Erich Fromm - Disobedience: A Moral or Psychological Problem (1962)

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  • @johnmitchell8925
    @johnmitchell8925 4 місяці тому +7

    Cant believe I've come across yet another great man to listen to 40 plus years after his death

  • @jstaversky
    @jstaversky Рік тому +25

    Amazing... a lecture from 1962 that speaks directly to the mayhem and chaos of the last three years!!!... Thanks EF :)

    • @l.w.paradis2108
      @l.w.paradis2108 3 місяці тому +2

      Exactly. Obedience as the end of mankind -- that hit hard.

  • @margaretgreenwood4243
    @margaretgreenwood4243 4 місяці тому +8

    Erich Fromm, I Love you. Thank you for all your wonderful works

  • @corpuscallosum4677
    @corpuscallosum4677 4 місяці тому +6

    Thanks for posting! Just re-read his short book, The Art of Loving, 😇❤👍. 21 century school system should make it into their curriculum for Junior highs pupils so the next generation can be sane, active individuals that reflect this Love in One!

    • @UGPepe
      @UGPepe 4 місяці тому +1

      the irony in your statement escapes you

  • @ralphricart3177
    @ralphricart3177 4 місяці тому +2

    When Jesus comes this will be the end of disobedience. Every knee shall bow.

  • @aek12
    @aek12 2 роки тому +9

    Disobedience can only come about through clear thinking and love otherwise that disobedience will be destructive.

    • @corpuscallosum4677
      @corpuscallosum4677 4 місяці тому +2

      I would say mostly love, the love that won't separate men from nature and his individuality with everyone. Most sages all through history alerted us with the illusion of thoughts, most notably Jiddu Krishnamurti, my personal opinion the greatest sage that manifested in the brutal 20 century to warn us with his love. Erich also said @37.26: "under the illusion, people THINK what they think is precisely what they choose to think". That is to say, they think they have "clear" thinking! Thinking is a passivity according to all of them, an inertia, an arrogance, a laziness, only Love is in action.

  • @MayAllBeeingsBeAtPeace
    @MayAllBeeingsBeAtPeace 7 років тому +30

    This is absolutely great, thanks for uploading!

  • @aithain
    @aithain 8 років тому +12

    Thank you for uploading this!

  • @leegallagher1109
    @leegallagher1109 7 років тому +5

    thanks so much for uploading this!

  • @unclepaulhahrrgis8730
    @unclepaulhahrrgis8730 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the upload!!

  • @dhangejr
    @dhangejr Рік тому +7

    Is this light years ahead of its time> OR is our society BEHIND time?

  • @1828tolstoy
    @1828tolstoy 4 роки тому +5

    Thank you for downloading.My favorite psychologist read most of his book.I was shocked by his voice Just not what I hears in my head.

    • @jstaversky
      @jstaversky Рік тому +3

      Check out Escape From Freedom and The Sane Society (in that order)-- lays out the social psychological and anthropological principles at length. Those two books freed my mind and changed my life forever. :)

    • @scottkraft1062
      @scottkraft1062 Рік тому +1

      Alexander Lowe is my favorite but Fromm is a close second

  • @rozalialuks6583
    @rozalialuks6583 4 місяці тому

    Thank you!

  • @noahnelson6385
    @noahnelson6385 Рік тому +1

    Wow, the intellect sent chills

  • @ahasted9169
    @ahasted9169 5 років тому +6

    Don't agree with all he says, but am surprised how many people don't know Fromm. To have or to be - a lesson to over-consumption - Primark & role models - Kim Kardashian.For most humans it's so much easier to 'follow' than to decide for themselves.

  • @elijaguy
    @elijaguy 2 роки тому

    Wonderful! thankyou ! 28:33 reminds me of "Analize This" where de Niro tels Billy Crystal "Have you ever SEEN my mother?!"

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 2 роки тому

    🙏🇦🇱 Pershendetje shqiptareve qe e flasin mire shqipen! Disobedience its not Destroying Fear Destroying Fear its not Destroy the Enemy Destroying your Enemy its not How to play the game of life How to play the game of life is To Tell Life Giving another enemy greater then you Have Higher Devil Higher Levil Higher level of Knowkedge Higher power to Talk to Yourself Higher power to talk to yourself Higher Selfrespect Higher Selfrespect Higher Selfrespect Higher Your Identity HigherIdentity Have Lower The World Influence on to Your Thoughts Lower the world influence on to your thoughts Higher level to stay with yourself Higher level to stay with yourself Higher power to Practice the Presence Higher power to Practice the Prasence Higher chance to walk in two legs then four legs Exactly this is the point darvinizm get started its not amazing the work of disobedience I love it!

  • @nolancoates4856
    @nolancoates4856 5 місяців тому +2

    Brilliant Mind 🤔⭐

  • @cyrus-shanghai2283
    @cyrus-shanghai2283 5 років тому +2

    Bravo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @rehlamag
    @rehlamag 7 років тому +6

    Thank you for uploading! What was the event? This is longer than the text in the book.

  • @dougcl_
    @dougcl_ 5 років тому +1

    Sincere question: did Foucault not see (or did he disagree with) this distinction between rational and irrational authority?

  • @ZOGGYDOGGY
    @ZOGGYDOGGY 3 роки тому +7

    I dislike being dominated--love autonomy. Democracy should function as reverse dominance hierarchical praxis. Shun, criticise, ridicule, disobey power mongers.

    • @brentberry5218
      @brentberry5218 Рік тому

      I hear a lot of knowledge, wisdom and insightful observations about the roots of the problems. This is invaluable. Now id like to hear about ways in which it is being put to use in positive ways.
      There are some examples. I like the idea of bottom up + top down + left right synergisms.

    • @ZOGGYDOGGY
      @ZOGGYDOGGY Рік тому

      @@brentberry5218 try:
      "Boehm, professor of anthropology and director of the Jane Goodall Research Center at the University of Southern California, ranges broadly in his quest to determine the evolutionary origins of social and political behavior. Combining an exhaustive ethnographic survey of human societies from groups of hunter-gatherers to contemporary residents of the Balkans with a detailed analysis of the behavioral attributes of nonhuman primates (chimpanzees, gorillas, bonobos), Boehm focuses on whether humans are hierarchical or egalitarian by nature. His thesis "is that egalitarianism does not result from the mere absence of hierarchy, as is commonly assumed. Rather egalitarianism involves a very special type of hierarchy, a curious type that is based on antihierarchical feelings." This "Reverse Dominance Hierarchy," as Boehm calls it, depends on the rank and file banding together "to deliberately dominate their potential master if they wish to remain equal." Boehm extends his analysis to argue that the processes of group selection originally advanced by David Sloan Wilson can account for the evolution of altruistic behavior in humans. While Boehm's hypotheses are not always persuasive, they are invariably intriguing and well documented. His presentation can be difficult for the nonspecialist, but he raises topics of wide interest and his book should gain attention." from the Wikipedia entry

  • @politics4270
    @politics4270 Рік тому

    ❤❤

  • @AnthonyStJohn1
    @AnthonyStJohn1 2 місяці тому

    The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness

  • @barbarakiel1310
    @barbarakiel1310 3 місяці тому

    33:00ff very important for my opinion❤

  • @20centswortht91
    @20centswortht91 3 роки тому +5

    90% of the population is reasonable....10% is unreasonable.....reasonable people adapt to the world.... unreasonable people try to adapt the world to suit themselves... therefore ALL CHANGE depends on unreasonable people....

  • @Sokrates1985
    @Sokrates1985 3 місяці тому

    42:14 good and evil are both human; keep this in mind when you get upset or angry, think about it when you hear political propaganda. And be aware of projection.

  • @noramachado
    @noramachado 8 місяців тому

    😍

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 Рік тому

    💯💾🏛Houses of Christ do not build nor by brick..nor by born..but by disobedience the publicopinion..and reaching the light..If you distinguish it by personal exsperience ..cant lose it but stay strong in Jesus name..Today ..Houses of Christ neither speak for human nature ..nor for the nature of nut and the tree of the pinut ..but what did thought..what do say..and what did did ..do the same time!

  • @stephen_pfrimmer
    @stephen_pfrimmer 2 роки тому

    "he finds a new home"

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 Рік тому

    🎸💾🏛Stupid thing...think about it..if man speak by himself..people dont hear use it...if man speak by his Dad..people neither use ..nor hear...people transforme...thats we are seeking for..advancment..pruning indulging...uh let it ..who cares about parole ..without sense..

  • @barbarakiel1310
    @barbarakiel1310 3 місяці тому

    27:57ff ist wichtig (jedenfalls für mich)

  • @clifb.3521
    @clifb.3521 8 місяців тому

    41:39 & 43:08

  • @paulomendes4892
    @paulomendes4892 6 років тому +3

    is this simply Fromm`s projection of his jewish german upbringing or do you americans,brits also experience what he says,the anonymous authority?

    • @ivangoran4461
      @ivangoran4461 3 роки тому +8

      Even those who berate wars and interventionism just slip to programmed reactions when you say "veteran". It`s the magic word that plugs them out of reality and they immediately start praising the system. Praise veterans as if they were not obedient pawns, but martyrs. The veterans themselves realized they were used and abused, they feel bad for what they`ve done, they curse the government, yet find themselves in schizophrenic situation cause everyone is praising them for their stupidity and obedience to government that perpetuate the system.

    • @Gorboduc
      @Gorboduc 2 роки тому +6

      Henry David Thoreau would have agreed with 90% of this talk, and the contemporary books referred to implicitly throughout -
      The Lonely Crowd (1950) and The Organization Man (1956) - are rooted in an American context. The widespread worry at the time was that American traditions of protestant self-reliance were fading into conformity. So, yes.

    • @squidproquo2241
      @squidproquo2241 2 роки тому +2

      Let me ask you this;
      If I asked you, 'who is starting the wars in the world today?', can you give me some names and be certain that those people are the real culprits?
      What is the definition of "False Flag Operation"?

    • @Lalallalu
      @Lalallalu 2 роки тому

      SquidProQuo and all other ‘repliers’ to comments already made: PLEASE REMEMBER your full answers get cut off….

    • @Lalallalu
      @Lalallalu 2 роки тому

      SquidProQuo so you need to break them into chunks before posting them one by one.This enables the debate to flourish🙏

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 Рік тому

    💯🎸💾🏛 Indeed I dont want touch reality..but losing time & energy ..what to find ..what to let..its in place to stand...Church today if dont want..if cant want..hear or dont hear the voice..the voice only ..give you power..go ahead..today if you dont preach ..from the mountain of teach..let aside the bastun of momentary.. intrests..and walk by the power of caracter ..

  • @1828tolstoy
    @1828tolstoy 4 роки тому +1

    515 disob

  • @briandotkoma3722
    @briandotkoma3722 4 місяці тому +2

    And nowadays we have Jordan Peterson as one of the worlds most reknown ''intellectuals" >.

    • @UGPepe
      @UGPepe 4 місяці тому

      you are probably a better intellectual, you should write an article articulating your criticisms of Peterson's ideas

    • @Dystopia2024
      @Dystopia2024 2 місяці тому

      And you are probably even better than both. Enlighten us, please.​@@UGPepe

  • @markwrede8878
    @markwrede8878 4 місяці тому

    Or a byproduct of the mutual extortion society of capitalism?

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 Рік тому

    ♨️ I couldnt tell you the truth ..how much I love you ..cause I could not stoping love you..but my love by inside its too rough to show attention..ey too soft to kill the flame ..but you only love me et I will feel it in the vein..

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 Рік тому

    💾🏛 When Milet speaks do not speak like the world speaks and dont like the world language..when Milet speak speaks the language of Cambridge..the Cambridge of Knowledge ..the Knowledge of Brigitte ..the Briggite of Bardau..the Bardau of Attentcie..the Attencie of Ecutemo..A ..A..A..A ..Far Parlare Comincia Tu..

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 Рік тому

    ♨️🎻👜🥂 Vladimir I dont have power hate you..would kill myself if could not love you..but living the Presence ..give me power forgot the past ed looking ahead..this is the best ever pkace ever met..I love Lara ..the way she look et me and make me feel myself not another I am not and could do..Im just saying the truth to myself ..and myself know the way set me free from the capricioys of the life et the storm of feeling..Thank you ..made me feel so special..being the preferabke women in love of a great presidend..indeed..its so enourmous this surprise life.broyght to me ..and I lived it all..fanatic..et sexy..yeah..the man which women woukd not fall in love..love you ed dont deny..felt so many time..but this is the time to teach stand on legs on the soil..by my english way of exsoressing..guess catch it..

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 Рік тому

    Church today if you hear the voice ..dont think like the take of the snail ed dont stay like the tounge of the dog..but give gas to the strenthen of the heart and let behind evry disibedient to the Christ! Have good luck and enjoy day fully in the harmony with the fix imlerialism of the postmodernisum century such as is happening live! Amida Likaj ..your teacher and friend!

  • @cacurazi
    @cacurazi 4 роки тому +4

    I don't understand. Why is Fromm using the story of Adam & Eve to explain the human nature? Wouldn't be better to study it from an evolutionary point of view where biology would be the main field to look at it?
    Why are psychologists even start to include something which in the first place never happened?

    • @mardishores4016
      @mardishores4016 3 роки тому +1

      I agree. So sick of psychologists referencing the 'Holey Babble' to the problems in modern society! The BABBLE is Fictional, and the 'god' is most unpleasant.

    • @ivangoran4461
      @ivangoran4461 3 роки тому +5

      The story of Adam and Eve does not have higher value than the story of Gilgamesh, or Prometheus. It`s your nervous system`s semantic reaction to the particular story that is different thus feeling it as Fromm gave it more significant value. I recommend reading about time-binding in "General Semantics" of Alfred Korzybski. On this channel, you got some videos of Sanford Berman and Robert Pula, I think also of Korzybski himself.

    • @nellywolf1078
      @nellywolf1078 2 роки тому +16

      Your answer suggests that you don’t know that the stories in the bible are mythological, as are all origin stories of humanity. They were all written to explain the human nature. Ergo, they have a major place in psychology!

    • @nellywolf1078
      @nellywolf1078 2 роки тому +9

      @@mardishores4016 Educate yourself first before writing such nonsense.

    • @geri472
      @geri472 2 роки тому

      @@mardishores4016 you know what? Curse you

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 Рік тому

    🏛♨️ Today if you dont feel the voice in vein..you are doing the job of the sucker of the milk..not only are edding the number but smell worst then the deads believe..why Faith dont leave..Faith dont stand in space by constriction but by Hearing..Am I right..

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 Рік тому

    👠💄🇦🇱♥️🎸💯💾🏛You are the apple if my eye.. suffer why...how my eye look at I..wirh beautiness..not jeanless..you are the apple of my eye.. suffer why..how eye look at my eye..with smothness not carless...smooth operater..

  • @user-xk5xv9yi4w
    @user-xk5xv9yi4w 7 місяців тому

    ...God ia not ..dont kid...what we know want do but do or not do..God is what does he say..and did..such as fullfilled the prophecy ..did not do I but God..add this..thanks..And whatever God say..say I accept God..Im not stupit..lose the match..oh no..

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 2 роки тому

    🙏🏛 The same power gave you power obey to personal exsperience & to disobey to Pubop the same power with lead to be construct in such courage & selftespect you dont care about the pain of yesterday that past & the fear of tomorrow dont want go today if you hear the voice be clear much more then ever & never give up!

  • @amidalikaj7259
    @amidalikaj7259 2 роки тому

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  • @sage.shawaman
    @sage.shawaman 4 роки тому +9

    This is brilliant stuff. Thank you for uploading!