Got my RCR yesterday. I own 3 RMR HDs, 2 SROs, and an ACOG. I love the quality. I need to mount my RCR with a CH Precision plate. My slides do not have those two lugs. The small screws are too short. The longer screws do not fit the holes in the slide. I installed it right on the slide with the loctite they provide. As someone else reported in a video, mine came loose today after about 200 rounds.
Glad to see the Michigan boys putting out a quality American enclosed red dot. I'm gonna get one of these. Does this also have a segmented circle reticle option like the RMR HD?
Yes, dot, dot w/ segment, and a hybrid option where the dot is brighter or the segment is brighter. Edit: I was wrong; currently, the segmented circle is only for the HD model.
@@_Mr.Sush_ Thanks for the information bro. A youtuber named Honest Outlaw did a very extensive torture test on this optic and it easily passed. Didn't even lose zero. Glad to see Trijicon doing what they do best--building a literally bomb proof optic. I have had such good experiences with my personally owned RMR that I knew immediately this would be even more durable than that. It's a more complete forged housing so obviously it will be. I'm so glad it mounts to the RMR footprint. Gonna get my G17 milled and mount one of these asap.
That mounting system is gonna break screws for sure. They lost me with one having only a the red dot reticle. Does anyone use only a dot anymore now that we have like 3-4 other reticles available that are faster and easier to use? Circle dot seems to be more popular and faster, bit there's a few newer reticles that outperform a basic 3.5 MOA dot every day of the week.
The trijicon pistol optics are really good but the weakest point was always them being held in by only two smal screws. I don't see how it make sense to keep that mounting system but making the screws harder to tighten and weakening the head.
The RMR mount should have been ditched for pistols. Something like the aimpoint acro mount is ideal. Having two screws drilled into an area usually filled with critical parts is just not good design.
@@86keen Well, as a gunsmith people come to me when their screws brake off and needs milling out. I see quite a few. I have never seen an Acro fly off except for when the screws holding the mos plate snaps off.
What happens if you lose the card or the included wrench? Do other wrenches flex the same as the provided one? I hope the aftermarket finds a better solution for torquing these down.
Not over thinking. If you had much experience un/installing many RDS' over the years, you'd know there is a bit of voodoo involved with any of them--from Leupold to Holosun, Aimpoint, and/or Trij.
They should update the video about the mounting screws. Contacted their support about the different size screws and they are only sending the short 6-32 screws with the RCR and the FN 6-40 screws. I would definitely like a long screw for the left side since they only go in a couple of threads like they were designed for a mounting plate.
I've got a Brownells slide that's cut for the RMR but it has the screw holes built up into bosses instead of just starting flush with the rest of the optic cut. Will the RCR work with that setup or am I out of luck?
@@poortac5568 have you tried this? I didn't know if you could start above the post. Start threading the one screw into the post, then stop. The optic is basically sitting flush with top of post. This would leave you enough room to start the other screw into the opposite post. The only thing is, if you start screwing them both in, the top of the proprietary screws may hit the top of the post essentially being maxed out and the optic not sitting all the way down on the slide. If that makes sense. Shit I'm confusing myself when I read that
@@willr4880 the slides with post (Zev cuts) mean you have to use a thinner, proprietary screw, that doesn’t have the holes like these screws do. Trijicon will have to make proprietary thinner screws, if there is any chance of them working. All other Zev cut screws need screwed in from the top, so the optic body would get in the way of your screwdriver/allen key. Even if Trijicon made thinner screws, It doesnt look like there would be enough room for their proprietary screw head above the Zev cut post. I could be wrong though.
"Hey what's the torque specs and measurements for these screws?" "Uhh bendy curvy metal thing?" Fucking amazing work Trijicon, your catching up to Springfield Arsenals heat treating inspectors circa 1903.
so if you lose that allen key you're screwed right because other allen keys might not be the same material even if they are the same size right? or is there some type of standard? its a cool idea and make good use of the trash allen key lol
@@mohammedalnahyan4604 If they were going by military standardization they would’ve designed something for the Deltapoint Pro footprint, which is what the military has already settled on for the M17/18. This is pride
Not really, the ACRO has had somewhat slow adoption because of the footprint. Makes sense to offer something that fits the most common footprint (that’s also Trijicon), thereby gaining a competitive advantage over those that don’t. This will probably overtake the ACRO due to the footprint. Although personally I wish the entire industry would just adopt the RMSC footprint, it’s the only one that’s feasible for all optic types (closed emitter, slim slides, etc.)
My only complaint is, once the optic is seated, it has that tiny tiny wiggle room. So if u want to remove the optic for a reason, and u reseat it, u have to make sure the optic is at the proper wiggle room angle before u tighten or ur zero is off by a bit
Are you going to pull an ACRO, and have them always out of stock 2years after “release”????? If you release them, please have them actually available…..please. (Not just to guntubers)
Can you imagine overtorquing and stripping these screws because you received an allen key with a weird heat treat? Your $700 optic would be permanently attached to your equally expensive slide.
I have the same concern, i was pretty turned off with the goofy mounting system. I would rather stick with my torque wrench rather than a flimsy allen key!
Good quality and features but good lord optics prices always get me... Almost 9 beans for these sounds insane given the gun you put it on is essentially the same cosst 😅😅
I've been using a Holosun EPS Carry Red 6MOA on my EDC Shield Plus for almost a year. They have the EPS (Full-size RMR footprint) & EPS Carry (Micro RMSc footprint) models in green, red, 2MOA, 6MOA and MRS versions. Great optic for ~$300.
@@da4944 I think the solution here is pretty obvious. Get more expensive guns! When you put a $900 optic on a $4,000 gun, suddenly the optic feels like a bargain!
Why can’t all optics just pic one mounting option so in the future Pistol manufactures can all get behind one design and have it included in the slide.
Because being limited by mounting solution hinders innovation of the optic itself. There's a reason keymod and mlok were invented despite the standardized picatinny rail were a commonplace, it's why we have so many different USB standards that for all the pain it is to keep up, does improve from its predecessor over time.
@@swiftaudi There's a lot that goes into it. Part of it is innovation, as the other guy said, part of it is economics, as limiting the potential optics choices for any given mounting footprint reduces competition. Think of it like micro-usb vs. usb-type-c, compared to lightning connectors vs. usb-type-c. Micro usb was a limiting factor and the market needed a better solution, therefore usb-type-c was invented. That's a positive move away from universal compatibility. Apple's lightning connector is proprietary and provides no benefits over usb-type-c, therefore it's a negative move away from universal compatibility. In an ideal world, perhaps a (mostly) unbiased regulatory agency would restrict the negative instances, like the EU is attempting to do with banning lightning connectors and requiring removable batteries in phones. But you'd have to be willing to trust those decisions would be for the good of the market.
@@KeterMalkuth I think the acro footprint is what all optics should use. Every single pistol red dot on the market could utilize it and then pistol manufactures can all adopt one setup like how rifles mount optics.
@@swiftaudi I don't necessarily disagree, the ACRO cut is likely best suited to the role. But I don't think we'll see such a widespread adoption without standardization throughout the U.S. military or even NATO.
@@zyanjojola Yep $650 at primary arms and trex arms, no mounting plates needed if you already have the rmr cut, worth it imo. Solid upgrade from a holosun.
Do your engineers shoot? The front windows is too deep it’s going to collect whatever I fall into sand, mud whatever. Then when the slide returns it’s going to throw it in the open chamber with the bullet.
@@thejoatmoo You do realize when the slide goes all the way back and slams, whatever is in the optic will also slam back and potentially bounce forward. An object in motion stays in motion.
Using the hex key as a deflecting beam wrench is a nifty idea.
Can’t wait for this to be back ordered for the next 3 years.
@@Mangoré1885Absolutely.
Man y'all are such whiners it's insane. Would you rather it not exist at all?
@blackout.ghost718 they'll do anything including "just as good" cope all day
Almost a year later backordered everywhere still.
@@j.taveras8447 boohoo
Well it's about time!
We don’t want a half assed product!
Finally got an enclosed! I'm looking forward to seeing this and eventually trying it out.
Got my RCR yesterday. I own 3 RMR HDs, 2 SROs, and an ACOG. I love the quality. I need to mount my RCR with a CH Precision plate. My slides do not have those two lugs. The small screws are too short. The longer screws do not fit the holes in the slide. I installed it right on the slide with the loctite they provide. As someone else reported in a video, mine came loose today after about 200 rounds.
Thank you Trijicon. Good things come to those who wait.
Very excited about this one
Glad to see the Michigan boys putting out a quality American enclosed red dot. I'm gonna get one of these. Does this also have a segmented circle reticle option like the RMR HD?
Yes, dot, dot w/ segment, and a hybrid option where the dot is brighter or the segment is brighter.
Edit: I was wrong; currently, the segmented circle is only for the HD model.
@@_Mr.Sush_ Thanks for the information bro. A youtuber named Honest Outlaw did a very extensive torture test on this optic and it easily passed. Didn't even lose zero. Glad to see Trijicon doing what they do best--building a literally bomb proof optic.
I have had such good experiences with my personally owned RMR that I knew immediately this would be even more durable than that. It's a more complete forged housing so obviously it will be. I'm so glad it mounts to the RMR footprint. Gonna get my G17 milled and mount one of these asap.
It does not have a segmented circle like the RMR HD. Only dot for RCR
@@AngryPorkWonton Aww, bummer that seems to be correct. Hopefully, thats just an initial release thing.
Love my ACOG and my rmr, great products!
Nice. Only 5 yrs behind the competition. Can’t wait for the next three yrs worth of seeing “back ordered”.
That mounting system is gonna break screws for sure. They lost me with one having only a the red dot reticle. Does anyone use only a dot anymore now that we have like 3-4 other reticles available that are faster and easier to use? Circle dot seems to be more popular and faster, bit there's a few newer reticles that outperform a basic 3.5 MOA dot every day of the week.
@@nyfeaxy 🤔🧠
@@brassmuleI prefer a plain old dot.
Only wannabes use anything other than the dot.
@@brassmulewho actually uses the other reticles
Just bought my rcr. Its going on top of my p320 x five slide with strike industries smc bravo chassis. Cant wait to try it out.
Super awesome!
The trijicon pistol optics are really good but the weakest point was always them being held in by only two smal screws. I don't see how it make sense to keep that mounting system but making the screws harder to tighten and weakening the head.
It’s already been torture tested to hell and it works.
The RMR mount should have been ditched for pistols. Something like the aimpoint acro mount is ideal. Having two screws drilled into an area usually filled with critical parts is just not good design.
I’ve never had any more my RMR screws break off
@@86keen Well, as a gunsmith people come to me when their screws brake off and needs milling out. I see quite a few.
I have never seen an Acro fly off except for when the screws holding the mos plate snaps off.
Awesome !
Will these fit onto Zev style cuts?
Nope
@@thejoatmoo Someone will make them if it’s physically possible
What happens if you lose the card or the included wrench? Do other wrenches flex the same as the provided one? I hope the aftermarket finds a better solution for torquing these down.
You’re way overthinking this holy shit it’s a screw
Not over thinking. If you had much experience un/installing many RDS' over the years, you'd know there is a bit of voodoo involved with any of them--from Leupold to Holosun, Aimpoint, and/or Trij.
Fix-It Stix RDS torque bit
just don't lose it... problem solved
@@Pishadoo42It's the screw that keeps your optic on target, I think you're underthinking it.
Now I need a micro version for my p365 macro
There have been people reporting the screws coming loose? What is your answer to this? Is it A design flaw? Or is it simply in proper torque?
They should update the video about the mounting screws. Contacted their support about the different size screws and they are only sending the short 6-32 screws with the RCR and the FN 6-40 screws. I would definitely like a long screw for the left side since they only go in a couple of threads like they were designed for a mounting plate.
I just bought an RCR but I'm missing the torque assist card
What if you have zev post for your rmr mount.
@trijicon
I've got a Brownells slide that's cut for the RMR but it has the screw holes built up into bosses instead of just starting flush with the rest of the optic cut. Will the RCR work with that setup or am I out of luck?
You probably already figured out the answer, but for everyone else, we're out of luck. My Brownells slide will have to remain open emitter for now😂
@@Buletspunge555 Bummer.
This optic is a non starter due to its horrid mounting setup.
This WILL eclipse the Acro
I was going to pick one up today buthave an issue with the mounting screw thread not compatible with the psa sabre threads super disappointing.
Why the use of locktite for the capstan screws rather than the usual nylok fasteners?
Is the going to work with rmr slides that have threaded post instead of flat holes? Would be great if i dont have to buy a new slide.
No, the post will block the screw from sliding into the recess.
@@poortac5568 have you tried this? I didn't know if you could start above the post. Start threading the one screw into the post, then stop. The optic is basically sitting flush with top of post. This would leave you enough room to start the other screw into the opposite post. The only thing is, if you start screwing them both in, the top of the proprietary screws may hit the top of the post essentially being maxed out and the optic not sitting all the way down on the slide. If that makes sense. Shit I'm confusing myself when I read that
@@poortac5568 have you tried it?
@@willr4880 the slides with post (Zev cuts) mean you have to use a thinner, proprietary screw, that doesn’t have the holes like these screws do. Trijicon will have to make proprietary thinner screws, if there is any chance of them working. All other Zev cut screws need screwed in from the top, so the optic body would get in the way of your screwdriver/allen key. Even if Trijicon made thinner screws, It doesnt look like there would be enough room for their proprietary screw head above the Zev cut post. I could be wrong though.
@@poortac5568 I agree.
I'm just here for all the upcoming comments about "I cross threaded my capstan screw what do I do now?"
Im sure they will sell new ones for $25 😂
"Hey what's the torque specs and measurements for these screws?" "Uhh bendy curvy metal thing?"
Fucking amazing work Trijicon, your catching up to Springfield Arsenals heat treating inspectors circa 1903.
Oof.
Mate as someone who worked with boomers that's just 25inlbs, git gud kid
It's no different than a beam style torque wrench.
so if you lose that allen key you're screwed right because other allen keys might not be the same material even if they are the same size right? or is there some type of standard? its a cool idea and make good use of the trash allen key lol
With how long it took to create, I'm sure this thing is a TANK. Good things take time.
Does it fit the shadows systems ??
Finally!! Still need suppressor height sights or did we get a low deck for carry sights?
Same deck height as the RMR
I may have one of those in for review?
when will Trijcon finally go green the best company should never be playing catchup but always innovating
So you don't use a mounting plate for Glock MOS?
Wouldn't it have been more efficient just to incorporate the ACRO mounting method?
Yes, yes it would have. But it’s Trijicon, what’d you expect?
@michaelpratt3142 when it comes to Western armament, it's essential to have some sort of standardization. That's a key aspect within NATO
@@mohammedalnahyan4604 If they were going by military standardization they would’ve designed something for the Deltapoint Pro footprint, which is what the military has already settled on for the M17/18. This is pride
@rudukai13 if pride came after selling their millionth ACOG then I don't blame them
Not really, the ACRO has had somewhat slow adoption because of the footprint. Makes sense to offer something that fits the most common footprint (that’s also Trijicon), thereby gaining a competitive advantage over those that don’t. This will probably overtake the ACRO due to the footprint. Although personally I wish the entire industry would just adopt the RMSC footprint, it’s the only one that’s feasible for all optic types (closed emitter, slim slides, etc.)
No blue loc tite?
My only complaint is, once the optic is seated, it has that tiny tiny wiggle room. So if u want to remove the optic for a reason, and u reseat it, u have to make sure the optic is at the proper wiggle room angle before u tighten or ur zero is off by a bit
You should always rezero your optic when it's been removed
Hmm I’ll take this over an acro for sure
Are you going to pull an ACRO, and have them always out of stock 2years after “release”?????
If you release them, please have them actually available…..please.
(Not just to guntubers)
Price drop yet?
Green 2 moa dot when?
Been waiting 11 days for screws to mount it to an M&P 2.0. Very disappointed in the customer support for this.
Bet this will not work on the 6-40 threads for SIG rmr factory cuts that SIG is now using
Can you imagine overtorquing and stripping these screws because you received an allen key with a weird heat treat? Your $700 optic would be permanently attached to your equally expensive slide.
I have the same concern, i was pretty turned off with the goofy mounting system. I would rather stick with my torque wrench rather than a flimsy allen key!
Good quality and features but good lord optics prices always get me... Almost 9 beans for these sounds insane given the gun you put it on is essentially the same cosst 😅😅
I've been using a Holosun EPS Carry Red 6MOA on my EDC Shield Plus for almost a year. They have the EPS (Full-size RMR footprint) & EPS Carry (Micro RMSc footprint) models in green, red, 2MOA, 6MOA and MRS versions. Great optic for ~$300.
@@da4944the eps is not a RMR it's a modified RMSC footprint
@@da4944 I think the solution here is pretty obvious. Get more expensive guns! When you put a $900 optic on a $4,000 gun, suddenly the optic feels like a bargain!
They retail for around $650
@@da4944same i have an eps. It’s so clear that i was actually surprised. Can’t beat it for $550 less👍🏽
Stick with my 509t
The CCP thanks you.
I only use trijicon!
Why can’t all optics just pic one mounting option so in the future Pistol manufactures can all get behind one design and have it included in the slide.
Because being limited by mounting solution hinders innovation of the optic itself. There's a reason keymod and mlok were invented despite the standardized picatinny rail were a commonplace, it's why we have so many different USB standards that for all the pain it is to keep up, does improve from its predecessor over time.
@@aaron4820 Sure keep believing that.
@@swiftaudi There's a lot that goes into it. Part of it is innovation, as the other guy said, part of it is economics, as limiting the potential optics choices for any given mounting footprint reduces competition. Think of it like micro-usb vs. usb-type-c, compared to lightning connectors vs. usb-type-c. Micro usb was a limiting factor and the market needed a better solution, therefore usb-type-c was invented. That's a positive move away from universal compatibility. Apple's lightning connector is proprietary and provides no benefits over usb-type-c, therefore it's a negative move away from universal compatibility. In an ideal world, perhaps a (mostly) unbiased regulatory agency would restrict the negative instances, like the EU is attempting to do with banning lightning connectors and requiring removable batteries in phones. But you'd have to be willing to trust those decisions would be for the good of the market.
@@KeterMalkuth I think the acro footprint is what all optics should use. Every single pistol red dot on the market could utilize it and then pistol manufactures can all adopt one setup like how rifles mount optics.
@@swiftaudi I don't necessarily disagree, the ACRO cut is likely best suited to the role. But I don't think we'll see such a widespread adoption without standardization throughout the U.S. military or even NATO.
Does anyone else think the window looks smaller than a regular RMR.?
Well worth the dollars to get a duty rated American made product.
I love my RMR, but these prices are crazy
650 street price. Doesn’t seem too bad.
@@zyanjojola Yep $650 at primary arms and trex arms, no mounting plates needed if you already have the rmr cut, worth it imo. Solid upgrade from a holosun.
The type 2 RMR 3.25 moa MSRP is $731 so not that much different for msrp
@@zyanjojola not bad, just not sure what the value-add over Holosun is anymore besides patriotism.
Now we wait for it to flood the market
Do your engineers shoot? The front windows is too deep it’s going to collect whatever I fall into sand, mud whatever. Then when the slide returns it’s going to throw it in the open chamber with the bullet.
@@thejoatmoo You do realize when the slide goes all the way back and slams, whatever is in the optic will also slam back and potentially bounce forward. An object in motion stays in motion.
Sounds like the engineers understand physics a lot better than you
I'd still rather go with holosun 🤷🏽♂️
The CCP appreciates it.
"Clockwise" = counter-clockwise perhaps?
I hope this doesn’t cost a grand
Almost
No need for loctite?😊
well i have titanium allen keys that dont flex sooo...
... Use the one that comes with the optic.
@@danielsimpson5994 well that is awefully nice of them to include one!
Wtf is this mounting system.....be interested in seeing some rough testing
Ugh why did you have to make it so ugly? I’m sure it works great though.
Love trijicon but damn lol this is dumb.
It'll take you 3 days to tighten down your mounting screws. What a stupid mounting design.
Your MRO is garbage!! But the rmr is good
Too bad it’s gonna be 7000$ 😢
640 but close
Will it fit on a Staccato CS?