The NES mini is assuming that it's being played on a modern wide screen display (which is why the menu screens look stretched vertically). It adds the bars to maintain the original aspect ratio of the games. In the video settings of the console switch the ratio to 16:9 and the games will fill the screen.
Exactly, he’s converting from HDMI to analog. Which while nifty isn’t what is expected most people will be doing. Try the screen stretch settings in the Mini.
Unfortunately for this use-case, the NES classic doesn't include a 'fill screen' option. Just the normal 4:3, and a 'pixel perfect' mode that squashes the video side-to-side a little but eliminates shimmering when things scroll horizontally. it's an artifact of the original CRT TVs not intended to display perfectly square pixels like modern screens do. This is a problem they fixed in the SNES mini.
Here is the issue I am seeing, the NES classic defaults to "Pixel Perfect," that will not display properly on a CRT. It looks too narrow. You have to use the 4:3 setting WITHOUT scanlines, unless you want them to be doubled. There will be a little lag even if it is a real NES Classic, that is just unavoidable with emulation. Nice vid.
Thanks, I actually filmed messing with the screen settings but didn't include it in the video, but during the video the 4:3 setting was selected. I did try all three settings and on my CRT the graphics never filled the screen like the original NES does, so I guess that's just the way the NES Classic games look. I see the same results in other videos as well. So far I'm loving both of these mini systems!
So I also modded my NES classic, and SNES classic if you download onto your PC the modding software Hakchi While you’re device is hooked up to your PC, you can go into the options and change the file format so that you don’t have individual folders, but rather all the games are displayed all on the same menu. 😊
Aside from the aspect ratio problem that everyone mentioned, you are also converting a digital signal to analog and likely introducing input latency along with some visual degradation. These devices are made for modern tvs. You are better off buying an Everdrive flash cart to play on your original NES to play on your CRT, and store your NES Classic Mini for whatever modern tv you have in your home.
Great video and comparison. I’ve seen one person comment that you just have to switch the NES classic to 4:3 and it will display correctly on your CRT. That is 100% false. Someone else said that the NES classic has a 16:9 setting. That is also 100% false. It won’t display properly on your CRT regardless of settings. I will never understand why people make completely false comments on videos.
Good video, I liked the comparisons....I have several of the mini systems, I also still have my original consoles and games which all still work....The thing I like about the mini consoles is the fact it's more portable but typically if I'm at home I usually play the actual games on the original consoles, they just feel different to me than the emulation, although the mini consoles with the emulation are great too, I have never done a side by side comparison like you did here, though. If I did it might help confirm whether I can tell the games play differently or if it's just my nostalgia feeling of popping in a cartridge into an original console, it could be a little of both I guess...Really enjoyed your unboxing and demo video, NES was a good system with a lot of memorable games.👍
As others have said, the NES Classic Mini is assuming it's plugged into a modern 16:9 aspect ratio HDMI television, not a 4:3 standard analog set. You need to switch the system's aspect ratio in the settings menu.
Unfortunately for this use-case, the NES classic doesn't include a 'fill screen' option. Just the normal 4:3, and a 'pixel perfect' mode that squashes the video side-to-side a little but eliminates shimmering when things scroll horizontally. it's an artifact of the original CRT TVs not intended to display perfectly square pixels like modern screens do. This is a problem they fixed in the SNES mini.
Id love to buy one of each of these. I want to keep my original classic systems un modded and want to play every single NES/SNES game 🎮 in these classic consoles. This is the perfect way to do it.
You got to understand, you have a HDMI to AB Adapter, It doesn't convert it to 4:3..If your playing it on my Newer TV, it will look right I have the HDMI to AV Adapter & a NES Classic, I went in RetroArch change the Video to 16:9, and it looks like normal playing on a CRT, That's why it's like that
YT algorithm in your favor. Nice video! I have both a modded NES and SNES Classic. They are the same hardware wise with 256MB on-board storage. You can add the entire library of NES games on the system w/o USB storage so I'm not sure what the original modder's thought was. My NES has all NES titles, and I picked around the top 100 of the Famicom (Eng friendly) Atari 2600, GB, GBC, SMS and PC-E/TG-16 non-CD, all loaded on-board with plenty of space. (Going above 200MB can cause issues) My SNES has an SDCard slot mod with 32GB card. That one is loaded with all SNES games, NES, and basically every system below the N64/PS1 and that includes Sega CD and PCE/TG-16 CD. I got two BT adapters from 8bitdo on it and I use old Wii U Pro Controllers with it. Anymore though, I just use an Analogue Pocket and Dock with the CRT filter and it is damn good and responsive. What are you using for the HDMI to Composite adapter? Maybe that is part of the ratio issue? I did just pick up an NES really cheap and a CRT. I have a flash cart coming soon so I hope to be checking out Zelda on original hardware and CRT once again. Personally, on the cheap, a modded Wii and a Classic controller will cover all your NES/SNES needs. I can't say how it will look exactly on a CRT compared to the real deal but there are palette options. Of course you can use the controllers from the mini systems on your Wii and vise-versa. I know, lota rambling I guess.
Thanks, and that's some really great info so thanks for taking the time to write everything. I'm still just getting into emulators and so far I'm loving it. I'm sure this is just the beginning! ETA: BTW, the adapters I used are actually linked in the video description. I had zero issues when I hooked up the SNES Classic, all of the games were nearly indistinguishable from an actual SNES which I showed in that video. So I don't know why the NES Classic looks like that...
I did the same with my Nes Classic, can put all of the Nes and Snes games you want on there, then use a converter plug that will let you use an Snes controller on the Nes Classic. It is very nice its HDMI but I have a 32" Sony Trinitron I wish I could use on it. I suppose with my HDMI to Composite converter plug I could plug in my Nes classic that way, but it feels like it sort of defeats the purpose of having the Nes classic lol
Weird that you insist on a CRT for authenticity while using emulation. Ironically, this is the source of the distorted image. The NES classic is not designed for a CRT, it’s designed for a modern flat panel. Whatever DAC you’re using to display it on a CRT is squeezing the 16:9 image into 4:3. I recommend you look into getting a flash cart. They can be a bit pricy, but they allow you to play any game on real hardware, on a CRT, in a manner indistinguishable from using original cartridges.
Then why does the SNES classic that is also emulation not have the same problem and fills out the CRT screen perfectly fine? Reading these comments it’s very clear that most people don’t know what they’re talking about.
Also, as I watch more of the video you are totally wrong about the "DAC" squeezing the image into 4:3 as he clearly showed another person's NES classic being played on a modern display and it is also 4:3, and my NES classic that is the original unit with no mods also displays 4:3 on my 2023 television.
@@Movatadane the NES classic output is 16:9. The game image is 4:3, but the black bars at the sides of the game are part of the image the NES classic is transmitting. The DAC is squeezing that 16:9 image, with the black boarder, into 4:3.
@@gammaphonic The point is, contrary to your original comment emulation works fine on a CRT unless the emulation is flawed from the get-go. This could be avoided if the emulation allowed for different aspect ratio settings of 4:3 or 16:9 but instead the emulation forces a 4:3 display game image at all times. You can clearly see in the settings that there is no 16:9 option on the NES classic. That’s why it isn’t an issue with the converter. That’s why the SNES classic doesn’t have the issue and works fine on a CRT as he shows in his other video because it has correct emulation.
@@Movatadane the NES classic always outputs 16:9. It displays the 4:3 game in a 16:9 frame. The reason his SNES doesn’t appear squeezed is because it is stretching the games to fill the 16:9 frame. This is clearly visible in the video he made on that device. The DAC is then squeezing that stretched image back to its original aspect ratio. I didn’t say there is anything wrong with using emulation on a CRT. Only that it’s a bit odd to use emulation if you’re trying to achieve an authentic experience.
Then why does the SNES classic that is also emulation not have the same problem and fills out the CRT screen perfectly fine? Also, the NES classic doesn't have a widescreen option as far as I'm aware. Reading these comments it’s very clear that most people on here don’t know what they’re talking about.
maybe they're talking about retro arch but it really seems like I remember a secret s settings mode that was discovered but it's been a while. That may have been the ps mini
@@Movatadane You're talking about the fake SNES classic that plays games stretched out to 16:9 on HDMI, which is their wrong aspect. So of course that particular console looks good converted to 4:3 CRT.
When it comes to the controller extension cables, I actually needed to have two of them in order to have enough length to reach the console from my couch. My NES Mini sits about 6 to 7 feet from my TV and using just one of them wasn't enough. I should have bought two sets of extension cables at the time when I bought my NES Mini at Best Buy. As for the games on my NES Mini, I found an application which runs through my computer that allowed me to patch the NES Mini's operating system to allow me to upload my own game ROMs onto it. With the amount of memory space that the NES Mini has on it, I could upload every game made for it onto the console itself. Instead, I just uploaded my personal favorites onto the console. I have over 100 games currently on it.
I don't have the mini, but I've watched a lot of videos about the emulation and what I think may be up is there should be settings for aspect ratio for the screen, pixel size or ratio, and color filters. I've never seen a video where emulation gets it perfect, but you can get it closer. Good to know about the fakes, I hadn't thought of that, but of course it makes since.
I have the Nes classic back when it first launched, managed to find two of them at a local Walmart at like 2am.. but the nerdy clerk with glasses running the only lane open (before self checkout at the time was everywhere) and he would only let me buy ONE of them. I was mad, but glad I grabbed one. I never did grab a Snes Classic though new from the store, so I still need to get one, but felt like it was not needed since I could just put all the Snes classic games onto my Nes Classic, but had to get a Snes Controller converter plug to plug into it.
Over the year, I convinced myself that I wasn't good at SMB3 due to emulators. I mean, beefy PC emulating a NES, that can't be slow. I bought an original nes, with original SMB3 and played on my CRT. Well, I was really good at convincing myself 😂 It happens that muscle memory can last 30 years 😅 Game a thousand time "easier", flying through the levels, not like the best speedrunner, but way better than what I was doing on emulator. I bought a N8, put all the games and tried Quart and Circus Charlie, same thing ^^ And those are not fast paced games, but timing is still very important. So, I shopped for the gun, tried duck-hunt and saw I didn't lose my hand. Later, I got a guest at home, showed him the nes. He said he was good at shooting games when seeing the gun. So, I had him play duck-hunt. He had many troubles and accused the gun, so I played with the gun from my waist (it's how I played as a kid). Hit all the ducks😂 So, he wanted to do round 2 and lost it. Then I put "wild gunman", because you don't need much aiming. But you need some reflexes. He got obliterated😅 Yeah, you're good 😅 And then he said he was better at fighting games on the SNES, so I showed the SNES 😂😂😂 We didn't play the SNES 😁 Morale of the story: don't say you're good at nes games to a guy who invested in retro gaming unless you're really good ^^ It's a joy to see people who master games, so you'll be challenged ^^
The famicon mini is worse. Has short cables but hard wired so cannot make them longer. I have it hooked up in the car cause about the only place to use it.
Luckily I have an original cart to play on my original console but it would be nice if it was on my modded SNES Classic. I'm just getting into emulation and learning about it so one day I will have a complete system 👍
I always thought they kind of needed another NES classic with just the sports games, Tecmo SB is obvious #1, but Pro Wrestling, Bases Loaded, MLB, Ice Hockey, Super Dodgeball, track and field, Rad Racer, Super Sprint, etc etc It was such a great console. What I noticed though is that my controller was not as responsive especially when playing Punch out.
There’s no shame in playing Zelda. It’s been my favorite game since 1987 Easter and I just played through it recently with only the wooden sword. Still strong!!
I just boy original gear, if I can afford it. There's something about struggling with getting the game to work in the slot. Kinda like love for the first time.
Yeah if you want to play on a CRT and have the orginal hardware an everdrive make much more sense. You can use the minis on your normal tv or a fun thing for going to friends. You can put all the NES and SNES and SEGA and ATARI onto that nes mini. Although I think you are actually better off only putting the best of on there. Having everything on there just makes it harder to choose. You could also look into the Mister.
I agree, and I think it has to do with the anti-seizure flashing screen suppression filter. And it’s more noticeable with the RF scanline filter on, which seems to be a more complex shader than the SNES uses.
I'm pretty sure that's what is causing the differences between the NES mini and my original NES console because my modded SNES doesn't have any of the issues that this NES has. It has to be the emulation itself.
My favorite NES game was the chibi Superman game. I've been trying to find a way to play short of buying an original NES. Although I would totally buy the game again. The Atari consoles can add games. Can this do the same? The bars are because they assume you are on a new TV. Many new sets will let you set up for 480P, which is an old set.
I’ve owned one of these since it came out and modded it right away. My opinion is that the color is terrible. The Switch’s NES emulator colors are terrible as well. NEStopia and Mesen on my PC have colors much closer to my actual NES.
The NES emulation is programmed for HD 16:9 widescreen video. What are you using to convert HDMI to composite SD 4:3 video for the CRT? A cheap adapter is not going to fix and stretch the aspect. My $30 PlayStation Classic literally has full sets of dozens of systems on a 32GB flash drive plus loads of other goodies, like HD widescreen Mario 64. The full RetroArch menu also lets you set any aspect ratio you want. I like 16:10, fills the screen more on HD. But I could choose full 16:9 screen and it would look normal output to a CRT. You can run RetroArch on a $20 Android box and get better results. and not have to search through dozens of folders either.
My totally not modded Wii may or many not have all the game on it. So it's kinda redundant to own a SNES or NES classic. The Wii classic and pro controllers are top tier tho.
The black bars down the sides are because it's been made to have a 4×3 picture on a modern widscreen tv, same issue with movies and tv episodes that were originally made in 4x3 all the Blu-ray, dvds and streaming services add the bars as they are expected to be played on s widescreen tv as that has been the standard for the last 25 years, you can stretch the picture back out using a scaler but its not perfect.
Thanks for the info. One of the reasons I was wondering about the black bars was because the modded SNES Classic I have fills the screen of the CRT just like the original NES/SNES, but I know there might be some differences at least from what little I know about emulation.
Playing MTP on a non-CRT TV is a problem: I can no longer beat Sandman on it and Tyson is not as hard as Sandman on a new TV...The strange thing is--I could be one step of him all of the time if playing the CRT(hitting him more than most and dodging his punches, as well)...
I was curious as my original snes doesn't work on my modern tv, so i had i got a snes mini, and i couldn't see any difference, other than the upscaling to 1080p, but it seemed like the emulation was much better than @games devices for example.
I have the extensions, and they do cause a lag in the controls. Definitely sucks when you need definitive/quick movement in certain game. Could also be the ROM. All the games ARE the actual game. They're just ripped from the original game program. Why they appear "different".
My SNES Classic is modded with an SD card that holds all the games. I use an adapter to connect to my Sharp CRT. I have a full review on that setup: ua-cam.com/video/100AeDOrji0/v-deo.html
Another way to tell a knockoff which is very easy to spot, the knockoff controller has 2 extra turbo buttons that are not on the Nintendo licensed controllers.
I don’t know if anyone has already tried, but if you go into the display settings on the nes mini Home Screen and set the aspect ratio to 4:3 that may solve your black bars problem. The other options are pixel perfect, and CRT filter. Pixel perfect is more for HD TV’s as the screen shimmers whilst scrolling, and crt filter is self explanatory. Also I don’t know what box you are using to convert the HDMI signal to AV, but is there a switch or setting on that?
Pushes CRT as the only true way to play. Plays his video games with a fucked off malformed aspect ratio. Not a lot of faith in the average person identifying that the image doesn't even fill the screen. Yeah, that about tracks. Emulation has nothing to do with this by the way. You're taking a 16:9 source and shoving it in a 4:3 destination and that makes it worse when that 16:9 source renders a 4:3 inside that window which just gets squished to high hell on your CRT. If you use RetroArch instead, you can set it to render in true 4:3 instead and not have this issue.
It's funny how no one has yet responded to this reply, so let's try again with you shall we? ::: Then why does the SNES Classic hooked up with the exact same converter on the exact same CRT look nearly indistinguishable from an original SNES console? It has nothing to do with the CRT, the converter, or anything else, it has to do with the emulation that was used for the NES games on the NES Classic. The original NES Classic emulation looks exactly the same.
First off, your console absolutely looks authentic. And the Hackchi mod does NOT work on counterfeits. The rest of my message may be a little but technical, but I tried to keep it simple. I hope it helps you understand why the video looks off on a CRT. It's probably been said, but the Original NES and the Classic Mini are sending different video signals intended for different types of monitors. The original system sends a specific 320x240 image to the CRT TVs and they know how to display it properly. The NES Mini is sending a widescreen 720p signal. (1280x720) It doesn't even know how to talk to a CRT. But it will look correct proportional on a modern monitor. The NES mini's signal includes black bars on the sides so that the game will look correct on a widescreen. Most solutions that convert modern display signals to something a CRT can understand will convert the Classic's 720p signal to a standard CRT interlaced 640i signal that your CRT can understand. This is still going to look a little wrong on your TV because the black bars are part of the video and they get squashed into the TV screen along with the game. Getting the signal to a true 240p to match the original NES requires some more specialized hardware to convert the signal, and some technical knowhow on how to set it up. From what I can deduce from your video, it looks like the best you can do with the equipment you have will be to go into the NES Classic's display settings and choose 4:3 instead of pixel perfect. (Even when connected to a modern monitor, 4:3 mode is how the games looked on CRTs. Pixel perfect mode accounts for another element of putting these games on modern screens that is well outside of this issue). this will be the closest you can fix the image unless there are settings on your video converter that you can dig into to correct it even more. The NES mini is a fantastic console for what it is, but it really wasn't made with CRTs in mind. Good luck!! Edit: The controls may feel laggy if the video converter isn't fast enough to convert the signal in true real time. it depends on the quality of your converter. Though any conversion will add a frame or two of lag, not matter what because it does take time to convert the signal. It's literally unavoidable. Even when playing on a modern TV which will convert the signal on it's own to make it fill whatever panel size you have.
NES mini looks bad on CRT because it was meant to be played on a HDTV thats why it has a HDMI also the input lag converting digital to analog signal shesshh
And yet my modded SNES Classic has none of the problems the NES Classic has when played through the same converter on the same CRT but so far none of you "experts" in the comments have even tried to explain why that is. I wonder why. Maybe it's because the issues with the NES Classic have nothing to do with the CRT or the converter and instead are caused by the actual emulation... Yeah, pretty sure that's it and all of you "experts" are completely wrong.
I really want both of these or something similar or better if possible.I grew up with these games. Want all NES/SNES/ & GENESIS games the most & also would like sum Neo Geo/Nintendo 64/Gamecube/etc. CAN YOU & OR ANY1 IN THE COMMENTS PLEASE GIVE ME SUGGESTIONS & OR LINKS TO SOME OF THE BEST OPTIONS,(& the prices)THERE'S SO MANY TO CHOOSE FROM & I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO PICK. I'LL REALLY APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH! Don't want anything crazy technical where I have to change a bunch of stuff I'm not good with computer's I just wanna plug & play the old school games I grew up with. THX ahead of time to you or any1 who responds. (Sorry so long 🙂I just really want 1)
You're acting like emulation sucks compared to the original, but if you had any idea how to modify your own hardware, your NES Classic would perform identically to what you remember.
If you would've actually watched the video he doesn't say the emulation sucks at all. He did say that the colors are off, the controls have lag, and the emulation doesn't fill the screen of the CRT which is all true. You cannot get the NES classic to have correct colors, zero lag, and the correct aspect ratio no matter how you "modify your own hardware". If you can, then back up what you're saying by posting a video of your setup on an original CRT proving it. Which you will not be able to do.
@@billydelacey No dumb dumb, it has nothing to do with the CRT LOL some people reaIIy are DAF. No matter WHAT you pIay the emulator on, it will still have the problems with incorrect color, control lag, etc. This is common knowledge but you have to not be a pompous DF to understand. That's why the original console on a CRT will always be better than any kind of emulator ya dumb prlck.
@@billydelacey except a CRT TV will have the least amount of lag when compared to modern TVs/displays so what you said about the CRT TV causing the issues is not true at all.
I was at an Air Bnb recently and they had a NES Classic for tenants to play which was cool so when I played the games it was horrible. Knockoff to the bone. Sure the games were there but the games were modified. Contra wasn't right, 10 Yard Fight had a timer and all the games were modified and I didn't enjoy the games like the real games that I have original so I don't what's up with that. The controllers were shit as well and knock off cheap plastic controllers and I couldn't play the games right.
Great video & I appreciate your passion for retro gaming. However, I really wish you would refrain from encouraging people to go out and try to get a CRT television. It causes a supply & demand problem. All of a sudden everyone feels the need to acquire one & CRT collectors like myself can no longer afford them. When flatscreens first came out, you could not even give CRT’s away. They now sell for hundreds of dollars on ebay & even in some goodwill stores. This is frustrating.
If you are a CRT collector of sorts, then why did you not collect all the CRT's you wanted when people were giving them all away for free, or for a "Hauling" fee...Pretty much haul it and have it for free like any other ancient tech you may have enjoyed or had "Nostalgia" for. So why does the price increase matter for some technology that is very old and also very rare almost now because of that reason above...everybody trying to give away what they thought was junk when some knew it wasn't. Still don't need to pay those ebay prices though.. Craigslist still has plenty of free ones, just stay away from any ad that says "Retro" or "rare" in the title.. Most of the old tubes got thrown in the landfill during that new tv boom.. There is hardly any supply left to not have high demand since ppl are wanting the retro whatever.. Though if you want to just play some games..go with retroarch and save your self money. I had collected enough old CRT monitors and televisions, that I gave them away almost when the retro stuff started booming and just kept the best of the best ones I've came across to other people who really wanted to use it. So how are you a CRT collector when you should have already had them to begin with?
Where do people buy these old systems? I’m 50 and not tech savvy as my son tells me. I still have my n64 but have ps1 games and ps2 games I can’t play……..
Original systems have to be picked up 2nd hand from where 2nd hand things are usually available (second hand stores, private sellers). The mini consoles were notoriously hard to get a hold of as they didn't make enough of them to meet demand and are now discontinued, discontinued too quick as well, so again can only be picked up 2nd hand as they bypassed a lot of people's radar. They occasionally pop up in 2nd hand stores but were really hard to find even at time of release. Stores like CeX are more likely to sell at a reasonable price as apposed to private sellers on eBay who are often scalpers or con men.
Then why does the SNES Classic hooked up with the exact same converter on the exact same CRT look nearly indistinguishable from an original SNES console? It has nothing to do with the CRT, the converter, or anything else, it has to do with the emulation that was used for the NES games on the NES Classic. The original NES Classic emulation looks exactly the same.
Well.. you've acquired one at last..late to the party as they say..5 or 6 years later its good that these classic mini consoles that were all the fashion and scalped up to 2 to 3x retail price are getting some love and use..mine still sits in its box..and i also have a clone of it which is a very close copy..i never bought a Super Nintendo mini..only thing with the clones..there never was community support for anything similar to Hakchi..no way to add games..the community wasnt interested in hacking the clones..too much trouble for so few users..not worthwhile..pity..id've liked a plugin USB with an entire NES ROM pack..oh well..cant have it all
@@SamFey now that I can't help with..I never bought the Official SFC/SNES mini or a clone of it..I went through enough online research and ordering through Superbuy China store agent (which was a bloody online hassle beyond belief)...with the clone I bought...and an official one from Amazon later (which was simple)..never again i decided..enough is enough..BUT..I found out watching more UA-cam that there were also clones of the NES mini that had no save state function..so i was lucky there in my choice of buying direct from TaoBao..other sites sold worse ones..and many in the community complained about it..
@@SamFey I don't know...I never owned the SFC/SNES mini classic...it seems more popular and desirable being 16bit...than the 8bit consoles that started it all off...some things you only discover by buying and trying it out..those details often owners don't bother to impart to others in the community...you get a lot of short pointless comments on UA-cam videos...ETAPrime is a good source of information...I learnt a lot from him...if he doesn't state something...probably no-one does...useless trivia for no-one...my NES clone mini has slowdown on title screen music...it's based on an Allwinner SoC...the official NES is a custom processor Nintendo own the patent...
The screen looks weird because this modern device is actually meant to be played on a widescreen modern tv.
They have HDMI ports right
The NES mini is assuming that it's being played on a modern wide screen display (which is why the menu screens look stretched vertically). It adds the bars to maintain the original aspect ratio of the games. In the video settings of the console switch the ratio to 16:9 and the games will fill the screen.
Exactly, he’s converting from HDMI to analog. Which while nifty isn’t what is expected most people will be doing. Try the screen stretch settings in the Mini.
Unfortunately for this use-case, the NES classic doesn't include a 'fill screen' option. Just the normal 4:3, and a 'pixel perfect' mode that squashes the video side-to-side a little but eliminates shimmering when things scroll horizontally. it's an artifact of the original CRT TVs not intended to display perfectly square pixels like modern screens do. This is a problem they fixed in the SNES mini.
My favorite hockey game was Blades of Steel
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Many, many a Saturday afternoon were spent play that with my friends growing up.
Here is the issue I am seeing, the NES classic defaults to "Pixel Perfect," that will not display properly on a CRT. It looks too narrow. You have to use the 4:3 setting WITHOUT scanlines, unless you want them to be doubled. There will be a little lag even if it is a real NES Classic, that is just unavoidable with emulation. Nice vid.
Thanks, I actually filmed messing with the screen settings but didn't include it in the video, but during the video the 4:3 setting was selected.
I did try all three settings and on my CRT the graphics never filled the screen like the original NES does, so I guess that's just the way the NES Classic games look. I see the same results in other videos as well.
So far I'm loving both of these mini systems!
So I also modded my NES classic, and SNES classic if you download onto your PC the modding software Hakchi While you’re device is hooked up to your PC, you can go into the options and change the file format so that you don’t have individual folders, but rather all the games are displayed all on the same menu. 😊
Aside from the aspect ratio problem that everyone mentioned, you are also converting a digital signal to analog and likely introducing input latency along with some visual degradation. These devices are made for modern tvs. You are better off buying an Everdrive flash cart to play on your original NES to play on your CRT, and store your NES Classic Mini for whatever modern tv you have in your home.
Great video and comparison. I’ve seen one person comment that you just have to switch the NES classic to 4:3 and it will display correctly on your CRT. That is 100% false. Someone else said that the NES classic has a 16:9 setting. That is also 100% false. It won’t display properly on your CRT regardless of settings. I will never understand why people make completely false comments on videos.
You don't know if that is false. There are setting for aspect ratio that he can change and he should.
Looked great on my heavy ass early hd Trinitron @@D.AverageJoe
@@justinmarshall1744 you mean the wide-screen one?
@@D.AverageJoe yes sir
@@justinmarshall1744 that's why it looks so great. These classic systems are setup for wide-screen OOTB because that's what modern tvs use.
Good video, I liked the comparisons....I have several of the mini systems, I also still have my original consoles and games which all still work....The thing I like about the mini consoles is the fact it's more portable but typically if I'm at home I usually play the actual games on the original consoles, they just feel different to me than the emulation, although the mini consoles with the emulation are great too, I have never done a side by side comparison like you did here, though. If I did it might help confirm whether I can tell the games play differently or if it's just my nostalgia feeling of popping in a cartridge into an original console, it could be a little of both I guess...Really enjoyed your unboxing and demo video, NES was a good system with a lot of memorable games.👍
As others have said, the NES Classic Mini is assuming it's plugged into a modern 16:9 aspect ratio HDMI television, not a 4:3 standard analog set. You need to switch the system's aspect ratio in the settings menu.
Unfortunately for this use-case, the NES classic doesn't include a 'fill screen' option. Just the normal 4:3, and a 'pixel perfect' mode that squashes the video side-to-side a little but eliminates shimmering when things scroll horizontally. it's an artifact of the original CRT TVs not intended to display perfectly square pixels like modern screens do. This is a problem they fixed in the SNES mini.
Id love to buy one of each of these. I want to keep my original classic systems un modded and want to play every single NES/SNES game 🎮 in these classic consoles. This is the perfect way to do it.
You got to understand, you have a HDMI to AB Adapter, It doesn't convert it to 4:3..If your playing it on my Newer TV, it will look right
I have the HDMI to AV Adapter & a NES Classic, I went in RetroArch change the Video to 16:9, and it looks like normal playing on a CRT, That's why it's like that
YT algorithm in your favor. Nice video!
I have both a modded NES and SNES Classic. They are the same hardware wise with 256MB on-board storage. You can add the entire library of NES games on the system w/o USB storage so I'm not sure what the original modder's thought was. My NES has all NES titles, and I picked around the top 100 of the Famicom (Eng friendly) Atari 2600, GB, GBC, SMS and PC-E/TG-16 non-CD, all loaded on-board with plenty of space. (Going above 200MB can cause issues) My SNES has an SDCard slot mod with 32GB card. That one is loaded with all SNES games, NES, and basically every system below the N64/PS1 and that includes Sega CD and PCE/TG-16 CD. I got two BT adapters from 8bitdo on it and I use old Wii U Pro Controllers with it.
Anymore though, I just use an Analogue Pocket and Dock with the CRT filter and it is damn good and responsive.
What are you using for the HDMI to Composite adapter? Maybe that is part of the ratio issue?
I did just pick up an NES really cheap and a CRT. I have a flash cart coming soon so I hope to be checking out Zelda on original hardware and CRT once again.
Personally, on the cheap, a modded Wii and a Classic controller will cover all your NES/SNES needs. I can't say how it will look exactly on a CRT compared to the real deal but there are palette options. Of course you can use the controllers from the mini systems on your Wii and vise-versa.
I know, lota rambling I guess.
Thanks, and that's some really great info so thanks for taking the time to write everything.
I'm still just getting into emulators and so far I'm loving it. I'm sure this is just the beginning!
ETA: BTW, the adapters I used are actually linked in the video description. I had zero issues when I hooked up the SNES Classic, all of the games were nearly indistinguishable from an actual SNES which I showed in that video.
So I don't know why the NES Classic looks like that...
I did the same with my Nes Classic, can put all of the Nes and Snes games you want on there, then use a converter plug that will let you use an Snes controller on the Nes Classic. It is very nice its HDMI but I have a 32" Sony Trinitron I wish I could use on it. I suppose with my HDMI to Composite converter plug I could plug in my Nes classic that way, but it feels like it sort of defeats the purpose of having the Nes classic lol
Weird that you insist on a CRT for authenticity while using emulation. Ironically, this is the source of the distorted image. The NES classic is not designed for a CRT, it’s designed for a modern flat panel. Whatever DAC you’re using to display it on a CRT is squeezing the 16:9 image into 4:3.
I recommend you look into getting a flash cart. They can be a bit pricy, but they allow you to play any game on real hardware, on a CRT, in a manner indistinguishable from using original cartridges.
Then why does the SNES classic that is also emulation not have the same problem and fills out the CRT screen perfectly fine? Reading these comments it’s very clear that most people don’t know what they’re talking about.
Also, as I watch more of the video you are totally wrong about the "DAC" squeezing the image into 4:3 as he clearly showed another person's NES classic being played on a modern display and it is also 4:3, and my NES classic that is the original unit with no mods also displays 4:3 on my 2023 television.
@@Movatadane the NES classic output is 16:9. The game image is 4:3, but the black bars at the sides of the game are part of the image the NES classic is transmitting. The DAC is squeezing that 16:9 image, with the black boarder, into 4:3.
@@gammaphonic The point is, contrary to your original comment emulation works fine on a CRT unless the emulation is flawed from the get-go. This could be avoided if the emulation allowed for different aspect ratio settings of 4:3 or 16:9 but instead the emulation forces a 4:3 display game image at all times. You can clearly see in the settings that there is no 16:9 option on the NES classic. That’s why it isn’t an issue with the converter. That’s why the SNES classic doesn’t have the issue and works fine on a CRT as he shows in his other video because it has correct emulation.
@@Movatadane the NES classic always outputs 16:9. It displays the 4:3 game in a 16:9 frame. The reason his SNES doesn’t appear squeezed is because it is stretching the games to fill the 16:9 frame. This is clearly visible in the video he made on that device. The DAC is then squeezing that stretched image back to its original aspect ratio.
I didn’t say there is anything wrong with using emulation on a CRT. Only that it’s a bit odd to use emulation if you’re trying to achieve an authentic experience.
The NES & SNES is before my time N64 is my era but I did try a lot of Mario,Zelda & Metroid games from the NES/SNES era
The screen will never be original you are using a system designed for a flat screen TV. You can stretch it out using the widescreen option
Then why does the SNES classic that is also emulation not have the same problem and fills out the CRT screen perfectly fine? Also, the NES classic doesn't have a widescreen option as far as I'm aware. Reading these comments it’s very clear that most people on here don’t know what they’re talking about.
maybe they're talking about retro arch but it really seems like I remember a secret s settings mode that was discovered but it's been a while. That may have been the ps mini
@@Movatadane You're talking about the fake SNES classic that plays games stretched out to 16:9 on HDMI, which is their wrong aspect. So of course that particular console looks good converted to 4:3 CRT.
Waiting for link to order this min nes
When it comes to the controller extension cables, I actually needed to have two of them in order to have enough length to reach the console from my couch. My NES Mini sits about 6 to 7 feet from my TV and using just one of them wasn't enough. I should have bought two sets of extension cables at the time when I bought my NES Mini at Best Buy. As for the games on my NES Mini, I found an application which runs through my computer that allowed me to patch the NES Mini's operating system to allow me to upload my own game ROMs onto it. With the amount of memory space that the NES Mini has on it, I could upload every game made for it onto the console itself. Instead, I just uploaded my personal favorites onto the console. I have over 100 games currently on it.
I don't have the mini, but I've watched a lot of videos about the emulation and what I think may be up is there should be settings for aspect ratio for the screen, pixel size or ratio, and color filters. I've never seen a video where emulation gets it perfect, but you can get it closer. Good to know about the fakes, I hadn't thought of that, but of course it makes since.
I have the Nes classic back when it first launched, managed to find two of them at a local Walmart at like 2am.. but the nerdy clerk with glasses running the only lane open (before self checkout at the time was everywhere) and he would only let me buy ONE of them. I was mad, but glad I grabbed one.
I never did grab a Snes Classic though new from the store, so I still need to get one, but felt like it was not needed since I could just put all the Snes classic games onto my Nes Classic, but had to get a Snes Controller converter plug to plug into it.
I believe you are having color issues because you are using a hdmi to analong converter , they wash the colors out completely. That’s your issue
I was so excited when I heard the OG minis were coming then I heard how few games they would have. After that all thought of buying one left my mind.
Over the year, I convinced myself that I wasn't good at SMB3 due to emulators. I mean, beefy PC emulating a NES, that can't be slow.
I bought an original nes, with original SMB3 and played on my CRT. Well, I was really good at convincing myself 😂
It happens that muscle memory can last 30 years 😅
Game a thousand time "easier", flying through the levels, not like the best speedrunner, but way better than what I was doing on emulator.
I bought a N8, put all the games and tried Quart and Circus Charlie, same thing ^^ And those are not fast paced games, but timing is still very important.
So, I shopped for the gun, tried duck-hunt and saw I didn't lose my hand.
Later, I got a guest at home, showed him the nes. He said he was good at shooting games when seeing the gun.
So, I had him play duck-hunt. He had many troubles and accused the gun, so I played with the gun from my waist (it's how I played as a kid). Hit all the ducks😂
So, he wanted to do round 2 and lost it.
Then I put "wild gunman", because you don't need much aiming. But you need some reflexes. He got obliterated😅
Yeah, you're good 😅
And then he said he was better at fighting games on the SNES, so I showed the SNES 😂😂😂
We didn't play the SNES 😁
Morale of the story: don't say you're good at nes games to a guy who invested in retro gaming unless you're really good ^^
It's a joy to see people who master games, so you'll be challenged ^^
weird flex but ok
The famicon mini is worse. Has short cables but hard wired so cannot make them longer. I have it hooked up in the car cause about the only place to use it.
super Metroid is definitely a game that if missing would hurt
Luckily I have an original cart to play on my original console but it would be nice if it was on my modded SNES Classic.
I'm just getting into emulation and learning about it so one day I will have a complete system 👍
@@stevedotmoneyThere are tutorials out thereon UA-cam so u can add the missing game to the mini
I always thought they kind of needed another NES classic with just the sports games, Tecmo SB is obvious #1, but Pro Wrestling, Bases Loaded, MLB, Ice Hockey, Super Dodgeball, track and field, Rad Racer, Super Sprint, etc etc It was such a great console. What I noticed though is that my controller was not as responsive especially when playing Punch out.
There’s no shame in playing Zelda. It’s been my favorite game since 1987 Easter and I just played through it recently with only the wooden sword. Still strong!!
Try no sword.
@@marcellachine5718 so farthest I can get with no sword is level five.
Yes, I still love Zelda and I play it at least once every couple of years. I use the original NES for that game though.
Crazy
I gotta try it again, this time right from scratch and no help from UA-cam 👍👍
I just boy original gear, if I can afford it. There's something about struggling with getting the game to work in the slot. Kinda like love for the first time.
At the game selection screen, it appears there's a display and setup cog at the top. Maybe check for screen adjustments in there.
You should buy an everdrive
I've heard of those before but never looked into one. I just looked it up and I'm definitely interested so I probably will get into them.
Yeah if you want to play on a CRT and have the orginal hardware an everdrive make much more sense. You can use the minis on your normal tv or a fun thing for going to friends. You can put all the NES and SNES and SEGA and ATARI onto that nes mini. Although I think you are actually better off only putting the best of on there. Having everything on there just makes it harder to choose. You could also look into the Mister.
one word: openemu
Would be smart to include the duck hunt gun in NES or super scope for SNES n gun for all Sega systems
I feel there is a lag in my NES games, but my SNES games work fine. I bought a modded SNES with both NES and SNES games on it.
I agree, and I think it has to do with the anti-seizure flashing screen suppression filter. And it’s more noticeable with the RF scanline filter on, which seems to be a more complex shader than the SNES uses.
There is definitely lag because ALL emulators have lag even the arcade1up emulated cabs have lag.
If I had one of these I would use my flat screen to play these games because that's what the screen setting is for lol.
Yeah the mini nes comes with a HDMI cable
Its good. Only problem is punchout is unbeatable with the lag
It also depends on the rom dump they used
I'm pretty sure that's what is causing the differences between the NES mini and my original NES console because my modded SNES doesn't have any of the issues that this NES has.
It has to be the emulation itself.
My favorite NES game was the chibi Superman game. I've been trying to find a way to play short of buying an original NES. Although I would totally buy the game again. The Atari consoles can add games. Can this do the same? The bars are because they assume you are on a new TV. Many new sets will let you set up for 480P, which is an old set.
I’ve owned one of these since it came out and modded it right away. My opinion is that the color is terrible. The Switch’s NES emulator colors are terrible as well. NEStopia and Mesen on my PC have colors much closer to my actual NES.
Ok
How do you play the zapper games?
The NES emulation is programmed for HD 16:9 widescreen video. What are you using to convert HDMI to composite SD 4:3 video for the CRT? A cheap adapter is not going to fix and stretch the aspect. My $30 PlayStation Classic literally has full sets of dozens of systems on a 32GB flash drive plus loads of other goodies, like HD widescreen Mario 64. The full RetroArch menu also lets you set any aspect ratio you want. I like 16:10, fills the screen more on HD. But I could choose full 16:9 screen and it would look normal output to a CRT. You can run RetroArch on a $20 Android box and get better results. and not have to search through dozens of folders either.
I just got the nes everdrive with all the games and play them on the original hardware
That's probably what I'll eventually end up doing 👍
if you are hooking it up to a crt then just use your original console and by a multicart
My totally not modded Wii may or many not have all the game on it. So it's kinda redundant to own a SNES or NES classic. The Wii classic and pro controllers are top tier tho.
Interesting video thanks 🙏
Awesome, glad you enjoyed it 👍
The black bars down the sides are because it's been made to have a 4×3 picture on a modern widscreen tv, same issue with movies and tv episodes that were originally made in 4x3 all the Blu-ray, dvds and streaming services add the bars as they are expected to be played on s widescreen tv as that has been the standard for the last 25 years, you can stretch the picture back out using a scaler but its not perfect.
Thanks for the info. One of the reasons I was wondering about the black bars was because the modded SNES Classic I have fills the screen of the CRT just like the original NES/SNES, but I know there might be some differences at least from what little I know about emulation.
Playing MTP on a non-CRT TV is a problem: I can no longer beat Sandman on it and Tyson is not as hard as Sandman on a new TV...The strange thing is--I could be one step of him all of the time if playing the CRT(hitting him more than most and dodging his punches, as well)...
I was curious as my original snes doesn't work on my modern tv, so i had i got a snes mini, and i couldn't see any difference, other than the upscaling to 1080p, but it seemed like the emulation was much better than @games devices for example.
I need to find out where to the memry stick with all of the games on it! How I so wanna play Little Samson on my NES Classic!
I have the extensions, and they do cause a lag in the controls. Definitely sucks when you need definitive/quick movement in certain game. Could also be the ROM. All the games ARE the actual game. They're just ripped from the original game program. Why they appear "different".
Why don't they bring back iron sword to switch?
Is having every game good? I’m gonna say yeah
There isn't enough room on the SNES classic to hold all the games...
Also, how exactly are you playing an HDMI system on CRT?
My SNES Classic is modded with an SD card that holds all the games. I use an adapter to connect to my Sharp CRT. I have a full review on that setup: ua-cam.com/video/100AeDOrji0/v-deo.html
It matters whst emulator is being used too.
Looks like you need to adjust your screen so it will fill it out.
Another way to tell a knockoff which is very easy to spot, the knockoff controller has 2 extra turbo buttons that are not on the Nintendo licensed controllers.
And Atari controller ports or usb
And round power plugs
The NES says 30 classic games. Definitely more than 30 were released in north America as last i counted i had 72. I know i dont have them all.
Can you use the Game Genie with one of these. A local antique store near me had one and im thinking of getting it
I don’t know if anyone has already tried, but if you go into the display settings on the nes mini Home Screen and set the aspect ratio to 4:3 that may solve your black bars problem. The other options are pixel perfect, and CRT filter. Pixel perfect is more for HD TV’s as the screen shimmers whilst scrolling, and crt filter is self explanatory. Also I don’t know what box you are using to convert the HDMI signal to AV, but is there a switch or setting on that?
Everyone on youtube using Whilst these days improperly instead of just While. Interesting how the english language evolves..
@@casedistorted am I in English class?
Can you play the awesome yet underrated game xexyz?
The fact that they claimed the snes classic had every North American game gave it away to me, because it doesn’t have that much memory to begin with
My SNES Classic is modded with an SD card that holds all the games. I have a full review on that setup: ua-cam.com/video/100AeDOrji0/v-deo.html
@@stevedotmoney oh nice! I enjoyed the video my man
Is that played on the original 30 games or from the USB drive?
Pushes CRT as the only true way to play. Plays his video games with a fucked off malformed aspect ratio. Not a lot of faith in the average person identifying that the image doesn't even fill the screen. Yeah, that about tracks. Emulation has nothing to do with this by the way. You're taking a 16:9 source and shoving it in a 4:3 destination and that makes it worse when that 16:9 source renders a 4:3 inside that window which just gets squished to high hell on your CRT. If you use RetroArch instead, you can set it to render in true 4:3 instead and not have this issue.
It's funny how no one has yet responded to this reply, so let's try again with you shall we? :::
Then why does the SNES Classic hooked up with the exact same converter on the exact same CRT look nearly indistinguishable from an original SNES console?
It has nothing to do with the CRT, the converter, or anything else, it has to do with the emulation that was used for the NES games on the NES Classic.
The original NES Classic emulation looks exactly the same.
First off, your console absolutely looks authentic. And the Hackchi mod does NOT work on counterfeits.
The rest of my message may be a little but technical, but I tried to keep it simple. I hope it helps you understand why the video looks off on a CRT.
It's probably been said, but the Original NES and the Classic Mini are sending different video signals intended for different types of monitors.
The original system sends a specific 320x240 image to the CRT TVs and they know how to display it properly.
The NES Mini is sending a widescreen 720p signal. (1280x720) It doesn't even know how to talk to a CRT. But it will look correct proportional on a modern monitor.
The NES mini's signal includes black bars on the sides so that the game will look correct on a widescreen.
Most solutions that convert modern display signals to something a CRT can understand will convert the Classic's 720p signal to a standard CRT interlaced 640i signal that your CRT can understand. This is still going to look a little wrong on your TV because the black bars are part of the video and they get squashed into the TV screen along with the game.
Getting the signal to a true 240p to match the original NES requires some more specialized hardware to convert the signal, and some technical knowhow on how to set it up.
From what I can deduce from your video, it looks like the best you can do with the equipment you have will be to go into the NES Classic's display settings and choose 4:3 instead of pixel perfect. (Even when connected to a modern monitor, 4:3 mode is how the games looked on CRTs. Pixel perfect mode accounts for another element of putting these games on modern screens that is well outside of this issue). this will be the closest you can fix the image unless there are settings on your video converter that you can dig into to correct it even more.
The NES mini is a fantastic console for what it is, but it really wasn't made with CRTs in mind. Good luck!!
Edit: The controls may feel laggy if the video converter isn't fast enough to convert the signal in true real time. it depends on the quality of your converter. Though any conversion will add a frame or two of lag, not matter what because it does take time to convert the signal. It's literally unavoidable. Even when playing on a modern TV which will convert the signal on it's own to make it fill whatever panel size you have.
I think you theres an issue with your HDMI to composite converter. Try using a different one.
NES is Missing several games… baseball stars, Tiger Heli, Bad Dudes - just to name a few…
NES mini looks bad on CRT because it was meant to be played on a HDTV thats why it has a HDMI also the input lag converting digital to analog signal shesshh
And yet my modded SNES Classic has none of the problems the NES Classic has when played through the same converter on the same CRT but so far none of you "experts" in the comments have even tried to explain why that is.
I wonder why.
Maybe it's because the issues with the NES Classic have nothing to do with the CRT or the converter and instead are caused by the actual emulation...
Yeah, pretty sure that's it and all of you "experts" are completely wrong.
Is this the 16:9 to 4:3 crunch?
You can also get gameboy games running on it!
I really want both of these or something similar or better if possible.I grew up with these games. Want all NES/SNES/ & GENESIS games the most & also would like sum Neo Geo/Nintendo 64/Gamecube/etc. CAN YOU & OR ANY1 IN THE COMMENTS PLEASE GIVE ME SUGGESTIONS & OR LINKS TO SOME OF THE BEST OPTIONS,(& the prices)THERE'S SO MANY TO CHOOSE FROM & I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO PICK. I'LL REALLY APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH! Don't want anything crazy technical where I have to change a bunch of stuff I'm not good with computer's I just wanna plug & play the old school games I grew up with. THX ahead of time to you or any1 who responds. (Sorry so long 🙂I just really want 1)
The controller was too short, it was super annoying
Does the super Nintendo have the tecmo super bowl games ?
I have a NES Classic, where did you get the USB with all the nes games on it?
Internet Archive. just search: complete nes rom set
The snes classic didn't like the good games of tiny toons adventures and others
any hints on how to get one online? i'm only finding the fake ones.
Pro wrestling was awesome
the reason the games look wierd is that the classis editions had everything set up for modern TVs.
Ok
Do I have to use a remote control to hold the game cartridge down?
Inner resting
Do you have the link for the system yet?
all the flashing content is removed from the Nes games they look really dull now.
i had trouble get one first one i finally got hold of secound time around
neat
Do you have the link so we csn buy it ?
why level three is a swastika tho?
I'm just here to argue
Where is the link to find the system?
I have this but it's a Japanese version
Does the Classic let you blow vainly on an errant cart over and over? Lol
Where do I get a setup like yours?
Where's that link at I wanna get me one 😊
Where do i get the mini nes?
You're acting like emulation sucks compared to the original, but if you had any idea how to modify your own hardware, your NES Classic would perform identically to what you remember.
If you would've actually watched the video he doesn't say the emulation sucks at all. He did say that the colors are off, the controls have lag, and the emulation doesn't fill the screen of the CRT which is all true. You cannot get the NES classic to have correct colors, zero lag, and the correct aspect ratio no matter how you "modify your own hardware". If you can, then back up what you're saying by posting a video of your setup on an original CRT proving it. Which you will not be able to do.
@@2and40Six That's the CRT television making those differences, stupid ass. The emulation itself is flawless.
@@billydelacey No dumb dumb, it has nothing to do with the CRT LOL some people reaIIy are DAF. No matter WHAT you pIay the emulator on, it will still have the problems with incorrect color, control lag, etc.
This is common knowledge but you have to not be a pompous DF to understand. That's why the original console on a CRT will always be better than any kind of emulator ya dumb prlck.
@@2and40Six He cannot post a video proving anything because he is completely wrong and knows it. He just troIIin.
@@billydelacey except a CRT TV will have the least amount of lag when compared to modern TVs/displays so what you said about the CRT TV causing the issues is not true at all.
This guy is just trying to make this comparison video all talking about how if you play Nintendo it should be on a CRT but yeah
Vertical letterbox is annoying
I was at an Air Bnb recently and they had a NES Classic for tenants to play which was cool so when I played the games it was horrible. Knockoff to the bone. Sure the games were there but the games were modified. Contra wasn't right, 10 Yard Fight had a timer and all the games were modified and I didn't enjoy the games like the real games that I have original so I don't what's up with that. The controllers were shit as well and knock off cheap plastic controllers and I couldn't play the games right.
Great video & I appreciate your passion for retro gaming. However, I really wish you would refrain from encouraging people to go out and try to get a CRT television. It causes a supply & demand problem. All of a sudden everyone feels the need to acquire one & CRT collectors like myself can no longer afford them. When flatscreens first came out, you could not even give CRT’s away. They now sell for hundreds of dollars on ebay & even in some goodwill stores. This is frustrating.
If you are a CRT collector of sorts, then why did you not collect all the CRT's you wanted when people were giving them all away for free, or for a "Hauling" fee...Pretty much haul it and have it for free like any other ancient tech you may have enjoyed or had "Nostalgia" for. So why does the price increase matter for some technology that is very old and also very rare almost now because of that reason above...everybody trying to give away what they thought was junk when some knew it wasn't. Still don't need to pay those ebay prices though.. Craigslist still has plenty of free ones, just stay away from any ad that says "Retro" or "rare" in the title.. Most of the old tubes got thrown in the landfill during that new tv boom.. There is hardly any supply left to not have high demand since ppl are wanting the retro whatever.. Though if you want to just play some games..go with retroarch and save your self money. I had collected enough old CRT monitors and televisions, that I gave them away almost when the retro stuff started booming and just kept the best of the best ones I've came across to other people who really wanted to use it. So how are you a CRT collector when you should have already had them to begin with?
Where do people buy these old systems? I’m 50 and not tech savvy as my son tells me. I still have my n64 but have ps1 games and ps2 games I can’t play……..
Original systems have to be picked up 2nd hand from where 2nd hand things are usually available (second hand stores, private sellers). The mini consoles were notoriously hard to get a hold of as they didn't make enough of them to meet demand and are now discontinued, discontinued too quick as well, so again can only be picked up 2nd hand as they bypassed a lot of people's radar. They occasionally pop up in 2nd hand stores but were really hard to find even at time of release. Stores like CeX are more likely to sell at a reasonable price as apposed to private sellers on eBay who are often scalpers or con men.
@@SamFey Thank you so much for the valuable information. I will definitely look at that stores website.
Technically the NES systems aren't complete without all accessories controllers including the gun for duck hunt or if snes the super scope
🎉😂😊🎉🎉😊
your using some shitty converter thats your issue
Then why does the SNES Classic hooked up with the exact same converter on the exact same CRT look nearly indistinguishable from an original SNES console?
It has nothing to do with the CRT, the converter, or anything else, it has to do with the emulation that was used for the NES games on the NES Classic.
The original NES Classic emulation looks exactly the same.
Well.. you've acquired one at last..late to the party as they say..5 or 6 years later its good that these classic mini consoles that were all the fashion and scalped up to 2 to 3x retail price are getting some love and use..mine still sits in its box..and i also have a clone of it which is a very close copy..i never bought a Super Nintendo mini..only thing with the clones..there never was community support for anything similar to Hakchi..no way to add games..the community wasnt interested in hacking the clones..too much trouble for so few users..not worthwhile..pity..id've liked a plugin USB with an entire NES ROM pack..oh well..cant have it all
Didn't the clone SNES minis contain a bunch of NES bootleg games and no actual SNES games?
@@SamFey now that I can't help with..I never bought the Official SFC/SNES mini or a clone of it..I went through enough online research and ordering through Superbuy China store agent (which was a bloody online hassle beyond belief)...with the clone I bought...and an official one from Amazon later (which was simple)..never again i decided..enough is enough..BUT..I found out watching more UA-cam that there were also clones of the NES mini that had no save state function..so i was lucky there in my choice of buying direct from TaoBao..other sites sold worse ones..and many in the community complained about it..
Huh..this makes no sense..two periods between every sentence is great..something..rambling..something
@@SamFey I don't know...I never owned the SFC/SNES mini classic...it seems more popular and desirable being 16bit...than the 8bit consoles that started it all off...some things you only discover by buying and trying it out..those details often owners don't bother to impart to others in the community...you get a lot of short pointless comments on UA-cam videos...ETAPrime is a good source of information...I learnt a lot from him...if he doesn't state something...probably no-one does...useless trivia for no-one...my NES clone mini has slowdown on title screen music...it's based on an Allwinner SoC...the official NES is a custom processor Nintendo own the patent...