I guess Cecilia would be on the top of the list... Followed by Hoffman. She literally didnt care if Carlos was gonna die next to John. While Hoffman literally took a teddy bear to Jeff and Lynn's child.
@@DanySB89John didn’t care if Gordon’s innocent wife and little kid died if he failed his test though! And Hoffman only went on a killing spree to try to save his own ass after John blackmailed him into being an apprentice. Tbh I think John is the most evil overall, even if he thinks he’s helping people
“Delete all of Bobby’s scenes and it becomes a better movie”… I feel the same way about Logan tbf - nothing against Matt Passmore of course. Take away the Logan character then the film becomes much more plausible and sensical.
jill did not deserve the 2nd worst character… i will absolutely defend her until i die. i love her and i think she should’ve been in it more. saw 3D was just… so bad and if the writing was better i think she would be more of a fan favorite.
I disagree with Jill at 2. However, I can see your argument. I understand where they were trying to go with her character but you are right about her M.O. not being there. It was as if she suddenly understood John's perspective after losing their child to Cecil, who I think deserves to be on this list instead. Also, Xavier is an easy one that should have been added to this list and personally would have been my #1 worst character due to how insufferable he was through the entirety of Saw II. If you saw the term meathead in the dictionary, a picture of him would pop up. I agree with putting Gibson on this list. I've seen reactions to Saw VI and Saw 3D but never watched them in their entirety as I watched Saw- Saw V, the two spin-offs, and Saw X. Never felt the need to visit them as I heard they were pretty bad. However, seeing Gibson's character and the egregious acting definitely justifies his character being on this list. I think Allison Gordon could be one of the worst characters based on her poor decision making in the original Saw film. Also, as much fun as it was to see Jeff kill John at the end of Saw III, he is in my top 10 worst due to the cheesy acting and bone-headed thinking displayed throughout the film.
Pamela Jenkins TECHNICALLY doesn't come out of nowhere. She does make a cameo in "Saw V" at the press conference where they announce Jigsaw's death, and the theatrical cut of the movie actually gives her a line or two. For some reason, her dialogue was cut from the unrated version, which is the version that is most widely available. She also gets name-dropped in the video game, but I know that's not canon.
Personally I think she is the most wasted character in the franchise, if I could rewrite the plot it would be like this: She would be tested by Jigsaw long before the events of Saw 6, I could use the same method of the trap failing or something like that, so that John later saves her (or she just simply pass her test) and makes her his apprentice in secret, covering up his crimes in her reports, it is never clear if William is directly her brother or her half-brother, I prefer to consider that it is her half-brother so that the following does not sound so sadistic, she did not agree with his policy, and when she finds out that he denied coverage to John, it is she, disguised as pigmask, who kidnaps William, and puts her self into the game as his motivation, and when the time comes she blackmails Brent and Tara to decide to kill William (using the same dialogues as in the movie), when William dies she leaves through the door using a key she had saved, then at the end of Saw 7 she kidnaps Hoffman along with Dr. Gordon, in order to give her at least some conclusion.
The next you should do is a Top 10 Mediocre characters. Which includes Jeff. My least favorite character is Anna from Jigsaw. She not only killed her baby, but she caused her husband to commit suicide for what he thought he did. Hell has a special place for her for sure.
@@KollinPorkChop but I agree with you... Even in jeff's context of suffering, revenge, maddness..blablabla...he was Meh for me. During the whome movie I am Like "DO SOMETHING!!!!!!"
Another back-story film: what changes Jill to make her fulfil John's last requests? What changed in her? Um, perhaps losing her only unborn child? Which led to the end of her marriage by the change in her husband? I think there is a story in there which can explain this, just as Hoffman's story unfolded.
I’m all for the “In Defense of Jeff” video! I actually really like Jeff’s character and I feel like the actor deserves more credit for his role. Angus Macfadyen is a tremendous actor and he does a fantastic job humanizing Jeff as a character. Saw III is one of my favorites specifically because of his performance. I definitely want to see someone defend him for once.
But he was so slow though. Especially when he went into the freezer. Yea the woman may not have been a good person but she did not deserve to freeze to death while jeff drags his ass
@@Blackrosecreaterdidn't his son literally die in his arms? The man has severe PTSD that he hasnt gotten over due to all of these people. I think hes perfectly justified in being slow due to the dilemma in his head.
@@condorgaming4000 EXACTLY!! this is what I've been saying for years and no one listens. he's a grieving alcoholic father with PTSD, of course he's gonna be a little slow when saving the people involved in his son's death, an event that completely ruined his life
Here is a counter theory. Jill was against it because she thought it might in some way incriminate her but over time she realized the cops were useless and hoffman was a threat to her survival. John gave her the trap as a chance to test hoffman on her own to see if she could join their ranks. She also gave gordon the tape so he could intervene if something went wrong. In the end she failed the test because she didn't actually give hoffman a chance to save himself which was one of the rules john always insisted on. She wanted to kill hoffman and that is what doomed her in the end. He returned the favor and killed her. Once he did that it was the final go ahead for gordon to take the lead role in carrying on john's legacy. Jill had she just tried to avoid incriminating herself by staying away might have lived but by trying to eliminate hoffman she only ended up dooming herself.
tbh i don't undersand why people love jeff, i understand his grief but people seem to forget he was also placed in the trap because he NEGLECTED his living child... CHILD NEGLECT.... NEGLECTION!!! i dont know why people just breeze over that like its nothing
Only person I would add to the list would have to be Anna ( i think that’s her name. The neighbor who killed her baby, put the blame on her husband which resulted in his suicide.)
I think a lot of people in the comments are misunderstanding ‘worst’ characters to mean most evil, rather most than poorly written/acted. Jill definitely deserves to be up there in this list, she was the first name I thought of when I read the title of the video! Justice for Jeff! I think he would rank quite highly in a list of underrated Saw characters
Det Halloran is IA and would probably be in the top 3 of not giving two craps about being liked. All he had was his moral compass and knows he's pretty much damned if he does and damned if he doesn't in how he handles things. I think the actor played him well
I am the only one who likes Jill? I completely agree with all the characters of the list exept her, it should have been Jeff instead of Jill (imo). But u guys did a really good job, nice video I love ur channel❤️ btw, imagine that they make another Saw 3D movie and they bring back Bobby as an apprentice, THAT WOULD BE HORRIBLE, I hope it doesn't happen, he was so annoying
@@fuchsmila(not the original commenter but i’ll speak as a jill defender) i’ll admit that jill is a poorly written character, and that her transformation should’ve been shown more. but the way i see it is: amanda was a patient at her clinic and jill stopped treated her bc she thought she was a lost cause. so when she sees john had miraculously “cured” her, obviously she’s gonna start to think john’s methods might work. so that was the catalyst, but aside from that i think her arc could’ve been shown more. and this is saw, so maybe it will.
I chalk Jeff's slowness to being drugged and maybe being concussed when he escapes the box at the start of his trial. Adds some realism in my eyes as to why he's a bit slow 😅
Jeff's bad reputation is unjustified. Dr. Gordon doesn't get shit on for not doing anything for literal hours, but when Jeff is a little hesitant about things then everybody gets pissed off for some reason.
They aren't even comparable lmao. One's locked and chained in a room, the other stand there and stares at victims over and over again and then decides he'll help them at the last second. Two VERY different and incomparable situations.
While the performances were definitely bad for some of these characters, I think it came down much more to the writing for a lot of them. Especially in the top half, the performances are at least serviceable to where they’re not actively painful to watch, but you instantly forget about them the second they die or disappear. Bobby especially was such a shame to see turn out so boring, because the idea of someone who pretended to be a Jigsaw survivor actually being tested (by someone who pretended to be Jigsaw, no less) is so fascinating to me. My Saw hot take will forever be that I like Jill Tuck, though. I think her progression from innocent and uninvolved to in the periphery but still disapproving to acting outside John’s circle of disciples to carry out his true will was super interesting, and I was sad to see her go (as well as go through a complete character assassination) in Saw 3D.
100% agree about Jill 😂 Also that press clip of Cary Elwes saying how Saw 3D is 'the best' one always makes me laugh in the back of my mind when seeing clips of that film. Because it is so bad!
Cecilia has no redeeming qualities. SPOILER:::::::::: She kills the most innocent trap victim and puts a child in a trap just to spite John and his "mantra".
I love your guys videos so much! always excited when i see a new one posted! i have a question tho, at somepoint i feel like they might have to reboot the series, if they were to do that what would you guys want or change
i agree that jill tuck isn’t a very well written character, but her becoming an apprentice does have somewhat of an explanation. she was introduced to amanda, who she thought was a lost cause, evidently cured. i understand missing that bc saw does jump around, and her transformation could’ve been shown more but she was shown ”proof” of john’s methods.
I think with Jill they didnt do anything to explain that change in her personality. How she suddenly became on board. Unless they are gonna show this by having it explained in future films after saw x. Which could easily be done with a character like the dr explaining how he got in board. Amanda couldn't do that bc shes too insane. I think there is still some kinda love there for john but thats not enough for the change. Unless they explain some kinda anger at the world for what it made her husband become. Like after saw x. Realizing she was alone in her efforts. Etc. The chracter overall tho wasnt ever as likable as many others in the film.
I've been putting off watching this video cuz i knew Jill would be on it and I am a Jill stan LOL. Her switch makes total sense to me haha. Something triggered her to switch and that to me is an entirely plausible reason. Maybe she finds is converted when she sees Amanda. Or hell maybe she just doesn't like Hoffman...ha!
eric matthews should’ve been on this list. he literally ruined amanda’s entire life, he was the reason she became a drug addict which led to her being targeted by john. he is the reason all that happened to her. also he’s a shit dad. i also don’t think dina deserved to be on the list, especially as high as she is. maybe it’s bc she’s poorly written or poorly acted, which ok. but she really didn’t do anything THAT bad? she was just two timing some guys. lawrence cheated on his wife which is worse 🤷♀️
I am SO glad that you guys like Jeff. Jeff gets so much unwarranted hate!! His character makes so much sense to me and it makes me so irritated that he gets shit on constantly.
@HorrorSauce People expect him to IMMEDIATELY want to jump in and save these people when THEY CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEATH OF HIS CHILD! Like, would you not be a bit angry and hesitant, too? And he eventually realizes his hesitancy is wrong. Saw 3 is probably my favorite Saw because his character is actually pretty nuanced and deep compared to most of the others in the series.
Jeff shouldn't have been tested. Jigsaw is a sadistic jerk for that. Also understand why he is slow to act, he's also still annoying to watch. All of these things can be true simultaneously. Lol Honestly it's because he comes off kinda dumb.
I have not done this in a long time... My thoughts! 10 - Detective Halloran - Must agree but 10 is right right spot as sadly, The Script was what was wrong... "Show don't Tell"... No we are TOLD how Bad Halloran is... We see what a shit Hoffman is... That's why Halloran fails! 9 - Charles (The Herald Guy) - Yeah, an Investigative Journalist who did SO LITTLE Investigating when in this trap... That you wonder how he got that damn job! 100% the biggest douche of the lot and that's saying something as they were all HORRID! I remember when I first saw this movie and I WAS LAUGHING WHEN HE DIED as I hated him that much! 8 - Cale (Bobby's BFF) - WHO???? 7 - Parker Sears (Saw X) - OK! No judgement here, I will take your word as I have still not seen it yet... 6 - Pamela Jenkins - I feel she suffers from the script, Not well fleshed out... So I had very little sympathy for her! 5 - Dina (Saw 3D) - Reminds me too much of far too many women I do know... Oh she deserves her high spot! 4 - Detective Fitch (Spiral) - Yeah, Lousy!!!! 3 - Matt Gibson - Never even knew his name he just annoyed me! I AGREE! 2 - Jill Tuck - I initially Liked Jill, but then there was that reveal that she knew what John Kramer was doing all along and that ... YIKES!!!! NO! 1 - Bobby Dagan - OH DEAR GOD YES, ABSOLUTLY AGREE!!!
The guy that plays Cale plays Daniel in Wrong Turn 4. His death in that is one of the best of that franchise so if you don't like his death in Saw 3D maybe you'll like that.
Do we think the reason that so much of Saw 3D being so poorly written has anything to do with the fact that they last minute stripped scripts for what was supposed to be a 2-film finale and jammed everything into one? I kind of liken it to what they did to Freddy vs. Jason. The original script for that called for a 2.5 hour movie that was to have been an epic showdown, and when they did rewrites and cut a full hour out of it, we were left with shitty characters, horrible dialogue, exposition that was just jammed in wherever they could fit it.
@@cosmic4kmj._183 According to Patrick Melton and Marcus Dunstan in the DVD commentary of Saw 3D, an early version of the ending would have shown Bobby taken to the hospital after his test and meeting Dr. Gordon there. But since that didin't make it in the film, it is unknown. at some point i want to know what happened to him after 😂
Charles was lowkey my favorite character in saw 5 because he might have been kind of annoying but he was by far the most interesting to me. The rest feel so one dimensional but he felt like he had a lot of depth
Jill is my most disliked character, but my number two is Xavior from Saw 2. I just feel that he was SO needlessly evil. By the end, it just came off as silly. Great video though!
just started, hope that officer from saw 7 is there that hoffman saved by killing that guy even tho saw 6 was great did it not do well or something? like i still dont understand why saw 3d looks like it was made on a budget of $500
When the guy in saw x walked into the game I thought that was a great opportunity to do something they’ve never been before but they kind of ruined it.
I hated that rapist from Saw IV. I don't remember his name, it was that one who worked in a motel. I also hated Bobby Degan's wife because her story wasn't fully told and I'll never know what she did in order to be in that game.
Bobby Degan's wife didnt really do anything to be in the game, other than not be smart enough to figure out bobby was lying. Jigsaw was just punishing anyone who benefited from the lie, regardless of intent. Good old fashion revenge, just like the movie with the insurance salesman (sorta).
Not gonna lie, i’m kinda surprised Detective Zeke Banks isn’t on the list. I feel like he was too much for the series and didn’t fit the “saw vibe” at all. Chris Rock tried to make the movie comical but it just made the movie kinda bad. That’s just my opinion at the end either way.
I am absolutely team Jeff. His character is well thought out completely relatable for me having also lost my son to murder. Anyone who complains about how slow he reacts to save these people have obviously never been in his shoes. Frankly, he was nicer than I would have been. I would have happily watched them all die and wouldn't have helped any of them. Why should he? All of those people screwed over his little boy. Lady who saw the whole thing and refused to come forward? Why should he hurt himself to save her when she's one of the reasons his son's killer got off? Judge who sided with the killer? He deserves to drown in rotten pig juice. Why should Jeff burn his kid's stuff to save someone who let his son's killer go? And don't even get me started on the last guy. He was driving drunk at 10am, hit a little boy, and KEPT GOING. Who cares what he's doing now? Who cares how "bad he felt"? He chose to get behind the wheel drunk. He chose to try and run after killing a child. Take a bullet for him? Screw that! The current situation he's in is better than anything I could build.
I liked the list until top 3 because all these characters I liked. Bobby wasn’t a good guy but he tried to make things right and cared for his friends. Jill is the most disliked in my opinion but I still thought she was a reasonable person. Gibson I thought Was the best detective in Saw and did the right thing for he kind of saw through Hoffman and almost stopped his career before any of his events happened
You guys should do top 10 most EVIL saw characters
I guess Cecilia would be on the top of the list... Followed by Hoffman. She literally didnt care if Carlos was gonna die next to John. While Hoffman literally took a teddy bear to Jeff and Lynn's child.
would really like to see that hope they make that vid
cecilia,ivan,john,hoffman are some on the list
@@DanySB89John didn’t care if Gordon’s innocent wife and little kid died if he failed his test though! And Hoffman only went on a killing spree to try to save his own ass after John blackmailed him into being an apprentice. Tbh I think John is the most evil overall, even if he thinks he’s helping people
If Cecelia isn’t number 1 I don’t know what to say. She might be the biggest villain of all time 😂😂
“Delete all of Bobby’s scenes and it becomes a better movie”… I feel the same way about Logan tbf - nothing against Matt Passmore of course. Take away the Logan character then the film becomes much more plausible and sensical.
jill did not deserve the 2nd worst character… i will absolutely defend her until i die. i love her and i think she should’ve been in it more. saw 3D was just… so bad and if the writing was better i think she would be more of a fan favorite.
I disagree with Jill at 2. However, I can see your argument. I understand where they were trying to go with her character but you are right about her M.O. not being there. It was as if she suddenly understood John's perspective after losing their child to Cecil, who I think deserves to be on this list instead. Also, Xavier is an easy one that should have been added to this list and personally would have been my #1 worst character due to how insufferable he was through the entirety of Saw II. If you saw the term meathead in the dictionary, a picture of him would pop up. I agree with putting Gibson on this list. I've seen reactions to Saw VI and Saw 3D but never watched them in their entirety as I watched Saw- Saw V, the two spin-offs, and Saw X. Never felt the need to visit them as I heard they were pretty bad. However, seeing Gibson's character and the egregious acting definitely justifies his character being on this list. I think Allison Gordon could be one of the worst characters based on her poor decision making in the original Saw film. Also, as much fun as it was to see Jeff kill John at the end of Saw III, he is in my top 10 worst due to the cheesy acting and bone-headed thinking displayed throughout the film.
Jill is definitely a love or hate character!
Pamela Jenkins TECHNICALLY doesn't come out of nowhere. She does make a cameo in "Saw V" at the press conference where they announce Jigsaw's death, and the theatrical cut of the movie actually gives her a line or two. For some reason, her dialogue was cut from the unrated version, which is the version that is most widely available. She also gets name-dropped in the video game, but I know that's not canon.
Personally I think she is the most wasted character in the franchise, if I could rewrite the plot it would be like this: She would be tested by Jigsaw long before the events of Saw 6, I could use the same method of the trap failing or something like that, so that John later saves her (or she just simply pass her test) and makes her his apprentice in secret, covering up his crimes in her reports, it is never clear if William is directly her brother or her half-brother, I prefer to consider that it is her half-brother so that the following does not sound so sadistic, she did not agree with his policy, and when she finds out that he denied coverage to John, it is she, disguised as pigmask, who kidnaps William, and puts her self into the game as his motivation, and when the time comes she blackmails Brent and Tara to decide to kill William (using the same dialogues as in the movie), when William dies she leaves through the door using a key she had saved, then at the end of Saw 7 she kidnaps Hoffman along with Dr. Gordon, in order to give her at least some conclusion.
Worst to best
103rd Anna (8)
102nd Rex (4)
101st Ivan (4)
100th Dunleavy (9)
99th Fitch (9)
98th Marv (9)
97th Jake (7)
96th Dan (7)
95th Kara (7)
94th Evan (7)
93rd Zeke (9)
92nd Angie (9)
93rd Morgan (4)
92nd Edgar (8)
91st Henry (10)
90th Logan (8) Killer
89th Mateo (10)
88th Carly (8)
87th Mitch (8)
86th Jeff R (1)
85th Valentina (10)
84th Marcus (9)
83rd Halloran (8)
82nd Paul (1,5)
81st Eddie (6)
80th Dina (7)
79th Hank (6)
78th Simone (6-7)
77th Kieth (8)
76th William Schenk (9) Killer
75th Allen (6)
74th Suzanne (7)
73rd Debbie (6)
72nd Nina (7)
71st Aaron (6)
70th Addy (6-7)
69th Harold (6)
68th Gena (6)
67th Dave (6)
66th Emily (6-7)
65th Shelby (6)
64th Cecil (4,6)
63rd Timothy (3,6)
62nd Art (4)
61st Brenda (4)
60th Trevor (4,7)
59th Brad (7)
58th Ryan (7)
57th Troy (3)
56th Danica (3)
55th Tracy (4)
54th Dr. Hefner (4,6-7)
53rd Fisk (4-5)
52nd Josh (6)
51st Seth (5)
50th Luba (5)
49th Cale (7)
48th Tara (6-7)
47th Brent (6)
45th Halden (3)
46th Charles (5)
45th Pamela (5-6)
44th Carlos (10)
43rd Ashley (5)
42nd Corbett (3,5-6)
41st Obi (2,5)
40th Zep (1)
39th Mark (1)
38th Eleana (8)
37th Diego (10)
36th Ryan (8)
35th Michael (2,7)
34th Gus (2,4-5)
33rd Brit (5)
32nd Bobby (7)
31st Parker (10)
30th Joyce (7)
29th Rogers (7)
28th Dan Erickson (5-6)
27th William Easton (6)
26th Jill (3-7) Killer
25th Allison Gordon (1)
24th Diana (1)
23rd Mallick (5,7)
22nd Matt (7)
21st Perez (4,6)
20th Cecilia (10)
19th Peter Strahm (4-5)
18th Lynn (3)
17th Gabriella (10)
16th Allison Kerry (1-3)
15th Xavier (2,5)
14th Addison (2,4-5)
13th Eric (2-4)
12th Jeff Denlin (3-4)
11th Tapp (1)
10th Riggs (2-4)
9th Lauren (2,5)
8th Sing (1)
7th Jonas (2)
6th Hoffman (3-7, 10) Killer
5th John (1-8, 10) Killer
4th Amanda (1-7, 10) Killer
3rd Lawrence (1,3,7) Killer
2nd Daniel (2)
1st Adam (1,3)
That is one damn impressive list!! 😮😮
The next you should do is a Top 10 Mediocre characters. Which includes Jeff.
My least favorite character is Anna from Jigsaw. She not only killed her baby, but she caused her husband to commit suicide for what he thought he did. Hell has a special place for her for sure.
Bad news, they Like Jeff. They have said it several times. So I think they would not incluye him in that list. Haha
@@DanySB89 I know they did multiple times. Here I am with my spoon just stirring the pot. 🤣
@@KollinPorkChop but I agree with you... Even in jeff's context of suffering, revenge, maddness..blablabla...he was Meh for me. During the whome movie I am Like "DO SOMETHING!!!!!!"
@@DanySB89 plus I hate giving him credit for not only killing John but Amanda also. He single-handedly could’ve destroyed the franchise.
@@KollinPorkChopyeah... same... I would think about a lot of people killing John AND Amanda... But, Jeff? really. ugh
Another back-story film: what changes Jill to make her fulfil John's last requests? What changed in her? Um, perhaps losing her only unborn child? Which led to the end of her marriage by the change in her husband? I think there is a story in there which can explain this, just as Hoffman's story unfolded.
Could be very interesting!
I’m all for the “In Defense of Jeff” video! I actually really like Jeff’s character and I feel like the actor deserves more credit for his role. Angus Macfadyen is a tremendous actor and he does a fantastic job humanizing Jeff as a character. Saw III is one of my favorites specifically because of his performance. I definitely want to see someone defend him for once.
But he was so slow though. Especially when he went into the freezer. Yea the woman may not have been a good person but she did not deserve to freeze to death while jeff drags his ass
@@Blackrosecreaterdidn't his son literally die in his arms? The man has severe PTSD that he hasnt gotten over due to all of these people. I think hes perfectly justified in being slow due to the dilemma in his head.
@@condorgaming4000 EXACTLY!! this is what I've been saying for years and no one listens. he's a grieving alcoholic father with PTSD, of course he's gonna be a little slow when saving the people involved in his son's death, an event that completely ruined his life
Jill??? Really. I don’t think Jill should be on the list. Definitely agree with everyone else on the list.
I wouldn't say she's one of the worst but her storyline was done dirty in my opinion
Here is a counter theory. Jill was against it because she thought it might in some way incriminate her but over time she realized the cops were useless and hoffman was a threat to her survival. John gave her the trap as a chance to test hoffman on her own to see if she could join their ranks. She also gave gordon the tape so he could intervene if something went wrong. In the end she failed the test because she didn't actually give hoffman a chance to save himself which was one of the rules john always insisted on. She wanted to kill hoffman and that is what doomed her in the end. He returned the favor and killed her. Once he did that it was the final go ahead for gordon to take the lead role in carrying on john's legacy. Jill had she just tried to avoid incriminating herself by staying away might have lived but by trying to eliminate hoffman she only ended up dooming herself.
tbh i don't undersand why people love jeff, i understand his grief but people seem to forget he was also placed in the trap because he NEGLECTED his living child... CHILD NEGLECT.... NEGLECTION!!! i dont know why people just breeze over that like its nothing
I am a stan of Jill Tuck 'til the end. Second worst character is too wrong, but the saw 3d writing is still bad😭
Jill is quite polarising as a character it seems! Haha
If Jill Tuck has no haters, it's cause I'm dead. Jill is the WORSTTTTT
Only person I would add to the list would have to be Anna ( i think that’s her name. The neighbor who killed her baby, put the blame on her husband which resulted in his suicide.)
Oh and Ivan!
I think a lot of people in the comments are misunderstanding ‘worst’ characters to mean most evil, rather most than poorly written/acted. Jill definitely deserves to be up there in this list, she was the first name I thought of when I read the title of the video!
Justice for Jeff! I think he would rank quite highly in a list of underrated Saw characters
Yes exactly! These are the crappiest characters that just didn’t work or were poorly executed!
And Jeff is amazing 😂
Det Halloran is IA and would probably be in the top 3 of not giving two craps about being liked.
All he had was his moral compass and knows he's pretty much damned if he does and damned if he doesn't in how he handles things. I think the actor played him well
Just put Spiral on this list... like the whole film & everyone in it! 😂
Hahaha let’s not even speak it’s name
Spiral wasn't that bad, I really don't understand the hate for it
Spiral felt a lot like later Hellraiser sequels. An interesting script that’s been forced to fit a pre-existing IP thus making both aspects shit.
I am the only one who likes Jill? I completely agree with all the characters of the list exept her, it should have been Jeff instead of Jill (imo). But u guys did a really good job, nice video I love ur channel❤️
btw, imagine that they make another Saw 3D movie and they bring back Bobby as an apprentice, THAT WOULD BE HORRIBLE, I hope it doesn't happen, he was so annoying
As a Jill fan, how would you explain her sudden change? :0 :)
(reverse bear trap pfp twins!!) yeah i agree. for number 2, i’d replace her with eric matthews.
@@fuchsmila(not the original commenter but i’ll speak as a jill defender) i’ll admit that jill is a poorly written character, and that her transformation should’ve been shown more. but the way i see it is: amanda was a patient at her clinic and jill stopped treated her bc she thought she was a lost cause. so when she sees john had miraculously “cured” her, obviously she’s gonna start to think john’s methods might work. so that was the catalyst, but aside from that i think her arc could’ve been shown more. and this is saw, so maybe it will.
I love Jill. You're not alone! LOL
@@fuchsmila honestly, I don't know, but I like the character and I think in Saw XI they could show more of her
The only good thing I can say about Bobby is that his S.U.R.V.I.V.E. phrase actually helped me in my real life haha
Sounds very interesting!
I chalk Jeff's slowness to being drugged and maybe being concussed when he escapes the box at the start of his trial. Adds some realism in my eyes as to why he's a bit slow 😅
I haven't watched the video yet but I already know Gibson is in this list, right?
I knew it the minute I laid eyes on the video... crazy...
Crazy… crazy!
Jeff's bad reputation is unjustified. Dr. Gordon doesn't get shit on for not doing anything for literal hours, but when Jeff is a little hesitant about things then everybody gets pissed off for some reason.
They aren't even comparable lmao. One's locked and chained in a room, the other stand there and stares at victims over and over again and then decides he'll help them at the last second. Two VERY different and incomparable situations.
The fact that Pamela Jenkins is the only person on this list is still alive is so fitting for the saw series.
(BTW, she shows up in a scene in Saw V)
Is it just me or does Charles look kinda like V-Sauce
“Hey V-Sauce here, what do you do if your in Saw while working in the Herod”
Surprised there was no Ivan from Saw IV on this list, with how infamous he is
While the performances were definitely bad for some of these characters, I think it came down much more to the writing for a lot of them. Especially in the top half, the performances are at least serviceable to where they’re not actively painful to watch, but you instantly forget about them the second they die or disappear. Bobby especially was such a shame to see turn out so boring, because the idea of someone who pretended to be a Jigsaw survivor actually being tested (by someone who pretended to be Jigsaw, no less) is so fascinating to me.
My Saw hot take will forever be that I like Jill Tuck, though. I think her progression from innocent and uninvolved to in the periphery but still disapproving to acting outside John’s circle of disciples to carry out his true will was super interesting, and I was sad to see her go (as well as go through a complete character assassination) in Saw 3D.
100% agree about Jill 😂
Also that press clip of Cary Elwes saying how Saw 3D is 'the best' one always makes me laugh in the back of my mind when seeing clips of that film. Because it is so bad!
Cecilia has no redeeming qualities. SPOILER::::::::::
She kills the most innocent trap victim and puts a child in a trap just to spite John and his "mantra".
Unless you count intelligence and cunning as redeeming qualities, yeah definitely, she sucks
Suprised its not more from Spiral, look Jigsaw is bad, but Spiral is Awful, sooooo bad
Least fav is genuinely Jeff. Makes Saw III a chore to watch for me
thanks finally i thought i was the only one saw 3 would be one of my favourite films but he just makes it so hard to watch his character is ass
Yeah saw III is pretty good, but I distract myself during Jeff scenes. 😂😂😂 Same thing with Saw V and the group test.🤮😂
If chris rock isn't #1...
... I'm devestated😢
I love your guys videos so much! always excited when i see a new one posted! i have a question tho, at somepoint i feel like they might have to reboot the series, if they were to do that what would you guys want or change
How is Xavier not in this list?
i agree that jill tuck isn’t a very well written character, but her becoming an apprentice does have somewhat of an explanation. she was introduced to amanda, who she thought was a lost cause, evidently cured. i understand missing that bc saw does jump around, and her transformation could’ve been shown more but she was shown ”proof” of john’s methods.
I think with Jill they didnt do anything to explain that change in her personality. How she suddenly became on board. Unless they are gonna show this by having it explained in future films after saw x. Which could easily be done with a character like the dr explaining how he got in board. Amanda couldn't do that bc shes too insane.
I think there is still some kinda love there for john but thats not enough for the change. Unless they explain some kinda anger at the world for what it made her husband become. Like after saw x. Realizing she was alone in her efforts. Etc.
The chracter overall tho wasnt ever as likable as many others in the film.
Not me reading a book on my phone and suddenly getting a notification for this. F*ck the book 😂
😍😍 who needs reading anyway! 😂
I've been putting off watching this video cuz i knew Jill would be on it and I am a Jill stan LOL. Her switch makes total sense to me haha. Something triggered her to switch and that to me is an entirely plausible reason. Maybe she finds is converted when she sees Amanda. Or hell maybe she just doesn't like Hoffman...ha!
I would definitely wear a shirt with “I work for
👆the herald👆” guy
Jeff is probably my least favorite character and is the reason Saw III is very low on my list.
Somebody’s comment just made me realize. Cecil and Xavier should be on there over Jill.
The Herald guy reminds me of nearly every teacher I had in highschool.
eric matthews should’ve been on this list. he literally ruined amanda’s entire life, he was the reason she became a drug addict which led to her being targeted by john. he is the reason all that happened to her. also he’s a shit dad.
i also don’t think dina deserved to be on the list, especially as high as she is. maybe it’s bc she’s poorly written or poorly acted, which ok. but she really didn’t do anything THAT bad? she was just two timing some guys. lawrence cheated on his wife which is worse 🤷♀️
lists of the characters least deserving and most deserving of being in a saw trap would be cool
You might just be in luck… 🤔🤔
i feel like ivan shouldve been on there instead of dina he assaulted girls and suffered a fair death
I was expecting him to be numero uno too!!
This is not the list of worst characters ethical wise. Its about the worst written/ performance/irrelevant characters.
That's not a poorly written character that's just a bad person
I saw this video and immediately knew Bobby Dagan HAD to be number one. I know Jeff's a fan least favorite, but literally nobody is worse than Bobby.
Yes thank you! Bobby is the worst!
I am SO glad that you guys like Jeff. Jeff gets so much unwarranted hate!! His character makes so much sense to me and it makes me so irritated that he gets shit on constantly.
Yes!! He makes so much sense!
It’s called empathy people! Walk a mile in his shoes! He’s a great character! 😍
@HorrorSauce People expect him to IMMEDIATELY want to jump in and save these people when THEY CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEATH OF HIS CHILD! Like, would you not be a bit angry and hesitant, too? And he eventually realizes his hesitancy is wrong. Saw 3 is probably my favorite Saw because his character is actually pretty nuanced and deep compared to most of the others in the series.
Jeff shouldn't have been tested. Jigsaw is a sadistic jerk for that. Also understand why he is slow to act, he's also still annoying to watch.
All of these things can be true simultaneously. Lol
Honestly it's because he comes off kinda dumb.
bro what i loved charles
Hahahah how good is he!
I have not done this in a long time... My thoughts!
10 - Detective Halloran - Must agree but 10 is right right spot as sadly, The Script was what was wrong... "Show don't Tell"... No we are TOLD how Bad Halloran is... We see what a shit Hoffman is... That's why Halloran fails!
9 - Charles (The Herald Guy) - Yeah, an Investigative Journalist who did SO LITTLE Investigating when in this trap... That you wonder how he got that damn job! 100% the biggest douche of the lot and that's saying something as they were all HORRID! I remember when I first saw this movie and I WAS LAUGHING WHEN HE DIED as I hated him that much!
8 - Cale (Bobby's BFF) - WHO????
7 - Parker Sears (Saw X) - OK! No judgement here, I will take your word as I have still not seen it yet...
6 - Pamela Jenkins - I feel she suffers from the script, Not well fleshed out... So I had very little sympathy for her!
5 - Dina (Saw 3D) - Reminds me too much of far too many women I do know... Oh she deserves her high spot!
4 - Detective Fitch (Spiral) - Yeah, Lousy!!!!
3 - Matt Gibson - Never even knew his name he just annoyed me! I AGREE!
2 - Jill Tuck - I initially Liked Jill, but then there was that reveal that she knew what John Kramer was doing all along and that ... YIKES!!!! NO!
1 - Bobby Dagan - OH DEAR GOD YES, ABSOLUTLY AGREE!!!
Was so great to hear your feedback on the list!
Thanks for sharing! 😍
I cracked up shaking my head in agreement on #3 😂😂😂😂
Crazy crazy! 🤪
@@HorrorSauce like a sack of cats 😂
I would so wear the Herald guy.
The guy that plays Cale plays Daniel in Wrong Turn 4. His death in that is one of the best of that franchise so if you don't like his death in Saw 3D maybe you'll like that.
I feel like this solidified my #justiceforJeff feelings 😂
#Jeffending till the grave!
You should do SAW’S 10 most forgettable characters
Top 3 worst character for me
3: Jeff
2: Bobby
1: Anna
I understand Jeff's grief, but he's still annoying lol
Do we think the reason that so much of Saw 3D being so poorly written has anything to do with the fact that they last minute stripped scripts for what was supposed to be a 2-film finale and jammed everything into one?
I kind of liken it to what they did to Freddy vs. Jason. The original script for that called for a 2.5 hour movie that was to have been an epic showdown, and when they did rewrites and cut a full hour out of it, we were left with shitty characters, horrible dialogue, exposition that was just jammed in wherever they could fit it.
I've not even started the video yet, but I hope Bobby Degan is #1.
How could it be anybody else!! 😂
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL 🔥🙏💪
Thank you!! 😍😍
Spoiler alert!
Bobby Dagen is still alive. If he's imprisoned or back home, is unknown tho
Imprisoned more than likely
@@cosmic4kmj._183 According to Patrick Melton and Marcus Dunstan in the DVD commentary of Saw 3D, an early version of the ending would have shown Bobby taken to the hospital after his test and meeting Dr. Gordon there.
But since that didin't make it in the film, it is unknown. at some point i want to know what happened to him after 😂
@@NinaJulia83 ahhhh
Charles was lowkey my favorite character in saw 5 because he might have been kind of annoying but he was by far the most interesting to me. The rest feel so one dimensional but he felt like he had a lot of depth
Jill is my most disliked character, but my number two is Xavior from Saw 2. I just feel that he was SO needlessly evil. By the end, it just came off as silly. Great video though!
I actually thought Charles was the best actor in the saw 5 trap part of the movie lol.
When I was younger I didn’t mind Jill tuck or the actor but going back it’s rough man .
I might be meeting the acter for Mark Hoffman I'm so excited 🎉🎉😂
We wish we could say the same!! 😍
Top 10 most innocent/least guilty victims
Hmmmmm seems like you might be psychic…
I saw the actor of Bobby Degan on Criminal Minds the other day and it was just as unsatisfying. So sad, come on man, i thought we learned from Saw.
Halloran shouldnt be number ten, his partner should be, he might be the dumbest detective in the franchise.
Haha, we kinda agree, but that guy is barely even a character
The cop from saw 3D is easily one of the worst actors I’ve seen in a movie lol.I haven’t seen him in other stuff but in this oh boy .
all i know is that bobby is probably gonna be on this list
Couldn’t have it any other way!
just started, hope that officer from saw 7 is there that hoffman saved by killing that guy
even tho saw 6 was great did it not do well or something? like i still dont understand why saw 3d looks like it was made on a budget of $500
Lmao hell yeahhhh Gibson there he is Crazy
He’s the goat of bad saw characters lol
Hahaha he almost inspires this entire video!
Crazy crazy crazy 😂
@@HorrorSauce crazy
Please do an in defense of Geoff video!
When the guy in saw x walked into the game I thought that was a great opportunity to do something they’ve never been before but they kind of ruined it.
I love Logan tbh like I WANT some continuations with him he's such a great character
Jigsaw was my favorite film because I think Logan was a good mastermind
I hated that rapist from Saw IV. I don't remember his name, it was that one who worked in a motel. I also hated Bobby Degan's wife because her story wasn't fully told and I'll never know what she did in order to be in that game.
Ivan
Bobby Degan's wife didnt really do anything to be in the game, other than not be smart enough to figure out bobby was lying. Jigsaw was just punishing anyone who benefited from the lie, regardless of intent. Good old fashion revenge, just like the movie with the insurance salesman (sorta).
@@swaymcthunder1219salesman was in Saw 4 I think
Absolutely agree with #1 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes!! Thank you! Hahaha
In my opinion the only horror 3D movie that would of ever worked has never gotten a 3D film. The Ring!!! Imagine Samara coming out of your TV forreal
i feel like i’m the only person who actually likes jigsaw and spiral
Video suggestion: 10 biggest tweaks we’d have made with the saw franchise 🚬
Not gonna lie, i’m kinda surprised Detective Zeke Banks isn’t on the list. I feel like he was too much for the series and didn’t fit the “saw vibe” at all. Chris Rock tried to make the movie comical but it just made the movie kinda bad. That’s just my opinion at the end either way.
I would put Hoffman at number 1... Hate everything about his character, and for me, the films where he's in are the worst of the franchise
Well get ready for Saw 11! Haha
My Hot take I’m a Gibson fan… I also liked Charles… mostly for the fact that I loved him as Morris O’Brien in 24
Rank all the saw movies from worst to best
Your in luck! You can find that video earlier on our channel!
@@HorrorSauce thank you so much
I am absolutely team Jeff. His character is well thought out completely relatable for me having also lost my son to murder. Anyone who complains about how slow he reacts to save these people have obviously never been in his shoes. Frankly, he was nicer than I would have been. I would have happily watched them all die and wouldn't have helped any of them. Why should he? All of those people screwed over his little boy.
Lady who saw the whole thing and refused to come forward? Why should he hurt himself to save her when she's one of the reasons his son's killer got off? Judge who sided with the killer? He deserves to drown in rotten pig juice. Why should Jeff burn his kid's stuff to save someone who let his son's killer go?
And don't even get me started on the last guy. He was driving drunk at 10am, hit a little boy, and KEPT GOING. Who cares what he's doing now? Who cares how "bad he felt"? He chose to get behind the wheel drunk. He chose to try and run after killing a child. Take a bullet for him? Screw that! The current situation he's in is better than anything I could build.
I’m sorry about your son, rest in peace to him and I hope you’re doing well
the jill tuck hate 💔💔
For some reason the Mateo character came across as annoying to me.
First place belongs to Chris Rock
Am I the only one who likes Jigsaw (the film)
It has its moment .
My least favorite is Cecilia, her actor did well Cause I absolutely despise the character 😭☠️
This list was incredible! Love it! Bobby is the worsttttt!! Saw 3D sucks so much because of these charactersssss OMG!
I love Jeff too!
The best! 🤩🤩 haha
I liked the list until top 3 because all these characters I liked. Bobby wasn’t a good guy but he tried to make things right and cared for his friends. Jill is the most disliked in my opinion but I still thought she was a reasonable person. Gibson I thought Was the best detective in Saw and did the right thing for he kind of saw through Hoffman and almost stopped his career before any of his events happened
surprised Hoffman isn’t in here
Oh you just wait till you see our other top 10s! Haha
I’d definitely wear a Harold shirt
I actually love Jill tuck
How about stupidest?
Gibson comfortably should’ve been number one
I screamed at #2 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hopefully in a good way haha
Favourite are detectives tapp and hoffman
Ugh, yeah, some of these characters were SHIT.
😂😂
Personally, I thought Bobby deagan was great in the movie? Like I didn’t even know it was a wig or anything??