If I understand this lecture and forgive me if I'm wrong Fromm is using his knowledge of psychology to frame nationalism as a form of group narcissism (which I can now spell thanks to him) which prohibits rationalism and gives rise to hatred. And that it is a worse type of narcissism, malevolent narcissism, because the group is proud of what it is rather than anything is has done. So the purpose of the lecture is to argue that reason through humanism is the way forward and not nationalism which promotes the opposite. Appreciate any comments. :)
i think people have predispositions and others for just kicks wanna disagree, we need a context, not just an opinion, i think thats what education is for,and we do an injustice for being elite and narrow minded. I bumped into frommes books and that was O K as i like differant opinions AND historical context.
reasoning is a psychological defence for arguing that motive for narcism is not yourself but logically the only way, usually the scapegoat is that "if i would not do it somebode else would have" or there is a competition so...
Bunch of BS if you ask me. Caring for your community and building an identity and values which give you meaning and purpose is evil. Typical Marxist idiot
I wonder how this masterpiece of reality failed to evoke much deserved attention including the comments which it ought to have received. Truth told wonderfully.
I the present anthropocenic time, we are released by FROMM transcendental humanistic thinking...His Person and Awakenesss are so greatest as his endless humanistic understanding and vision that we all should know to distinct not only as Genius communicating the nacistic tipping point from one individual or social aspect but perhaps the most relevant Visionar of our human nature...The urgent acknowledge of Fromm's utterly realistic way of perception and apprehension of our personal responsibility in our days. Thank You for posting🎉❤
Thank you for the post... "How pathetic indeed are the efforts of those leaders of human institutions who, in utter disregard of the spirit of the age, are striving to adjust national processes, suited to the ancient days of self-contained nations, to an age which must either achieve the unity of the world..." - Baha'i Faith
There is not Christian. Only as a zionist religion which victimizes the pure and innocent every time. And here we have narcisism and culte of ourselves together with sadism.
Very relevant for today and will share...Although these enlightening things are usually like "preaching to the choir". The ones that need to hear it probably won't listen. Still we must try to educate, right? :) Thank you for this.
Here in Catalonia (Spain) we are suffering from This. Not only about our classical spanish "national-catholicism" nationalism, but for the last few years about a majoritarity sector of the so called "independents" who wants to separate Catalonia from the rest of Spain. Also at european levels there are rising again phantoms and ghosts from the past. I hope we could someday be able to see our differences as and act of enrichment and in the human diversity one of our strenghts as human beings. I thought we all had enough of these with the "short 20th century" ... Patriotism (and nationalism) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
i enjoy all the generic right wingers banging on about gulags because they were triggered by nationalism being commented on. They tell us to know our history and yet do not realise Erich Fromms politics or actions. He was not supportive of Stalin and was not in a communist party. He was in the old Socialist Party of America. Which was a completely different thing.
You're clearly ignorant of the fact that nationalism was originally a revolutionary praxis, as well as more rational.
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If interested let me explain..We are not from (nature/god), we are OF (nature.god)..however, in order to have a sense of being unique and separate from the whole, we are gifted an ego. The purpose of the ego is to give us a sense of being separate from the whole...yet it is that illusionary belief of being separate that is the cause of our fear of death..we therefore, to protect our self, will doing anything to make our illusionary self identify as powerful as possible, with money, authoritive powers and even belonging to a powerful group as part of our self identity... that is the purpose of nationalism..........we are actually the individualized expression of the whole, each given a talent to express to it's infinite, as life/god is infinite......nationalism is of the ego..culture is of nature...
I follow a simple but powerful spirituality called Nichiren Buddhism whose study and practice can create the kind of courage that combats abuse of nationalism.Toda sensei and Makiguchi sensei were two practitioneers of this spirituality who combatted abuse of Japanese nationalism during world war 2.
Fromm talks for a good while about the psychological meaning and underpinnings of narcissism, then explains how nationalism is a form of "group narcissism." I can't help but think of the downfall of the left wing in American politics; for the longest time they have been pragmatists, but have warped into a tyrannical, narcissistic counterpart to the right wing. Both sides are so engrossed in their own "correctness" and "moral superiority" that they fail to engage in calm, public discourse. Who will be truly progressive and steer away from violence if not the more scientific and pragmatic political party? Do we have to continue in this downward spiral of miscommunication and narcissism? I know a lot of Critical Theorists like Fromm would say we're pretty much doomed, and if we don't start communicating like adults, I feel it's likely we'll prove them right.
Admittedly, I stopped listening at 8:30 because Fromm was clear that he was presenting a negative view of nationalism ... but isn't Israel one of the most "nationalistic" countries in the world (Fromm is Jewish) ... if not the most nationalistic, even in 1962? This seems like more of the typical hypocrisy where all Western countries are told that they should surrender their cultures and way-of-life to outsiders, while, at the same time, Israel remains staunchly Jewish in their national makeup and culture ... that is to say, only Israel can exercise nationalism.
@@danieldavis5376 I agree ... it doesn't necessarily mean that Fromm was an Israeli nationalist, but there is a strong correlation between Jewish people and an allegiance to Israel ... I think that we can agree on that. The issue is that he was a member of the Frankfurt School for some time (I think that he got booted out for some reason) and the Frankfurt School was well known for their sensitivity to anti-semitism. Why, Horkheimer and Adorno wrote a number of books, perhaps most notably, the Authoritarian Personality that criticized much of Western Christian culture as possibly leading to anti-semtism. Even Freud (not a member as far as I know) stated that inhibiting sexual urges could lead to anti-semitism. This paranoia about anti-semitism is easily projected onto the allegiance and loyalty to the state of Israel. All of that to say that, although correlation is not causation, but it ain't nothing, either!
psycho analysts have to be aware of how people regard them as inanse and that it is better explained by cognitive psychology. like clearly most of it is insane and reductionist with some wacky twist
If I understand this lecture and forgive me if I'm wrong Fromm is using his knowledge of psychology to frame nationalism as a form of group narcissism (which I can now spell thanks to him) which prohibits rationalism and gives rise to hatred. And that it is a worse type of narcissism, malevolent narcissism, because the group is proud of what it is rather than anything is has done. So the purpose of the lecture is to argue that reason through humanism is the way forward and not nationalism which promotes the opposite. Appreciate any comments. :)
i think people have predispositions and others for just kicks wanna disagree, we need a context, not just an opinion, i think thats what education is for,and we do an injustice for being elite and narrow minded. I bumped into frommes books and that was O K as i like differant opinions AND historical context.
reasoning is a psychological defence for arguing that motive for narcism is not yourself but logically the only way, usually the scapegoat is that "if i would not do it somebode else would have" or there is a competition so...
Group hatred _ it's not just one bad apple_ it's a bunch of rotten apples_ and it literally smells like rot.
Think about the behavior of a Nazi.
At the end of WW2 _ instead of sending their children to be saved _ they killed their own children. Says it all.
Bunch of BS if you ask me. Caring for your community and building an identity and values which give you meaning and purpose is evil. Typical Marxist idiot
The 2nd part of the talk about nationalism starts at 26:40. Thank you for uploading!!
I wonder how this masterpiece of reality failed to evoke much deserved attention including the comments which it ought to have received. Truth told wonderfully.
Thank you for uploading these recordings. Thank you.
I the present anthropocenic time, we are released by FROMM transcendental humanistic thinking...His Person and Awakenesss are so greatest as his endless humanistic understanding and vision that we all should know to distinct not only as Genius communicating the nacistic tipping point from one individual or social aspect but perhaps the most relevant Visionar of our human nature...The urgent acknowledge of Fromm's utterly realistic way of perception and apprehension of our personal responsibility in our days. Thank You for posting🎉❤
Thank you for the post... "How pathetic indeed are the efforts of those leaders of human institutions who, in utter disregard of the spirit of the age, are striving to adjust national processes, suited to the ancient days of self-contained nations, to an age which must either achieve the unity of the world..." - Baha'i Faith
Thanks for sharing all these Fromm lectures :)
Really very enlightening 👌
Religious Narcissism (Christian vs Muslim and vise versa) has resurfaced.
There is not Christian. Only as a zionist religion which victimizes the pure and innocent every time. And here we have narcisism and culte of ourselves together with sadism.
I have read most of his books. He is truly a great theorist, combining Psychology, philosophy and developments in the world. A must read.
I feel enlightened.
Very relevant for today and will share...Although these enlightening things are usually like "preaching to the choir". The ones that need to hear it probably won't listen. Still we must try to educate, right? :) Thank you for this.
Tammy Anderson Parker u want to teach Cultural Marxism?
Here in Catalonia (Spain) we are suffering from This. Not only about our classical spanish "national-catholicism" nationalism, but for the last few years about a majoritarity sector of the so called "independents" who wants to separate Catalonia from the rest of Spain. Also at european levels there are rising again phantoms and ghosts from the past.
I hope we could someday be able to see our differences as and act of enrichment and in the human diversity one of our strenghts as human beings. I thought we all had enough of these with the "short 20th century" ...
Patriotism (and nationalism) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
@KVLTVR must be time for a nappy change
thank you
When and where was this speech given? (1962 or 1964, and at what institution?)
Thanks in advance to whoever has this information.
Group narcissism promotes censorship in the act of forbidding an attack on the narcissistic group ego.
Group called humanity is what people need to attach themselves to ....
Us vs. Them?
It's U.S vs. Them now lol
i enjoy all the generic right wingers banging on about gulags because they were triggered by nationalism being commented on. They tell us to know our history and yet do not realise Erich Fromms politics or actions. He was not supportive of Stalin and was not in a communist party. He was in the old Socialist Party of America. Which was a completely different thing.
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You're clearly ignorant of the fact that nationalism was originally a revolutionary praxis, as well as more rational.
If interested let me explain..We are not from (nature/god), we are OF (nature.god)..however, in order to have a sense of being unique and separate from the whole, we are gifted an ego. The purpose of the ego is to give us a sense of being separate from the whole...yet it is that illusionary belief of being separate that is the cause of our fear of death..we therefore, to protect our self, will doing anything to make our illusionary self identify as powerful as possible, with money, authoritive powers and even belonging to a powerful group as part of our self identity... that is the purpose of nationalism..........we are actually the individualized expression of the whole, each given a talent to express to it's infinite, as life/god is infinite......nationalism is of the ego..culture is of nature...
The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness
I follow a simple but powerful spirituality called Nichiren Buddhism whose study and practice can create the kind of courage that combats abuse of nationalism.Toda sensei and Makiguchi sensei were two practitioneers of this spirituality who combatted abuse of Japanese nationalism during world war 2.
Every country needs an enemy. Created enemies are the best. Far away ones are the best.
Trump brought me here. lol
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He was Karen Horney's boyfriend.
Fromm talks for a good while about the psychological meaning and underpinnings of narcissism, then explains how nationalism is a form of "group narcissism." I can't help but think of the downfall of the left wing in American politics; for the longest time they have been pragmatists, but have warped into a tyrannical, narcissistic counterpart to the right wing. Both sides are so engrossed in their own "correctness" and "moral superiority" that they fail to engage in calm, public discourse. Who will be truly progressive and steer away from violence if not the more scientific and pragmatic political party? Do we have to continue in this downward spiral of miscommunication and narcissism? I know a lot of Critical Theorists like Fromm would say we're pretty much doomed, and if we don't start communicating like adults, I feel it's likely we'll prove them right.
Great comment, thisi s the essential problem we dot seem to be able to overcome. The left has failed miserably in my book as well
It's official then... we're totally fucked... college students are becoming like children to the point that they get together to get an educator fired
did he have to sneak out of Germany or was he able to leave legally under the NSDAP?
Who was the narcissistic actress he was referring to.
11:09 - Definition of narcissist
...The concept which I will talk..refers to nations...to little identities...including....for the narvistic person tgst is only thing is real..
Trump should licen to him.
oh man, you're leaving your self wide open here
It would have to be converted to Colorful Graphs to even get him to pay attention, and he would be convinced it was "Fake News."
I take it by "licen" you mean "listen."
He drops "H" in favor of "Y" like Bernie Sanders.
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Narcissistic charge.
Admittedly, I stopped listening at 8:30 because Fromm was clear that he was presenting a negative view of nationalism ... but isn't Israel one of the most "nationalistic" countries in the world (Fromm is Jewish) ... if not the most nationalistic, even in 1962? This seems like more of the typical hypocrisy where all Western countries are told that they should surrender their cultures and way-of-life to outsiders, while, at the same time, Israel remains staunchly Jewish in their national makeup and culture ... that is to say, only Israel can exercise nationalism.
He was born to Jewish parents. Anyway being Jewish, doesn't lead to the conclusion that he supports the state of Israel.
@@danieldavis5376 I agree ... it doesn't necessarily mean that Fromm was an Israeli nationalist, but there is a strong correlation between Jewish people and an allegiance to Israel ... I think that we can agree on that. The issue is that he was a member of the Frankfurt School for some time (I think that he got booted out for some reason) and the Frankfurt School was well known for their sensitivity to anti-semitism. Why, Horkheimer and Adorno wrote a number of books, perhaps most notably, the Authoritarian Personality that criticized much of Western Christian culture as possibly leading to anti-semtism. Even Freud (not a member as far as I know) stated that inhibiting sexual urges could lead to anti-semitism. This paranoia about anti-semitism is easily projected onto the allegiance and loyalty to the state of Israel. All of that to say that, although correlation is not causation, but it ain't nothing, either!
Rename the video to "The psychology of terrorists" :(
The title is unfortunate. If you think this is about nationalism, and as such someone else's problem, you missed the point.
And I could not save your life
Now very one and their mother can spell “ Narcissism” 😂 sad fact but it’s a pervasive condition in an abhorrent society, and Fromm knew it was coming.
Ya but GLOBALISM is ok.🤪👌
psycho analysts have to be aware of how people regard them as inanse and that it is better explained by cognitive psychology. like clearly most of it is insane and reductionist with some wacky twist
That’s not at all clear.