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Pro tip! Always disinherit before calling the diet because when you have a large negative prestige value you are often given a mission to get back to 0 prestige. The reward is 1 stab which is super good.
One of the things I like about EU4 is how different some of the major areas play so different from eachother. Ming, Japan, HRE, Hordes or a more traditional game as Poland have very different feel to them. Even bring near the Ming changes my mindset in game.
cool vid :) what i did in my run, I no cb-ed ashikaga, even though they have so many vassals , they rarely stack their armies properly and you still have more than them, I took kyoto after sieging down a few forts around it, which was great as it allowed me to get tributaries in japan and disband the shogunate. also worth noting, you will have to develop renaissance, and if you dont go explorations, colonialism and afterwards printing press, so going easy on expansion and focsing on mandate and getting more tributaries goes in line with having to save MP to do so :)
@@LudietHistoria That would actually be a really cool idea for a video (or even video series), where you go through all the ideas and talk about what's good and bad about them, situations where one could use them and things to look out. I notice I tend to always take the same idea groups in roughly the same order, would be cool to have insight into the other ones. I think you would be the perfect UA-camr to do such a video, because you have a good balance of min-maxing and just roleplaying a bit and having fun. Like in my (very chill) MP Lübeck game I was really thinking about taking Maritime ideas for the first time in my life, just because it *feels* good from a role playing perspective (Ended up going colonizing instead tho)
If this channel does challenges, please become the Emperor of BOTH the HRE and China. An added challenge, if it's possible, is to be the shogun of Japan
Ming was my first ever playthrough. i ended up colonizing most of south America and making Britain and Portugal(who had integrated Spain) into tributaries
This is the easiest nation in the game for beginners, it's basically a tutorial on how to deal with internal conflicts and very little easy wars. You can just sit there and decide what to do. Ottomans is the best nation afterwards to learn about wars and aggressive expansion.
@@sergiusko4327 The issue with maritime and naval ideas is that navies are a joke in EU4. They dont really do anything apart from bombarding coastal forts, protect trade or move actual troops from A to B. Its always better to invest your points into tech or another idea group than putting it into an idea group that does nothing. The other issue is their policies you unlock are 100% useless. I think if maritime ideas and trade ideas were merged and buffed it could be pickable for a few nations like Genoa, Kilwa, Mamluksand Malaya who can use a navy and can benefit from trade boosts
@@sergiusko4327 As far as I know, a lot of people take Naval + Maritime in multiplayer games, as naval warfare is quite a thing there and Naval Hegemon gives nice buffs and score income per year, which is extremely important. But fairly speaking, they should replace repair with additional trade efficiency and some combat buffs to make them useful even in non-multiplayer games. I am a huge fan of playing naval empires, so I feel a little bit sad for such weak ideas.
I have some Q below. I wanted this DLC since i saw your oda and Jianzhou guides :) I wanted to play as ming too but was afraid to play without DLC, maybe i will be able soon :P Q1: 3:20 with which DLC im able to disinherit my heir? Q2: 3:40 with which DLC im able to use this diplomatic tree? Q3: 8:20 with which DLC im able to use advanced subject tree?
So what I'm getting from this is if I don't have the moh dlc Ming is actually less of a pain to play as? Cause with all the benefits it brings, I'm not sure it's worth the headache of tributaries border, prosperity, mandate, revolts etc. It looks way easier and even a candidate for wc without it.
To be honest, Confucian is better for world conquest. It's up to you. The bonuses you get from it are not as good. But I think that the best bonus is that other religions can be considered as your true faith. It means that you effectively remove one of the main sources of unrest from the game. Just make sure to not get below 50 harmony while you are harmonizing. Also if you take Humanist ideas you won't get any penalties from other Eastern religions. The admin tech discount is also very good. Buddhism is the easiest to get and it is not so bad if you want a better army.
5:40 Confucian is literally the worst religion in all game. It's worse than even generic no-bonus religion, as you get tons of penalties from it, and you cannot convert anyone. If you want to harmonize everyone, that's 340 years at 0% harmony. If you skip Jewish and Zoroastrian, and get some events, that's still 270 years at 0% harmony penalty. And you absolutely do not want to wait - you either plan to switch religion to something better, or just start harmonizing immediately to get over it faster. Waiting for higher harmony is pointless, it will absolutely go to 0%. That fort advice is terrible. Forts are stupidly expensive, and your mandate is totally fine, even AI has no problems whatsoever with mandate, and 1.30 Ming never collapses. Useless forts are just throwing money away, and provide no value whatsoever. 18:00 Quantity as Ming? Dude, what's wrong with you! You're the biggest country in the world, and your tributaries are sending you insane number of free soldiers. What you need as Ming is admin for extra government capacity, and exploration/expansion for colonists. Religious if you want to flip to better religion (if you don't, humanist is kinda bad, as those harmonized religions don't get bonus, but OK). Everything else is irrelevant, but quantity is especially irrelevant, and Ming is one country that needs it the least. The most important thing about Ming that you never said is to only press reform button when your mandate is at +100, not at +80, that saves you the worst of the debuffs. Also use decree for dev cost discounts so you can dev push all institutions and core cheaper! Tax one is useless, just delete those stupid forts, and you'll have ridiculous money. Your guides have mixed quality, but this one might be seriously the worst guide you've made so far.
Won't the forts help you out against rebels and get rid of devastation?
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@@Rune-ThiefAs Ming you're stupidly stable and will never get any rebels except during Ming Crisis which lasts like 10 years at most, but really you can finish it in a few months if you know what you're doing (or in one day if you cheese it).
@ Technicaly you don't need to harmonize Eastern denominations because Cunfucian gives +2 tolerance of heretics and other +2 from neo confucianism so if you take Humanist ideas you won't get any penalties (if you have high legitimacy you don't even need it). Thanks to the events it mostly takes less than 30 years. You can skip jewish and zoroastrian because they will probably get converted before you conquer the right provinces. Harmonization will remove main source of unrest which is religion. Tolerance of the true faith is better than tolerance of heretics and heathens. The penalties can be easily avoided because harmony is not hard to manage.
Yeah and he making all the hordes tribuites they can still conquer other lands and get over 300 dev and give you bad debuffs. and he conquered oirat and made it a tributes it can conquer the other hordes then attack Uzbek get over 300 dev
If you capture Ava completely in one war, then all its tributaries will become yours, so you can quickly subdue the whole of Burma. And yes, your tributaries don't get aggressive expansion from you
pro tip: you don't. typically it totally occupies your time for a good number of years which really slows down your progress, just finesse the game to not let the event happen.
I'm currently playing ming and I find myself a bit stuck. I'm in 1580's and I gained my 3 first colonial nations in america yet a lot of tributaries are becoming enormous and disloyal and my governance capacity is full. So I can't really expand much more. What do you think I should do ? Conquer Japan and divide it in tributaries ?
granted, i havent played ming in quite a few patches, but thats is just how it is xD the big tributaries go disloyal, then you placate them for as long as that is feasible. and after that you just go and dump him them, then force them to be a tributary again, and i think they should be paying tribute for as long as the truce lasts. Or you force them to release some nations and get a new tributary or 3
I don’t know about playing on stream, but I could ditch mandate of by switching time in entering screen, by hiting ming on the map in scrolling time till the French Revolution, when you’re tag doesn’t exist, the just coming back into starting date. After it you start with feudalism government but with active mandate, but the funny part is, that you don’t get debuffs from low mandate, but contrary you gain buffs from reforms, all five of it. The downside of it is that you start with 0 crown land. P.s this ain’t working for Qing.
I've played a few Ming games and also end up struggling with rebels and what not, but I never knew about the Fort trick, that would of bad my life easier.
I think it’s better to Ally Ashikaga at the beginning. They sometimes be friendly with Ming in the beginning and in one game I manage to get a PU cb on them and make them my junior partner.
So, what if I don't have the DLC? Are there any ways around it or do you just advise me to buy it? (Or to try and win it in your giveaway of course ;-) )
Increase stability before you give privileges for advisor cost. It will be cheaper. Also I would probably pick admin ideas quite soon because Ming of the +25% admin capacity. The decree for dev cost could be better choice at the start because you will have to spawn renesance. Great video btw.
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Could you make Catholic Ming guide?
Pro tip! Always disinherit before calling the diet because when you have a large negative prestige value you are often given a mission to get back to 0 prestige. The reward is 1 stab which is super good.
That's a great tip Andrew!
Wow bro it was sooo helpful!
Worth noting that, once you unlock the Transfer Subject age bonus, you can snag Mongolia and Yarkand as your vassals for very cheap.
oooh that's a great point actually!
How
@@adwans1491 get Transfer Subject age bonus, win war with Oriat, take transfer mongolia vassal war goal
One of the things I like about EU4 is how different some of the major areas play so different from eachother.
Ming, Japan, HRE, Hordes or a more traditional game as Poland have very different feel to them. Even bring near the Ming changes my mindset in game.
Very true, it's like playing a completely different game altogether
those zooms at the beginning get me every time
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Go to horny jail
Ahahahah xD bruh :p me2
@@flavivsaetivs5738 aight boss
Sun tzu said playing eu4 is not the best way to learn how to run a state
Fact
Just reading that book. Cheers, bro
cool vid :) what i did in my run, I no cb-ed ashikaga, even though they have so many vassals , they rarely stack their armies properly and you still have more than them, I took kyoto after sieging down a few forts around it, which was great as it allowed me to get tributaries in japan and disband the shogunate. also worth noting, you will have to develop renaissance, and if you dont go explorations, colonialism and afterwards printing press, so going easy on expansion and focsing on mandate and getting more tributaries goes in line with having to save MP to do so :)
Better than Orthodox? No.
Very good religion for WC? Yes.
Yeah that's actually well said.
17:08 I thought you were gonna say maritime xD
ahahahah one day, for another nation :p
@@LudietHistoria That would actually be a really cool idea for a video (or even video series), where you go through all the ideas and talk about what's good and bad about them, situations where one could use them and things to look out. I notice I tend to always take the same idea groups in roughly the same order, would be cool to have insight into the other ones. I think you would be the perfect UA-camr to do such a video, because you have a good balance of min-maxing and just roleplaying a bit and having fun.
Like in my (very chill) MP Lübeck game I was really thinking about taking Maritime ideas for the first time in my life, just because it *feels* good from a role playing perspective (Ended up going colonizing instead tho)
If this channel does challenges, please become the Emperor of BOTH the HRE and China. An added challenge, if it's possible, is to be the shogun of Japan
Ming was my first ever playthrough. i ended up colonizing most of south America and making Britain and Portugal(who had integrated Spain) into tributaries
Can you do a Georgia guide? Really love your guides and I think Georgia is an interesting start.
This is the easiest nation in the game for beginners, it's basically a tutorial on how to deal with internal conflicts and very little easy wars. You can just sit there and decide what to do. Ottomans is the best nation afterwards to learn about wars and aggressive expansion.
Ahahaha he really said vagina 6:00 lmao
Bro, thats haram
Vaxhaina
me and my friends tend to call Vijayanagar vaginaguard.. should try switch religion to vagina one day so i can be vaginaguard of the vagina
@@texdillinger6173 lmao (yes)
He tried his best..
Ludi could you hold a poll about who has dlcs and who doesnt, i think that knowing the proportions would be interesting
Hey kell! Great idea! Just set up the poll!
Surely everyone committed enough to be watching UA-cam videos will have picked up at least the game altering DLCs in a sale or something?
Prosperity, just build them forts, so many forts :-D
Yup, this is pretty much it!
Played a lot of eu4 never played ming, never wanted to play ming. But this guide makes me want to play ming
As second idea... And i see this cursor over maritime, almost get heart attack xD
Ahahaha, maritime is trash, but hey, made you think I'd pick it lol :p
Any idea to make maritime ideas worth it?
@@sergiusko4327 The issue with maritime and naval ideas is that navies are a joke in EU4. They dont really do anything apart from bombarding coastal forts, protect trade or move actual troops from A to B. Its always better to invest your points into tech or another idea group than putting it into an idea group that does nothing. The other issue is their policies you unlock are 100% useless.
I think if maritime ideas and trade ideas were merged and buffed it could be pickable for a few nations like Genoa, Kilwa, Mamluksand Malaya who can use a navy and can benefit from trade boosts
@@sergiusko4327 As far as I know, a lot of people take Naval + Maritime in multiplayer games, as naval warfare is quite a thing there and Naval Hegemon gives nice buffs and score income per year, which is extremely important. But fairly speaking, they should replace repair with additional trade efficiency and some combat buffs to make them useful even in non-multiplayer games. I am a huge fan of playing naval empires, so I feel a little bit sad for such weak ideas.
I have some Q below. I wanted this DLC since i saw your oda and Jianzhou guides :) I wanted to play as ming too but was afraid to play without DLC, maybe i will be able soon :P
Q1: 3:20 with which DLC im able to disinherit my heir?
Q2: 3:40 with which DLC im able to use this diplomatic tree?
Q3: 8:20 with which DLC im able to use advanced subject tree?
Hey there! That would be the art of war dlc, common sense dlc and mandate of heaven dlc
@@LudietHistoria thanks :D
was about to go to sleep before seeing this
Ahahah, thanks for watching Cormack!
Nice Video 👍... I would like to see a Frankonia guide, because i struggle to form it and it's my homeregion 😁 the AE ist a pain 😅 would be great 👍
I think it ll be better to offensive than quantity for sure.
6:00 Harmonizing with other religions is great, for example if u harmonize with vagina
Hmmm, i wounder what happens 9 mounths after such harmony
great guide as always :)
Plz make another video showing a super OP setup for Ming. Beyond comprehension. Celestial nation too stronk
Coming soon Roger!
So what I'm getting from this is if I don't have the moh dlc Ming is actually less of a pain to play as? Cause with all the benefits it brings, I'm not sure it's worth the headache of tributaries border, prosperity, mandate, revolts etc. It looks way easier and even a candidate for wc without it.
Exactly! If you dont have the mandate of heaven Ming is actually 10 time stronger and has none of the weaknesses xD
Do you think you can do a guide on bengal next I play as them once and it was a fun playthrought for me.
Can this still work for 1.34
Ludi, can the next guide be on forming armenia as Kharabakh?
Could you please do Georgia? Its my country and Im curious, how it performs in eu4
Yeah, Georgia is on my list of countries to cover!
I just like the map
The only reason I bought the game
Could you make Catholic Ming guide?
Big like for ya 👍 Old Nerd supporting 👍🙂
Do one on Delhi
Can you do a OP guide? For multiplayer games
Love Your Channel thank you for your tips and thricks. Now i hope i win the DLC
Thank you for the kind words Isac! Good luck in the Giveaway, there's 2 copies, so bigger chances!
Is it smart to swich teligion as ming?To shinto or buddhist?
To be honest, Confucian is better for world conquest. It's up to you.
The bonuses you get from it are not as good. But I think that the best bonus is that other religions can be considered as your true faith. It means that you effectively remove one of the main sources of unrest from the game.
Just make sure to not get below 50 harmony while you are harmonizing.
Also if you take Humanist ideas you won't get any penalties from other Eastern religions. The admin tech discount is also very good.
Buddhism is the easiest to get and it is not so bad if you want a better army.
The strongest nation in the world
The richest nation in the world
The most feared nation in the world(probaly)
Rivals a 2 province minor
i havent the mandate of heaven dlc :(((
How did you het do good?
What was the question again? xD
The Emperor Qizhen Zhu is absolutely bad if you have interest read the history of him
please najd guide.
To me boi pls
Ah yes, butchering the Chinese names
1st
Ming go home
CCP paid ludi for this lol
What's the point of playing Ming anyways. You are already a huge blob from the start
Ming seems pretty boring
5:40 Confucian is literally the worst religion in all game. It's worse than even generic no-bonus religion, as you get tons of penalties from it, and you cannot convert anyone.
If you want to harmonize everyone, that's 340 years at 0% harmony. If you skip Jewish and Zoroastrian, and get some events, that's still 270 years at 0% harmony penalty. And you absolutely do not want to wait - you either plan to switch religion to something better, or just start harmonizing immediately to get over it faster. Waiting for higher harmony is pointless, it will absolutely go to 0%.
That fort advice is terrible. Forts are stupidly expensive, and your mandate is totally fine, even AI has no problems whatsoever with mandate, and 1.30 Ming never collapses. Useless forts are just throwing money away, and provide no value whatsoever.
18:00 Quantity as Ming? Dude, what's wrong with you! You're the biggest country in the world, and your tributaries are sending you insane number of free soldiers. What you need as Ming is admin for extra government capacity, and exploration/expansion for colonists. Religious if you want to flip to better religion (if you don't, humanist is kinda bad, as those harmonized religions don't get bonus, but OK). Everything else is irrelevant, but quantity is especially irrelevant, and Ming is one country that needs it the least.
The most important thing about Ming that you never said is to only press reform button when your mandate is at +100, not at +80, that saves you the worst of the debuffs.
Also use decree for dev cost discounts so you can dev push all institutions and core cheaper! Tax one is useless, just delete those stupid forts, and you'll have ridiculous money.
Your guides have mixed quality, but this one might be seriously the worst guide you've made so far.
Won't the forts help you out against rebels and get rid of devastation?
@@Rune-ThiefAs Ming you're stupidly stable and will never get any rebels except during Ming Crisis which lasts like 10 years at most, but really you can finish it in a few months if you know what you're doing (or in one day if you cheese it).
@ Technicaly you don't need to harmonize Eastern denominations because Cunfucian gives +2 tolerance of heretics and other +2 from neo confucianism so if you take Humanist ideas you won't get any penalties (if you have high legitimacy you don't even need it).
Thanks to the events it mostly takes less than 30 years.
You can skip jewish and zoroastrian because they will probably get converted before you conquer the right provinces.
Harmonization will remove main source of unrest which is religion.
Tolerance of the true faith is better than tolerance of heretics and heathens.
The penalties can be easily avoided because harmony is not hard to manage.
Yeah and he making all the hordes tribuites they can still conquer other lands and get over 300 dev and give you bad debuffs.
and he conquered oirat and made it a tributes it can conquer the other hordes then attack Uzbek get over 300 dev
Okay, playing Ming really does seem different
Usually Im taking loans and tearing down forts - here I'm building forts and not taking loans... weird
If you capture Ava completely in one war, then all its tributaries will become yours, so you can quickly subdue the whole of Burma. And yes, your tributaries don't get aggressive expansion from you
I know I wont play most of the nations you make videos on. But hey I still tune in!
Ahahah thanks Max, much appreciate the support bro!
Love the video. However I would have liked to see you include a segment video on how to deal with the "Crisis of The Ming Dynasty" disaster.
pro tip: you don't. typically it totally occupies your time for a good number of years which really slows down your progress, just finesse the game to not let the event happen.
I’m sure it’s situational, but is there a rule fo thumb on when to annex vs make tributary when expanding?
Is it possible to be both HRE emperor/member and have the mandate of heaven?
Premiere gang B)
Heya!
Hey there premiere gang :D
First question is, why would you play ming? Better and funnier game is as qing
If you play multiplayer and end up with Ming which you never played before, you're basicly fu**ed
Please please please, that's the DLC I really really want!! 😁😁
I'm currently playing ming and I find myself a bit stuck. I'm in 1580's and I gained my 3 first colonial nations in america yet a lot of tributaries are becoming enormous and disloyal and my governance capacity is full. So I can't really expand much more. What do you think I should do ? Conquer Japan and divide it in tributaries ?
granted, i havent played ming in quite a few patches, but thats is just how it is xD the big tributaries go disloyal, then you placate them for as long as that is feasible. and after that you just go and dump him them, then force them to be a tributary again, and i think they should be paying tribute for as long as the truce lasts. Or you force them to release some nations and get a new tributary or 3
hey ludi, could you do a bahmanis guide?
Source for girl on the right in thumbnail please
Thank you for your information! Maybe I can play Ming but I don't have dlc. I hope I get win! :)
best of luck in the giveaway Rei! And thanks for watching the video!
Like like like people it helps the channel 💖
For what I hear ming is the land of eternal suffering
Could you do a video about Ming WC. I always run out of time for doing so.
Defensive or offensive ideas? You've shown offensive but told bout Defensive
I don’t know about playing on stream, but I could ditch mandate of by switching time in entering screen, by hiting ming on the map in scrolling time till the French Revolution, when you’re tag doesn’t exist, the just coming back into starting date. After it you start with feudalism government but with active mandate, but the funny part is, that you don’t get debuffs from low mandate, but contrary you gain buffs from reforms, all five of it. The downside of it is that you start with 0 crown land.
P.s this ain’t working for Qing.
13:22 forts
I hate to play Ming and could never play them for more then 10 minutes, yet I still watch this videoXD Great content as always👍🏻
I've played a few Ming games and also end up struggling with rebels and what not, but I never knew about the Fort trick, that would of bad my life easier.
Good to see the video separations with the different categories. Really useful to skim through the video to the parts you really care about.
Ai ming is often explode
pls do a provence guide
Ryazan guide coming up?
Just asking should we keep extending the monopolies or there a certain time when its best to stop them
I think you should stop giving out monopolies once you hit the intended level of mercantilism.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
as ming wc is possibile?
When are you going to do the Knights ? I need help :(
Knights coming very son as it was requested a lot!
👍
Give us your secret stash Ludi! Or else I will take it by force!
Ahahaha, NEVER, miiiine xD
@@LudietHistoria lmao
I think it’s better to Ally Ashikaga at the beginning. They sometimes be friendly with Ming in the beginning and in one game I manage to get a PU cb on them and make them my junior partner.
So, what if I don't have the DLC? Are there any ways around it or do you just advise me to buy it? (Or to try and win it in your giveaway of course ;-) )
Just pirate the dlcs
Just buy a cheap steam key from reseller.
Increase stability before you give privileges for advisor cost. It will be cheaper. Also I would probably pick admin ideas quite soon because Ming of the +25% admin capacity.
The decree for dev cost could be better choice at the start because you will have to spawn renesance.
Great video btw.