How to fix a HEI Distributor Pickup Magnet Polarity Issue

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  • Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
  • I first ran across this magnet polarity issue 2 years ago on the Buick 455 Powered 1985 C20 Chevrolet Suburban. It took me almost 6 months to work this issue out due to the lack of information available on the internet and personal experience. When I ran across it again, I knew it was time for a video, since many people must be having the same issue with their HEI Pickup Coils.
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  • @kimdearrington258
    @kimdearrington258 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for pointing out this issue, I'm certain that hundreds of people have had this problem and pulled their hair out trying to figure out what was wrong.

    • @djrowe10
      @djrowe10 10 місяців тому

      I am one of them. My machine shop owner recommended this video. 👍

  • @JrsGaragePa
    @JrsGaragePa 2 роки тому +5

    Good info to know. I never dreamed that would be an issue, always assumed they were all the same

  • @atlas869
    @atlas869 Рік тому +2

    because of this video i changed the pickup coil in my motorhome and it hasn't ran that good in years!! thx so much for saying the missing at idle!!! what a difference!!

  • @67L-88
    @67L-88 2 роки тому +3

    Years ago and years before that I bought several new pick-up coils made by Accel in the dollar bin at a swap meet. So we install one in an SBC it ran like crap and we noticed that two cylinders were running way retarded as the exhaust manifold would glow red. Anyway, we just popped in a spare distributor and all was well. We never did look at the distributor but we always said buy junk at the swap meet and this is what you get. So now I wonder if that was really a non-chevy application coil. Interesting food for thought...

  • @racerx7319
    @racerx7319 2 роки тому +2

    NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE . THANKS FOR THE INFO.

  • @bossbuick8615
    @bossbuick8615 2 роки тому +1

    thank you it's true you learn something new every day and this is a new one for me keep up the good work

  • @alantrimble2881
    @alantrimble2881 2 роки тому +5

    If the polarity magnet polarity is backwards, just flip the polarity of the pickup coil output wires.

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому +1

    The HEI GM Ignition has What is called expanding Dwell.
    At idle Dwell time is 4-8 degrees by reference of crankshaft rotation.
    At 3000-4000 rpm crank speed the Dwell expands to 40 -50 degrees
    Its Varying the Ignition coil Saturation time

  • @dondotterer24
    @dondotterer24 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the video. Very important helping people

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    Mumble Jumbo to all I know but that is what taking place
    Taught Electronics Engineering all.
    Became a Mechanic been valuable knowledge and skills I posses no other Mechanics alive have but myself

  • @fsj197811
    @fsj197811 2 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing and I hope to see some video of you running Lemons. 🙂

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    The Pickup coil in all MSD , Chrysler, Ford, GM HEI, and Early 1963 Pontiac And Corvette Transistor Electronic Ignition is an AC Signal generator.
    It creates A Saw Tooth AC Signal.
    There is Phasing to that signal correct.
    Negative polarization and Positive Polarization.

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    I have Electronics background that started Professional 1987 year.
    Hand picked out of my Highschool for an local electronics tech job through College.

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    What takes place to expand Dwell time is the AC Signal is Rectified and fed into an Op Amp or Operatial Amplifier.
    Gate Transistor circuits before being Netwirked connected to the Darlington Transistor.

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    Hexidecimal counter.
    Same is is used in our Vintage Musclecar dashboard, Console, and Hood mounted Tachometer a Hexi decimal TTL Counter with special RF filters

  • @tombrown879
    @tombrown879 2 роки тому +1

    It would be interesting to test what the polarity is on a Chevrolet. I'm leaning towards this may be solely a manufacturing issue. Has shaft under the distributor cares not from what side it is being spun from you could literally just spin the shaft from the bottom in the center as long as it's turning the correct way. And as for the phasing as long as the magnet bolts in correctly the phasing should be correct. I believe that they are just not testing the magnet or not caring about testing the magnet before gluing it to the metal ring in the manufacturing process.

    • @tombrown879
      @tombrown879 2 роки тому

      If it is a type of electromagnet. Maybe you could just swap the polarity of the wires going into the magnet assembly.

    • @alantrimble2881
      @alantrimble2881 2 роки тому

      @@tombrown879 It's not an electromagnet. It's a permanent magnet surrounded by a coil of wire. When the iron pole piece on the distributor shaft spins, a current is induced in the coil of wire. The module contains an analog to digital converter that converts the current/voltage signal to a digital signal. Also within the module is an amplifier circuit and a switching transistor. The amplified digital signal is used to control the transistor. The transistor takes the place of mechanical points. That is, it cycles the negative terminal of the coil to ground in order to fire the coil.

  • @dondotterer24
    @dondotterer24 2 роки тому

    I always use a good used distributor and adjust the end play with factory parts or ones from performance Distributors.

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    Inside of that GM HEI module is A Darlington Transistor.. PNP Based Transistor

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    Also the Chineese Cheet skimp out on the Original design Parameters criteria set by AC DELCO REMY ELECTRONICS ENGINERS.
    Original Functional HEI Module is Gold and Diamonda

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    Also inside the GM HEI Module is a basic computer, bit really because you need a Quarts or Nuclear Atomuc Isotopes clock signal generator oscillator to quality as a True Computer.

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    To Veify AC Signal phasing correct you need an Oscilloscope or its trial and error without

  • @firstrespondergarage
    @firstrespondergarage 2 роки тому

    Um, more on that car please looks interesting.

  • @daniellachance9730
    @daniellachance9730 2 роки тому

    Great vid!

  • @dondotterer24
    @dondotterer24 2 роки тому

    Yes I weld the slots up for what I want.

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    It's also a basic Tachometer RPM Counter the Op Anp.

  • @willdy
    @willdy Рік тому

    I think you could've swapped the coil with a reverse polarity model to also fix the problem rather than swapping the magnets. Chevy =red, yellow & black wires while reverse polarity Buick =red, white & black wires

  • @robertsoutherland137
    @robertsoutherland137 10 місяців тому

    U know that dimple on the gear has to line up with rotor or it will be off phase, it can go on 2 ways

  • @patrickbooth2329
    @patrickbooth2329 Рік тому

    This may be my problem i bought brand new distributor from summit i never thought it would be a turd . so i got another new one same problem . new different spark plug wires set valves new spark plugs . still vacum 10 and with lots of advance timming runs better but still $hitty . so after 2 distributers now its time to look inside .oh i forgot to mention this has 2 4 barrels and 468 cub

  • @forthwithtx5852
    @forthwithtx5852 2 роки тому

    Interesting problem.

  • @brracing7861
    @brracing7861 2 роки тому

    There was an Article Writen in High Peformance Pontiac magazine all about Electronic basic Theory of GM HEI Wriitten by Don Kief I recall 1994 Year.
    I have that HPP Issue put away yet, a Lucerene Blue 1970-1/2 Trans Am Grace's the Magazine cover I know.
    I get to 500 subs I will have my community page able to post Vintage articles and photos of my past and present just Like I used to do on the Internet Car Forums
    Something that has sucked about You Tube must have 500 subs to post pictures

  • @mopster1913
    @mopster1913 2 роки тому

    Can I reuse my intake manifold gasket on my buick 350?

    • @mr.roddersneighborhood2740
      @mr.roddersneighborhood2740  2 роки тому

      Generally the steel pan gasket can be cleaned and reused. The china rail gaskets normally cannot be reused and require purchase of a second gasket to get new china rail gaskets. If you have the china rail gaskets on hand... reuse the steel valley pan gasket.

  • @davidrowland2354
    @davidrowland2354 Рік тому

    Would this be a thing on a 83 chevy g30

  • @dondotterer24
    @dondotterer24 2 роки тому

    Is that the mixed up carb? Does the power enrichment work with the 6 tube top?

    • @mr.roddersneighborhood2740
      @mr.roddersneighborhood2740  2 роки тому

      No that’s not the same carb. That’s a 75 model carb with the weird 3rd metering rod.

    • @dondotterer24
      @dondotterer24 2 роки тому

      @@mr.roddersneighborhood2740 OK just wondering. Never did that before.

    • @dondotterer24
      @dondotterer24 2 роки тому

      @@mr.roddersneighborhood2740 scammers are your channel like others

  • @gordonborsboom7460
    @gordonborsboom7460 2 роки тому

    Have you ever considered using a factory ESC module and knock sensor version of the HEI with the multi pin module? Possibly would give knock retard to an older motor.
    Would such a system (Chevy) work on BOP application?
    Just a thought.

    • @mr.roddersneighborhood2740
      @mr.roddersneighborhood2740  2 роки тому

      There is a guy who was making small body HEI’s from the Chevrolet to fit a BOP application. I do not even know if he is still around. It would work I believe

  • @Greaseland
    @Greaseland 2 роки тому

    I'm available to drive the Lemons car.

    • @mr.roddersneighborhood2740
      @mr.roddersneighborhood2740  2 роки тому

      We are full up on drivers... That's for sure! I'll do an episode on the Lemons Car. People are asking, so I'll deliver.

  • @unclesquirrel6951
    @unclesquirrel6951 2 роки тому +1

    Personally I blame squirrels

    • @SweatyFatGuy
      @SweatyFatGuy 2 роки тому +1

      Its still the woodchucks directing the squirrels... commisar woodchucks.

    • @unclesquirrel6951
      @unclesquirrel6951 2 роки тому

      @@SweatyFatGuy 😁

  • @watsisbuttndo829
    @watsisbuttndo829 Рік тому

    That's some black belt level diag, I had the same issue on a 1980,s yamaha 4 wheeler once. Hard starting and stuck on max advance. A recent ignition pulse coil replacement had been carried out and all measurable parameters were by the book. Replacement pulse coil had to be soldered in and the wire tails were both the same colour. Flipped the wiring over and all was good. Subscribed.