Corey actually had it correct how rebound works. It's a trigger that goes on to the stack, then the trigger resolves and THEN you cast the spell. So corey can stack it so the emeria trigger resolves first, putting the angel into play, then resolve the rebound trigger, which THEN Let's you cast the spell, and can target the angel.
At the first glance it really seems to work in a way the rest thought was right, I'm not surprised they disagreed with him so strongly :) such an interesting interaction!
@@tilleruez6869 They didn't STRONGLY disagree with him. They weren't sure either, so they played it like it wasn't as strong as Corey suspected it might be. Which, IMO, is the correct way to play when you're unsure about card interaction. Play it in it's weaker form, then learn if it's stronger. Otherwise, you could be cheating people. I say the same thing when people remark "I'm not sure if I played a land this turn," err on the side you have, because then you're not cheating.
@@ohyea456 when it comes to rules you and opponents having different solutions to problem at the table may always check if google gives any results to your question, usually in form of some thread on reddit. Obviously it doesnt work while recording an episode for youtube channel :D But in other cases it's always worth to find solution at instant and let the rest of group know so you won't have similar problems next time
@@tilleruez6869 Yeah, that's not always a great solution either. People don't typically like to wait around for 15 minutes while you google an intricate rules interaction. I know, because I'm quite a rules lawyer and have a lot of experience looking rules up during games. Most often, it's best to make a snap decision, erring on the side of not cheating, and while play continues, someone can look into it. Or after the game ends. Most people are just playing to have fun. Obviously, sometimes the situation calls for it, such as a game deciding play, but most of the time you can just continue. Commander is a casual format after all.
When is Stephen going to learn he needs to kick Jon when he is down? If he ever gets his feet under him he never hesitates to sweep Stephens leg in response.
@@racewarkingdomsablefundamental misunderstanding of magic? The guy has won a bunch of Grand Prix, star city open, etc and so on… he also has played and gotten super far in pro tours. He just doesn’t understand the commander format
Just an FYI, watched the new spike feeders game and Alex tried to cast a land, but Elliot quickly reminded him that he was not Steven Green and could not, in fact, cast his land. It's known the world over that only #teamgreen can cast lands!
Corey: "I would definitely try to kill him(Stephen) if you keep me alive." I would have turned every single creature sideways, including the lethal commander, all at Corey *JUST* for destroying/exiling 198 of my artifacts that game.
This game was very reminiscent of one of the first commander vs episodes when Jon was playing Surrak Dragonclaw. He played craterhoof, killed 2 opponents and then died to justin's narset. Long story short, I guess some things never change XD
I enjoy them blaming Corey for "letting" Jon get to 15 points, when Jeremy and Stephen focused Corey, while Corey put Jon over a barrel for most of the game.
@@filiphorvath8932 I've been hearing people say that a lot, I'm willing to bet there was a lot of resistance, but it wasn't voiced until someone else broke the silence
Is it just me or was the audio balance a little off this week? I feel like it was a lot quieter. And yes, I checked both my computer volume and my UA-cam volume, all levels were normal
I appreciate how fast you guys start the game now MUCH better than when it legit took almost 10 minutes to get to the game. Although it’s really weird that you wait to deck tech until the end of the first turn
There’s no way you legitimately think that Corey is the problem in this game right? Do you not see Jeremy’s board? Elesh is incredibly mediocre in comparison to birgi + storm kiln in an instant/sorcery deck
@@weirdo82 Corey was literally handed the game lol. Everyone at the table knew and Corey even acknowledged it. John wanted to go for a risky play. He had a full turn to kill Corey while he was at 3 life and he didn't find a way to do it.
@@robertbauerle5592 Never said he wasn't? I'm talking about you stating Jeremy was a threat, which he is, but that Corey wasn't. Calling Elesh Norn "mediocre" is hilariously faulty, when cards like torpor orb and panharminocon are notorious in commander. Even early in the game, he had stax effects and blink shenanigans down. Anybody who thinks Corey's commander and his effects aren't a threat in their own right has never played against stax or etb effects.
The commander damage counter next to the names is different than every other channel and it kinda confused me. Like jon had dealt damage to Jeremy so he had the damage he dealt next to his name instead of Jeremy having it next to his to signify that he took that much
Isn't Jon suppose to have 16 points? If he ended last episode on 10, won this game, killed someone with commander damage, AND cast his commander 4+ times, that should be 16. You should consider playing an archenemy game when the person in the lead has twice the number of points than second place. Each player antes up X number of points and plays with the archenemy cards: 1st place vs the other three. Whichever side wins doubles whatever they ante.
@@Nerveroxis *Entirely* Artifact Lands according to what he told Stephen as they were counting. He did play a Karn's Bastion next turn, but yeah, losing all his lands would have been bonkers.
Family issues going on still and from what I heard his podcast he yells why he hasn't been in and and says he may not return from what I heard but don't quote me
What is the new noisy in the background? I have been watching since before seasons and I struggled to watch this due to the noise giving me a headache sorry guys.
I don't get Jonathan last attack at all. Eliminating Corey should've been his first target... after everything he suffered from him in the early game. But welp \_(·_·)_/
Points systems are the absolute best for long running Commander leagues. If you only ever focused on just winning you'd forget this format is supposed to be focused on a shared fun experience.
Please keep this in mind as you read this; I am now subbed on two channels, I watch the show every week, I've played since alpha with only a break around OG Mirrodin, so I have stuck with this game, even through crap fiesta eras where NPE cards were all over the place (I ran Isshan's Shade in my Necro deck, back when he was considered "too good"), so, take this with a grain of salt, please. I see this all the time here... Run Torpor Orb... Please? You all love value to such a nauseating extent that most of the decks revolve around ETB effects, it kills you guys more often than I think than any other type of effect. I am not saying to run Null Rod, but single target versatile removal and something to curb blink effects would go a long way to resolving issues that end up with people becoming archenemy by turn 5. Assassin's Trophy Mythos of Nethroi Agonizing Remorse Rapid Decay Swords to Plowshares Puterfy Mortify Bedevil Are all removal off the top of my head that simply solve problems at instant speed, they are all 3 mana or less and, aside from Swords can hit more than one card type... I know single target removal is "a waste of a card slot" but so is needing to throw your cards into a meat grinder to kill someone because no one at the table had a Swiss Army knife, because they all brought bazookas. I am dead broke to the point of selling cards to pay bills, so it's not like I have bought anything in the past few years, but there have to be other super versatile cards I did not mention, heck I can even send in a few of my deck lists circa M20 so you can update them to your liking, I'm an average player, maybe good(?) but due to health reasons I simply suck at focusing, so I make a lot of small mistakes, but I did win/2nd most of my games, back when I could think straight, so you guys may even have fun? So yeah, that's my rant I guess. No matter what, thanks for your vids, it is one of the things that keep me of rock bottom. So, I honestly can't thank you guys enough for that.
Every game I watch with Corey, the more I dislike Corey. It seems like his entire goal of playing it to ensure others don't have fun and it is not enjoyable to watch.
This is the second game with Elesh Norn I’ve watched (after the command zone) and it really is a miserable card. Neither of these games were fun in my opinion because Elesh just warps the game around itself.
I see your point but we also have a bias of wanting to be entertained by this game whereas if we sit at a table the fun may be in finding a creative solution to the problem which is more engaging.
There are a lot of things wrong with Golos. He reduces commander tax to 1. He perfect fixes your mana situation for colorless from the command zone, even if you don't go grab World Tree. His 3 free spells per activation doesn't have a limit per turn or sorcery speed. He's 5 colors meaning you don't have to give anything up. He was the best commander for any deck regardless of what your deck's strategy was attempting to accomplish unless you're a two card combo with your commander and sometimes not even then.
Eldrazi Displacer targets enter the battlefield tapped. Worst music so far. Please stop putting it in. Seeing a lot of agreement in the comments for this episode.
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You ever going to stop putting the stupid, distracting music under the game?
@Naitomea No ❤
Corey actually had it correct how rebound works. It's a trigger that goes on to the stack, then the trigger resolves and THEN you cast the spell. So corey can stack it so the emeria trigger resolves first, putting the angel into play, then resolve the rebound trigger, which THEN Let's you cast the spell, and can target the angel.
At the first glance it really seems to work in a way the rest thought was right, I'm not surprised they disagreed with him so strongly :) such an interesting interaction!
@@tilleruez6869 Yeah, but it's important to note that it's the ability to cast it that goes on the stack at upkeep and not the actual card.
@@tilleruez6869 They didn't STRONGLY disagree with him. They weren't sure either, so they played it like it wasn't as strong as Corey suspected it might be. Which, IMO, is the correct way to play when you're unsure about card interaction. Play it in it's weaker form, then learn if it's stronger. Otherwise, you could be cheating people. I say the same thing when people remark "I'm not sure if I played a land this turn," err on the side you have, because then you're not cheating.
@@ohyea456 when it comes to rules you and opponents having different solutions to problem at the table may always check if google gives any results to your question, usually in form of some thread on reddit.
Obviously it doesnt work while recording an episode for youtube channel :D But in other cases it's always worth to find solution at instant and let the rest of group know so you won't have similar problems next time
@@tilleruez6869 Yeah, that's not always a great solution either. People don't typically like to wait around for 15 minutes while you google an intricate rules interaction. I know, because I'm quite a rules lawyer and have a lot of experience looking rules up during games. Most often, it's best to make a snap decision, erring on the side of not cheating, and while play continues, someone can look into it. Or after the game ends. Most people are just playing to have fun. Obviously, sometimes the situation calls for it, such as a game deciding play, but most of the time you can just continue. Commander is a casual format after all.
When is Stephen going to learn he needs to kick Jon when he is down? If he ever gets his feet under him he never hesitates to sweep Stephens leg in response.
It was satisfying to see Jon get immediately punished
It’s actually getting a little ridiculous to tell the truth. How many times can they let Jon do this and still have it be believable.
I love the way you guys are introducing the deck in the start now!
I miss JP so much
yep, same. corey's stoner chuckle at EVERY WORD out of his mouth and his fundamental misunderstanding of magic rules makes this show infinitely worse
What even happened to jp?
@@racewarkingdomsablefundamental misunderstanding of magic? The guy has won a bunch of Grand Prix, star city open, etc and so on… he also has played and gotten super far in pro tours. He just doesn’t understand the commander format
@@yorkazord319 i dunno man, doesn't matter what he's won or done, just watch these videos. he doesn't understand basic magic rules
@@racewarkingdomsable yeah serious Seth Rogen vibes
Just an FYI, watched the new spike feeders game and Alex tried to cast a land, but Elliot quickly reminded him that he was not Steven Green and could not, in fact, cast his land. It's known the world over that only #teamgreen can cast lands!
Pretty sure the displacer puts the creature back into play tapped. That was the beauty of it in standard.
Corey: "I would definitely try to kill him(Stephen) if you keep me alive."
I would have turned every single creature sideways, including the lethal commander, all at Corey *JUST* for destroying/exiling 198 of my artifacts that game.
Seems entirely reasonable
Poor Green never learns to not go full in vs Jon
This game was very reminiscent of one of the first commander vs episodes when Jon was playing Surrak Dragonclaw. He played craterhoof, killed 2 opponents and then died to justin's narset.
Long story short, I guess some things never change XD
Elesh Norn as commander is a good way to no have friends, regardless of which one you pick.
Yooooooooooooooh, this new addiiton on deck tecks is CLEAAAAAAAAAAN! Super fan of the addition!
Displacer should be putting Corey’s creatures back into play tapped
Yeah him blinking vigelence is a mistake
yep his angel should have been tapped when he blocked stephen's commander. he would have been dead a long time ago
I enjoy them blaming Corey for "letting" Jon get to 15 points, when Jeremy and Stephen focused Corey, while Corey put Jon over a barrel for most of the game.
Corey: "Your deck's obnoxious" while playing Elesh Norn.....pot, meet kettle
I feel like everybody was chill with Elesh before Sheldon's article.
@@filiphorvath8932 I've been hearing people say that a lot, I'm willing to bet there was a lot of resistance, but it wasn't voiced until someone else broke the silence
not the one to comment often... but have to say i Like the new format with the faster start into the game with some deck tech later on!
I was going to spend my sick day going through spoilers but this is even better!
Same boat lol. Hope you feel better
It is a nice way to spend a sick day.
y'all need to figure out your sound. You've been more and more muted since you went to this new set-up.
Yeah they need those personal mics back, it was way better audio back then
Oh look, Jon whines the entire episode and then manages to take out 2 players out of nowhere....yep that's peak Jon.
I love you Jonathan, couldn't think of a better pilot to take the Myr for a spin
Corey's power is equivalent to the size of his hair. He'll soon be unstoppable.
Elesh Norn is a kill on sight commande
Is it just me or was the audio balance a little off this week? I feel like it was a lot quieter. And yes, I checked both my computer volume and my UA-cam volume, all levels were normal
Bring back VS Live!
Would love more deck techs in videos
you guys should all play poison decks and see who dies first
29:55 no Chaos warp Steven?
Please go back to doing deck techs at the beginning.
Please
Please
Please
Please
Please
I appreciate how fast you guys start the game now MUCH better than when it legit took almost 10 minutes to get to the game. Although it’s really weird that you wait to deck tech until the end of the first turn
Liquid metal coating and artifact destruction is red way of removing enchantments. Or chaos warp
Why do the card images go away so quickly? D:
44:04 I couldn't stop laughing for a minute straight
Jon should of spread the love
How did Corey exile jons lands?
NEVER LEAVE JOHN ALIVE HAVENT YOU GUYS LEARNED YET IN OVER 300 EPISODES!!!
the end of that game was BRUTAL....all that land D...ouch!
Imagine that, Corey plays the single spikiest card in the set. Never would have seen it coming.
I would argue Unctus is spikier.
Oh man I hope I can get Stephen to see a goofy qss deck I've been working on specifically for him
Corey's shirt though 👍
It just sucks that John missed so many draw triggers from Jhoira, when she was on the battlefield
I love that band on Cory shirt I knew we were one in the same
First time watching in this channel. Honest question, why do you guys not use digital life counters?
Stephen looks uncomfortably hot in this episode
I thought that as well he didn’t seem well
I can’t wait to see Infect in action next week. Who will be the brave soul - or maybe all four of you can be compleated.
It would be so funny if 3 of them played infect and one of them played Melira
37 minutes into the video. I hope this turns into an arch enemy game. This is brutal
I mean Elesh Norn is a kill on sight commande
There’s no way you legitimately think that Corey is the problem in this game right? Do you not see Jeremy’s board? Elesh is incredibly mediocre in comparison to birgi + storm kiln in an instant/sorcery deck
@@robertbauerle5592 and yet, who ended up winning? Hint: not Jeremy.
@@weirdo82 Corey was literally handed the game lol. Everyone at the table knew and Corey even acknowledged it. John wanted to go for a risky play. He had a full turn to kill Corey while he was at 3 life and he didn't find a way to do it.
@@robertbauerle5592 Never said he wasn't? I'm talking about you stating Jeremy was a threat, which he is, but that Corey wasn't. Calling Elesh Norn "mediocre" is hilariously faulty, when cards like torpor orb and panharminocon are notorious in commander.
Even early in the game, he had stax effects and blink shenanigans down. Anybody who thinks Corey's commander and his effects aren't a threat in their own right has never played against stax or etb effects.
Great episode slightly hampered by the fact that commander damage wasn't tracked properly.
My bad, just noticed I was wrong about the commander damage!
Awesome game.
Hoping to see Janky magic or turn 4 wins
The commander damage counter next to the names is different than every other channel and it kinda confused me. Like jon had dealt damage to Jeremy so he had the damage he dealt next to his name instead of Jeremy having it next to his to signify that he took that much
I'm impressed no one picked atraxa.
rebelution fan niceeeeee
Man, that last 5 minutes was rough to watch. I do wish that Corey could find another way to play magic other than flickering lol.
how else will someone play elish norn though
@@Gunnarr123abc You can have plenty of ETB effects without flickering and blinking everything. White has plenty of ways to win.
One of few times I will hope John wins because he playing myr and I love myr
Continuing to put distracting, annoying music under the video.
Great new video format, however the sound was really quiet
Thought I was crazy for a second
Isn't Jon suppose to have 16 points? If he ended last episode on 10, won this game, killed someone with commander damage, AND cast his commander 4+ times, that should be 16.
You should consider playing an archenemy game when the person in the lead has twice the number of points than second place. Each player antes up X number of points and plays with the archenemy cards: 1st place vs the other three. Whichever side wins doubles whatever they ante.
I feel bad for Suarez getting shut down but if he didn't he runs away with this game easy. Lol
I dont like how you guys spoiled who wins right in the title o.0
Wow! Great game!
Jonathan killing Stephen, who's deck was basically spent, instead of Corey is a huge punt, its a baffling decision.
Jon had mostly artifact lands, Vandalblast would have just ended him
@@Nerveroxis *Entirely* Artifact Lands according to what he told Stephen as they were counting. He did play a Karn's Bastion next turn, but yeah, losing all his lands would have been bonkers.
E-Norn is not a complicated card at all lol c'mon man
Jeremy complaining about corey the whole time even tho he was the threat for most of the game kills me
jeremy always does that. corey lets him see the card and then he counters it. hes always making it seem like hes the victim
jon is *that* kind of player... i seeeeeee -_-
@28:20 people second hand salty about Corey's HI, but I would of done the exact same thing.
Always kill Jon first 😁 come on guys 🤣
Jon played some scummy games today
I agree plus on side note not just jon that does that they all do including Justin at one point or another some do it more often than the others
What's the deal with justin parnell?
Family issues going on still and from what I heard his podcast he yells why he hasn't been in and and says he may not return from what I heard but don't quote me
54 minutes in, wondering when corey will read displacer
May try out urtet but I will add a timeless lotus to make urtet lil more fun
nice
Bruh why is corey targeting Jonathan so much 😭
I'm a doer!!
who decided to put a spoiler for the game in the title of the video?!
What is the new noisy in the background?
I have been watching since before seasons and I struggled to watch this due to the noise giving me a headache sorry guys.
The irony of Corey stating he’s being ganged up on yet targets one player the whole game and exiles lands. His deck poops on Jon’s deck. LOLOL.
The commander format is not made more fun by the existence of elesh norn. It was a mistake to print that card.
I don't get Jonathan last attack at all. Eliminating Corey should've been his first target... after everything he suffered from him in the early game.
But welp \_(·_·)_/
Initial thoughts at the beginning of this is they are Playing ONE but no one is playing Toxic seems like a missed opportunity.
Wait until next week. 😉
A part of me wants to see a Jeska combo farm infinite points for commander casts
Guys please do another one with Atraxa :p
such a rough game for Jon
Your point system needs some rework or thinking I feel, it makes you all play around the points instead of playing the game naturally and optimally.
disagree it adds an extra layer of politics the goal is to win the season at the end
Points systems are the absolute best for long running Commander leagues. If you only ever focused on just winning you'd forget this format is supposed to be focused on a shared fun experience.
That’s the whole point of the show, if you don’t like it then don’t watch it
Been gone from the channel for a while. What happened to Justin?
Family health issues. It's unlikely he's coming back, but I hear he's doing his own thing these days.
@@markbrierley6367 im sad to hear that, but thank you for the update.
I wanted Corey to lose at first, but I'm glad the game ended this way
sorry fellas but this game is a huge snooze fest of who moves first.
Big mess up, the lands that enter tapped, dont enter tapped due to elesh norn
That is factually incorrect. . Those are not triggers. They are state based effects. Elesh norn only stops triggers.
"Enters tapped" doesn't trigger anything. "When X enters the battlefield, tap it" would.
Please keep this in mind as you read this; I am now subbed on two channels, I watch the show every week, I've played since alpha with only a break around OG Mirrodin, so I have stuck with this game, even through crap fiesta eras where NPE cards were all over the place (I ran Isshan's Shade in my Necro deck, back when he was considered "too good"), so, take this with a grain of salt, please.
I see this all the time here... Run Torpor Orb... Please? You all love value to such a nauseating extent that most of the decks revolve around ETB effects, it kills you guys more often than I think than any other type of effect. I am not saying to run Null Rod, but single target versatile removal and something to curb blink effects would go a long way to resolving issues that end up with people becoming archenemy by turn 5.
Assassin's Trophy
Mythos of Nethroi
Agonizing Remorse
Rapid Decay
Swords to Plowshares
Puterfy
Mortify
Bedevil
Are all removal off the top of my head that simply solve problems at instant speed, they are all 3 mana or less and, aside from Swords can hit more than one card type... I know single target removal is "a waste of a card slot" but so is needing to throw your cards into a meat grinder to kill someone because no one at the table had a Swiss Army knife, because they all brought bazookas.
I am dead broke to the point of selling cards to pay bills, so it's not like I have bought anything in the past few years, but there have to be other super versatile cards I did not mention, heck I can even send in a few of my deck lists circa M20 so you can update them to your liking, I'm an average player, maybe good(?) but due to health reasons I simply suck at focusing, so I make a lot of small mistakes, but I did win/2nd most of my games, back when I could think straight, so you guys may even have fun?
So yeah, that's my rant I guess. No matter what, thanks for your vids, it is one of the things that keep me of rock bottom. So, I honestly can't thank you guys enough for that.
Every game I watch with Corey, the more I dislike Corey. It seems like his entire goal of playing it to ensure others don't have fun and it is not enjoyable to watch.
Talk about an absolutely gross game lol
Third!
Stevens beard screams "i never want to have sex again"
Yes deck techs spliced in are wierd. Please go back to the old way. I miss the long intros before the game. If people dont like it they can skip them.
This is the second game with Elesh Norn I’ve watched (after the command zone) and it really is a miserable card. Neither of these games were fun in my opinion because Elesh just warps the game around itself.
I see your point but we also have a bias of wanting to be entertained by this game whereas if we sit at a table the fun may be in finding a creative solution to the problem which is more engaging.
How does urtet even come close to golos? And what’s wrong with golos anyways he shouldn’t have been banned in the first place
There are a lot of things wrong with Golos. He reduces commander tax to 1. He perfect fixes your mana situation for colorless from the command zone, even if you don't go grab World Tree. His 3 free spells per activation doesn't have a limit per turn or sorcery speed. He's 5 colors meaning you don't have to give anything up. He was the best commander for any deck regardless of what your deck's strategy was attempting to accomplish unless you're a two card combo with your commander and sometimes not even then.
Can we have a rule that Jeremy can’t play Triggers.Deck? It triggers me when he misses a bunch of triggers. He’s a big stompy kind of player
Too many counters
Also corey needs to stop playing garbage staxing overpowered decks in your pod
God I hate smug Corey so much
Eldrazi Displacer targets enter the battlefield tapped.
Worst music so far. Please stop putting it in. Seeing a lot of agreement in the comments for this episode.
Seems like Corey gets overly targeted in alot of these games.