was a fitting end to that chapter of Hell's story . Could there be more ? God only knows ..........and he ain't talking .
I've just finished the scarlet gospel and enjoyed the book on its own Merritt
I read the last book and it rather sad and horrifying.
In certain pictures pinhead the hell priest looks like he's been hitting the weights. All joking aside I wish they would just make one amazing movie. Hellraiser has been screwed with and done and redone that only 3 of the movies really in my opinion are good. 1,2,and 4. Mr.H you are without a doubt my favorite UA-camr and go to guy for anything concerning hellraiser and horror. God bless and good luck!!!! Sincerely your friend across the pond.
The thing I liked about this story/subject was the implication that he'll was a sort of "last retreat or place of refuge for equivalent exchange" and im missing a lot of the story and it could still be inclusive of that concept or aspect it would just be a bit 'anti-climactic' to something that from all I have seen and found (which really isnt that much respectively) of this story line was only ever "potentially implied".
Thank you for the post/subject in any case.
-b
When i read scarlet gospels i wondered about the differences between the films and book. One person described scarlet gospels as a sequel to the first film. Like you said leviathen is not mentioned etc. I liked scarlet gospels but i couldnt read much of the first book its not my cup of tea. Good vid
Your voice is butter. Why not just some quick videos where you do nothing but narrate (oone at a time) some of your favorite chapters from your favorite books?
In the end of scarlet gospels pin head digs himself out of the rubble and Lucifer walks amongst us.
@Maggie Lynn correct. Lucifer comes to earth and pinhead was left in hell. At the end of the book one of Harry's friends opens a puzzle box by mistake. But when the door to hell opens no one passes through. No hooks, chains, beasts, or cenobites
I think it sets a good example on how to bring an end to something that has sadly dried up due to the whole beating a dead horse metaphor. Loved hellraiser 1 and 2, but after 5 and 6 I was like come on man.
Hellraiser: Inferno was the only good movie after Hellraiser 3, and admittedly, that one was very questionable.
I'd enjoy hearing you cover the Spawn Animated series. I think you'd enjoy it.
Then Nicky returns to hell with the flask and saves New York. 👏
Mr.H did you have a chance to see the original Hellraiser in the theaters when it was first released?
aww yiss. more pinhead material, the roots of this channel!
I've got to ask because I don't see it being addressed below in the comments. Maybe I'm just missing something because I HAVE read the Hellbound Heart (a long while back), but I haven't read the Scarlet Gospels. Here is my question: Are we CERTAIN that this is the same story? The Cenobites in the book are....Kind of freeform. If anything, the main entity in "charge" seemed to be the mysterious Engineer. Now, I know Clive wrote that story and based the film Hellraiser off of it. But....Are we CERTAIN that the Scarlet Gospels is a sequel to the Hellbound Heart. Or could it be Clive's way of saying: "You don't want my novella. You want the movie version with...Pinhead. Alright. I'll write a book for that. And wipe him out. There you go. End of story." The Hellbound Heart and Scarlet Gospels just don't seem to be on the same page. I mean, it doesn't really matter. Just something I noticed. Hellbound Heart seemed to be more about chaos and order. And Scarlet Gospels, from what I've heard, seems the typical good vs. evil. Similar concepts, but very different. This would be a good question for someone to ask Clive in an interview. He's sick of the "I love Pinhead" comments, anyway. For the record, he's not a fan of the sequels to Hellraiser, but what has angered him the most is the fact that Doug Bradley got taken out as Pinhead. He's gets livid when you bring that up. When you talk about the movies, he's kind of "meh." But you bring up the actor switch, you'll get to see a man ENRAGED!
The forward to that book alone is incredible. I would really like a book on Orlofski and the others exploring that story.
Amazing book, really. Kinda bitter ending, but hey, hello? Its a horror series. I thought his demise and the circumstances were thoughtful and quite intriguing.
Ahhh so thats what happended between Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal... xD
It would not suprise me if it turns out that the Scarlett gospel is ghost written by mark miller..
It doesn't shameless rip off Garth Ennis, so probably not.
Pinhead has been a member of my family from the beginning (the 80’s) and the book is pretty good but my inner child can’t believe his favorite movie character is gone
Predator V Pinhead you just know somebody is thinking about it 😵
I've read The Scarlet Gospel. It's a great story. Thumbs up!
So he's basically the version of the pope of hell, and with the same aims, to erase the higher power and transition themselves as the "head" of the game.
Hope all is well H. Quick question to yourself? In terms of the Hellraiser films how far should I go before they drop in quality and not worth watching anymore. I have watched the first two and will watch the third tonight.
How to kill the Hell Priest aka Pinhead:
A pinch of Harry D'amour and a whole lotta SATAN!
Love your channel. Please keep making Hellraiser & Alien videos.
The only reason Clive doesn't like the Hellraiser Franchise is because H.R. Giger beat him to the punch and now hes trying to catch up by rebooting his idea.
Nothing wrong with the forst 2 Hellraiser films if you take it for what it worth. Still has more context han a Freddy, Jason or Halloween movie hands down.
You forgot mention that lucifer competely destroyed hell . I did not catch that he destroyed new york. However i do not care as i thought the book trash. U did a reading of a potential remake or screen play of the box maker and i loved it.
They should make this into a movie 🎥 I would definitely watch it.
I bought the book in hardback a while ago. I didn't get very far in. I was reading it for a while, put it down one day and just never picked it up again.
I have noticed that most older people (in general) tend to become more conservative and latch onto standard religious tropes more and more. It seems that Clive Barker is exhibiting those traits. His younger self was much more open-minded and eager to explore internal realms and alternative philosophies along with alternative lifestyles.
But, when you spend years with fading health and fading vitality, along with accumulated heartbreaks and disappointments, and "mortality" knocking louder at your door, you tend to become averse to things representing "wildness" of youth, favoring ideas that give stable emotional comfort.
Unless you are up to the challenge of FULLY exploring the "inner world" and strive to become a "Master-Shaman" (of some form), your fascination for these things will just run its course in old age.
Clive has definitely lost his edge with maturity (but it IS reversible sometimes).
Someone who is seriously willing to continue the course Clive has initiated must NOW pick up the torch, or it will die just like Pinhead.
Clive has really wanted to "kill the whole thing" for a long time now. "The Scarlet Gospels" was his attempt to accomplish that when mere ongoing "neglect" failed to do the job.
Apparently, it DIDN'T kill it as intended ... and here we are.
I just hope that the new torch-bearers will do it justice.