Are Electric Motor Swaps the Future of Tuning? | WheelHouse
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2019
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Tesla and other EV companies are starting to phase the internal combustion engine out of existence! The truth is we all love our fuel-burning engines, but as tech progresses it's becoming more accessible to tinker with electric motors. So is the electric motor the real future of hot rodding and tuning?
WheelHouse answers all the questions about the automotive world you never thought to ask. Nolan Sykes looks at the history, sociology and psychology behind the cars you love, and the features you might overlook.
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Be honest, would you ever consider doing an electric-swap build? I think an electric NA Miata would be pretty sick.
Donut Media Working on a Tesla swapped Ford Excursion.
NO it wouldn't
I think they are part of the future..
"NA Miata" Didnt know you could turbo an electric 🤔🤷♂️
I will never give up the sound of a powerful motor, I love the supercharger whine and turbo spooling too much to give it up for an electric motor
Imagine an electric powered DeLorean, now that will be awesome
Anythign is better than a shitty renault motor.
Some guy has a recreation controlled by an RC remote, but it still has stock drivetrain...
There is one already. It was even driven by Matt Farah.
I'm pretty sure EV West in San Diego was working to convert one when the fully charged channel visited them in the Spring.
I know of at least two. DMC in Texas actually made one about 8 years ago and dentist converted his to electric. Both were DC, DMC used lithium, the dentists used PbA. I believe the latter is considering converting it to AC which would be a good move IMHO.
Electric motors with a manual transmission?! I'm sold.
Clell Biggs that’s what I was thinking. It’s also impossible to stall lol
I agree if more electric cars had a manual transmission I would definitely consider getting one
If you’re fine with sacrificing range, sure. Which is like, something people complain a lot about. The poor range.
exactly my dream
@@Appletank8 It doesn't sacrifice range because you could just leave it in third and it would act like a regular electric car
How’s James doing I almost cried a little reading his post
I heard he has to take time off
Hold up, what post where?
Z4G oh his ig he had a heart attack
@@trill-taco Oh shit, mans been drinking too much NOS Damn. I hope he is doing fine now, thats insane.
@@jackwahlgrenelev611 I think its time for Donut Media to invest in a workout room, couple hours of running and lifting weights every week or something. Buff James > Buff horses.
I always reminded of RC cars in terms of electric vs. Nitro. Once the brushless' start coming out, everyone started doing electric conversions.
I finally found the perfect enemy for the PriuSRT8
Btw, Donut, please make a video about the PriuSRT8
They did...
Oh wait no it was Jay Leno xD
I'd actually had that thought a few years ago when I had a high-mileage Prius (have since sold it and went back to my VW Bug). Would be really fun to rip out the stock drivetrain and do a full-electric conversion, with truly insane power, thinking like that of a Tesla Model S P100D. But look 100% stock inside and outside, the only noticeable difference is that it's actually quieter than stock (that engine was actually sort of rough and noisy) ... until you put your foot down. Take this "bone stock" Prius to the drag strip and break some hearts. Ultimate sleeper.
If you would like to see one being converted, go to the electric classic car UA-cam channel. They are a local business to me and do that kind of thing with totalled Tesla’s
1:48 Richard Hammond: I'm out...
Hammond "I'm boutta head out"
_flies of cliff_
Hey leave Hammond alone
Me who laughed at him flying
Hammond: hey this car is kinda futuristic, I wonder if it could fly!
In all honesty, Hammond's awesome,
. Does anyone know when the next season of grand tour is coming out?
That Rimac just fucks off😂
0:26, miss that kitchen, Science Garage and Bart.
JayXJ ugh ikr miss that dude
@Bob My problem with this is not the video. My problem with this is that I now have this thing on my internet search history.
Before this vid I thought Electric Manuals was a thing of my dreams
And just because you didn't notice about Mustang Lithium.
honestly I don't mind the idea of an electric motor with a manual transmission you can still shift
This, and if they can convert more classic cars to electric. I enjoy driving a manual, and I don't like the look of Tesla's. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind driving an EV.
I like the whining of the VW IDR race car, so I think an electric motor that makes noise with a manual gearbox would actually be great
If people stop complaining about the short range, sure. Because a transmission is going to eat away like 5 to 10 percent or so.
And it wouldn’t stall.
YESSSSSS exactly and still having solid axles for a truck
I personally love the sound of an engine and the rumble.
I love to have a choice to kill the planet, it's America. Its my choice. Lmao. Wait for teslas to have a simulated engine sound. Newer cars do the same thing using speakers already anyway.
you stick to your soy-mobiles let the real car people drive REAL cars not toy RC cars
@@befer cringy millenial
@@befer are you disabled. Speakers making engine sounds. NiBBa you trippin
@@lamardavis6061 facts
Why do companies advertise “home safety cameras” on channels like Donut?
If I’m not mistaken the majority of the people who watch donate are young (so we don’t own homes)
Ikr, even if some do own a home, they'd probably spend their income on their car, not on home security....
And ppl who spends alot of money on their car can feel abit insecure where they park their car even on their on driveway. Makes sense to advertise security cams
@@0163844098 that's actually a fair point. Well maybe I'll end up buying it.
I dont own a home, I rent. and I have an 8 channel HD security system here with cloud and streaming to my phone. I wouldnt buy Ring, it's way overpriced. You can buy a whole system for the price of Ring. Ring is for idiots who dont know how to plug a Cat5 cable into the back of an NVR.
We bought our house at 24 and have security cameras. Z stays on the garage and the 540 sits in the driveway.
I loved the "Premium Electrons Only" bit they did
But no CCS1 fast charging. With the range though, this is more of a weekend car just like it would be with a petrol engine.
IF YOU CAN READ THIS JAMES WE LOVE YOU AND HOPE YOU GET BETTER SOON!!! MO POWAH BEBEH!!!!!
Very interesting! Glad to have more options when thinking about a project build.
That instant torque and being able to charge/fill it up at home, is a big plus.
Petrol companies definitely hate that concept, due to the loss of revenue for them.
Dear me, this Fiat is incredible beautiful!
Some of this episode reminded me of science garage. Will science garage ever return Donut?
Doubt it since Bart left the team.
@@tyler9703 really? Is he going to have his own show or is it dead?
@@tyler9703 noooo...
@@tyler9703 no!!!!
@@evilconcarne5560 I thought he was on paternity leave?!?!
Electric RC cars have been around for a long time. It took such a long time to make their full size,high performance cousins.Batteries were the primary constraint.
Ans they still are. EV's would be even more awesome if they'd be lighter and charge faster or be cheaper to produce or more sustainable for the environment to create. Those are all because of batteries. The technology will take huge steps in the near future hopefully and then we'll see probably EV's getting mainstream
Batteries still are the biggest issue, not enough lithium on this planet to power all the vehicles. We haven't had a battery breakthrough in decades, every time someone thinks they have something it turns out to either be too expensive to mass produce or too volatile for everyday use. I converted nitro powered RC trucks to brushless electric years ago, but I don't see it being something popular for passenger vehicles for many years.
@@shonntl batteries by design need to degrade. They will always deteriorate. Ill stick to my nitro rc and turbo v8 thanks.
The first time I drove an RC car back in the 80s I knew we would eventually have electric cars and that they would outperform gas ones.
@@shonntl LOL batteries have been consistently getting better and cheaper for decades.
I love this, it answered most of my questions about doing an electric swap!!
I converted a 1992 NA Miata to electric. I think it's pretty cool. The head of Donut knows about my conversion.
all the best Pumphrey and be back with even more #hrsprs
LIGHTNING
LIGHTNING
LIGHTNING
LIGHTNING
MOAR POWA BABY
Mo pawa bebeh
Hoping he comes back stronger than a buff horse
Let's do a everything you need 2 know about James pumphery also get better soon james
That would actually be really cool.
0:01 When people think every word with an "S" added to it needs an apostrophe.
Ferrari swapped Toyota is
This is a fantastic interview and it’s cool to see the current and impending future of car fab / conversion and tuner work.
I've met this mans father!
Unfortunately he'd gone a little mad after working in Area 51 studying alien technology for the Government.
???
@@cwdrsch if you know, you know ;)
It’s a longshot, but I can’t help but wonder if you are referencing the scientist from Independence Day movie with Will Smith?
@@lewisgeer5830 that's it... It was a stretch but I caught it also
First time that thing has been reliable in decades.
@O(∩_∩)O SURE, and I am the Pope.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this had me rolling on the floor laughing.
Fix it again Tony!
My father owns a 92 FIAT Panda. That old car is indestructible, unlike modern junk.
@@user-bv9rr4jp8k untill you crash...
I figured this was coming and thankfully someone is doing it. An older lightweight car that is now an e-car would really be amazing to have. Thank you for sharing this with us.
This is one of Nolan's best episodes. Keep up the good work!
Yo get well soon James we love you
You could lose your health, quarter mile at a time
The future is in hybrid technology. Diesel engine up front and a petrol engine in the back.
nah fam
MAYBE diesel and electric since you can make diesel out of basically anything. But the idea is to phase out petrol....so...no.
@@aaronbrock4049 no the idea is to phase out fossil fuel in general o would say petrol and electric hybrid is the best setup
It is going to depend on upcoming battery technology, as if electron storage becomes significantly better, there is little use in carrying around dino juice (and the added weight) as your energy supply.
As is, the few consumer electric cars available are close enough to their gas counterparts. When they start to exceed, that is when electric will really take off.
@@quintessenceSL the problem is that physics wise a new element or power source has to be found and used to make these batteries exceed petrol cars. Petrol and diesel have a higher energy density than lithium ion batteries and any other battery for that matter hence why we are still using the good dino juice. Electric cars will only take off if governments force it which they are.
Thoughts and prayers are with James! You guys have one of the most entertaining channels in the car community, and I can’t wait until you’re doing well enough to get back too it!
Love this video, would love to see more electric swaps!
The technical director is the crazy scientist dude from Independence day! 😂😂😂
"Electric cars are beating some of the best gas supercars on the line"
*Shows race between Tesla and Mustang*
Nolan, come on, come... Come on, Nolan, come on, Nolan. Cuh... Come on.
That is honestly the stupidest example ever. You know when they're trying to be controversial. When they pull BS like that.
Teslas regularly beat Hellcats of that makes you feel better
A tesla can beat a lambo hope that will calm you down
Gerry E for 50 grand more, yes. Tesla’s are still ridiculously expensive for their performance.
A regular mustang ain’t no supercar unless it’s the Shelby GT500. But I do agree Tesla’s speed is comparable with some but not all supercar. A Hypercar in the other hand like Bugatti, Pagani, and koenigsegg can definitely outrun any Tesla at the moment .
We started doing this to remote control cars/trucks about 15 or so years ago when brushless (AC) systems and lipo cells were entering the market but no decent electric kits/chassis, particularly in 1/8th scale, were available.
So many benefits to doing the conversion: instant power; quick acceleration; less mechanical components (no need for brakes/clutch/transmission/etc); clean and easy maintenance; and more importantly for me, quiet and no exhaust so can play anytime and anywhere, even indoors.
Speaking of power, one of my rigs has a brushless system rated at 120A and I power it with 6S lipos (25V fully charged), so that's 3kW of power or 4hp. That's plenty for an RC weighing about 12lbs. It may sound like it would be hard to control, but most ESC (e speed controller) are programmable so you basically have launch control and ABS (via the motor).
I would like to do this in real scale.
THIS IS AWESOME ! makes me more excited for the future of cars
Get well soon james!
Nolan's video: subtle, smooth
Dad's video: loud, mow powaa baby
this looks absolutelly sick!! It's the first time i've ever been excited with anything electric. I want to do it on my car so bad now!!!
Its nice to get info on the motors, most electric car vids just talk about the batteries
I pray James a fast recovery 🙏🙏❤️
I remember the first time 10 years ago seeing a brushless RC car do a standing backflip. And instantly knew this was the future of power.
Love the 124. I had a 1985 Pininfarina Spider 2000. Black ext Tan int. Loved it
The spokesperson for Electric GT was very informative, thanks for having him, it's a really interesting topic, that I too needed some more information on.
4:45 - That's 3 moving parts buddy. 2 bearings and the shaft
@Lo Value actually no, an EM has about as many moving parts as a classic distributor. its a rotor connected to the bearings and uses the magnetic forces of the poles around it to power it. no more replacing headgaskets :D
My 2 cents:
1. I like the sound of internal combustion a lot!
2. I would rather have options for gas stations instead of what my electric company feels like charging for electricity (besides I don't have a Slushie machine in my garage...yet)
3. Pretty sure electric cars will be very fast, very soon and I don't care. I like the sound of a V8, see #1.
4. I would rather wrench on a regular vehicle than 400-600 watts and hundreds of amps (DC not AC, big difference). I have been shocked by 240 ~30amps AC, 3/10 would not recommend.
" I would rather have options for gas stations instead of what my electric company feels like charging for electricity". You know, whenever there is an EV video, it's a competition to see who can make the dumbest comment, typically based of the pathetic level of STEM education in American schools.
It cost less than a third on electricity over gas , regardless of what price you get for shitty ethanol-spiked gas. Instead, you'd rather be OPEC's bitch and bend over every fillup and send US soldiers to die to keep gas "cheap".
Do electricity rates shoot up every holiday weekend? Does a war in Dumfukistan cause electricity rates to shoot up overnight?
Two cents doesn't buy anything any more. I have no doubt you have been shocked by sticking your tongue in a 240V outlet.
@@truantray What is your point exactly? That I am dumb because I have a differing opinion than yours?
You still haven't addressed the issue of sound and I really don't mind buying gas for my V8 even if it isn't "cheap".
I will gladly acknowledge my shortcomings, the electric vehicle has it's advantages, it's disadvantages but how about you?
Do you think electricity costs are the same everywhere? How about if there is no other fuel competition, what incentive do they have to keep it "cheap"?
That "shitty ethanol-spiked gas" has made some very impressive and fast E-85 vehicles due to the higher resistance to pinging, at a lower price per gallon (albeit the fuel is expended faster).
My point is there are two sides to every story. There is no free lunch. You seem like a passionate person okleydokley, don't let that blind you. And what do you have to gain from insulting me about something I freely admit? Here is the rest of the story: at the end of a 13 1/2 hour manual labor job when I was ~15yo I accidentally put a staple from an all metal staple gun into a run of 240 that wasn't visible. It could have easily killed me, just as some mechanic could kill themselves on these extremely powerful and dangerous battery packs.
If you have any other concerns you know where to find me, please do some reflecting and just have a good day friend.
Usually when you tinker with an electric car, you can completely disconnect the batteries from the rest of the vehicle, so getting shocked isn’t a big risk. You can also wear gloves to electrically isolate your hands, to minimize the risk of shock even more.
Wheelhouse just gets better and better.
James has been a key role in my days since this channel started , I dream to meet him one day and I hope he gets well soon so that I keep the dream alive!!!
I'd totally swap my 400 SBC from my Impala for a electric motor. Also sendin mad love to Dustin and hope he recovers fast!
An car with an electric motor, a manual transmission, and rear-wheel drive.
Me: It's free real estate.
This is so cool! Love the motor to trans conversion
I have a 71 Datsun 521 and really looking forward on doing this.
You guys forgot the zombie 222 electric mustang, now that's an EV restomod
How could they forget
Yes, I'm gona dip all my old beaters & swap to electric as soon as motors are available like Samsung phones....
tw06le1 so in 100 years
Magna will be selling crate motors in 2 yrs.
@IAmNotPeaceful batteries is the one thing I'd not put that much money on anyways.
I'd love to build an EV for recreational use, like a project car, but batteries are one of the most expensive things to figure out.
I'd probably build a tray and make the batteries as easy to upgrade as possible as they are the biggest problem in EV development and will most likely enhance so much in the near future that it's not just worth putting too much money on it.
As for a project car I'd want it to be light and agile and therefore it's okay if the battery packs are small. I don't need my project cars to drive across country anyways.
I'm in love with this
Best wishes to our guy. Get well soon!
I would love it if *Elon Musk* commented on this masterpiece
That's one wasted Ferrari right there, Enzo would turn around in his grave if he knew what was going on here.
@@jordikorthals003your reply is irrelevant to this comment lol make your own comment
The FerrMan
Elon is a lier so...
He’ll make some dumb claim about it.
@@yaboirico5221 irrelevant? I commented to this comment. What's so irrelevant about of?😂
Jordi Korthals I agree
If he had to do a classic car he could do something else
And I swear if he makes an electric Countach
I will be very triggered
It really excites me that you can keep the stick shift
Nice presentation Brock.
I'll say, I think my mind is significantly more open than it used to be about EVs. I always thought I'd have to make extra investments (Vroom box specifically) if I got an EV. Now that I know if you EV swap motors, you actually can have sound. That really opens my eyes in the right way. Thanks for putting this video up so I could know about this.
Get well soon James :(
I didn't know that electric cars kept there gears, this video makes me want to mabyr e swap my car
Aaron Esau soo true m8 it made me happy when I saw him changing gears and the electric motors for sure are less Heavy
you can keep the transmision for ease of instalation but the main benefit is that it will increase the range as the engine on the front will be spinning less (less rpm=more range).
Yep, I can totally see a day in the near future where you can just buy adapter for common transmissions off the shelf.
you keep the gears if your torque is not massive. Can't put a Tesla Engine with 600 torques in a 1.2l gearbox
@@JoeUrbanYYC me too, although I don't like the EV, there is doubt than they'll conquer the market as they are objectively better (subjectively i like better a good vroom vroom machine)
Bro James is my favorite 😭😭😭 get better soon James!!! We love you buddy
That 2002 looks like it will be amazing with the batteries weight balanced like that. I never knew you could do a manual transmission, I would love to have something like this someday :)
Electric car is like a ninja, silent and quick. Deadly in the quarter mile
Or a silent fart, quick and deadly.
@@ANDREWSAMY562 oh my god 😂
How is a ninja quick in the quarter mile?
@@A__AMC_Javelin Naruto run bro. Give a ninja a mile he'll reach light speed.
"80% is related to the internal combustion" ...there are more wires for turn-signals on my car than go anywhere near the engine.
Their Hands grow from right place. Their minds are in another level. Respect
The guy that made the white zombie works at the same company as me. It's NWHS and we service crown forklifts. He literally took old Brushed Crown PE motors and put them in his car. At this point everything else is custom or conversion specific kits, lithium cells, custom charger.
With newer scrap trucks coming in, I'm sometimes tempted to take an AC motor out of a Crown FC or SC. The only problem is I'd need a new motor controller and build a lithium pack. The Crown controller does not like it when everything else is disconnected, and it's speed and power limited.
4:56:
So inside here are several Poles. The controller excites these Poles. Good to know that Polish people make motors work
So Polish people are magnetic, huh? I guess they attracted multiple foreign invaders in the past, HA HA! ( I definetivly think this was a terrible joke, and also if anyone Polish stumblles upon this comment, then I will be happy, cuz I'm Hungarian :) ).
"the new coop" I didn't know tesla made henhouses
Just like Jeremy Clarkson says. It's irritating to see Americans say Coop instead of Coupe.
Feke It’s irritating to hear the English say “bonnet” and “boot”. Do they not know the basic anatomical structure of a human? The bonnet is superior to the boots, not anterior.
@@jonathankeith524 lol you should then check latest James May's videos and check how he calls those
@@jonathankeith524 two different things. What I'm irritated by is pronunciation not the fact that it's a different word. Tbh when communicating online I use the term hood over bonnet. But Coop is where chickens are kept...
Feke I see where you’re coming from. To be honest, usually only young Americans say “coop”. Most Americans that I know just say “two-door”. For instance, I have a two-door Mustang fastback.
Button-up Nolan is one of the best Nolans.
Praying for James🖤 hoping he’s back soon but also that he recovers as fully as possible and takes the time he needs to gain MOE POWA BAYBEEE!
Electric cars just need to make a cool sound to get everybody on board
@ZROSTARS honestly, yeah
Have you ever watched a Formula E race before?
@@kylesoler4139 No. Are there any street cars that sound like race cars?
@@kylesoler4139 still a meh
And a bass-heavy vibration from rpm going thru the chassis and heavy, tangible controls. Even modern performance petrol cars can feel sterile, let alone electric.
I definitely wouldn't mind electric swaps. My main concern is definitely still reliability and the life of the batteries. Hopefully those concerns will be put to rest in the future.
I love how nolan is getting his mind blown in the shop :D
HAPPY DONUT NOVEMBER!!
I want a Citroen DS ev conversion. That be a great candidate because the engine isn't memorable on it only the design is iconic. Be eco and 0-60 in 4+ seconds!
Agreed, a lot of cars fall into that category. Great body, not so great engine.
I was planning on swapping Toyota Hilux before I even saw this video
I'm happy you made this video. I've been wondering how to keep classic cars if electric becomes the future.
Two words: Synthetic fuel, this could also work
I cannot wait to do this with a motorcycle. Been planning it for awhile.
"Technology is getting better and cheaper" rolls footage of a Tesla driving itself down a one way, going the wrong way.
"Fastest gas super cars" shows mustang getting beat by a Tesla lmao
"Future is now kids"
Okay boomer
@NoNoNoNii lmfao calm down
@NoNoNoNii take a breath Hitler
NoNoNoNii
Do you even meme bro?
@NoNoNoNii need a chillpill?
@NoNoNoNii hey hot head
I just love how few moving parts there are!
Cool! A manual electric car would be really neat to own! I didn't even know they existed yet.
EV is the future of cars... but internal combustion engines will never go Away
Yep, the ice is the "fun one" XD.
unless they get banned, as many countries are planning.
@@truantray
You can not simply ban historic cars, just wait 25 to 30 years and your ice is legally allowed to drive as a rolling (actually good sounding) museum piece ;D.
You can buy oldtimers right now and daily drive them without a problem.
@@truantray They can plan a lot of things but that doesn't mean it would be a feasible plan or an environmentally friendly one.
@@mandernachluca3774 My car already is over 30 years old and I daily drive them. All my cars are that age or older. It's not a museum piece if it's running! The banning is only on selling new cars with internal combustion. Old ones can still run.
I'd love to have that Fiat with an electric motor lol
Get better James! We love you! LIGHTNING! LIGHTNING! LIGHTNING!
GET BETTER SOON JAMES!!!
its interesting how pple give a hard time to electric companies that jus strted nd are already killing it and comparing them to regular cars that have been around and have constantly been improved for almost 150 years
@@mr740 usable ones, not those concept weird looking cars that were crazy impractical nd slow
frost 8 again google it
Petition to electric swap James’ heart
(I genuinely hope that he’s okay)
This would definitely be an awesome swap to do once these mods become more affordable & EV's become more mainstream I'll be probably considering doing this to my Tacoma in the next couple decades once IC engines phase out & battery technology becomes way better.
No joke, I’m actually debating whether or not to do this to my Crown Vic!! Gas chugging V8 converted to electric would be pretty badass!! 🤔
I'm a musician, I love the sound, I love to hear things, and loving cars, the ICE sounds make me happy. I don't care if that car or the other one have 2000hp. I don't care if the car can go 0 - 60 in like, 0.5 seconds. I have a 67 VW Beetle, with, I don't know, 38hp? He almost can't do 60mph, but I don't care. That air-cooled sound, the slowness, that always put a Smile on my face. EV's can be better than ICE's everytime. But no one of then will never make me smile more than my 67 Beetle. The sound, the smell of gás. Sorry but no, the people who like EV can do whatever they want, but ICE's are my passion, one of the last things that I trully love in this moment we're living. Engines are only a piece of metal, but they're very importante to me, I'll never put any battery in any car of mine. In the end. "Sound is Emotion".
And since people always fight in comments of videos like this. EV lover's, have fun with your Teslas, but let us, ICE lover's have fun with our engines. Ok?
I just wanted to see ICE's and EV's living together... Both of then...
Why you should electrify classic cars? The great thing of clossic cars is that they are mechanical and not technical. You control the car, not the car drives you. Sure electric cars has great acceleration but why should you swap an classic car with such an technic? I mean you could do it, but why, why should you do it?
because emissions
@@Adrian_Nel because it doesn't cost CO2 to build an electric engine and batteries...
An electric classic car cannot drive itself unless you install autonomy. Also, people do it because they want to drive the car and not let it rot in a garage somewhere.
Would you rather just scrap the shells of all those cars with blown engines?
I hope you're doing okay James, much love!
Nolan, nice video.
I've seen an electric swapped Testarossa on the track as far back as 2001 in France. It was mint green and sounded like a gigantic electric drill going by
Alright, I’ll be right back let me electric swap my integra
I feel that classics should stay classics
Keep the internal combustion engine alive!
LS swap it and it's a "badass restomod", make it electric and you're "killing the internal combustion engine"...
Those classics need more saving than the internal combustion engine does...
Dude Those Phase Leads are Sick as F!!!!
This is so cool.