Why Expository Preaching Has Lost Its Prophetic Voice and How to Reclaim It | Chip Thornton
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- In this breakout session from the 2023 National Conference, Chip Thornton addressed the issue of why expository preaching has lost its prophetic voice and how to reclaim it.
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I couldn't agree more with Chip. Sadly many preachers contort themselves to overlay the Word of God with present day events instead of the other way around. Then Pastors wonder why almost none of the congregants know what the Bible says. Here's a unique idea...why not preach the Word verse by verse, chapter by chapter? Feed the sheep! Let God's Word do what God tells us it will do!
Hallelujah! Thank you, pastor, for defending expository preaching! The Word of salvation is simple enough that even a child can understand it.
Expository Preaching is so Important and it's What the Church Needs the Most.
I agree, but I wish it wasn’t done in such a way that just gives information for the mind. Hearts need to be changed, we need exposition that changes the heart. To quote Richard Owen Roberts, “ don’t preach from the Word, but preach the Word, don’t preach about the Word, but preach the Word.”
Yes, preached by a preacher with some unction.
Yes and amen! 2 Timothy 4:2 (KJV)
“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.” Thank you, brother!
Profound...praying for a reformation of sound preaching of the truth. God's Holy Word.
Grateful there is a remnant still.
I agree with Chip
Spot on!
Amen Brother. 🇹🇹
"What does the verse mean to you?".....Rampant within small group bible studies. I've had to repent after almost 20 years of these types of small groups.
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Our previous pastor taught through Mark and made every single passage about the gospel. I didn’t learn much under him
Mark is (actually) the gospel.
@@vikki1239 sure, my point I’d that he didn’t exegete any text other than it was the news of repentance
Poor preaching is decreed by God for your good.
Great video. Caveat - the idea that a person bringing in other scripture passages other than the main text into the sermon shows a lack of trust in the sufficiency of the Word is wrong on these grounds: 1. The word itself quotes from and borrows imagery from other biblical texts. 2. This is allowing scripture to interpret scripture. 3. The criticism he gives is the most uncharitable interpretation of why people bring in multiple passages into a sermon. if I understand correctly, this would condemn how Johnny Mac preaches. Does anyone believe MacArthur doesn't trust the word?
I agree with this entire talk, with the strong exception to his use of the phrase @34:42. The preacher he's referencing being of a certain ethnicity is a departure from the purity of this message at large, and a betrayal of many of the points made elsewhere in this presentation.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the UA-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
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Based on Hebrews 12:22-24, the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26 cannot be separated from the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood at Calvary. See the words "church" and "mount Sion" and "new covenant" and "Jesus" and "blood" in the passage.
Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible?
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Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.
(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.
(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
WHY DID GOD SEND JESUS, HIS ONLY SON, INTO THE WORLD?
In John 1:18, “no man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” Jesus is the only man to have ever seen and heard God, and he is the only man who can testify of God. Jesus said “All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him” (Matthew 11:27).
We are to listen to the only man that has seen, talked to, and knows of God the Father and that person is Jesus Christ (John 8:54-55). We must listen to Jesus because every word he speaks comes from God the Father.
If you listened to Jesus then you would agree with what he and his disciples said
Jesus quoted men from the OT as the word of God
@@danielwarton5343 Yes, because all of the words came from God (Heb 1:1).
@@user-rj8py9ld3j amen
Literal meaning only would have to disagree. There is definitely a spiritual reality. God is spirit. The history and pictures are ultimately communicating a spiritual message. The prophets studied their own scriptures to understand what they meant. The problem we have is with new evanglical hermenutics, which limits what the prophet meant to say or what the contempory hearers would have interpreted. Modern biblical interpretation has become dead and wooden. Who is the biblical author. God ultimately is, not the prophet. So this approach of limiting prophet's intent is highly flawed. Good biblical interpretation is systematic in approach and involves the Bible interpreting the Bible, not just looking at one porphet and his context in isolation. To say thats wrong would bring the Apostle Paul down also. Thats how he did it also.
What does "literal" even mean? There's no such thing as a literal chair. "Chair" is an idea, not a literal thing. This message doesn't look like the answer.
@@lkae4 Agreed
@@lkae4“Literal“ in this context means the message that the author was trying to convey. It doesn‘t mean that specific texts cannot be read metaphorically. It means that every text must be read according to the immediate and general context.
I think you‘re arguing against a different definition of „literal“ than Chip is talking about. I don‘t think he is against a systematic approach, at least he didn‘t say anything that opposes it. Or did he?
Paul uses allegory of the Old Testament in his letter to Galatia, using word pictures. Jesus says that He is the door. Why is there such a drive to read the Bible strictly literal? The author of the scriptures is not Paul or Matthew or Peter or John. It is the Holy Spirit. The apostles were writers. Jesus said the Holy Spirit is going to take from what belongs to Jesus and give it to the apostles. So if it is not about Jesus, then it is not from the Holy Spirit. Jesus Himself says the scriptures are about Him. All these biblical theologians Chip points to may or may not be incorrect, but the one's who say it is about Jesus are saying it is about Jesus because the Bible says it is about Jesus.
At the 37 minute mark Chip says, "whenever the apostles engaged in serious exegesis, they always preserved the biblical writers intended meaning." Read 2 Corinthians 6:16-18, understand where Paul pulls those scriptures from, and then tell me again the original writer intended it that way. Paul didn't use line by line, chapter by chapter. He used a method that we call chrestomathy.
I think Chip's desired ending is correct, but what stands in between him and his target is the scriptures he's trying to defend.
Thank you! This was a frustrating lecture. See my comment above for what I believe is the right solution. So many reformed types think that to preach is to use the "single meaning" MacArthur method, and act like this is is a return to the reformers and church fathers. I provide some quotes from Calvin's sermons to refute this nonsense. True Scriptural preaching must contain reproof, rebuke, and exhortation.
Blessings,
No scripture says that the Gospel is proclaimed so that the unconditionally elect can be saved. None of your scriptures you used say that either. Romans 10 which you site the verse but do not read says faith comes by hearing, hearing by the Word of Christ. That those who confess with their mouth and believe that Jesus is Lord shall be saves. I’m not talking about a watered down version. All can repent and believe as Jesus died for all, and commands everyone everywhere to repent and Believe, Acts 17. God would be a deceiver if He commanded something you could not choose to do, giving faith the condition for salvation
That makes it sound like we choose if we are saved or not, which isn't the case.
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Chip says some great things here, but for someone who has done a dissertation on expository teaching trainers like Chapell, I would have expected Chip to correctly summarise Chapell's "Fallen Condition Focus" (FCF) from Chapell's Christ Centered Preaching, so I was a little disappointed here.
Chapell: "The Fallen Condition Focus (FCF) is the mutual human condition that contemporary believers share with those to or about whom the text was written that requires the grace of the passage for God's people to glorify and enjoy him." (CCP, 50).
Unlike Chip's claim that Chapell's view imposed a *SIN* framework over the text, Chapell actually says: "...an FCF is a human problem or burden addressed by specific aspects of a scriptural text..." (CCP, 50), and, "an FCF need not be something for which which we are guilty or culpable. It simply needs to be an aspect or problem of the human condition that requires the instruction, admonition, and/or comfort of Scripture. Thus, and FCF is always phrased in negative terms. It is something wrong (though not necessarily a moral evil) that needs correction or encouragement from Scripture." (CCP, 51-52).
Amongst others, Chapell takes cues from places like 2 Tim 3:16-17 ("may be complete" ESV), 1 Cor 10:13 and Rom 15:4).
Not saying Chapell is perfect (Chip identifies some potential issues with frameworks), just that Chip did him a disservice by mischaracterising Chapell's FCF.
Could it be that Critical Race Theory is a result of White brethren not being totally sold out to the Christian faith. For example here in Africa white missionaries sided with the oppressive colonial masters in brutalizing the blacks. In the eyes of the victims Christianity and the scripture was not enough to persuade the White Christian to treat the black better. We have a saying in our mother tongue (gũtirĩ mũthũngũ na mũbĩa) meaning there's no Catholic priest (mũbĩa) and a whiteman(mũthũngũ).
Our first president in Kenya Jomo Kenyatta used to tell the people that when the whiteman arrived he carried the Bible and the blacks had the land, he told the black to shut their eyes for prayers and on opening their eyes later, the whiteman had the land and the African had the Bible.
Probably the world is seeking the external and extra source because those who claim the scripture is sufficient do not seem to treat it that way.