Blood Gulch: Where Boys Became Men
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Where boys became men, rivalries were established and life long friendships were formed and it's arguably Halo's most famous map. Blood Gulch is a great example of simple, fun, map design and I think there's a lot that modern game developers could learn from it.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
3:10 Halo's Modern Map Design
6:33 Why So Sweaty?
10:12 Make Something Fun First
13:15 10,000 Subs Special and Thank You!
Music Credit
-Brothers in Arms Synthwave Remix by
MS Synthwave
#haloinfinite #haloce #halomcc - Ігри
Thank you all again for the support and for helping this channel to reach 10,000 subscribers! If you wanted the chance to appear in the 10K special, feel free to ask a question in the comments below or you can follow me on Twitter to find the pinned tweet!
When's the Marty collab?!
Love ur videos man keep up the awesomeness, my question: would you rather have a game mode centered on being an odst stuck in a flood infested city, a horror styled survival game or have an odst game focused on fighting insurrectionists? Little Covenant and banished action mainly city based human military action? I'm curious to know how you'd feel about both and what idea you'd like more
I'll have a few questions, so feel free to pick as few or as many as you like:
- If you were to take one element from _every_ fps halo game (with no repeats), what would you include?
- What inspired your retro themed editing style, with the tape recorder SFX at the intro, the tv static and the waveform outro?
- What is your favourite sandbox item to have ever been introduced into halo, whether that is weapons, grenades, vehicles, movement abilities, equipment, etc.?
- what is Obama's last name?
You inspired me to remake blood gulch, thanks!
Thanks for making the vid.
(It's really really nice to see people talking about my art still)
For all h2a multiplayers faults, it's version of blood gulch is near perfect. It's wide and open with sightlines across the map and tons of room for vehicles, but still just enough cover to cross the map if your careful enough.
Glad I'm not the only one who appreciates Bloodline from H2A!
Wholeheartedly agree, all the added cover and stuff like the little bridges and bunker in the middle make on foot traversal and engagements way more fun, and the map is still wide open enough to support all the largest vehicles. Bloodline is way up there for me among my favourite BTB maps, it's fantastic.
Oh yeah, I LOVE Bloodline.
I think Bloodline has just enough cover to help keep you from getting sniped over and over. I also appreciate the extra alternative pathways
The problem with Infinite's BTB maps, (I quit playing a year ago for context), is they have too much crap in them for bigger vehicles to have any breathing room.
The vehicle EMP helps prevent base r*ping too
Couldn't agree more man, Halo Infinite is still missing it's "Blood Gulch" map, hopefully one of the new maps in 2023 feels like it in spirit. Forge has proved that those open styled maps work well in Infinite too, just need 343 to make one themselves!
Absolutely! Having recently played remakes of Blood Gulch from forgers, it works brilliantly with Infinite's sandbox and mechanics. Really, I just want some more variety with the maps compared to what we currently have.
(Not my fault, I applied twice to number company during Covid, would have loved to redo BG... but I got auto reject emails, oops)
Best thing about these big open maps is that you can almost always see what kind of other shenanigans are going on in the match even if you're not directly engaging enemies in that moment
Halo is a party game with shooter mechanics. It's a sandbox of chaos and fun. A story of bravery and hope. In short, it was a game about the best parts of the world. Blood Gulch embodies that perfectly. It was a map of freedom, where you could do whatever you wanted however you wanted, and even tell whatever stories you wanted with your friends who were just as ridiculous as you were. You're absolutely right; we need more maps like that.
Perfectly worded!
Blood gulch allowed for every playstyle to exist together in harmony with halo's mechanics perfectly balanced, we all enjoyed hours of fun together, it was a good time to live through, an 28 years old guy views here
"Winning is driving in circles with a Warthog around the spawn base on Blood Gulch." - Sun Tzu: Art of War
Blood Gulch will always be that classic large map that Halo's sandbox was made for
For the 10k special. Why is Halo so important to you?
6:35 this is what happens when you mainly receive input from pro players and less from casuals.
Another banger of a video, it's nice we can use Forge to remake some of these classics, Halo Infinite really needs it's own Blood Gulch or Valhalla. Kinda hoping the BTB map in season 3 will deliver, but we'll have to wait and see.
I think the closest we've gotten to seeing Infinite's take on a Blood Gulch or Valhalla type map, is Fragmentation. But even then, the map feels a little too big and divided for it's own good (among other issues). And thank you!
Turf/Icebox is my favorite. Perfect 4v4 map and as a kid during Halo 2 the moveable doors left me impressed.
Looking forward to the 10k special! My question would be, what other games would you like to cover in future other than Halo?
You just got a new subscriber. When I saw Blood Gulch in the thumbnail I knew I was in for a treat. I've been telling people for the longest time that game maps feel like they were built for e-sports players rather than the fun casual players nowadays. And just like you I have an obsession love for the Halo franchise.
I didn't even play Halo CE until around 2013. My high school gave us Chromebooks for doing schoolwork with and of course some guys started handing out games on USBs. The Gearbox port of CE was one of those games we played a lot of. We'd have LAN parties in Blood Gulch during class sometimes and it's still probably the most fun I've had with Halo to date.
Masterful video about map design. Definitely your best video so far if you ask me. I'd love to see more game design videos from you Laper, great job.
As someone who has forged a lot of maps I can safely say that the “don’t try so hard” mentality is very important. If you try to place everything perfectly you’ll never complete the map and often times people won’t even have fun. Balance is sometimes “imbalance” as it encourages creative gameplay.
Reminds me of chaos theory
Wow, thanks for the nice video
(That's one of the maps made, and it feels really good to see people still enjoying it)
The greatest halo map ever...of all time
Dude your videos are SO well done
Thank you!
holy shit talking about ce on school computers unlocked a core memory of when i was in math class and had all my stuff done so me and my friend played ce 1v1s and would hop in open lobbies, it was such a blast
I have so many "Favorite" maps
Back in the day it was Lockout, looking back I miss Sandtrap so much more than I thought I would.
The Gulch of course and Valhalla.
Something about the skybox and ambient sounds of Standoff stick out in my memory, it's really nostalgic and really takes me back whenever I load in there on MCC.
Keep up the work, it's a really entertaining video
How do you only have 10,000 subs? Wack. UA-cam needs to get on that. Great content bro
How it started: Let's create games that are fun and engaging.
How it's going: Let's pander to NPCs and rake in the most amount of money possible.
Infinite is clearly attempting to pander towards classic Halo players when compared to Halo 5, no idea where you're getting that from.
Halo was never meant to be a competitive game, and 343 trying to force it as an e-sport has been a disaster for the multiplayer scene.
Ahhh, the memories.
I disagree on the spawn timer thing. Surely, spending time to memorize the spawn location and time of a power weapon makes the skill ceiling higher, but it makes the game more sweaty. With 343’s approach of marking down the location with a timer, as well as an AI notification, players can spend more time to focus on playing the game instead of counting the time in their head. This also makes new players’ experience a lot more enjoyable and not get completely destroyed by existing players who know where to pick up the power weapons.
Came back to this video because I was having a discussion with a few friends. The discussion was what Halo is known for, and they argued that it's known for its slayer game modes. I argued that it's more known for its social/party/custom game modes. In Infinite, these game modes are Big team gamemodes, Fiesta, etc. And party game modes that date back to the OG trilogy like fat kid, cops and robbers, duck hunt etc.
One argued still for slayer, and the other was swat.
Just wanted see others experiences on what they think Halo is known for.
So glad you’re here to broadcast proper Halo facts.
Big Team in Infinite is absolutely missing this magic, precisely for the reasons you outlined: vehicles and infantry do not interact.
Fragmentation is a perfect example - infantry squirrels away on the sidepaths until they inevitably get the op af dynamos and then dust anyone unfortunate enough to get in a Warthog.
This also contributes to vehicles feeling nearly pointless and weak in Infinite. Sometimes you just need people to be exposed and bowled over by a Hog with no chance at survival, and Infinite doesn’t really provide that.
I’ve been purposefully avoiding that in my current BTB forge project. It’s symmetrical (because I have a chronic map-making condition), but it *should* force infantry and vehicles into the same space, without giving infantry the full suite of murder tools.
Would love to playtest it once it’s done, whenever the heck that’ll be between my life changes and work 😂
20+year veteran of "The Gulch" and very happy for every second spent there.
We thank you for your service.
@@LaperLarden It was a pleasure teaching other's the value of terrain features from across the map XD
Absolutely great video as always man! You really are underrated with the quality of work that you produce. As for my question(s)
1: What is your thought process and structure when coming up with a halo video to produce?
2: Do you plan on keeping this a mainly halo channel?
I know it's 2 questions so feel free to just answer the first one if I'm limited to only one XD
Great video my friend! I have so many memories of the Gulch. Congrats on 10k, here's to many more! My question is how do you stay upbeat in a world so cold?
I love this. Q&A: Laper, why are big Halo UA-camrs Aussie's? Hidden, Mint Blitz, You... Whats up? Something I don't know about?
Well, HiddenX is British, as far as I'm aware. But Aussies are basically just British Texans. We went too far down one branch of the skill tree and like wearing big hats.
When you said boys became men...
And I saw the T-posing CE marine...
I felt it. Thank you 🤘
Edit: Do you think Music and Humour are connected? If yes, how?
I loved playing Bloodgulch in highschool. I would play on lan servers all the time with it.
You deserve 10K & more my friend! Good job 👌 My question is: have you ever been to Radelaide?
Bloodgulch was also the one and only multiplayer map you got for free if you downloaded the Halo Trial for PC!
Thankful for custom games and Forge. The few times I'm having fun in this game now.
Another perfect video essay
Absolutely agree with everything you said.
Good job my Aussie friend
Great video man! Simplicity and creativity are what I love in maps. Formulaic balanced maps are so dry and predictable that the games on them become indistinguishable from each other. Even an objectively bad map can be so much more fun if devs arent afraid to experiment with new or strange ideas. Its something i realized in playing TF2 a lot. My favorite maps aren't necessarily good maps, but ones where the gameplay experience has a lot of variation and potential for shocking or bizarre moments
Couldn't agree more!
It's a good example why matchmaking rn feels obsolete in infinite when I just get a way better experience with the forge maps
Bloodculch is my favorite map in gaming
Congratulations on 10 thousand subscribers!!!!!! I'm new to your channel but I really like your videos, keep up the great content 👍
Thank you so much!!
@@LaperLarden Your welcome
Ok...I guess I'll ask. What's the origin behind your outro? Also congrats on 10k subs.
But who remembers blood gulch’s halo wars remake?
Had plenty of 1v1's on that map. Which normally ended with my base getting rekt by someone rushing me as Arbiter.
@@LaperLarden that's usually how it went XD
I'll never forget Xbox 360 just got it in 2007 late spring Playing Xbox live Halo 2 The memories were 👌 👏 👍 😎
Big chaotic fights are the best, sad i can't find a single blood gulch match in mcc anytime
Its ironic that the blood gulch remake in Infinite's forge is still the most fun I've ever had in Infinite. I wish 343 would take notes...
Thing is reach maps also have some charm to them while not as good (acceptions include spire and forge world) as valhalla, they have the casual fun element that makes it fun for everyone
Bungie old way of thinking for making halo was "less is more" and it clearly shows how memorable the maps are when they're not constructed down to a formula and I had created forge maps to a formulaic aspect and it gets repetitive making the formulaic maps and it just feels all the same to me and when I forged with a friend who doesn't have a formula to forge we just place whatever on the map and make it work and when we play those maps it feels more fun than the formula maps I create and he's just simply a better forger to making fun maps than I am
Excellent video and congratulations on 10k. An amazing milestone, and one that I genuinely hope is soon overshadowed by 20k.
Q&A: if you could commission or magic into existence a Halo spinoff game, what would it be? A Halo Wars 3, an ODST 2, a Spartan Assault 3, or something unique?
I personally would have a survival-horror cooperative experience set deep within the bowels of a Flood Containment Facility deep within a Halo ring. You and up to three other friends would have to make your way to the surface from the bottommost level, contending against the horror that is the Flood. To make it stand out, I would also make it so that it has that patented 'custom games' customization, allowing for anything from a hardcore, limited health and ammo and visibility experience to a fun, laid back rampage to the surface with you in a Scorpion and your friends wielding Scarab Guns.
That, or a VR port/remaster for the MCC. Halo CE:A:A in VR, whoof, that'd be amazing. 343 Guilty Spark in VR, with 2023 graphics.
How did you find and become attached to halo? #10Kspecial
Halo’s multiplayer has always been a party game shooter first, competitive second.
I will say that even Lockout, Warlock, and Ivory Tower were competitive maps that were very popular during the MLG days, and those maps are still fun. Unsymmetrical maps had a place in competitive Halo then, why not now?
Warlock is symetrical. Ivory Tower was removed as a competitive map since it was bad.
very well said I'm subbing
Fuck your videos are amazing dude! I don't know how you don't have a million subscribers!
More like Gaper Larden. Go on, beat that. You won't, you're way scated.
He got me 💀
great video.
Also please consider doing a video about physics interactions in halo!
In infinite it seems to be the thing that's had the biggest hit. The gravity hammer sucks, vehicles feel magnitised to the floor, team mate on team mate collision sucks, there aren't any big physics props on maps that can act as cover and a weapon too, explosions seem to just damaged stuff not push it and so on.
I always felt the weapon and vehicle sandbox was at its best when it was interacting with physics in some way, like a big team battle on reach around a point that has big crates.
You'd use the big crates for cover and they would constantly be moving around as explosions from grenades bounce it around, cars smack against them and then, someone on the other team finds a gravity hammer and uses what was your cover to pancake you into the wall behind you with that same box.
Also driving a warthog charge at the enemy team was made more awesome as grenades and fuelrod cannon shots would be hitting near or at your vehicle bouncing it around causing you to barely keep control or flip around. Now it seems when that happens you just lose your tires and keep heading straight on.
It seems all of these physics interactions were stripped back to make room for competitive reliability, which fucking sucks.
I always thought physics shouldve been the focus for future halo titles and espsecially for competitive as I found competitive more intense and amazing to watch as players dynamically react to unpredictable situations, as I think that takes more skill. Not just learning the map to a extreme level and playing the same exact way to perfection in a predictable situation.
I remember trying to learn how to back up the banshee to that rock sticking out on the side of the cliff to get some sniper kills, good times
I actually like launch site it’s it’s own thing it might not be the best map but I appreciate it for what it is.
YES!
The Pit… and Sword Base
I'm a noob. I love Valhalla. But blood gulch is so classic like you're in high school at your friends house with a crt and xbox you lugged over to hook up halo
Great video.
Does anyone else hate kill hit markers (when you kill someone and a x appeared indicating their death) and sniper glint? Kill hit markers should have a toggle and sniper glints ruin snipers.
Hemorrhage memories on 360 get me through the day
Favorite Halo mod project you’ve played and why?
I’m that guy who loves Valhalla didn’t realize it wasn’t cool
As much as I fault Halo 4 Outcast and Exile were some pretty fun Big team maps.
I've got a soft spot for some of H4's BTB maps. Especially Exile.
You’re forced to play one halo map for a year, which would you pick between these two: Avalanche or Timberland ?
And congrats on 10K 🥳 Well deserved man!
God damn man, Bungie Halo RULES!
Which Halo Books have you read, and which do you like?
First. As always from Number 1 fan.
You're the best! Thank you!
Don’t know if this has ever been asked, which of the bungie halos would you say is the worst and what halo from 343 is the best? Oh and to add the 343 games when they came out no updates
* Trocadero music cues* " Roses are red , Violets are blue..."
One day we'll cruise down Blood Gulch avenue...
@@LaperLarden 😁❤️
You want to know a balanced, fun, asymmetrical map that is beloved by many fans in a similar way that is the mode it kickstarted? Bloody invasion and Spire!
Fiiiiine, I'll ask it. How did you get your ridiculous sounding name?
First hint. Sweden.
My question would be (and you have to read it like I would) what are you most thankful for after becoming a content creator?
14:32 to easy. Can you do a review for each halo game. What you liked and didn’t and feedback for each as well as how to play it.
We have so many lackluster UNSC facility maps because Infinite is "A SPARTAN STORY" 🙃🙄
when infinite came out I played the campaign first as is my tradition and was less than impressed despite incredibly low expectations and multi didn't work so I shelved it and went back to the MCC
But
You hit the nail on the head with the maps in infinite I was playing infinite btb the other night for the first time and everything was hollow and clostraphobic at the same time Vehicles were useless
Even as cover or obstacles to block paths and as a wheel man that hurts more than the splazer
I agree with your thoughts about modern Halo multiplayer maps. Halo 5 suffered from the sameness problem in its multiplayer maps, and playing multiplayer became very tedious for me after a few months. Thankfully Halo: Infinite doesn't have those kind of repeated maps such as Truth and Regret, but the similar layout and bland weapon placement definitely hinders its great gameplay. I would really like Forgers to have the option to place weapons and vehicles on the map. In addition to what you said about mixing weapon placement up, weapons and vehicles strewn across maps can provide visual storytelling for the maps they are in. Regarding a question for your ten thousand subscriber special, I'd like to know the meaning behind your UA-cam channel name. If that has already been asked, then another question I have is if you have a favorite genre of music or several genres that you love.
I really love your point about visual storytelling with the use of weapons and vehicles on maps. That was always one of my favourite things to do on the maps I made in Forge, especially Infection. Having a sniper rifle leaning against a lawn chair up in a tower, or a shotgun hidden behind a bar, a warthog that crashed through a building with debris around it.
I'll make sure to answer both of those questions in the Q&A! Thanks Reclaimer!
What is your biggest Halo B R U H moment?
Halo 2 online
Threw a sticky, was about to attach to the enemy
An explosion happens and a dead body comes flying out of no where to intercept my sticky and I die
Damn for real, we need more better maps in Infinte imo as said. Forged really doing it.
But I wondered quite a long period ago, why weapon racks? Can we get back to just a BR casually chilling in a chair?
Like the racks so trivia to the maps and made thing so fomularic and random as time no sense of goal, empty at times. Hopefully they make that option in forge in the future.
I totally agree with you, my biggest issue with Infinite MP is the lack of fun, non competitive maps, "unbalanced" maps that offered situations and multiple point of interest other than the center corridor, well even back in the days "competitive" maps were fun as hell.
We got forge now to create or remake bangers from the past, but all of that is locked behind custom games and will depends what the game's host will want to play and not sure if i create a lobby people will hop in.
And how can we have a BTB with much more players but all the BTB maps feels so claustrophobic and so not vehicle combat friendly? I mean 343pls give us Sandtrap or Bloodgulch type maps.
It's sad to feel so restrained while having a really good and fun array of weapons and tools to play with.
My favorite maps were coag, turf, and lockout in h2. The Pitt in h3, and maps I don't remember the name of in h5 which seems stupid to list but h5 had 3 maps I really enjoyed and now I don't remember their names. H4 I didn't play much, and infinite my favorite is actually the the Pitt remake.
I just wish they would make the same, more, and then bigger...
That's it.
It worked then,
It has proven to work still now on forge...
Make it bigger!
More players, more vehicles, more bases, maybe more teams. How about a 4 way version of blood gulch?! (My next forge project... Once I figure out how to use this bloody over complicated new forge lol)
I'd love to see that! Call it "Bloodiest Gulch" 😂
@@LaperLarden you got it!
I love you and I love this channel!
I’d argue it’s one of halos most iconic maps ever made especially because it was the red vs blue map but I would never say it’s the best.
I think arguments could be made that forge world is the single best map ever made but because it’s a forge canvas i wouldn’t count it.
Personally I’d say halo 3 has the best maps overall, some of halo CE and 2s best map’s where remade or given spiritual remakes and the new additions where instant classics.
Play ctf on any infinite Btb maps and then slayer and it will feel the same, then play ctf on sand trap and then play slayer… or multi team because that use to be a thing and the map plays completely different just because of how the elephants play such a big part of ctf.
And just like this video said Valhalla is basically better blood gulch, and nobody can tell me it’s not!
Laper larden do you think the Mantis should be brought back
Alright I'm gonna ask, how did you get the name Laper Larden?
All shall soon be revealed...
i remember installing halo ce via usb on every pc in my technology class and play blood gulch with all of my classmates during class lol. The title is funny to me since I’m a boy that became a woman :)
Whats your fav weapon in Halo My dude?
I forgot the AI tells you things in Infinite. I turned it off like 5 matches in.
I miss the dumb fun you could have in Halo nowadays is all competitive. Thank goodness the community is there to provide it
Lockout all day
I do really enjoy the gameplay of Halo Infinite but the maps doo feel operating theater levels of sterile. They need to add more 'fun' (a truly alien thing to most Infinite sweatlords I know) maps to the social playlists and leave them out of ranked.
Red vs Blue
Desert bus is the best map