Five times stronger than steel: Japan's new 'wood' | Nikkei Film
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2023
- As a part of its efforts to decarbonize, Yamaha Motor Company has started using wood-derived cellulose nanofibers (CNF) in place of some plastic parts in its watercraft. The company began selling the products in North America on Aug. 25. CNF, which the company says is five times stronger than steel, is a next-generation material developed in Japan.
Nikkei took a behind-the-scenes look at how Yamaha succeeded in bringing the CNF products to market, taking advantage of Japan's unique position as the "Land of Wood."
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There's nothing new here. Ford did similar back in the 1900s, only to be crushed by the steel moguls of the time. He was utilizing hemp fibers to make car body parts. The stuff was so strong, light, and durable that the steel industry saw a big threat to their potential market. The whole thing went into oblivion.
The people who cannot be criticised that own DuPont and some of the oil companies didn't like it, as well as those same people in the pharma industry. Hemp was a multi-industry threat and is to this day. Cotton as well.
fiberglass is another obvious composite. cellulose nanofibers though are another cup of tea.
true, but only japan has the initiative to make it happen.
you are so correct.
I think the model t steering wheel was made from soy
It's ironic that the theme of this video is a reduction of CO2 and plastic waste yet the product focussed upon is a small part for a machine which has no practical value other than for the amusement of the owner.
It’s the beginning..
Not all boaters are leisure boaters. Some fish to feed their families.
@@barthanson3043 The 'personal watercraft' featured is hardly ideal for any kind of fishing.
You’re missing the point. The new lighter and stronger material can be used on cars, aircraft and electronic devices to make them more fuel efficient. This is only the beginning, it’s just testing, basically.
@@Jin88866 You are missing my point- Yamaha are producing what is really a toy, which is adding to CO2 emissions by burning fossil fuel. Agreed, the new material has the potential for a lot of beneficial uses, I just don't think this example is one of them.
I can't wait for my nano cellulose pie
yaaaaaaaaa-umie!
You may have had one already 😢
They should try hemp cellulose fibers
Excellent idea!
There is no HEMP PLANTANTION enough in JAPAN dude!!!
But HEMP is one of the strongest celulose fibers and the easy to obtain (if legally permitted).
The HEMP PLANT is the world must efficient vegetal growth cultivation in terms of weight/square meters mass production AND in TIME, because in sunny areas of the world HEMP can produce to the "commercial harvest" 4 to 5 crops per year!!!
And one curiosity, the historic larger producer of HEMP was the USA government during the II WW, but that time the "production" was mainly to craft ropes to the US NAVY ships all made of HEMP due this fast production characteristics mentioned ABOVE!!!
Or linen.
Hemp has been the answer for this environmental shit show we have found ourselves for decades . But due to corruption and political red tape they will drag there feet until its too little too late.
They'll stop working and order takeout and listen to Jimi Hendrix. Lots of Hendrix San!
This is all a bit confusing: "five times as strong as steel" presumably means "five times as strong as the same weight of steel". But that would make it as strong as carbon fiber. Carbon fiber is around forty times as strong as the same weight as cellulose fiber by some comparisons I've seen so I'm missing something here.
Click bait exaggeration, perhaps?
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Here...nano cellulose fiber. But it can destroys ecosystem with over plantation like this :
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Why would anyone compare them by weight? If you have need to make a car door, it is the size and shape you'll look at. Wood is much, much lighter than steel at the same size.
@@CaptainSnackbeardI find your question really, really odd: weight considerations are hugely important in engineering. Not just in the totally obvious fields like aerospace but for cars, boats, bicycles, sports equipment, musical instruments, architectural materials, military equipment... anything that moves or regularly has to be lifted in fact. I'm building a carbon fiber sailing vessel myself and keeping it as lightweight as possible is critical to its success.
@@chrisgrill6302 weight is important, still secondary to form in most applications. You can't make humans smaller or larger to suit forms, and engineering is (usually) about serving humans somehow.
Presumably your boat can't be made 5x or 40x smaller / larger so you can achieve some ideal weight. For example unless you have some kind of hydrofoil thing going on, then without a long keel it doesn't matter how light you make it, it won't go as fast a because of displacement/hull speed limitations.
As to the comparison, Carbon fiber is expensive, difficult to work with, is human made, and creates waste. Wood is cheap, grows all over, is easy to work with, and is itself a carbon sink.
Including wood fibers in plastic was known and used in the 1960s that i know personally. I suspect it was in use many years before.
Thank you for sharing this news and also thanks to these brands for investing in change. We are past awareness and now need to start and spread using materials like this.
So we replace plastic with…more plastic. But this time we’ve cut down a bunch of trees to mix in…
Yes keep moving forward
Resin composites are difficult to recycle. Also breathing in fibres is not healthy let alone nano-fibres.
I agree; more widespread use would only result in these used and discarded composites becoming waste pollution. How bio-degradable would such a resilient compound be?
@@raeh5355 It did show something about them being melted down and re-sued. I say show because I think it was text.
But recycling doesn't work. Nobody does that.
Cellulose. Biodegradable. Doesn't need to be recycled. Non-toxic. But maybe don't eat it either. 1/1000th of your weight is already microplastics. How's that working for you?
@@subcitizen2012Has there been studies showing that micro plastics are harmful to a human body?
Let's go Japan! 👏👏👏
I just see another type of plastic or resin but it will have a longer time in nature and wildlife.
That is an interesting material. If it makes it into automotive products, it's future will be bright.
It reminds me of the first digital products that were expensive and not reliable. Now they are in everything and everywhere. You have to start small and grow. Maybe this will help with less plastics. I am sure other plants could be used as well like hemp that are faster growing.
Yes hemp is one of the fast growing plants and can be utilized for severel things like cloths, plastic. And others. I still don’t understand why is not being used.
This report is 5 times longer than it needs to be.
I would like to see this content to be recycled ♻️
Lololol
Its stronger than magnesium alloys. Wow.
Doubtful
Very nice presentation as usual, but this time I subscribed
It's a non structural part. It's purely aesthetic. Why not remove the part entirely.
If you were introducing a new material wouldn't you do it on a non critical system so you can see how it performs in the real world?
You want mud bikes without mudguards?💩
5 x stronger than steel
20% the weight
Im sure it will be used in a structural part
Let’s take fenders off of cars, too, eh?!
That was my first thought, but it does give the material real world exposure/testing without being a critical component.
Building panels with sheets of CNF-polymer composites with aerogel cores would be cool af
Fact: Writing "HIGH OUTPUT" on something gives it high output.
At 10:10, I notice that the Kuril Islands are included in the map of parts of Japan that are forested. The Soviets occupied them at the end of WW2 and refused to leave. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute
Sounds like what rebar with cement is to concrete, cellulose NF is for polyethylene.
Obvious use case would be body armour
At some point Mercedes did biodegradable wiring in their cars, ask the owners about the issues...
So just give up because someone else got it wrong?...lol.
IMO something that lasts for generations is more environmentally friendly that something that has to be replaced often because of planned obsolescence.
@@neamtialinWhere's your documentation on this supposed occurrence?
@@neamtialin You're completely right. Our society has completely lost track of what is actually the main cause of our garbage and pollution issues: consumerism.
Anderson Windows has been using wood nano-fibers for years trademarked "Fibrex". Light, strong and rigid and long lasting.
Hemp could replace "cellulose nano-fibers", plus has plastics substrates.
This is great. How many forest are there in Japan. This material will revolutionize manufacturing.
I don’t understand how C02 from plastic production will triple by 2050, which is the net zero year and plastic use is already going down
I always knew Yamaha makes the best bang for the buck music equipment, that's when I worked 2 summers reconfiguring music equipment packaging for Christmas and New Year in B. C. Canada Yamaha Factory Warehouse. I'm a certified marine technician now and look forward to purchasing these products 😊❤. Thanks Cheers
It's not bc. It's PC for Pacific columbia
there is no comparison to main competitors like carbon fibre, or carbon nanotubes.
what is the strength, cost, weight differences.
I'm also very confused by this. "Five times as strong as steel" - I'm assuming for the same weight - is the same as claimed for carbon fiber. But cellulose fibers are nowhere near as strong as carbon fiber. So the whole thing sounds fishy to me and they have made a long video which totally avoids explaining what we really want to know. I daresay these cellulose fibers are plenty strong enough to make this jetski part though, I don't doubt that part.
The video could be improved by comparing CNF with materials of similar price. We already know that CNF is stronger than plastic, but since it's expensive, it would be helpful to compare it with other high-priced materials like carbon fiber or metal alloys. This way, we can better understand its value and how it competes with those materials in terms of performance.
Long overdue.
This is more about making materials more local and affordable. While still charging the same or more. Climate change is being sideline as the cause.
And someone is being gaslighted.
make parts for expensive machines, like missiles. Lighter than the metal part. Stronger.
Wood alcohol was used to make bakelite. I wonder if it could help this.
ありがとう - Arigatō
What’s the carbon footprint of making the resin?
I can argue with a 100 reasons why this is a not as big a deal as it is being made out to be. Hemp fiber is infused with epoxy resin also and is very strong. Plastics and resins are still needed in lesser amounts may be. And this decarbonization gimmick is a hoax.
It really isn't that big of a deal, but it's renewable, lighter and stronger. Japan doesn't have huge tracts of open land to grow your hemp either. Also, the decarbonization myth itself is a myth. If you were one of their consultants you'd be fired.
@@subcitizen2012 I don’t subscribe to the environmental hypocrisy. I am not saying Japan should grow hemp. The part that was being made and was glorified in the video is insignificant in its function and it won’t have any positive impact on the environment. I regard Japan very highly and was surprised to such meritocracy from such a large reputed company. Show us something truly remarkable, not something so lame that is embarrassing.
@@subcitizen2012 to be fair, hemp grows more fibre per m² soil than wood, so it is more efficient than a forest. Not to speak about the more frequent harvests.
Great to see Yamaha innovating - hopefully the attitude will rub off on their motorcycle division as after the incredible reinvention just over ten years ago from the launch of the mt09, in the last 3 or 4 years they have been a little too cautious. How does this cellulose material compare to alloys used in bike frames, handlebars for strength and weight? Get some in the bike and maybe improve handling at the same time by introducing better controlled flexibility rather than total rigidity.
Seems the cost compares to carbon fiber is a good indication...if not stronger.
The big problem to use CNF on car body is just it's higher resistance to deformation, in a car crash it matters that the kinetic energy of the impact it will NOT be absorb by the car SO the slowdown impact on the passenger BODY will be MUCH HIGHER!!!
SO using the CNF body on a JETSKY make much SENSE as the driver in a accident will be ejected to the water... NO HARM DONE...
But the design of the 3D printable components can easily be made shock-absorbing.
@@danielwalther5841
I think you are proposing to make an void internal structure to make the material to better schock-absorving BUT as a rigid material it can absorb better AND remain higher resistant to deformation? Or crumble?
I don't know, but IF possible to achieve the correct balance may be a solution to SEEK...
I agree with you...
Great invention but where is the electric wawerunner?
If it's possible to get it from bamboo might be even better. Also I think the public need to be informed how to handle CNF polymers so it gets recycled properly. I doubt it can be dumped along with common high density plastics.
We have to be creative to survive. We have no where to run to. We need more good creative minds.
We will not survive in this conditions, humans are by definition a virus.
Yamaha makes superfine products.
Its Rigidity is 5 times than Steel. It is lighter than Steel or Alu 16%, please confirm?! It is lighter than 25% compares to Normal Plastic!!. It can be recycled again.! But how many Recycle Times warranty?! Interesting. Good luck to everyone.🎉❤😮🤔🤗😘🌏🌎🌍🎉
頑張れ🎌
What I would do please put opposite rotation bamboo
I wonder if they could do this with industrial hemp? Some locations 3 crops per year and 1 acre of hemp removes more Co2 then 19 acres of trees. Hemp may be more profitable and sustainable
My headstone might say; Every solution by humans creates new problems.
It is like Sweden's "super steel" no one can afford it
I'm surprised they aren't using hemp, much easier and cheaper to grow and harvest.
So this is like a recyclable carbon fibre. or a closer to graphene alternative
So what was going on when we had high temps and the same issues before plastics and cars and whatever else is deemed monsters.
Japan rediscovers Bakelite
Japan should sell the technology to the US. That is the only way to make it viable for commercialization.
isnt bamboo a better option
I agree that bamboo and hemp are better and more sustainable. Let the trees soak up C02 like they are doing now.
Canapa viva pregiata risorsa.
MUST BE EXPENSIVE.. if its not cheapers than plastic then ........it can't help
As others have written, the message of the video is undercut by highlighting the use of the material in recreational watercraft, which do serious ecological damage and should be restricted.
Is this not the same material that Ford made in 1931 using Henp olants?
So is the whole watercraft made from it or just that small piece on the engine?
Just the new 25% lighter engine cover. This is a rather in-depth exploration of a somewhat mundane, but apparently somewhat novel composite material. I don't know. It's an odd little film. Injection molded fiber reinforced composites are certainly not new, but it's interesting to get a rather in-depth look at this hyper specific variant that someone apparently thinks is really important.
The CNF is compounded in as a filler. The carrier, in this case polypropylene (PP) is a hydrocarbon. So what sort of environmental savings is that? And don’t forget; you’ll need to cut down trees to make your CNF. The only advantage that I see here is that it has lower density over traditional mineral fillers in plastics
Henry Ford once made a car from Hemp,so what's new!!
Overall, I like this idea, but I don't like the part about adding CNF to food.
-And will the toilet be able to flush, or will we get new problems with "floaters" ?
Keep the sawdust out of my bread please….
Plastic containing cellulose nanofibers? So it's not 100% CNF then?
Perfect,salute to the gentle and hardworking and dedicated Japanese people.
Too bad couldn't mass produce this product. Sounds like it would be great for the trucking industry, lightweight, strong, durable would make a great trailer and truck frame
Let me guess, the production is too expensive, but we are working to improve it?
No wonder NHK turned off their comments section! So many know-it-all, “couch professors”.
How about bicycles or electric bike. If using cellulose nanofiber may apply to cars, I just hope the Japanese research Company will also come out with bicycles. I remember Panasonic bicycle.
😮🎉❤So, NFC can be used as Ink for 3D Printing Applications.!!! Good luck to everyone.🌏🌎🌍
we know 670 Ha is very small in the world of forestry
Where are all the brownies
Ya make the engine fail sooner and the heater last way longer than the car .
It would be excellent to take that technology to Sweden 👍
Why aren't they using bamboo or hemp fibers which grow much faster than trees?
Worth reposting:
Someone's Comment:
"It's ironic that the theme of this video is a reduction of CO2 and plastic waste yet the product focussed upon is a small part for a machine which has no practical value other than for the amusement of the owner."
Someone's Reply:
"It's ironic that the theme of this comment is to mock the efforts in reducing CO2 emissions while only focusing on a small part of the video, rendering the comment of no practical value other than the amusement of the owner."
My comment:
Yamaha's motive is not primarily to reduce the petroleum-based materials and thus CO2 emissions. That's a significant issue, but won't play out big until much later (and even still, obviously, won't make a huge dent towards global warming). Yamaha for a long time has been quite good at making money by producing superior products that the public decides are worth paying for. And, inching towards more sustainable industry, is moving in the right direction. Trust them not to be as foolish as some random commenter.
"personal watercraft" had me rolling. They can't use "Jet Ski" cause of reasons from industry...
Edit> After watching the whole thing: They claim the environmental issues, but they do not mention that steel is the most ecologically correct if you think about it. It is 100% recyclable and IT IS CHEAPER.
Those CNF's are labor intensive and costly, no to mention the making processes that sounds like over complicated and EXPENSIVE. They do not mention the long term usage and wearing out about the components that might be harmful for your health.
Yeah, this will totally revolutionize the industry
And the resin used comes from oil. Meanwhile cutting down trees does not help removal of CO2
Rhe parte os very small. I hope ot will rase.
We call it Trex.
So instead of petroleum, we'll cut down trees? Doesn't it take about as long to grow a tree as it does for plastic to decompose?
If it is cellos Nano fibers you are looking for why not look into hemp? much shorter growth cycle, 6 months.
The conversion from tree to cellulose is both expensive and environmentally un-friendly due to the huge amount of nasty chemicals utilized to break down the tree fibers into Nano-cellulose. But it was interesting video thank you.
When you say 'stronger'.................
I enjoy watching / listening to your videos. I commute a couple of hours a day and will set up a playlist in the morning and listen to it throughout the day. When you have a foreign language speaker and just put subtitles under it, that part of the video is useless to me. I skip it. Sometimes I have time to catch it later in the evenings, but more generally, I just don't get to watch / listen to it. Dubbed over speech is a much better solution. Providing the actual foreign language does not make it more authentic. I have to trust your written translations. Please help.
In which failure modus ? All ? Which kind of strength ?
What happens to the co2 absorbed by the cnf?
It remains embedded in the plastic / CNF matrix. It this matrix is truly recyclable, as claimed, and the recycling process expands to add recycling of CNF composites, then the CO2 will stay in solid form (like it once was in coal, but likely in a less concentrated form)
@@gregparrott so it holds the co2, yet is recyclable, & the co2 becomes solid?
so does it just get bigger, or does it ooze dry ice?
@@Iowa599 The plastic is not holding 'CO2'. It is holding carbon in other, more complex chemical bonds than just carbon and oxygen. If you look at the chemical representation of petroleum products, like plastic, they primarily consist of carbon and hydrogen, normally, with a minimal presence of oxygen. In the process here, the tree captured the carbon dioxide. Through a process that's termed dissociation, it separated the carbon from the oxygen, released some of the oxygen into the air, but kept the carbon in order to make cellulose. That cellulose, as well as the plastic itself largely consist of carbon.
For that matter, gasoline consists mostly of carbon and hydrogen. When its burned, it combines with oxygen from the air to create CO2. The company here is using the natural process of plant to capture CO2 and then convert it into both carbon (in a solid or liquid form) and oxygen (in gaseous form)
CELLULOSE: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose
PLASTICS COMPOSITION: www.bpf.co.uk/plastipedia/how-is-plastic-made.aspx#:~:text=Plastics%20are%20high%20molecular%20weight,silicone%20hydrogel%20for%20optical%20lenses.
You mentioned 'dry ice'. Some companies market 'carbon capture' mechanisms which extract the carbon from gaseous CO2. Cooling air to an extremely low temperature in order to condense CO2 into a solid (i.e. dry ice') is one possible method. But I doubt that method is used because it likely requires far too much energy to be efficient. I am unfamiliar with what method they use, but here are some relevant links.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_air_capture
@@Iowa599 it came from tree, and tree get bigger because that's where the CO2 is solidified. 80% of a tree mass is CO2.
@@xponen the Nikkie film turns into a tree?
Good!
I am Bioengineer.
Cellulose nanofibers are what makes the Ancient Redwood trees grow to such huge heights and widths (enough for a tunnel to be carved through the trunk for a jeep to pass through and the tree still stands unscathed).
it's quite curious to see use of CNF in food products though. I'm very very extremely wary of nano tech and its effects in human body and ecology in general as we don't know what effects it'll have on systems they haven't evolved to process such stuff safely.
Assuming of course that Nature hasn't already made ubiquitous use of nanotech in structural fibres like nano cellulose already. Artificial nanotech though is another issue altogether.
naah they should try bamboo
I'll pass on the sawdust as a food additive, thanks.
my morning wood is stronger than steel.
Waiting with my katana😅
Co2 makes up .04% of our atmosphere.
Henry ford build a car out of hemp just before they converted his factory's into war plants
Any advance in this direction, is a huge 'Huzzah!' from me, and as more widgets* are made, it will get cheaper and a possibly virtuous cycle may kick in. I do have some questions. I know cellulose in trees is pretty safe, unless it falls on me, (and I can't remember if I'm to make a sound or not.), but how much safety testing has been done on nano-cellulose. It's like dealing with an entirely new material. Perhaps it will do irreparable damage to our lungs, for pure example. Also, I'm assuming, that something with, hopefully a ten year totally intact, structure retention, in a marine environment, isn't exactly biodegradable. (Hope, I'm wrong.) Recyclable? Is that kind of it? How clean is the process to make this stuff? Better than petroleum-plastic, I'd hope, as a bare minimum.
*That tiny widget, in a big piece of polluting cr*p, was embarrassing to make such a deal of, but Hey! Keep up the good work!
They say decarbonization over and over but they are using carbon in their solution. Great!!
No doubts opium and coca fibers are stronger than wood nano fibers most ppl likes