@@weebishusername9288 Red Army rarely used human wave tactic unlike Japanese Imperial Army since Soviet factory produce more guns and tanks than population.
My great-grandfather was an austro-hungarian (hungarian) soldier during WW1, and fought in Italy. He was wounded on one of his leg, and held as a captive by the italians on Sicily. The locals treated them so well there that my great-grandfather never forgot the italian hospitality, and had good memories about the country.
@@jerry5550 Don't know, but he ate tons of oranges at that time. When socialist Hungary started to import large amount of orange in the '70s, everyone was excited but great-grandpa. He said he can't stand even the smell of it, because of the large quantity eaten by him during the time at the prison camp. The locals hadn't have much food to share, so the food for prisoners was mostly orange.
@@ghhusa This situation was in my primary school, my mother had me eat boiled eggs for protein every morning, this went on for a year then I don't eat hard boiled eggs for a long time again
Fun fact, the Austrian officiers actually stated that if Cadorna, the Italian general, had dared another charge on the Isonzo, they may have not been able to keep the frontline. All jokes aside, I wonder what may have Italy done to deserve such awful generals.
@@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025 Cadorna's strategy was basically what the Soviets and Chinese would later do at Stalingrad and in Korea, with the only exception that Italy didn't have all that manpower to waste, so I wish that lunatic was removed from his place earlier
@@theluiginoidperson1097 well, during the centuries after the fall of the Roman Empire the Italians still had good commanders, such as in the middle ages or the '700's I think the problem was that the Piedimontese army was nepotistic as hell when it came to generals or high ranking officiers in general
The problem with our generals (I speak as an Italian) is that many of them were educated with the 1800s techniques of open field warfare, while the other powers were already experiencing positional warfare, the Italian generals did not want to update their techniques. And those who actually progressed in positional warfare techniques (General Diaz is the example) were either made fun of or disheartened by the high command, only to be called in case of difficulty when the other cadorna-like generals were too busy, to shit in their pants. And this situation repeated itself during the Second World War So we had also some good generals.......kinda...also sorry for my disgusting way of writing
My teacher grandma brother was hungary And He fight in isonzo River And He dead And grandpa was fight in krasnik and He lost his horse But He survied the ww1 and ww2
@@darknus522 But by Vittorio-Venetto Cadorna was no longer in Charge and the Macedonian front was about to collapse. Also the Austro-Hungarians lost a lot of manpower in the battles for the Piave wich let them weakened
My Great Grandpa in Hungary were arrived back with very postivie tales about the Italian mentality and cuisine back then. Their unit was a mounted rifle light horsemen (hussars) but transformed their units to assault troopers. (rohamista). Even known pizza already and shared thoughts about how people there were similar to our farmers with big families. He was a kind of travel book with knowledge about Italian coutry and settlements. They always had a memory event with his old brothers in arms in the wine cellar at the garden and told the stories. One of his fellow mates always mentioned the moment when they got an artillery bombardment at a valley but grandpa saved his life. However grandpa always made a correction, the horse was the bravest because it could be run away from the shelling if it is not for the faint of horseheart.
To be (very lightly) fair to most WW1 Generals, everyone was learning at the same time what worked and didn’t at the same time, so they were constantly adapting and countering each other, which is part of what led to the stalemate. Cadorna absolutely deserves every ounce of scorn though
"Please bro, just go over the top bro, it'll work this time bro, trust me bro, you have to bro, you'll be shot for cowardice if you don't bro, please bro"
"I've got an amazing plan this time." "Is it charge the river?" "How could you possibly know that, it's classified information?" "Because we did it last time, and the other 10 times before."
It wasn't an Austrian counterattack, The 12th battle was mainly a german effort and italians were on the defensive. Also germany later used the same strategy on the western front and it worked well against France too lol
@@giovannimuciacia2428 Except it wasn't. The Caporetto Offensive was mainly fought by the Austro-Hungarians having thirteen divisions present while the Germans only had six.
@@spassocane3821 Right, that one Italian offensive that defeated an Austria-Hungary that was at near collapse with a war exhausted population close to famine and multiple nations wanting to stop fighting and secede. *ImPReSsiVe* indeed
"so, we charge them to-" "how many times?" "uhhh... as much as you need to" [later] "so did you win?" "we went over *12 times* , but didn't win" *"great job have a great day"*
Armando Diaz: Good man. Now, Field Marshal Luigi has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field. Blackadder: Now, would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking slowly towards the enemy sir? Darling: How can you possibly know that Blackadder? It’s classified information. Blackadder: It’s the same plan that we used last time, and the twelve times before that. Armando Diaz: E-E-Exactly! And that is what so brilliant about it! We will catch the watchful Hun totally off guard! Doing precisely what we have done twelve times before is exactly the last thing they’ll expect us to do this time!
This is probably a reference that I'm not getting but Armando Diaz is the good general that turned the tide for Italy and led them to victory It's Cadorna the General responsible for the many front Isonzo battles
@@thekingoffist3610 Yep the Wojak I drew is Cadorna. Blackadder is a British show where the characters are generally smart but their superiors are stupid. He's not making fun of Diaz here but showing how he has to follow orders even when he knows they are bad
It's actually kind of sad, the battle of the isonzo river. Generals didn't know what to do and didn't want to lose face, so they kept charging, charging and charging. They had to wait for the Austro-Hungarian army to just collapse to actually succeed
Weird how a song made to advertise a train that climbs steep hills (and was written in an insanely short time) has come to be identified with all of Italian culture.
I am so glad my great grandfather was moved from the Eastern front too Italy just for the memes that is 12 battles for the same exact land amazing. Much love and a united austro Hungarian empire once again
@@CatnamedMittens litteraly italians, in bozen they are german but every nation has minorities in it, and it is under special statum wich means they are more indipendent
“Guys, remember the Austrians don’t have unlimited ammo, just let them waste it all on you lot and then your friends and then some more comrades and then some more of your mates and then some more soldiers just in case and hopefully all their ammo will be gone.”
@@shivmalik9405 you should read the test of the song. Il Piave Mormorava or La Leggenda Del Piave is written after Caporetto and summarizes the war from the Italian perspective.
@@anxietydisorders5917 "Barely" 40k Italian losses 90k Austrian losses and 400k captives Barely, guys, just barely. I'm sure the Austrians could've won
1 time: its normal 2 times: its normal 3 times: semi-normal 4 times: what? 5 times: why? 6 times: WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO 7 times: I give up 8 times: just, why. 9 times: are you okay? 10 times: ... 11 times: here we go again.. 12 times: DO YOU FINALLY GIVE UP?
"It'll work this time guys, just go over the top one more time guys, it'll work."
10 times after:" Guys, lets try 11 time!!I sure, that's gonna work!!"
Communists
Sounds like a plan
You just need to try harder papa
@@weebishusername9288 Red Army rarely used human wave tactic unlike Japanese Imperial Army since Soviet factory produce more guns and tanks than population.
Exactly, we’ll do it enough times that they’ll be surprised if we do it again!
Dont worry men, this time, it will be different. Attacking the same position for the twelfth time the last thing those Austrians would expect!
Imagine having described the strategic course of the Great War in two lines.
Just like that one scene in Blackadder goes forth
''Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?''
It doing the same thing expecting different results
Imagine how powerful Italy would be if it had generals even half as good as its chefs.
Or car designers.
Remember Rome .... Yeah.
They did have some, just not the ones who were making strategic decisions
Couldn't have been said better though lmao
Primo ora l'Italia è all 11 posto tra le nazioni più potenti al mondo
Northerner Italian soldiers probably more confused why a Southerner Neapolitan song is playing on the battlefield than the actual tactics itself
Actually it was an advertising jingle for a funicular railway, so it’d be basically like wondering about elevator music playing
@@connormclernon26 wondering about elevator music being sung in a language you don't understand.
@@Kris-ff4jm credo che quelle “strategie” fossero molto più confuse della canzone…
Fr
It goes hard tho
My great-grandfather was an austro-hungarian (hungarian) soldier during WW1, and fought in Italy. He was wounded on one of his leg, and held as a captive by the italians on Sicily.
The locals treated them so well there that my great-grandfather never forgot the italian hospitality, and had good memories about the country.
Did he get pizza in the hospital .
@@jerry5550 Don't know, but he ate tons of oranges at that time. When socialist Hungary started to import large amount of orange in the '70s, everyone was excited but great-grandpa. He said he can't stand even the smell of it, because of the large quantity eaten by him during the time at the prison camp. The locals hadn't have much food to share, so the food for prisoners was mostly orange.
when you get shot in some random mountains but end in sicily
@@ghhusa here in sicily we have lots of oranges and lemons
@@ghhusa This situation was in my primary school, my mother had me eat boiled eggs for protein every morning, this went on for a year then I don't eat hard boiled eggs for a long time again
Fun fact, the Austrian officiers actually stated that if Cadorna, the Italian general, had dared another charge on the Isonzo, they may have not been able to keep the frontline.
All jokes aside, I wonder what may have Italy done to deserve such awful generals.
So If He Kept On Doing The Worst Strategy Italy Would Have Broken Trough?
This somehow extends back to the days of the Roman Empire, so clearly the Romans did something wrong before Italy even mattered.
@@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025 Cadorna's strategy was basically what the Soviets and Chinese would later do at Stalingrad and in Korea, with the only exception that Italy didn't have all that manpower to waste, so I wish that lunatic was removed from his place earlier
@@theluiginoidperson1097 well, during the centuries after the fall of the Roman Empire the Italians still had good commanders, such as in the middle ages or the '700's
I think the problem was that the Piedimontese army was nepotistic as hell when it came to generals or high ranking officiers in general
The problem with our generals (I speak as an Italian) is that many of them were educated with the 1800s techniques of open field warfare, while the other powers were already experiencing positional warfare, the Italian generals did not want to update their techniques.
And those who actually progressed in positional warfare techniques (General Diaz is the example) were either made fun of or disheartened by the high command, only to be called in case of difficulty when the other cadorna-like generals were too busy, to shit in their pants.
And this situation repeated itself during the Second World War
So we had also some good generals.......kinda...also sorry for my disgusting way of writing
When you hear "Per l´Italia ragazzi! Avanti!" for 12th time
sounds good to me tbh
and carabiniere execute another infantry man
More like: "Avanti Savoia!"
@@professionalnoob5474 lmao
My teacher grandma brother was hungary And He fight in isonzo River And He dead And grandpa was fight in krasnik and He lost his horse But He survied the ww1 and ww2
Austria: This is so predictable
Italy: Let's attack the river again
Austria: I knew it
lol
*after the 11th battle of isonzo* austria: finally! we won! italy:nuh huh austria:OH PLEASE
believe me, if we storm the same position like the last 12 times we will win, the enemy won't know what hit them.
Though technically the Italians "only" tried 11 times. The 12th time (the Battle of Caporetto) was an Austrian offensive.
@@seneca983 still shows the ridiculousness of the repeated attacks
"it just works" - Todd Howard, commander in the 3rd Italien Army
“So guys…”
“Don’t you fucking dare.”
“You know how we’ve attacked over this river 11 times…”
“Cadorna I swear to fucking god.”
“WHAT IF-“
And If They Tried A 13th Time They Would Have Actually Broke The Austrians.
beh, a Vittorio Veneto hanno ceduto eccome.
beh, a Vittorio Veneto hanno ceduto eccome.
@@darknus522 But by Vittorio-Venetto Cadorna was no longer in Charge and the Macedonian front was about to collapse.
Also the Austro-Hungarians lost a lot of manpower in the battles for the Piave wich let them weakened
dude breathin copium
They stopped just short of striking gold
My Great Grandpa in Hungary were arrived back with very postivie tales about the Italian mentality and cuisine back then.
Their unit was a mounted rifle light horsemen (hussars) but transformed their units to assault troopers. (rohamista).
Even known pizza already and shared thoughts about how people there were similar to our farmers with big families.
He was a kind of travel book with knowledge about Italian coutry and settlements.
They always had a memory event with his old brothers in arms in the wine cellar at the garden and told the stories.
One of his fellow mates always mentioned the moment when they got an artillery bombardment at a valley but grandpa saved his life.
However grandpa always made a correction, the horse was the bravest because it could be run away from the shelling if it is not for the faint of horseheart.
We Hungarians have great respect for our horses
Marshall Luigi "Melchett" Cadorna: "Doing precisely what we've done 10 times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time!"
I was about to say that I'm imagining that he sounds like Melchett...
To be (very lightly) fair to most WW1 Generals, everyone was learning at the same time what worked and didn’t at the same time, so they were constantly adapting and countering each other, which is part of what led to the stalemate.
Cadorna absolutely deserves every ounce of scorn though
A Blackadder reference? In this day and age?
Cadorna took "failure makes you stronger" but never learned from past mistakes
when you only want to deliver a pizza but you got at enemy front again.
"Please bro, just go over the top bro, it'll work this time bro, trust me bro, you have to bro, you'll be shot for cowardice if you don't bro, please bro"
many people think mustard gas was used during the great war, but it was actually copium
General Luigi “Attacked their positions in the exact same place 12 times” Cadorna be like:
this one is gold indeed ;^)
Yah, probably the best I’ve seen
Gold? Make that platinum!
That's what the Austrians thought hahaha
This is probably the highest rank Wojak ever attained. Good job, Wojak.
Luigi "It will work this time guys I swear" Cadorna
guys dont worry 10k casualties are nothing let's just do it for our king
"Avanti Savoia"
@@professionalnoob5474 Per il re!
10k casualties would be really cheap for these types of battles
@@SudrianTalesyeah even in the beginning it was more like 20-30k per battle on both sides
WwI is exciting, especially the part where Luigi Cadorna said “It’s Cadorning time”.
And than he Cadorna'd all over his own troops
"I've got an amazing plan this time."
"Is it charge the river?"
"How could you possibly know that, it's classified information?"
"Because we did it last time, and the other 10 times before."
You sometimes have to fight a battle more than once to win
Evry WW1 General Especially Italian Ones:
Even if it's like 12 times? xD
Yeah but you're supposed to actually learn from your failures
Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity...?
the austrians/hungarians/czechs/slovaks/poles/ukrainians/croats/serbs didn't have to fight 12 battles to win though
I feel like this would make a good sound track for a comedic film about the battles of Isonzo
"Once More Mate"
- Hearts of Iron IV
Cadorna be like "the 11th tine is the right guys c'mon!"
Armando Diaz be like V.V.V. raga'
“Soldati! Just one more charge and we’ll win the war!” -Luigi ‘charge at the enemy or no spaghetti’ Cadorna.
Man, pizza delivery back then was so much more dangerous
You know what, I prefer this one compared to my original idea lmao, thanks man
When a new RTS comes out but you don't wanna learn the mechanics
as italian... this is a masterpiece
The Italian officers be like:
"I had a goddamn plan!"
The Austrian counterattack after the 12th battle claimed hundreds of miles of territory extremely rapidly lol
Yeah. On the other hand, after they lost at Vittorio-Veneto they had completely run out of steam.
And then it took Italy just one attack to regain all of the lost territories and making Austria Hungary collapse
It wasn't an Austrian counterattack, The 12th battle was mainly a german effort and italians were on the defensive. Also germany later used the same strategy on the western front and it worked well against France too lol
@@giovannimuciacia2428 Except it wasn't. The Caporetto Offensive was mainly fought by the Austro-Hungarians having thirteen divisions present while the Germans only had six.
@@spassocane3821 Right, that one Italian offensive that defeated an Austria-Hungary that was at near collapse with a war exhausted population close to famine and multiple nations wanting to stop fighting and secede.
*ImPReSsiVe* indeed
"so, we charge them to-"
"how many times?"
"uhhh... as much as you need to"
[later]
"so did you win?"
"we went over *12 times* , but didn't win"
*"great job have a great day"*
Are you winning, son?
No whistle and you could have putted "Avanti Savoia!! All' Attacco!"
New orders from general Diaz!!
What does he Say?
It's lunch time,fantery
What Will We eat,general?
Pizza and Pasta to beat Austria
Armando Diaz: Good man. Now, Field Marshal Luigi has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field.
Blackadder: Now, would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking slowly towards the enemy sir?
Darling: How can you possibly know that Blackadder? It’s classified information.
Blackadder: It’s the same plan that we used last time, and the twelve times before that.
Armando Diaz: E-E-Exactly! And that is what so brilliant about it! We will catch the watchful Hun totally off guard! Doing precisely what we have done twelve times before is
exactly the last thing they’ll expect us to do this time!
Got a good laugh outta this!
This is probably a reference that I'm not getting but Armando Diaz is the good general that turned the tide for Italy and led them to victory
It's Cadorna the General responsible for the many front Isonzo battles
@@thekingoffist3610 Yep the Wojak I drew is Cadorna. Blackadder is a British show where the characters are generally smart but their superiors are stupid. He's not making fun of Diaz here but showing how he has to follow orders even when he knows they are bad
"Hear me out guys, I know we've failed 11 times."
"CADORNA DONT SAY IT"
"But NEVER GIVE UP! GO BLOW THE WHISTLES!"
confermo tutto. gli spaghetti in dotazione erano finiti e dovemmo iniziare a usare i rigatoni come munizionamento d'artiglieria
It's actually kind of sad, the battle of the isonzo river. Generals didn't know what to do and didn't want to lose face, so they kept charging, charging and charging. They had to wait for the Austro-Hungarian army to just collapse to actually succeed
hearing it at x2 is the best thing ever
Weird how a song made to advertise a train that climbs steep hills (and was written in an insanely short time) has come to be identified with all of Italian culture.
This is peak Italian strategies
I am so glad my great grandfather was moved from the Eastern front too Italy just for the memes that is 12 battles for the same exact land amazing. Much love and a united austro Hungarian empire once again
I love the counter along the top. Really helps sell the ridiculousness of the whole thing.
Thank god this guy was fired after Caporetto
"just one more guys is will work"
battlefield 1 operation be like
The mountains fell before the guard did
10 battles later, the HQ, we attack another time
Wojak Cardona getting worse and worse has me weak
You should have made: funiculi funicula but youre evacuating Tirana
Explosive meatballs in effect
"Casualties? What are casualties?"
Glory to all Italians who fought against Austrians that oppressed Italy for centuries
Now they oppress South Tyrol
*civilized italy
@@CatnamedMittens litteraly italians, in bozen they are german but every nation has minorities in it, and it is under special statum wich means they are more indipendent
@@kamai9440 They are Austrians. Just sayin they are italiens dosnt make them so
isnt any glory in losing, or as the italiens calls it "winning with allies"
Guys guys but I bet they wouldn’t expect us to attack the same river for the twelfth time
Luigi Cadorna moment
AVANTI SAVOIA
When the 12th battle is a disaster
Imagine if they just attacked one more time... they def would have made it
“Guys, remember the Austrians don’t have unlimited ammo, just let them waste it all on you lot and then your friends and then some more comrades and then some more of your mates and then some more soldiers just in case and hopefully all their ammo will be gone.”
"I swear guys, they won't be expecting the millionth frontal assault, just one more time guys!"
"Don't worry my soldiers, just one more charge!"
Colonel to soldiers:Avanti Savoia! Go go go boys!
Colonel to the officers: Dont tell them a fckn thing ok?
12 attacks on a river is insane brh. 💀
"They're surely out of ammunition now! Lets go boys! OVER THE TOP! AVANTI SAVOIA!"
TWELVE TIMES IS NOT ENOUGH!
-Luigi Cadorna probably
"Let's attack it again!"
"IM GONNA LOOSE MY GODDAMN MIND!"
You'd think the Austrians would just see the tard-guard trying to scale the mountain and just let them have it out of pity after a while.
I used to play this on repeat while i played isonzo the game 💀
Best example of what happens when the terrain is against you
This is absolutely marvelous
Perfect AV to cook my bolognese to. Thank you.
Ta-PUM
but you're on the Matajur at Caporetto breach
No one
Svetozar Borovic: *coughs*
3 Italian officers die
When you tried eleven times to deliver Mr. Joe's pizzas, but the Austrians kept getting in the way, so now you are going to get fired by Mr. Aziz.
Officers receiving new orders from that front would be like "Great, let me guess, another attack?"
"He is doing god's job"
- italian high command
Don't forget your old shipmate, but you just stepped into a Bristol pub after receiving your pay.
You should do one with “Il piave mormorava” and the battle of Vittorio Veneto.
Viva L’Italia
But since Vittorio Veneto was a Italian victory and defeat for Austria, shouldn’t it be an Austrian song?
Perhaps Il Piave mormorava would go better for caporetto
@@shivmalik9405 you should read the test of the song. Il Piave Mormorava or La Leggenda Del Piave is written after Caporetto and summarizes the war from the Italian perspective.
imagine barely "wins"against a dead Empire in famine kekw
@@anxietydisorders5917 "Barely"
40k Italian losses
90k Austrian losses and 400k captives
Barely, guys, just barely. I'm sure the Austrians could've won
Day before the 12th:
Guys,
*Hear me out,*
Italian Suicidal Charge in on the Isonzo River for the 120000th time:
"Third's time the Charm" but taking it too far
Viva l'Italia 🇮🇹
🇮🇹⚔🇦🇹🇭🇺
This time it will work, trust me.
please stop it you’re out of your mind
My great granddad was here with the hungarians and he is said to have been saved by god when he led a charge against the italian positions
Every day, i ask for another charge on Isonzo😂
Me and the boys “we just got to end on a win”
As an Italian I want to say that besides Isonzo, we really didn't have other options.
Listen, if we just keep attacking at one point were *bound* to win -Italian Leadership
1 time: its normal
2 times: its normal
3 times: semi-normal
4 times: what?
5 times: why?
6 times: WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO
7 times: I give up
8 times: just, why.
9 times: are you okay?
10 times: ...
11 times: here we go again..
12 times: DO YOU FINALLY GIVE UP?
We shall try again and again and again and again
I love the stupid person drawing slowly going insane just like lugi cadorna
“wtf is tactics charging at the enemys that are heavily fortified is better” luigi cadorna
Lol, good one