'Tiffy' Naval Artificer (1952)
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2012
- Cracking 1950s documentary on various tiffy trades - ERA, EA, REA, etc. - in the Royal Navy.
Scenes include HMS Fisguard (stone frigate - artificer training), HMS Illustrious (aircraft carrier), HMS Roebuck (Type 15 A/S frigate), HMS Sanguine (S-class submarine), and HMS Hornet (stone frigate - coastal forces base).
Official British government film. Uploaded as "fair use." - Наука та технологія
Tires, brakes, struts, hyd. actuators, auto-pilot to actuator problems, hyd. pumps, oiling and greasing, sheet metal repairs and fabrication, Fiber glass and Kevlar repairs, wind screen and canopy polishing, painting, and corrosion removal and associated repairs and on several types of aircraft. I've been at for 50 years now. I just turned 70 and I'm still working , but for the US Coast Guard. 1 more year to go. Loved the video.
What a fantastic resource. My dad was RN 42-66 and a PO (Chief Yoeman of Signals). Wish he was here to watch it with me.
My wife was a Chief Yeoman (YNC) United States Navy. Including 3 and a 1/2 years at RAF West Ruislip near London. I was an USAF Technical Sergeant at RAF Chicksands when we met.
My father started his Naval career as an artificer apprentice in 1946 and ended it as a Lt Cdr in 1979, having served as chief flight deck engineer on HMS Victorious in the '60s. He also invented the Harrier Ski Jump. I loved hearing his stories - that scene of the men sleeping in their hammocks is something I immediately recognised (if you were slow to get up in the morning, you risked having the knot cast off at the foot end, sending you tumbling to the steel floor below!) My old Dad would have loved this film - sadly he died earlier this year, aged 89.
The last of the Old Salts. I hope he got a Naval sendoff.
@@Nighthawke70 Thank you - I'm glad to say he did. The service was conducted by a Naval chaplain; the Fleet Air Arm sent along a serving Lt Cdr, in uniform and a standard-bearer. His coffin was draped in the White Ensign with his cap and sword on top. It was very touching.
A brilliant bit of engineering and invention. Our best regards, your cousins from across the pond. 🇺🇸🇬🇧
i remember sleeping in a hammock,a very comfortable sleep.
That must of been cool listening to his stories now hes sailing the big ocean with perfect weather i thank your fammily for his service !!!
This documentary film brings back the nostalgic memories of my good old Indian Navy days. I am an Ex- Indian Navy Artificer.
Mohandas K Cool 😎
I had the good fortune of working alongside a R.N Artificer at Rosyth Royal Dockyard , Arthur Morrel he was a brilliant man , with a lot of Engineering experience , he once told of his time in the war in the MED , where there was a slight exchange between the R.N and the Italian navy , nothing really came of it. After a damage report that the ship had received a slight hit and one crew man was missing . When the ship went back into dock , the damaged deck part was cut away, replaced and lay on the dockside . After a couple of days people realised that there was something inside the damaged part, it was concluded that during the exchange of fire the seaman had made is way along the deck just as the shell hit the ship. it tore off the steel and wrapped him in . The strange thing Arthur said, was that there was not a mark found on the crewman , He had been killed instantly .
HE SPARED YOU THE GORY TRUTH.
Served in the engine room aboard Illustrious - A really happy ship back in the 1940's
I spent time on her successor in 2008. Not such a happy ship I am afraid to say. Though she did seem to improve by my second stint in 2012 near the ned of her life.
I really enjoy watching these old films, I was in Malta till 8 years old and still remember seeing the Great British Navy in the harbour. It was a good time, Rule Britannia.
I lived in Malta as well! We lived in Tigne Barracks which overlooked Sliema Harbour. How well I remember the Destroyers and Frigates etc steaming in & out of the harbour and the wonderful sight at night of the moored warships with all their illuminations out, and the reflections on the water. Our balcony was about 50 yards from the waters edge and we had a great view. Often slept out there on a hammock looking at the ships; the Battle, Daring, Weapon class Destroyers. Happy days.
I was in the US Navy and I was on 2 carriers, the Forrestal and Nimitz. I was an aircraft mechanic. Some things are recognizable and have not changed much.
My father joined the RN in 1939 and left in 1954 as a PO electrical artificer (crossed torpedoes on his sleeve).
I served aboard ILLUSTRIOUS when this training film was made. As an engine room rating it really brought back memories. Leaving ILLUSTRIOUS i joined Submarines - and that looks like Tally- Ho!
Surprised they still used hammocks in the 50s so I check Wikipedia and was amazed to see they continued long after that. Really stunned me that the daily rum ration persisted until 1970!
What were the aircraft in this film; were they Balliol trainers?
@@markstuckey6639 Hi Mark: In the title of the film you see the word "TIFFY". This refers to the Hawker "Typhoon" airplane.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Typhoon
@jack tarr Thank you. I stand corrected.
HMS Sanguine. S class sub.
My cousin got into the RAN in 41 by not disclosing that he was in a restricted occupation {Miller and Grinder} and was absolutely horrified when entering the engine room of a Corvette and seeing an ERA "sandpapering" the soft bearing metal of a con rod with emery cloth, a recipe for disaster believed only used by the French in the impounded Le Triomphant , a French destroyer whose crew did not really relish the thought of their Captain making a run for it and denying them the pleasures of living in Sydney for the duration.
Films such as this one should have been shown here in the US. As a Navy "brat" I had set my course early on for submarine duty. Other students had not a clue as to their course. The school curriculum in the 1960's geared towards engineers and homemakers. Thanks for this. Narragansett Bay
@Big Bill O'Reilly With parents who thought outside the cube it wasn't necessary. At home I learned all the domestic duties, appliance operations, sewing, and food prep and safety, home budgeting. Left me free for all the shop courses + oceanography and electronics. Submariners must be well rounded and able to learn all the other trades. No fear burning your fingers on that lite taper.
Enjoyable watching genuine films like this where hard work is shown
To think that this was all high tech state of the art. Hammocks and boilers. Tubes and knife switches. She was what, 10, 15 yrs old here? Looks like a Nelsonian frigate next to the QE. Thanks so much for posting this fascinating gem.
I joined Naval Artificer School in 1955 learnt Complex engineering functions reached pinnacle engineering level by my colleagues. Warship operational Challenges help us to achieve the status.
A fascinating look back into recent history, even though this is not that many years ago the changes that have occurred in the technology and operation of warships must be incredible, even though I didn’t serve in the Royal Navy I can say from my military experience from 1979-2003 that advances in all branches of the armed forces is beyond belief, as anybody who has or is serving will confirm, not one day goes by without a change of some degree. The military doesn’t change in leaps and bounds, it is a gradual but constant progression and before you know it some “new fangled” piece of equipment has been integrated seamlessly(usually), obviously sometimes that process is shortened but as a rule it is slow and steady. Thanks for sharing this interesting and informative documentary. 👍
Wonderful. My Father was in the Mighty 8th and was a POW in Germany. I never knew there was a position of an Artisfer! Very interesting!
This is fascinating from both film making and historical perspectives!
Not much changed when I was on the Coral Sea. Always thought highly of the Royal Navy.
Thank you sir for the very interesting video. I have never seen a doc film that showed the men who keep everything
going on board a Naval ship before.
A carrier is a small city. Back when Britain was still Great.
My uncle was an ERA on HMCS Bittersweet in the war. Belowdecks was not an enviable place to work while escorting convoys back and forth across the North Atlantic Ocean. He survived the war but it still took its toll.
Brilliant. Nice historic film about a world that has gone.
Don't worry it has not cone to far. The equipment has changed, the nomenclature is different but much happens in every Navy.
Many thanks for uploading the movie
752 Entry - pillow fights, static tank dives... memories
I LOVE OLD MOVIES.HE SERVED HIMSELF .14 YEARS ON A SUBMARINE AND 12 YEARS OF RADIO ENGINEERING SERVICE.
I should have done my national service as a Tiffy in 1956. Went in as a stoker. As I was a skilled Turner I ended up doing a Tiffy’s job on HMS Lynx on a stokers 7 shillings a day.
Great film, all came flooding back (except for the hammocks!). Sad loss when they did away with Tiffs.
Served in Illustrious when this film was made- Great ship- still in contact with shipmates after all these years- our motto on the ships crest "No Uncertain Sound"
Remember you old Illustrians coming onboard sometime between 82/84 reunion or commissioning.
Vox non inserta.///always remember it and I spent time (not much) on Illustrious but 4 yrs altogether on commishs on Eagle 1950s and never remeber her motto🤣
I have watched a lot of the ROYAL NAVY movies, it give me a feeling of what it was like serving during the war. My father was on the KG5 as a wine stewart s, and he was very fond of telling me ( when i was young ) that he served Sir Winston Church. Mr Churchill was a drink, of lots, and dad said ......YOUR A DRUNK....to which mr Churchill said......YES, I AM..
Churchill said he'd taken more good from drink than drink had taken from him.
And in the morning I shall be fine but you shall still be stupid.
The megger and the AVO at 22:36 were faithful instruments and I have still got them and they are still as faithful as ever. I much prefer the pointer rather than the digital numbers flickering in a modern multimeter.
They certainly were. And like you I prefer the pointer.
@@rictarr1101 I like both depending on the application. I've used digital and it was all wacked out on the reading and I've had analog that loaded the circuit so bad we couldn't get a good reading. They both have a job to do in modern electronics and using the right meter for the job makes all the difference. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
We lived in fear of dropping the thing. Threats of hanging etc. from the chief.
I miss my Simpson 260, we went to the pushbutton digital multimeter w/no auto-ran ging in the late 70's at Ships Intermediate Maintenance Activity in San Diego, use an old Fluke 189 now.
I loved how they lit the boilers with a little match!
My dad would have bern on that somewhere he was an airframe fitter on Fireflys. I buried him with his HMS ILLUSTRIOUS cap band
Perfect weather makes it all look easy.
My thoughts entirely. No holding your oppos plate while he ate in this movie.
Working as an instrument artificer in the sixties and later in a steam power station a lot of this looks pretty familiar. By 1952 the navy would have shrunk considerably from its size during the war years.
Oh happy days, sort of!, thanks for posting this shipmate
That was a very interesting video. Thanks for posting.
No mention of HMS Collingwood ... as a kiwi I was there for three years. AND loved it ...
THESE films are gold. Keep em coming.
26:26 beating in a cotter pin with a pair of pliers since 1952, priceless
Interesting and important job.
Always been fascinated by the MTB's.
What a great film! My dad was an Aircraft Artificer, first in the RAF (RAF Halton, 35th Entry before WW2) then he was transferred to the RN and then the RCN in 1952. He lived all this! CPO Austin 'Chuck' Green, RIP.
I believe the British Royal Navy was the only major sea power during WW II
that elected to use armored landing decks on their carriers. Of course the added
weight meant they had a smaller aircraft compliment.
I don't think any Royal Navy Carrier was sunk due to horizontal or Dive bombing from enemy aircraft.
I haven't researched this, but I reckon 'Tin - Fish' did for most of our carriers!...
Although the Americans experimented with ship launched aircraft as far back as 1910, and various navies launched aircraft from converted battleships including the British, Americans, French and Japanese, by 1918 the Royal Navy had the first modern "flat-top" aircraft carrier, with arrester cables and hooks on the aircraft. HMS Argus was the first carrier capable of launching and recovering naval aircraft. By 1952, England and many other navies had refined carrier operations.
Fisgard didn't change much. Looked almost identical in 1982 when I joined. We had a 40th reunion this year, but weren't allowed to visit what is left of the accommodation blocks as they are now condemned. Very sad.
801 Griff Tiff. Sad day when Fisgard shut.
Fascinating film. My father was an Aircraft Artificer, served on Furious during the Pedestal convoy, Dasher during Operation Torch and Glory in the Pacific..he witnessed the Japanese surrender ceremony on Glory's flight deck. He continued in the Fleet Air Arm as an AEO, retired as a Lt Cdr, and interestingly was also a Divisional Officer at Fisguard in the early 1960s..Grenville, I think. He recently died just short of 100..I wish he could have seen this film..he'd have loved it. Thanks for posting it.
Outstanding film!!!!
Good to see Raleigh hasn't changed the decor lately
Been there and done it all on that great ship. Fond Memories
I love all the old cloth cap covers and the jaunty angle caps were worn then. 👍
30 revs, ahead on one shaft, singled up, alongside, doing sea checks.
EXCITING. Young Sub Lieutenant on the throttle, watching something else while slowly turning up the revs. Chuckle.
@jack tarr HMAS HOBART. DDG 1972
Excellent...
HMS Illustrious! She was a legend during the big war.
I remember pillow fights at HMS Fisgard but it was outside and between divisions so maybe 200 apprentices and water hoses too so those pillows got a bit heavy . Happy Days.
Back when the Royal Navy sailors got their daily tot of rum. lol
Should bring back the the grog ration.
Was sodomy and the lash there too per Churchill?
Ah, nostalgia! And I wasn't even born when this film was made.
Wow! My great granddad was a cheif electrical artificer and this is so interesting
Every job is important on the vessel, every function has its responsibility, however, in my opinion, the Gally with the Master Chef has a huge influence on the Crew's moral. Hence, besides others, this branch is the most important work station on every vessel.
I agree with you, Felix...you are a smart man! (Signed: Master Chief John S., (Cook & Baker) U.S. Navy (Ret.) 1963-1986
Why Patton had field kitchens moving forward with his main force.
atmed forces move on the content of their stomach, amateurs debate tactics and strategies professionals debate logistics and resupply schemes. a hungry soldier/sailor/pilot... with no ammunition, clothing... is useless or even a liability.
I used to work with a chap, Frank Evans, served on Sanguine during the 50s.
As Winston Churchill said Artificers are kings amongst men and masters of improvisation.
Or as someone else said, you can always tell a Tiff........just not very much.
23:19 Most important time of day of an Artificer on Her Majesty's Ship.......UP SPIRITS!!!!
I thought that was for everyone, Artificers or otherwise.
My Dad served on a US carrier, as a Royal Navy liaison during the Korean war. In fact he was shot down, not quite crash landed on the beach, and was rescued by a helicopter before he and his navigator were captured.
His cabin on the carrier had a Navy Flag painted on it, and they installed a mini bar. He didn't have the heart to tell then he was teetotal at sea. Alcohol made him seasick!!
He was quite popular 😅
Funny seeing the old Kitchener gear on that boat at the end
The father of the mezzo soprano Sarah Connolly was in the Fleet Air Arm.
Most important branch...for the men..that is easy..The Wrens ;)
I was never sure if I had to salute them and generally didn't, until it was made abundantly clear by a Wren commander that perhaps I should re-think that one and start by saluting every form of life which was superior to me, and to start with the worms.
the ERAs,EARs{in Indian Navy) ,EAPs & ShipWrights r very important for a ship to move out to sea.Without their intelligence n skill even a Captain who is from non tec.branch cannot sail a war ship.Tks to uploader in UA-cam.
A friend of mine served on HMS Illustrious just after this was made - we buried him yesterday unfortunately.
god bless him
What happened to him if I may ask?
chrismc410 he died of Cancer - Nearly 90, so not a bad innings. 👍
My dad was on illustrious sometime in the fifties, also many other ships. (1952-62) He was trained at Ganges. He passed away this year he was 86. He had dementia also had asbestosis supposedly caused by asbestos on the ships. Said they dried their clothes on hot piped that had the stuff on them.
Russell Waters as the Chief. Great character actor.
I remember something like this happening at HMS Raleigh pillow fights,good times
Sounds like Jack Hawkins narrating this. As he starred in the best ever naval war film I suppose that is appropriate!
the naval counter pane on the bed seen in the trng establishment , the one with the navy hook , i had one on my bed in the sgts mess at Scarborough bk in osnabruck Germany in 78
28:24 what a great score that is!
Ahhh… good old steam pipes coated with white asbestos! Happy days.
Great non-flammable insulator, I doubt you forgot but other might.
Harmless, too, unless you eat it or sand it.
@@thomascolbert2687 Well, or set it on fire.
Yea i was in from 1981 to 1986 and went on 3 west packs and went through 1 dry dock, I'm now 59 and have smoked since I was 14. I quit Dec 2nd 2019 cold turkey. No cancer yet thank the Lord! But I been around those asbestos covered pipes a hell of a lot!
@@thomascolbert2687 Or break them open!
interesting to get the British perspective even way back when.
Great. Dear Partners.
I suppose the highly technical navy and the air arm are among the most glamorous, but the ordinary army truck driver or mechanic was just as necessary too though you don't hear so much about them, ya know, like subaltern Elizabeth Windsor and all the rest.
Lack of safety gear, eye glasses gloves Etc is shocking
Likewise to my fellow Mobi. And it was a sad day when someone decided we were over-trained.
the monster is woken by a single match!
Proude to be an artificer.
At 8:26 the scene cuts from the jolly, affable tars at breakfast to the absolute silence of the officer's mess, Financial times, humph.
Jolly good show old chap and pass the pink gin eh what
Captain and senior officers would have been public school educated "upper" class, bet the forces haven't changed much in that respect. 1000 years and we're still ruled by the buggers.
@@paulsmith4448 It is virtually impossible to get a proper Pink Gin in a pub these days: no Angostura Bitters, you see. What is the world coming to?
Chippies @ 13.00. What a toss.
All on machines making big pieces of wood even smaller.
Got to love 'em.
Used to say whilst engineers work to the nearest thousandth of an inch Chippies work to the nearest dockyard!
I can never ever remember a chippy going to report to an officer and saluting with a pencil behind his ear.
I thought one didn't salute indoors, in the field or at sea unless symbolically or actually under arms and acting as a sentry.
Hi there Kit - so, up until a month ago you were still alive - well done. Hope you're keeping well. I'm about to take early retirement (again) for the third time. Only the wife keeps spending my all money!
Fond memories of a superp time in my life.
Feel free to get in touch.
Regards
Jan Carey
I served Indian Navy as EAA (electric aviation artificer) class A-126.
Great. Old days
Hii sir
Class A151
I have a copy of 'Four Fives - ERA goes to sea' how can I get a copy to you to post on your excellent site?
Stone Frigate! I love it! 😁
Those hammocks actually look like they were comfortable-better than a rack. With a little wave action rocking you (plus working 16 hours) you probably slept in a near coma.
I can vouch for the comfort of hammocks, shame they were dispensed with and the tot was stopped on the 31st July 1970 whilst I was serving on HMS Hermes and shortly before she was converted to helo and VTOL aircraft.
She has just been scrapped by the INS after being sold to them in the 80's
@@davidjfraser Awesome hearing from a veteran that actually used them. What was the problem with hammocks? It would seem if they were more comfortable and could be easily stowed away when not in use that more space could be used and available. I also read about how the Royal Navy officially did away with the 'grog' ration around 1980 or so.(?) I did Army-hindsight being 20/20 I wished I'd gone US Navy instead. Old salty sailors are a lot that I seem to always get along with. I like the fact that instead of just being cannon fodder sailors are really technicians first and foremost. Thanks for your service-I met quite of few of your countrymen while stationed in Germany and had a great night one time sharing drinks with them.
My cousin served as a fitter and turner on a Destroyer in the RAN. Is that similiar to the Artificiar shown in film ? Thanks.
Amazing how complex and yet how primitive he technology was - and not so long ago...
lol... no eye protection , ear muffs , or ppe anywhere !! just have some rum if you get wounded !
When men were men ...
@@stuartofblyth And went def after a few years....
filmed ashore at the old mtb base at Gosport
HMS Hornet
I guessed it was Hornet, up Haslar Creek. Surprised to see the boat diving so close inshore what I assumed to be Southsea Front.
>navy film
>first scene is a bunch of men in pyjamas having a pillow fight
you couldn't make it up
Who's in charge of the golden rivet?
I can remember translating the Fisguard motto as "No two double deckers were tied up with string" - well we were only 17 years old! Memories from an airy fairy! BTW the caps were referred to as "gosses".
Served on hms leander great ships company, 9 months in Icelandic cod war in mid 70s was cold but the cod was good👍
Sea Fury and Tempest by the looks of things.
mirimar69 I would suggest Fairey Firefly (the one with the scoop under the chin and a lot of glass behind the cockpit) their are no Sea Furies as these had five bladed props. I would suggest a Supermarine Seafire. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Fireflies and Seafires.
Pillow fights, how old were they. We spent until about 12 every night cleaning the bloc for morming inspections, and they would still find specks on the floor.
We missed the Captains flag and being the best company in boot camp because we missed the part of the chalkboard that holds the chalk! It was dusty!
Gee, this almost makes ya wanna join the navy and become a boat dude. :0)
Question to all: What aircraft were these landing on the HMS Illustrious?
They are most probably Fairey Firefly’s. Another possibility is the Fairey Fulmar, it looks similar to the Firefly, but this is less likely since they were not in service in 1950 when it looks like this film was made. The Firefly was in service till the mid fifties.
Definitely Fireflies.
6:02 I was a stoker late 50s and don't remember stokers wearing their caps down boiler rooms or other machinery spaces.
No caps including on submarine. No one wears caps on a sub esp when looking through a periscope.
I remember them days. Seems so dated now though.