Can we just take a second to respect the amount of research and time it takes to make these videos. They have to find music that isnt copyright or they buy it, edit the videos with content that could block their channel due to UA-cam's backwards algorithm, make sure the info is real by checking thousands of web pages and sketchy sources of information. Then they need to retake a scene everytime he makes a mistake. If he does of course. Then there is all the other shit: • writing a script • memorizing the script • Lighting • Sound • Editing • Filming • managing all the data on SD Cards • meeting for video idea • gathering images • researching • retakes • keeping consistent enthusiasm The list really really goes on and its impossible to guess how much work they really put in because you arent there when they plan every video. But the fact how they still stick to a schedule and upload all the time. It's fantastic. Drop these guys a subscription.
However there are several instances of inaccuracies, especially regarding images and the occasional information error. However, you are rather right. I enjoy their explanations a lot.
It would have stability issues as the weight will not be suspended. I like the idea of one engine for the front axle and one engine for the rear axle.
@@moe5427 according to the actual definitions there’s no real difference. They both turn a form of energy (chemical and electric) into mechanical force or kinetic energy.
Riskyy I’m sorry to tell you that my Monday went really badly and I have no energy left to subscribe to your channel. If you’d send me some money. Let’s say a hundred euros. I’d be happier and had the energy to subscribe.
They were kinda pricey for what you got. A base model MR2 was more than a Mustang GT Hatchback or base model Camaro and a fully equipped one cost more than a Mustang GT convertible or Camaro IROC-Z. More money for a less powerful, less practical car. Still a great little car, though.
@@GodotPozzo Mr2s are cheaper here in europe than american ponies, at least right now, I don't know their prices new or if they were sold at all(lot's of imports). Even those that were sold probably cost 2x-3x more than in the US. SW20 prices are going up mind-blowingly fast though.
@@andrasjuhasz7011 Yeah, American muscle cars have always been expensive in Europe due to various import rules, tariffs, etc. In the states the Pontiac Fiero suffered the same fate as the MR2. It was overpriced for an impractical under-powered car because the development costs for mid and rear engine cars are so much more. The Delorean cost more than a Corvette with a fraction of the power. Just no point making a mid/rear engine car unless you go full exotic with a high price tag.
@@paulqueripel3493 great comments and I hope more people google this. "The World" stole Bohemia from Germany after WWI, to fabricate, yes invent, a whole new country christened Checkloslovakia; and Germany wanted the bordering largest land mass of this hoax back. Bohemia is as German as it gets, Moravia East of it was also German speaking but mixed race and the two comprised about 3/4 of the made up Czech republic which would be turned over to the Slavs and others. The US, who supported taking the Alamo from Mexico, would understandably want to give most of the Czech territory to Slavic nationals. Wait, is that right? The US had about as many German descendants as English after the Revolution! Interesting stuff buried in a car comments section. Haha!
I love the way he gave the bottom line explanation first. Straight to the point, job done. Then he released all the passion and creativity in his explanations after. And still wrapped it all up with a bottom line conclusion. Bravo, man. You just made lockdown a little easier for me! Liked and subscribed.
@@AndrewGeierMelons Most dads don't just quit their jobs for almost 2 years because they have a baby. He got fired and said it on Instagram. Too bad it's buried with posts or I'd link to it. Edit: This isn't the post, but here's a close enough response from Bart: "I appreciate it! If it were up to me, I'd still be at Donut... it's great to hear how many people liked the show! I'm figuring out my "next thing." You'll know when I know!" instagram.com/p/B2IcoqzpP70/?
@@gavinm1347 Hi could you please donate to my cause as well. I only need a nonillion £ worth of extremely precious minerals or elements so that I could resell them slowly in order to purchase an island and build my own country. it is a great cause and I will definitely appreciate your support. 😢👍
This is in part to geography and roads. We have lots of flat terrain with wide open straight roads. Acceleration and speed is more important than handling. Most of Europe is hilly, twisty and tight. Handling is more important.
@@automotivelucas Really? Oh man, the legend that Tatra was back in the day is just reskining DAF trucks, welp that sounds quite sad to a Slovak person like myself. They should make some passenger cars like in the past, something that resembles the 603 or 613 and maybe make an electric version of their failed concept sports car the Tatra Metalex V8
I was just about to mention this :D Nevertheless, I suppose the mid engine cars are harder to service, especially the ones that need taking the motor out for belt changing like some Ferraris
I've owned 21 cars in my life. Including, an E30 m3, 4 sciroccos (2 16Vs), a GTV, an Audi 5000, Audi s4, and a porsche Cayman S. The Cayman S is by far the best one for many reasons. Engine placement, chassis geometry, quality of materials, fit and finish and last but not least it is effin GORGEOUS!
Great, was the M3 long back coz you should have kept it, it would be worth fat stacks today, personally tho, even if I had one today I would not sell it unless I had a few more E30 M3s
Yes... I wanted to buy a old Ascona B (had one in 2002 bought for 400 dollar)... But after looking what that old 2 liter 100hp family car cost now I found out I can buy a Porche Cayman used for the same price, it is insane how these old cars have gone up in price... So now I plan on buying a Porche Cayman as I want a good car that is fun to drive and has a ok engine, and boxer 6 sound sooo good ;)
@@antoinehemi4266 ou la la mon petit, calme ton ego tout de suite. Si la France était aussi intelligent que tu le dit, on aurait pas Macron pour président
The only reason MR2s and Fieros had some issues with snap oversteer is one bad drivers and two being most of the engines weight was on top of the axle rather than in front of it like a longitudinal configuration would have been. There is a reason almost all rear mid engine cars are set up longitudinal and not tranverse.
FINALLY an episode with a corvair!!! I own a 64 Corvair Monza and I have always wanted it to make it into a donut media video. Awesome video guys, love the content!
Front engine: *when you lose traction the rear whips around quickly for great drifting or for slamming into crowds at car meets* Mid Engine: *when you lose traction the car becomes an uber expensive hockey puck* Rear Engine: *when you lose traction the rear becomes an uber expensive sledge hammer*
11:13 The weights' inertia creates a force which opposes your rotation (F) This force (F) in turn creates an opposing momentum, or torque (M) This opposing torque (M) is determined by multiplying the force (F) by the distance from you to the weights, or radius (r). The bigger the radius, the bigger the opposing torque, the harder it is for you to spin freely. Pull the weights in and you gain speed.
I'm 29 years old and just realized that I actually think cars are really cool. Been learning a lot in the last few months, and your channel is so helpful. Thanks a lot for the great content.
Demon owes a lot of that to track-only tires and costs $85k, the engine placement is still not good. Look at hellcat vs c8. Hellcat: $59k starting, 6.29 lb/hp, 3.4 s 0-60 C8: $59k starting, 7.2 lb/hp, 3.0 s 0-60 Front placed engines do not decrease power to the back wheels, but it is much more challenging to put down said power.
Me: Wants a short answer Donut: Gives it to me Me:... Donut:.... Me:.... Donut: Do you want the hear whole story? Me: Yes please🥺👉👈 Donut: Okay take a seat
Friend of mine in high sch had a Corvair for a short time. When he drove me home one day my dad saw it and was pretty impressed to see one in such good shape. It only had lap belts so with my buddy's driving, it could be a nervous ride sometimes!
Keep in mind, modern front engine, front wheel drive cars use Dante Giacosa’s (Yeah, the guy behind Fiat 500) “gearbox-next-to-the-engine” system, first used in Autobianchi Primula (1964). Alec Issigonis’ “Gearbox in the oil sump” system is largely abandoned.
Actually Ferdinand Porsche had that idea before WW1. He was working at Austro-Daimler at the time, and one of their early electrics has hub mounted motors.
@@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja as I understand it, 'motor' is interchangeable with 'engine,' but not the other way. Basically, a motor is a power source for a car, be it running on a fuel or electric, but an engine is specifically a combustion engine (internal, as in a car's engine, or external, like a steam engine.)
Front engine layouts also allow for one really important thing: a unified cargo space. Even a small hatchback can store really big items if you fold down the back seats. The C8 Corvette, Lotus Evora, and Porsche Cayman all have pretty respectable storage capacities, but since the storage is split between 2 to 3 spaces, you can't fit larger items.
My only rear wheeled car was a 1984 Mustang Hatchback. I only ever drove front end cars up to this point. Needless to say, it took me about a week to get used to the power, to drive without minor fishtailing. It was a fun car none the less.
Nolan: I'm sorry, did you think you were getting through this without learning some rotational dynamics?! You're in the science zone b!tch. Also Nolan: Proceeds to move on without explaining the topic in any way, shape, or form.
Considering the weight distribution of F1 cars and compare that to a 911 (and the new C8), a more rear based weight distribution seems to be pretty much perfect.
Nolan, Thank you for being the star of this video! Im sure shit is hard for you all as well during the pandemic. You truly do help, take us away from the reality we all live in right now! I really hope Donut Media is treating you all well and this isn't some crazy "people who are good at producing and people who love motor vehicles" trafficking ring! I truly love all your videos from Donut and I hope you all are keeping well. Especially the people who we don't see, behind the scenes. Take it easy. Love you all! Peace!
*There is another major reason for front engine placement :* They are also safer during a front impact or accident as the engine block absorbs the major forces, thereby keeping the passengers safe! (especially in cheaper passenger cars with weaker body structures, compared to sports and exotic cars).
Generally the forces you refer to are absorbed by the designated crumple zones designed for that purpose. Engines are typically more resilient to impact forces than the rest of the car & as a result are pushed into the firewall & at times the passenger cabin making front engined cars less safe due to resulting injury using your argument.
Shubhanga K also doesn’t hurt to mention, the more rigid the structure, the more impact load is transferred to the cabin occupants. So a structure built from front to centre in a progressively weak to strong fashion generally results in less g-force transferred to the human body.
I think that was more a result of l, rather than a reason for... mostly because, like he said when the front engined cars came about, there weren't massive speeds, so there weren't many major accidents
this isn't true at all... your decreasing the crumple zone of the car which is the exact opposite of keeping people safe. This is the logical equivalent of putting a bolder under a trampoline to help break a fall
All my early cars were front engine, rear drive. It was ordinary and I learned to drift around curves. Yeah, I learned to drive in Italy. In college, cost drove me to drive a VW Beetle. Great traction in snow. Remember it was all the rage in those days to see how many people you could get in a Beetle and still drive? I had the local record: 17 people. Sure, some were kids but a people is a people! The Beetle needed an EMPI rear axle stabilizer to avoid the wheel tucking under the car; it took some skill to drift around curves. Oversteer was the issue. After college my uncle, Uncle Sam, sent me to Germany for 3 years. Bought a used Citroën DS. Wow, what a car. Not only did the front wheel drive out perform everything else on ice and snow (Germany), but the air suspension constantly leveled the car. On the Autobahn I would put my cup of coffee on the dashboard and go around the curves at 100mph without the coffee cup sliding or sloshing. Great car. Sold me on air suspension and FWD. Check out the Citroën DS on Jay Leno's Garage. Oh, and the headlights were linked with the steering wheel so they turned to illuminate curves at night. Fifty years later I still wonder why other manufacturers did not provide this feature. We, my wife and I, have had several FWDs over the years. But, I did live in Italy as a teen. Got a soft spot in my head, uhh, heart, for sporty Italian cars. We've had 3 Alfa Romeos and one BMW Z3. All great on mountain roads, easy to control. Which brings me to the best handling model. The Alfa Romeo Alfetta. It was front engine, rear transmission. Exceptional balance and control. The challenge was that the drive shaft spun at the same RPM as the motor. (Transmission in the rear.) This was really hard on the rubber doughnut universal joints. Not to worry, I got quite competent at replacing them every 20-30k miles. The best part was that the Alfetta could go to any SCCA event right off the showroom floor and be competitive. Now, why do I tell this story? Back in 2013 I bought a Cadillac ATS, all wheel drive, for my sweet wife. We live in Colorado, ice and snow here just like Germany. Citroën had left the American market so it was not an option. We had lived in Italy for 5 years before returning to the US so Alfa just wasn't the same as in the old days. After looking at several options, the ATS won over the BMW 320. So much for fahrvergnügen. Wait, that was a different company. Wow. The Cadillac ATS is a sleeper. It handles better than the Alfetta, is exceptional on ice and snow, on dry pavement it runs 0-60 in about 5 seconds. It's been low cost to maintain. I'm impressed. GM finally got something right. FWD / AWD / 4WD are all the best options in Colorado. Oh, and if you use your turn signals, the ATS' headlights rotate to shine around curves on mountain roads. Very Citroënesque! I still wonder why it took 50 years to get headlights that show the driver the curve.
My mom's former 2005 Lexus RX330 CUV had Xenon headlights that would rotate when you turned the steering wheel. The only issue is that it would only work 15 mph and higher I believe, so driving around my neighborhood at 10 mph around turns would not really turn the headlights. But since the xenon lights were so wide, you don't really need to have the rotating feature at low speeds, which is probably why the engineers designed the system like that. I believe other luxury car companies have this technology too, probably starting around the same time as Lexus.
Wow, great story! How is the ATS better than the Alfetta?! I have very similar car tastes, so it is interesting to hear why you like the ATS so much! I might have to get one :)
The center headlight turned with the wheels on the 1948 Tucker Torpedo. Yes, that should have been standard equipment on most cars several decades ago.
I think your points are great, in particular when it comes to cars for private ownership. Where I struggle to apply your analysis is with the success of the rear engine 911 platform in racing. That is until I started watching the IMSA GT3 & GT4 series, I began to notice rarely if ever do drivers with a history of initiating rear contact (example the Lexus team) to get past competitor, attempt to nudge a 911. They'll (again the Lexus team) nudge front engine car, they'll nudge a mid-engine car, those few times I've seen a competitor attempt to nudge the rear axle of a 911 (ex C8 Corvette at Sebring) , it's always ended badly for the nudger rather than the nudgee (the 911). Perhaps what I have observed is coincidental. On the other hand, having some an idea of how the german mind works (being of German descent), the Germans have decided the benefit of putting the rear engine directly over the rear axle (eliminating the moment arm for the rear axle altogether) attribute serves to minimize what they cannot control and then they have chosen to manage the negative characteristics to preserve this trait that reduces vulnerability to what is outside their control (a-hole competitors). thoughts?
i watched the whole video, even with the quick answer you presented.... can't believe it :))) knowing the answer before the explanation, made listening to it, more enjoyable. Thank you
I could immediately tell when the video started playing that Nolan recorded this at home from the audio quality... COVID19 has officially started to take its toll.
A 4wd Porsche with the rear drive shafts removed? 🤷♂️ I know it's possible to remove front drive on the 996 at least, so why not remove rear drive instead 🤠
@@gabrielwaterkemper8456 its all wheel drive , the front wheels are powered by the electric motors, and the rear wheels are powered by the 3 cylinder engine.
I have a mid engine car. True, it only has 2 seats; but i dont ever ferry more than just me and my gf, if not me alone. Best thing is the 2 trunks. The trunk is a bit tight, but the frunk has TONS of space. I love it
Jaroslav Jůza But most of the weight is in the batteries and not the motors. And they are usually placed on the bottom/center, this leads to some exceptional handling.
@@AdrianSchwizgebel This! I drive a Model 3 RWD with suspension and tire mods. The car rotates in such a direct and controllable manner. I crush my old Evo's lap time by 4 seconds even though the Tesla has a lower hp to weight ratio. Its like having the weight ratio of a mid engine sports car in a 4 door, rear wheel drive, sedan with instant torque.
Mid engine: drove a Lotus once, that thing handled like a dream! Rear engine: owned a 75 VW bug for a while, the front end was so light and wheels so skinny you'd understeer anywhere. Actually almost got t-boned by one for that very reason Fwd transverse: driven a few. Prone to torque steer, snappy, but less fun to drive. Also easy to park (that would make a good video if you're reading these) AWD 4wh independent suspension Subaru: handles fantastic. Snow drifting is hella fun and predictable. Stable at any speed. Front engine RWD: driven a scat pack challenger and plenty of pickups. Too easy to brake the tires loose due to the light rear end. Easy to slide.
@@skrmnghrd4520 unlike RWD snow drifting, AWD will always seek to go in the direction you're pointed. It is also less prone to loosing control on ice as all 4 wheels are moving.
@@yo-nq9wr I mean true since a lot of car owners are male so tesla could be gay but we will never know till we get an update that makes the car have a convo with you
I saw a c8 the other day in a parking lot when I was driving around my boss, and I said “Look!” And he goes “is that a Ferrari?” I’m like... yes but with more freedom
I finally saw a C8 in person last weekend while riding 2-up with my wife on one of my motorcycles. I pointed it out to my wife and we both agree that it does look a lot like a Ferrari. I'm quite content with my 2016 C7 Z51 1LT 7-speed for now.
The graphic at 3:44 should say "World War II", not WWI. Anyway, which engine placement is your favorite, and in which car?
mid
Front
Yes
Front in a hellcat, Redeye, or demon
Any 911 Porsche motor
Can we just take a second to respect the amount of research and time it takes to make these videos. They have to find music that isnt copyright or they buy it, edit the videos with content that could block their channel due to UA-cam's backwards algorithm, make sure the info is real by checking thousands of web pages and sketchy sources of information. Then they need to retake a scene everytime he makes a mistake. If he does of course.
Then there is all the other shit:
• writing a script
• memorizing the script
• Lighting
• Sound
• Editing
• Filming
• managing all the data on SD Cards
• meeting for video idea
• gathering images
• researching
• retakes
• keeping consistent enthusiasm
The list really really goes on and its impossible to guess how much work they really put in because you arent there when they plan every video. But the fact how they still stick to a schedule and upload all the time. It's fantastic.
Drop these guys a subscription.
However there are several instances of inaccuracies, especially regarding images and the occasional information error. However, you are rather right. I enjoy their explanations a lot.
You're staying facts. As one who used to shoot and edit....I watch these videos and think about all the work that goes into each and every one of them
I know right? subbed after the first video I watched here.
Simp
Deep bro
He makes learning fun , we need teachers like this man
I agree
i gad a couple cooler than this cat too
I watch this dude cuz my teacher ain't making sense
BackMasking33 100%
Ikr
My preference is one engine for each wheel.
Ah yes! Rivian 😍
It would have stability issues as the weight will not be suspended. I like the idea of one engine for the front axle and one engine for the rear axle.
@@T1Oracle there's a big difference between a motor and an engine my man
Rivian
@@moe5427 according to the actual definitions there’s no real difference. They both turn a form of energy (chemical and electric) into mechanical force or kinetic energy.
"It's a 911 Porsche, hot bit goes in the back."
-Jeremy Clarkson
Say that while eating a pipe backwards
@@implodingbaby "That's not gone well" - Jeremy, soon after that
@@AbrahamArthemius no
"It's a Volkswagen Beetle with mustard up its bottom."
Riskyy I’m sorry to tell you that my Monday went really badly and I have no energy left to subscribe to your channel. If you’d send me some money. Let’s say a hundred euros. I’d be happier and had the energy to subscribe.
Slight science garage flashbacks. That's actually how I discovered Donut
Science garage is how I got into cars at all
I miss science garage. I already know most of it but it's still interesting
Bruh me too
Same
Science garage is a heck of a gateway drug to car culture
“Volkswagens” shows image of a new bug which has the engine in the front
Which is basically a golf
@@lazartsaprev2580 Yes, although the pictured A5 Beetle uses the older platform which it shares with the Golf Mk6, not the current Mk7.
@@lazartsaprev2580 yup classics are better
@@captainsupermaket8003 Classics are beеtles, this one is ugly (in my opinion) golf
@@lazartsaprev2580 classics were type 1s
The beetle moniker was popular slang, became official on the new beetle (there was never an old beetle lol)
I like the fact he gave an answer at the start and then explained it instead of having us waiting the whole video for it
It's literally the basics of how to write an effective essay.
I really really respect them for that, and it actually makes me want to watch the full video
Me: Donut can we get science garage?
Donut: we have science garage at home
Science garage at home: Nolan's Science Zone
@@riskyy2657 stop with this no one cares stop spamming its obviously fake
@@riskyy2657 lol
Riskyy
My Monday did not go so well, maybe if you had transferred me some money ($500), I would’ve subscribed.
@@SebastianV294 someone needs to learn how to chill and take a joke, it seems
MasterGaming Nic *uno reverse card*
"Mid engine cars are expensive"
Toyota mr2: You sure about that?
They were kinda pricey for what you got. A base model MR2 was more than a Mustang GT Hatchback or base model Camaro and a fully equipped one cost more than a Mustang GT convertible or Camaro IROC-Z. More money for a less powerful, less practical car. Still a great little car, though.
Was look in for this😂
@@GodotPozzo Mr2s are cheaper here in europe than american ponies, at least right now, I don't know their prices new or if they were sold at all(lot's of imports). Even those that were sold probably cost 2x-3x more than in the US. SW20 prices are going up mind-blowingly fast though.
@@andrasjuhasz7011 Yeah, American muscle cars have always been expensive in Europe due to various import rules, tariffs, etc. In the states the Pontiac Fiero suffered the same fate as the MR2. It was overpriced for an impractical under-powered car because the development costs for mid and rear engine cars are so much more. The Delorean cost more than a Corvette with a fraction of the power. Just no point making a mid/rear engine car unless you go full exotic with a high price tag.
What about the Pontiac Fiero 😎
Tatra: Sues Germany for car design
Germany: *Invades the whole Czechoslovakia*
You probably meant 'Germany: *Invades the whole CzechoslovaKIA* '
Lesson: don’t sue German companies. ;)
And donut media puts the wrong world war up in the caption.
one of the least efficient things done by germany.
@@paulqueripel3493 great comments and I hope more people google this. "The World" stole Bohemia from Germany after WWI, to fabricate, yes invent, a whole new country christened Checkloslovakia; and Germany wanted the bordering largest land mass of this hoax back. Bohemia is as German as it gets, Moravia East of it was also German speaking but mixed race and the two comprised about 3/4 of the made up Czech republic which would be turned over to the Slavs and others. The US, who supported taking the Alamo from Mexico, would understandably want to give most of the Czech territory to Slavic nationals. Wait, is that right? The US had about as many German descendants as English after the Revolution! Interesting stuff buried in a car comments section. Haha!
I love the way he gave the bottom line explanation first. Straight to the point, job done. Then he released all the passion and creativity in his explanations after. And still wrapped it all up with a bottom line conclusion. Bravo, man. You just made lockdown a little easier for me! Liked and subscribed.
3:50 “War can’t solve all your problems.” Sure it can. You just have to win.
Can it solve my parents' marriage?
Oh you so smart
@@remu6841 and no
@@remu6841 only if one wins
Scarlet458 no your dads a simp.
2:54 "the speed of smell" that's my new favorite term for a slow car.
In Spain you can hear people say "la velocidad del tocino", which it translates to "the speed of pig fat".
Slow but sure
“Mid-engine layouts don’t offer much cargo space”
Toyota Previa: Am I a joke to you?
best van ever
I want one of those. Can't decide between 5 speed RWD or supercharged AWD. 🤔
@@Ciana214 That's a hard one. Maybe the AWD model just because of the supercharger.
My Boxster has a lot of space in the two trunks... I've even fit a small Baldor generator in the front trunk before. lol
Losh get the RWD and put the super charger on it
Seeing people drift in the 40s is hilarious to me
Yes
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They were sliding around those corners like me in Need for Speed. Lmao
It was then dangerous for 20 years after that until some Japanese dudes in the mountains said "Oversteer? More like Dorifto"
Unless it's a Netflix original which makes you smile when the main character masters that one turn he cannot do and celebrates
2030: *"so we put the engine on the roooof"*
Roof engine car, just like mid-engine, but with worse aerodynamics.
The car flies
finally a challenger to the robin reliant
2030: " So we kill engined cars "
It would be even worse. It may topple the car while cornering. The best practice is to keep engine as close as possible to ground.
"during the recording nolan never actually explained this..." yeah well i can bet bart can explain it #BRINGBACKSCIENCEGARAGE
superharith #BRINGBACKSCIENCEGARAGE
Let the man raise his child. He'll be back when he's back. He's got a newborn. I'd take time off to be with my child too
@@AndrewGeierMelons oh shit I didn't know he just got a newborn. Good for him. Now I feel bad for posting that comment.
@@AndrewGeierMelons Most dads don't just quit their jobs for almost 2 years because they have a baby. He got fired and said it on Instagram. Too bad it's buried with posts or I'd link to it.
Edit: This isn't the post, but here's a close enough response from Bart: "I appreciate it! If it were up to me, I'd still be at Donut... it's great to hear how many people liked the show! I'm figuring out my "next thing." You'll know when I know!" instagram.com/p/B2IcoqzpP70/?
Yeah, he's not coming back (like James' dad) so could we just stop posting this meme.
“So why is that?” “Nolan didn’t actually explain this sooooo, pause here” 😂😂😂
@@riskyy2657 Bro go scam somewhere else
Riskyy I will help you get what u need. How can I donate to your cause?
@@gavinm1347 Hi could you please donate to my cause as well. I only need a nonillion £ worth of extremely precious minerals or elements so that I could resell them slowly in order to purchase an island and build my own country. it is a great cause and I will definitely appreciate your support. 😢👍
American cars be like
"What do we want?"
"MORE POWER!"
"WHERE DO WE WANT IT?"
"REAR WHEELS!!"
Fax bro
the travor.. travor is a-
"WHEN DO WE WANT IT?"
"NOW!!!"
“AMERICA”
“FUCK YEAHHH!!!!”
This is in part to geography and roads. We have lots of flat terrain with wide open straight roads. Acceleration and speed is more important than handling. Most of Europe is hilly, twisty and tight. Handling is more important.
VW: _Copys Tatra's design_
Tatra: _Gets mad_
Germany: *So you have chosen, death*
They really did choose, death.
Let my Fuhrer decide if you have a problem with that... Tatra: Ok you can have that design 😂
either season 1 or 2 jojo closing theme plays
They only modify DAF trucks into offroad trucks now lol
@@automotivelucas Really? Oh man, the legend that Tatra was back in the day is just reskining DAF trucks, welp that sounds quite sad to a Slovak person like myself. They should make some passenger cars like in the past, something that resembles the 603 or 613 and maybe make an electric version of their failed concept sports car the Tatra Metalex V8
I appreciate this channel's use of "nice" whenever 69 is mentioned. Nice.
Storm Step it’s the right thing to do
Nice
Nice
Noice
nice
"Mid engine cars are generally expensive as shit" laughs in mr2
americanly chuckles in Feiro
I was just about to mention this :D Nevertheless, I suppose the mid engine cars are harder to service, especially the ones that need taking the motor out for belt changing like some Ferraris
Laughs in C8
🤌🤌 ‘s in Lancia integrale evo 2
Laughs in renault espace
I've owned 21 cars in my life. Including, an E30 m3, 4 sciroccos (2 16Vs), a GTV, an Audi 5000, Audi s4, and a porsche Cayman S. The Cayman S is by far the best one for many reasons. Engine placement, chassis geometry, quality of materials, fit and finish and last but not least it is effin GORGEOUS!
No one cares
Great, was the M3 long back coz you should have kept it, it would be worth fat stacks today, personally tho, even if I had one today I would not sell it unless I had a few more E30 M3s
Caymans look decent as well
Yes... I wanted to buy a old Ascona B (had one in 2002 bought for 400 dollar)... But after looking what that old 2 liter 100hp family car cost now I found out I can buy a Porche Cayman used for the same price, it is insane how these old cars have gone up in price... So now I plan on buying a Porche Cayman as I want a good car that is fun to drive and has a ok engine, and boxer 6 sound sooo good ;)
"mid engine cars are expensive"
pontiac fiero: allow me to introduce myself
Nick_NT MR2 would likely agree.
Mid engine cars that don’t catch on fire are expensive*
Edit:
*pictures burning lambo* nvm
Pontiac fiero: allow me to introd- *catches fire*
mid engine cars are expensive :
the new corvette: i cost less than 100k and i have 700bufhorsez
Fierro wasnt expensive private seller have it price gauge because its hard to find but no one really wants one just feeding of the popular mr2
Me:just finishes french class
Donut media: TIME TO LEARN SOMETHING BETTER!
Doge666 Bro ur profile pic just makes it better
French or if you prefer the innuendo minefield
Trop complexe pour vous le français c'est ça un peuple a l'intelligence supérieure ça se voit dans la complexité de la langue
@@antoinehemi4266 ou la la mon petit, calme ton ego tout de suite. Si la France était aussi intelligent que tu le dit, on aurait pas Macron pour président
SAME
Donut: "Mid engine vehicles are the best handling..."
MR2: *sweats in snap oversteer*
Was Thinking Of This 😂
mid engine is the best handling - they do NOT have SNAP oversteer, they have predictable controllable oversteer
Once you learn the car, snap over steer only happens when you want it to.
The only reason MR2s and Fieros had some issues with snap oversteer is one bad drivers and two being most of the engines weight was on top of the axle rather than in front of it like a longitudinal configuration would have been. There is a reason almost all rear mid engine cars are set up longitudinal and not tranverse.
RX7 FB: sweats in *snap back* oversteer
FINALLY an episode with a corvair!!! I own a 64 Corvair Monza and I have always wanted it to make it into a donut media video. Awesome video guys, love the content!
I remember seeing that in the showroom and boy that I wanted one 👍💚👍
Front engine: *when you lose traction the rear whips around quickly for great drifting or for slamming into crowds at car meets*
Mid Engine: *when you lose traction the car becomes an uber expensive hockey puck*
Rear Engine: *when you lose traction the rear becomes an uber expensive sledge hammer*
I was lookin for this comment
Forte Kosakku ok
Forte Kosakku Damn good comment. I read the entire post. 👍🏾👌🏾
"An exotic, with a mid engine"
Ah yes, the exotic $1000 Pontiac Fiero
That’s why he said exotic mid engine
"Front placed engines decrease power for the back wheels..."
Dodge Challenger Demon: "Parry this, you filthy casual"
Is the Mercedes Benz 250d a mid engine?
last Fiero, factory new, sold for $90k
@@lEGOBOT2565
Good thing I opted not to buy one back when they were $20,000. at $90,000 it's a verified exotic and now worthy of my money. LOL
11:13
The weights' inertia creates a force which opposes your rotation (F)
This force (F) in turn creates an opposing momentum, or torque (M)
This opposing torque (M) is determined by multiplying the force (F) by the distance from you to the weights, or radius (r).
The bigger the radius, the bigger the opposing torque, the harder it is for you to spin freely.
Pull the weights in and you gain speed.
Mk.
I'm 29 years old and just realized that I actually think cars are really cool. Been learning a lot in the last few months, and your channel is so helpful. Thanks a lot for the great content.
Lawsuit now:
- Imma sue you
+ Wait, we can maybe get to an agreement
Lawsuit during the 2°WW:
- Imma sue you
+ Hanz... Start ze panzer
LMAO
if you hire phoenix wright, you dont have to reach an agreement
YOU WANNA SEE PORSHE I SHOW YOU PORSHE 😂
@@robertjameson5338 Porsche tiger
U vonted ze rear engin? Vee bin giben rear engin in der panzer.
"Front placed engines decrease power for the back wheels..."
Dodge Challenger Demon: "Parry this, you filthy casual"
Demon owes a lot of that to track-only tires and costs $85k, the engine placement is still not good. Look at hellcat vs c8.
Hellcat: $59k starting, 6.29 lb/hp, 3.4 s 0-60
C8: $59k starting, 7.2 lb/hp, 3.0 s 0-60
Front placed engines do not decrease power to the back wheels, but it is much more challenging to put down said power.
Do you play mordhau by any chance?
Also Dodge Demon: I hate tires.
Tires: expire.
@@nickdinser962
Is it AWD?
No
Rwd
“Why don’t we try it in the trunk, yah?!” 😂🤣
😂 that had me literally rolling on the floor
That's what she said lol
World war 2 man. You know the one that started in 1939 how did anyone not catch that before you published the video
Bird Gang!
Of all the presenters, Nolan is my favorite because he doesn't crack a joke or laugh every 10 seconds.
I like Nolan when they match the gun reloading sound with his glasses getting pushed up
Me: Wants a short answer
Donut: Gives it to me
Me:...
Donut:....
Me:....
Donut: Do you want the hear whole story?
Me: Yes please🥺👉👈
Donut: Okay take a seat
Aw, what's your cute lil emoji mean there, lil guy?
TheRPGentleman it means he’s gay..
@@andrewmoreno9366 bruh wtf
OverConfidencePlayz nah bro it was pretty gay
Andrew Bernhardt it was
Saw somebody driving a C8 in the neighborhood adjacent to mine in NH
Dude gave us a bit of a rev, sounded fantastic.
can almost guarantee it was stock, can’t wait to hear them modded
nothing like wheelhouse to make quarantine more relaxing, thank you lads for the uploads
Friend of mine in high sch had a Corvair for a short time. When he drove me home one day my dad saw it and was pretty impressed to see one in such good shape. It only had lap belts so with my buddy's driving, it could be a nervous ride sometimes!
Dang, they cut my boi Noland off at the end when he was bearing his soul. That’s cold editor!
Cold, so cold
Keep in mind, modern front engine, front wheel drive cars use Dante Giacosa’s (Yeah, the guy behind Fiat 500) “gearbox-next-to-the-engine” system, first used in Autobianchi Primula (1964).
Alec Issigonis’ “Gearbox in the oil sump” system is largely abandoned.
"Why don't we try it in the trunk, ya"
Nice one Nolan
This is the FUNNIEST and most informative channel I've ever come across. Humor and information perfectly blended.
Nolan: Says Pandemic
Ads: *IGHT IMMA HEAD OUT*
ZepTob Gurning is this true? Is there really demonetization because of mentioning something to do with COVID?
ChrisWalksFast You okay? O’Reilly’s has an ad in this video.....
@@ChrisWalksFast yeah it's basically a no no word
I just find it so hilarious that Nolan never actually explained the moment of inertia but he had a whole segment of the video dedicated to it
Tesla be like:
Why put the motor in the front or the back when we can just have 1 motor of each tire.
Edit: Replaced engine with motor.
Actually that might be a genius idea
Actually Ferdinand Porsche had that idea before WW1. He was working at Austro-Daimler at the time, and one of their early electrics has hub mounted motors.
Motors and engines are two different things.
@@musewolfman What is the difference?
@@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja as I understand it, 'motor' is interchangeable with 'engine,' but not the other way. Basically, a motor is a power source for a car, be it running on a fuel or electric, but an engine is specifically a combustion engine (internal, as in a car's engine, or external, like a steam engine.)
I appreciate putting the answer right in front. More UA-cam videos need to do this
Front engine layouts also allow for one really important thing: a unified cargo space. Even a small hatchback can store really big items if you fold down the back seats. The C8 Corvette, Lotus Evora, and Porsche Cayman all have pretty respectable storage capacities, but since the storage is split between 2 to 3 spaces, you can't fit larger items.
I don't even have a car
hECK I CAN'T EVEN DRIVE
but this is so interesting I can't help but watch the whole thing
Whe i was young, I thought 'mid engine' meant the engine was literally under the seats of the car.
I don't have a car neither, but I can drive 🙂
@@jojouzimaki705 in some vehicles it is actually under the seats. In some old vans fir example
So do I, but I'm interested in engineering, so I watched this
@@jojouzimaki705 vex From. , a
Yo n;77 you
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"Why do they put engines in the front"
I'm going to go with....
COST!
Yeah, absolutely. It saves money to drop all those parts in the same spot.
My only rear wheeled car was a 1984 Mustang Hatchback. I only ever drove front end cars up to this point. Needless to say, it took me about a week to get used to the power, to drive without minor fishtailing. It was a fun car none the less.
Nolan: I'm sorry, did you think you were getting through this without learning some rotational dynamics?! You're in the science zone b!tch.
Also Nolan: Proceeds to move on without explaining the topic in any way, shape, or form.
Nolan just got NO U-ed to himself!
Fak, I was gonna comment that!
Road car: front
Racecar: mid
Germany for no reason: rear
Didnt know pontiac fiero was a racecar.....
@@evoxmania well it is
Considering the weight distribution of F1 cars and compare that to a 911 (and the new C8), a more rear based weight distribution seems to be pretty much perfect.
@@evoxmania he said racecars choose this setup, not ''whatever uses this setup is a racecar''
@@caralho5237 thats why i asked back.... by his definition, a fiero would be a good racecar....
Nolan, Thank you for being the star of this video! Im sure shit is hard for you all as well during the pandemic. You truly do help, take us away from the reality we all live in right now!
I really hope Donut Media is treating you all well and this isn't some crazy "people who are good at producing and people who love motor vehicles" trafficking ring!
I truly love all your videos from Donut and I hope you all are keeping well. Especially the people who we don't see, behind the scenes. Take it easy. Love you all! Peace!
last time i was this early miracle whips was still ongoing
Godzilla miracle whips needs to come back
Miracle whips was fire
*There is another major reason for front engine placement :*
They are also safer during a front impact or accident as the engine block absorbs the major forces, thereby keeping the passengers safe! (especially in cheaper passenger cars with weaker body structures, compared to sports and exotic cars).
Generally the forces you refer to are absorbed by the designated crumple zones designed for that purpose. Engines are typically more resilient to impact forces than the rest of the car & as a result are pushed into the firewall & at times the passenger cabin making front engined cars less safe due to resulting injury using your argument.
Shubhanga K also doesn’t hurt to mention, the more rigid the structure, the more impact load is transferred to the cabin occupants. So a structure built from front to centre in a progressively weak to strong fashion generally results in less g-force transferred to the human body.
I think that was more a result of l, rather than a reason for... mostly because, like he said when the front engined cars came about, there weren't massive speeds, so there weren't many major accidents
As if exploding more
this isn't true at all... your decreasing the crumple zone of the car which is the exact opposite of keeping people safe. This is the logical equivalent of putting a bolder under a trampoline to help break a fall
James: mo powah
Nolan:
*MO TOKE*
Hope he keeps saying it 😔
**MO TOWKE BABEH**
"Moar poweh, moar toke" 😂😂
"I'm a registered word-perv" - that nolan dude from Donut Media
Makes me wish Bart was still around to do science garage, a transition to his kitchen would be awesome
Dakuwa plus his over the top enthusiasm, that was the best part!!!
Dakuwa did he leave donut or something?
Tribitts Olden he left to spend more time with family I’m pretty sure
All my early cars were front engine, rear drive. It was ordinary and I learned to drift around curves. Yeah, I learned to drive in Italy. In college, cost drove me to drive a VW Beetle. Great traction in snow. Remember it was all the rage in those days to see how many people you could get in a Beetle and still drive? I had the local record: 17 people. Sure, some were kids but a people is a people! The Beetle needed an EMPI rear axle stabilizer to avoid the wheel tucking under the car; it took some skill to drift around curves. Oversteer was the issue.
After college my uncle, Uncle Sam, sent me to Germany for 3 years. Bought a used Citroën DS. Wow, what a car. Not only did the front wheel drive out perform everything else on ice and snow (Germany), but the air suspension constantly leveled the car. On the Autobahn I would put my cup of coffee on the dashboard and go around the curves at 100mph without the coffee cup sliding or sloshing. Great car. Sold me on air suspension and FWD. Check out the Citroën DS on Jay Leno's Garage.
Oh, and the headlights were linked with the steering wheel so they turned to illuminate curves at night. Fifty years later I still wonder why other manufacturers did not provide this feature.
We, my wife and I, have had several FWDs over the years. But, I did live in Italy as a teen. Got a soft spot in my head, uhh, heart, for sporty Italian cars. We've had 3 Alfa Romeos and one BMW Z3. All great on mountain roads, easy to control.
Which brings me to the best handling model. The Alfa Romeo Alfetta. It was front engine, rear transmission. Exceptional balance and control. The challenge was that the drive shaft spun at the same RPM as the motor. (Transmission in the rear.) This was really hard on the rubber doughnut universal joints. Not to worry, I got quite competent at replacing them every 20-30k miles. The best part was that the Alfetta could go to any SCCA event right off the showroom floor and be competitive.
Now, why do I tell this story? Back in 2013 I bought a Cadillac ATS, all wheel drive, for my sweet wife. We live in Colorado, ice and snow here just like Germany. Citroën had left the American market so it was not an option. We had lived in Italy for 5 years before returning to the US so Alfa just wasn't the same as in the old days. After looking at several options, the ATS won over the BMW 320. So much for fahrvergnügen. Wait, that was a different company.
Wow. The Cadillac ATS is a sleeper. It handles better than the Alfetta, is exceptional on ice and snow, on dry pavement it runs 0-60 in about 5 seconds. It's been low cost to maintain. I'm impressed. GM finally got something right. FWD / AWD / 4WD are all the best options in Colorado.
Oh, and if you use your turn signals, the ATS' headlights rotate to shine around curves on mountain roads. Very Citroënesque! I still wonder why it took 50 years to get headlights that show the driver the curve.
Great read!
My mom's former 2005 Lexus RX330 CUV had Xenon headlights that would rotate when you turned the steering wheel. The only issue is that it would only work 15 mph and higher I believe, so driving around my neighborhood at 10 mph around turns would not really turn the headlights. But since the xenon lights were so wide, you don't really need to have the rotating feature at low speeds, which is probably why the engineers designed the system like that. I believe other luxury car companies have this technology too, probably starting around the same time as Lexus.
Damn, what a life, I'm jealous
Wow, great story! How is the ATS better than the Alfetta?! I have very similar car tastes, so it is interesting to hear why you like the ATS so much! I might have to get one :)
The center headlight turned with the wheels on the 1948 Tucker Torpedo. Yes, that should have been standard equipment on most cars several decades ago.
I think your points are great, in particular when it comes to cars for private ownership. Where I struggle to apply your analysis is with the success of the rear engine 911 platform in racing. That is until I started watching the IMSA GT3 & GT4 series, I began to notice rarely if ever do drivers with a history of initiating rear contact (example the Lexus team) to get past competitor, attempt to nudge a 911. They'll (again the Lexus team) nudge front engine car, they'll nudge a mid-engine car, those few times I've seen a competitor attempt to nudge the rear axle of a 911 (ex C8 Corvette at Sebring) , it's always ended badly for the nudger rather than the nudgee (the 911). Perhaps what I have observed is coincidental. On the other hand, having some an idea of how the german mind works (being of German descent), the Germans have decided the benefit of putting the rear engine directly over the rear axle (eliminating the moment arm for the rear axle altogether) attribute serves to minimize what they cannot control and then they have chosen to manage the negative characteristics to preserve this trait that reduces vulnerability to what is outside their control (a-hole competitors). thoughts?
6:48 “ended production after the 1969 model year” *Nice*
at least production lasted longer than 420 A.D.
The way Nolan is so close to the camera kinda seems like a v-sauce video
I think he’s filming from home due to corona
Ya I was gonna say the frame rate was a bit off in some parts. Then I realized he probably filmed from home
@@ifyouthinkthisworldisbad webcam gang
12:51
He's not wearing any pants.
Nolan: front engine cars are more spacious
Koenigsegg gemera: do I mean nothing to you
@@riskyy2657 no
The exact thought I had when he said that
Riskyy adopt a puppy
@@riskyy2657 cringe
i watched the whole video, even with the quick answer you presented.... can't believe it :))) knowing the answer before the explanation, made listening to it, more enjoyable. Thank you
“You’re in the science zone bi-*beep*”. That line made me a subscriber
"Which sold like toilet paper in a quarantine"
Am dead😂
I could immediately tell when the video started playing that Nolan recorded this at home from the audio quality...
COVID19 has officially started to take its toll.
and the green screen
@@mg1721 Webcams are notorious for this. High exposure, low frames.
Tru. Still quality content though
The slight degradation in quality doesn't effect the content in a video like this. Not observing quarantine rules is irresponsible.
I had a 1970 beetle for a while, Loved it so much, I love an air-cooled rear engine!
My Father has a 1972 Volkswagen Beetle and the engine sounds amazing.
After watching the video I have something to say
WE WANT BRAT AND SCIENCE GARAGE BACK.
Like so that donut can know what we want.
Prince what happened to him
@@ghostpro1293 true that
@Michael Metz you figure starting a family, he would need some serious loot, unless of course he married a sugar-momma.
I miss Science Garage too... 😭
@@thereluctanthipster9714 Ya bro
5:25
thats the most sick gear change i've ever seen
Gran Turismo suddenly makes sense without effort 😂
BRING THIS GUY BACK ON! So fun.
Does this mean we’ll be getting “MO TOKE” shirts?!?!
Ian Estes mo powa, mo toke, n ooowee, mo smoke
tbh I would totally buy a mo toke shirt 😂
I'd buy a MO TOKE shirt
When he said "Buckle up babe"
I legit looked behind me 💀
There's a dumb idea: rear-engine with FWD.
A 4wd Porsche with the rear drive shafts removed? 🤷♂️ I know it's possible to remove front drive on the 996 at least, so why not remove rear drive instead 🤠
Koenigsegg Gemera is a rear-engine with FWD car. :)
@@gabrielwaterkemper8456 its all wheel drive , the front wheels are powered by the electric motors, and the rear wheels are powered by the 3 cylinder engine.
@@f18murderhornet It's awd but the 3cyl sends the power to the front wheels
There's one unusual car that exists with that layout, it's called Dymaxion
yall did a good job for having to record this at home! looks good for not having professional equiment!
the end when they cut off his audio about his purpose in life😭😭😭
Yeah wtf did he say after??
I want to know
Tommy was it Lost in Translation??
EliasTheHunter I think it’s just a funny joke about nobody caring about his purpose in life
Tommy oh I assume so too. But there’s a similar ending to Lost in Translation, if you care to watch it.
2:27 the first "cuh" burn out
I have a mid engine car. True, it only has 2 seats; but i dont ever ferry more than just me and my gf, if not me alone.
Best thing is the 2 trunks. The trunk is a bit tight, but the frunk has TONS of space. I love it
"Mo Toke" LOL love it
Toyota mr2, mid engines are so freaking amazing. Plus the headlights.
💚👍💚👍👌
2025: "so we replaced engines with batteries"
You know, EVs still have engines.............
Actually several of them.
Gas tanks are replaced with batteries.
Jaroslav Jůza But most of the weight is in the batteries and not the motors. And they are usually placed on the bottom/center, this leads to some exceptional handling.
@@AdrianSchwizgebel This! I drive a Model 3 RWD with suspension and tire mods. The car rotates in such a direct and controllable manner. I crush my old Evo's lap time by 4 seconds even though the Tesla has a lower hp to weight ratio. Its like having the weight ratio of a mid engine sports car in a 4 door, rear wheel drive, sedan with instant torque.
A Tesla Model S,3,X,Y and Cybertruck: we all have no engine
Tesla model 3 makes you unconfortable in autopilot
Started watching this channel two weeks ago and I love all this info. I like cars but this rabbit hole has blessed my life 👍🏾👍🏾
4:34 Grandpa drifting
Mid engine: drove a Lotus once, that thing handled like a dream!
Rear engine: owned a 75 VW bug for a while, the front end was so light and wheels so skinny you'd understeer anywhere. Actually almost got t-boned by one for that very reason
Fwd transverse: driven a few. Prone to torque steer, snappy, but less fun to drive. Also easy to park (that would make a good video if you're reading these)
AWD 4wh independent suspension Subaru: handles fantastic. Snow drifting is hella fun and predictable. Stable at any speed.
Front engine RWD: driven a scat pack challenger and plenty of pickups. Too easy to brake the tires loose due to the light rear end. Easy to slide.
wdym snow drifting is predictable?
@@skrmnghrd4520 unlike RWD snow drifting, AWD will always seek to go in the direction you're pointed. It is also less prone to loosing control on ice as all 4 wheels are moving.
2040: "anyway, the entire car is engine now"
Tesla but with motors 😂
@@ninjabieber7695 teslas are gay, change my mind
@@yo-nq9wr I mean true since a lot of car owners are male so tesla could be gay but we will never know till we get an update that makes the car have a convo with you
@@ninjabieber7695 finally, someone speaking my language!
@@yo-nq9wr yesirr
Drove my friend's dad's modena 360 spider around a track many moons ago, what a joy! Really the only exotic I've ever laid hands on.
2:10 understood, have a nice day.
*this is what got me into cars' engines*
thank you donut media, thank you
(I was here in 2018, and came back now in order to check what's up)
I saw a c8 the other day in a parking lot when I was driving around my boss, and I said “Look!” And he goes “is that a Ferrari?” I’m like... yes but with more freedom
I hate those kind of people
I finally saw a C8 in person last weekend while riding 2-up with my wife on one of my motorcycles. I pointed it out to my wife and we both agree that it does look a lot like a Ferrari. I'm quite content with my 2016 C7 Z51 1LT 7-speed for now.
More freedom and way more pleather. At least in 5 years you can get one for the price of an 8 year old Accord.
No offense to the other guys from the channel, just started watching, but he’s my favorite, I feel like he explains things the best
Who thought science garage is back😢😢
A.refaat me bro this shit isn’t the same without him
I miss Science Garage too.
But this will suffice!
hopefully they bring him back
I was hopeful
what ever happened to bart?
For a second I thought science garage was back, why do you do this to us😭. Love the video and hope to see Bart back some day.
Last time I was this early, James dad hadn’t left yet.
You must've been here before Donut was even made!
2:53 «When you’re traveling at the speed of smell»😂😂 I love the way he said that so casually
Yes! This why I freaking love Donut Media🙌👏🏎️🏁
This was always a question I had! Who else misses Science Garage?
RAM CHARGERS
Ideal school
Automotive teacher: donut media
Lunch Chef: Gordon Ramsey
Add more to the list
@ThePatUltra oh HELL no, Jordan is super discriminatory. For psychology it would definitely be Carl Rogers.
@ThePatUltra ......kay
@@lsnqkcnqkpnkpsnqpjcbpq he isnt though
@@marcusgotosleep4853 yes he is, look up what he did to a transgender student that was in one of his classes
Science: Bill Nye, The Science Guy