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Reckless 10L - Ultralight Dirt Bike Camping Trip | Mosko Moto

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  • Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
  • How little can you take on an overnight moto trip (in the mountains, in the rain) and still enjoy camping? In this video, Pete (CEO) & Scott (Director of Apparel) go singletrack camping on their dirt bikes with Mosko Moto Reckless 10L Systems and backpacks. They talk about the bags, what they packed, and what they wore.
    Questions, Ideas, and Pro-tips?? Share them in the comments below!
    The Reckless 10L System:
    moskomoto.com/products/reckless-10l-system

КОМЕНТАРІ • 133

  • @CarlosThomas
    @CarlosThomas 2 роки тому +11

    That is my kind of camping/packing. The "carry less and enjoy more" concept allows for maximum smiles on the trails. Well done!

  • @babar69110
    @babar69110 Рік тому +2

    you know when guys are real enduro ones. they show you gears and each time just throw or drop them on ground :) :) :) Love it !

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  11 місяців тому

      Haha, so true! Thanks for watching.

  • @troynicolls5377
    @troynicolls5377 2 роки тому +1

    Hey Pete! Troy Nicolls here. Me and my buddy Cory Rhea met you on the trail in the Trout Creeks last week (I was the one with the fruity homemade gear).Only true DS rider weve ever met in 7 years... and solo no less. We made 948 miles back to Fields. What an AWESOME ride. Great dissertation on ultralight gear. Right up my alley... except for my archaic and heavy DRZ. It's not hard to go light if you have the right gear and leave your cordless toothbrushes at home. Looks like a great ride. Was very nice meeting you and hope to meet again someday! Safe Journeys. Troy

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      Hey Troy! Just relayed your message to Pete. He'd love to connect with you via email. If you feel comfortable leaving your email address here, great! If not, shoot a message to our service team with it at moskomoto@moskomoto.com 🤘

  • @glossblack1098
    @glossblack1098 2 роки тому +5

    This has inspired me so much. I usually leave all the camping gear behind in order to stay light, and ride from town to town staying in cheap pubs. Gotta re-fuel about once a day anyway. But I reckon camping out is the go, with ultra-light compact gear. Thanks for posting this. Cheers from Australia

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      ABC: Always Be Camping - Cheers, mate!

    • @maxflight777
      @maxflight777 Рік тому

      Yeah , the camping gives you the nice feeling and the fab views. Worth discomfort and cold sometimes to get the feeling !

  • @stephtraveler7378
    @stephtraveler7378 4 місяці тому +1

    Looks great. I use the R10 but only for day trips. Having real food, water, pillow, camp chair, tent footprint, warm clothes, change of socks, a zero degree bag, camp shoes, and an electric pump make camping much more enjoyable. I use the R80 when camping....

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  4 місяці тому

      It's nice to have options! That way you can select the right tool for the job.

  • @liamhiggins3500
    @liamhiggins3500 Рік тому +1

    I have been wanting to do this for a while but wasn’t sure if there were folks doing it (single track lightweight camping). So glad I came upon this. Cheers!

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  Рік тому

      Heck yeah, Liam! Light and tight. Hope you make it happen and have a blast.

  • @SlowEddie
    @SlowEddie 2 роки тому +2

    Changing the game with these prototypes and next level design. Looking forward to when these items are available.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +3

      Thanks for the comment and support! We're working to get the new packs and products out ASAP. Stay tuned.

    • @SlowEddie
      @SlowEddie 2 роки тому +1

      @@MoskoMoto Heck yes.

  • @2wheeltango
    @2wheeltango 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the load out!

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      BRAAP!

    • @scottlilly4091
      @scottlilly4091 2 роки тому

      When is the chest rig going to drop?

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      @@scottlilly4091 fingers crossed for January '22

  • @pinkiewerewolf
    @pinkiewerewolf Рік тому

    Thanks for taking the time to video your gear/load out. I'm researching your Wildcat packs so this was super helpful. I might have to get the 12L over the 8 L. Definitely the chest rig.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  Рік тому +1

      Glad it was helpful! The extra capacity of the 12L does make it a little pretty versatile when compared to the 8L. The 8L is great if you want to limit the amount of weight you carry on your back. 👌

    • @pinkiewerewolf
      @pinkiewerewolf Рік тому

      @@MoskoMoto Thanks for the reply. Recent back/abdominal issue made me decide on the Wildcat 8L with the chest rig. What an awesome combination. I’ve only used it a couple of times so far but it does everything that I need. The chest rig is really what sold me but when they arrived I am really happy with the Wildcat as well.
      Every rider should buy one of these systems.

  • @bankaydin
    @bankaydin 2 роки тому +2

    Super awesome :) You guys should try hammocks - makes wet + uneven ground a non-issue. I don't even bring cook gear sometimes. Just bring a sandwhich and protein bars.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      Hammocks are a good idea, definitely smaller and lighter than a tent. And there are PLENTY of trees in this neck of the woods haha.

  • @JohnTYoung
    @JohnTYoung 2 роки тому +3

    Alright, add the R10 to my Christmas list. LOL. Time to show the KTM 300XC-W what an enduro tour ride looks like.

  • @rideoregonfirst
    @rideoregonfirst 2 роки тому +2

    Greetings from Hood River! It sure is nice to have the single track open back up again after a dry Summer. Nice video showing how light you can go, when you need to travel light.
    I've never camped off the dirt bike, hmmmm....

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      Greetings! Come to the shop in White Salmon and say hello some time

  • @jaytownjunkyardfiles1999
    @jaytownjunkyardfiles1999 2 роки тому +1

    This is awesome, shows all you need or not need to get it done and still have fun.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      Less stuff, more fun!

  • @k_plax
    @k_plax 2 роки тому +3

    What a great video on how to ride light. Im surprised that there arent more such simple concise packing videos such as this.
    A lot of product names there in the vid. It'd be great if you could do a slightly longer version recorded out on the trail too, to go into a bit more detail on what the actual products are, when to use them (climate etc), and how they performed. ✌🏼

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +2

      Excellent feedback, thanks! We're excited about producing more video content like this. Stay tuned!

  • @ricklieberson5576
    @ricklieberson5576 Рік тому +1

    Outstanding video! Thanks Pete and Scotty!

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  Рік тому

      Thanks for checking it out, Rick!

  • @berniemcglone2813
    @berniemcglone2813 2 роки тому +2

    I'm looking forward to your new product line, great gears as all ways cheers

  • @Permitmon
    @Permitmon 9 місяців тому +1

    Very cool. Great content. You didn’t mention camera gear. Can you mention what and how you carried? Thanks!

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  9 місяців тому

      This video was shot entirely with our cell phones. We have used many action cameras and drones, but cell phones are a big part of our video recording on trips like this.

  • @emacsluggertron
    @emacsluggertron 2 роки тому +1

    Cool to see similar gear & thought processes from thru hiking applied in different industries. Now you guys should go do the same trip on some retro bikes with some old school framed Kelly packs and 80’s gear. Don’t forget the Budweiser

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      YES. Retro bikes with some old school framed Kelly packs and 80’s gear - sign me up haha

  • @PierceHodges
    @PierceHodges 2 роки тому +1

    Already building out a minimalist camping kit! Gonna have to snag the Reckless 10 to keep me in line.

  • @thirteeno
    @thirteeno 5 місяців тому +1

    Handle bar bag FILLED WITH SNACKS 😂

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  5 місяців тому

      That's the best place to keep them! Within arms reach!

  • @johnsalimadv2019
    @johnsalimadv2019 2 роки тому +1

    Very good explanation , greeting from Indonesia Sir

  • @SlowEddie
    @SlowEddie 2 роки тому +1

    🤘 Rock on. You guys are gangsters.

  • @DF4Trap
    @DF4Trap 2 роки тому +1

    Makes a lot of sense, thanks for sharing.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      thanks for commenting! see you out there

  • @alistairnicol-nw
    @alistairnicol-nw 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome recap video guys! Stoked to see you hone in the weight / gear ratios to allow riding more advanced singletrack at a faster pace. It's quite challenging to ride the more technical terrain with a fully loaded / weighted Reckless 40 with gas, water, camp gear etc. on the back of a little bike. As much as riding without a backpack is more comfortable and less fatiguing for sure, it does free up the suspension to work better by shifting some of the weight to mid-bike on these sensitive trail bikes. Having more balanced suspension for the long steep hill climbs with large root ledges, narrow singletrack on cliff edges, and tight exposed switchbacks make a difference. I do need to do more testing with getting the sag / preload dialed in for loaded rides. // For the phone battery issue in colder weather / multi-day trips I'm going to test an install of a simple USB charger port hooked up to the bike's battery on the 300 XC. I usually bring a backup charger as you had on this trip, but thinking about saving a little more weight and trying out a built-in charger e.g. BikeMaster USB Charger Kit $23 on Slavens Racing. (Perhaps a downside is you can't plug it in at night while in your bivy / tent...) The USB cable should pair well up to the Quad Lock Phone Mount I've been testing for navigating with the iPhone and it's held up perfectly so far. For very rough sections I sometimes put the phone away in the bar bag for peace of mind, then remount when I need a rolling visual. // Thank you for sharing your explorations to help the rest of us! Hoping to join you guys on some of these super-light moto camp missions in 2022!

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      Awesome ideas and feedback, Alistair! Cheers, Mate! Super-light moto camp missions in 2022!

  • @Braapncamp
    @Braapncamp 2 роки тому +1

    Looks like an awesome advride guys! Alot of cool gear as well thanks for taking us thru it. Keep it up and thanks for making great gear to the community 👌🙌

  • @jeffward4797
    @jeffward4797 2 роки тому +1

    Great story and useful info! Thanks for pushing the boundaries and sharing the knowledge. Look forward to seeing more!

  • @WheelDrivenADV
    @WheelDrivenADV 2 роки тому +1

    Show more of the trip!

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      Will do! Thanks for the feedback. We plan on making a lot more videos like this.

  • @teephud369
    @teephud369 2 роки тому

    Wow! Great video. I thought I was packing light when I downsized from Reckless 80's to Reckless 40's, but I don't carry much on my back.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      Thanks for watching, Dave! The R40 is a minimalist setup too. Keeping weight off of your back is an awesome way to travel. Nice setup.

  • @chriscooper2264
    @chriscooper2264 2 роки тому

    Awesome trip! Glad everyone made it back it back in one piece. :)

  • @mhmdharba
    @mhmdharba 2 роки тому +1

    Hell yes this inspired me !
    Great video !
    Been saving and waiting for this black friday deals !
    Keep up the great work 💪

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      Thanks for the support! Happy Trails!

  • @MrHadrian71
    @MrHadrian71 2 роки тому

    Excellent vid guys! Looking buzzed out!

  • @nevilleguard3558
    @nevilleguard3558 2 роки тому +1

    Pete where is the cheat rig on the website? Great video nice to see the equipment and the way you use it.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      The chest rig will be available along side our new Wildcat backpacks which we're expecting this Fall.

  • @moxomcreativeadventures7722
    @moxomcreativeadventures7722 2 роки тому

    Super cool.. i have a excf350 setup for overnight rides.. similar setup.. looking forward to the chest kit, backpack reveal.
    I have a bunch of mosko gear already..!!

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      RAD! Thanks for your support!

  • @hhlbmx
    @hhlbmx 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome video! good info. what did you guys film with? It would be cool if you had a little more riding footage but it looks like you do most of the filming while off the bike.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +2

      All this footage was filmed using iphones.

  • @ilcinghio69
    @ilcinghio69 2 роки тому +1

    Veramente interessante il prototipo di zaino con tasca anteriore , quando sarà messo in produzione ?
    The prototype backpack with front pocket is really interesting, when will it be put into production?

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      Our Wildcat pack will be available for preorder this week! We expect them to arrive mid-late August.

  • @obomasinladen
    @obomasinladen 2 роки тому

    This is super awesome. Definitely Inspiring my summer adventures. I enjoy UL backpacking and mountain biking but doing the two consistently throughout a season is time consuming, tiring and just overall difficult. I'll be getting into some trail/enduro riding/camping this summer. Hope to see more like this from you guys!

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks, James! Hope we see ya out on the trail!

  • @johnhoaglun1
    @johnhoaglun1 2 роки тому +1

    I love the video. I am trying to figure out how bring less shit on my adventure bike. You hauled like 1/2 or less what someone typically brings for an overnight enabling a great time on the dirt bikes.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      bring less, ride more!

  • @sanjosejeff
    @sanjosejeff Рік тому +1

    Bad ass guys. I was thinking of getting the reckless 40. I wonder if carrying identical gear and just strapping it down right would almost be the same thing.
    Just trying to save buying yet another set of luggage

    • @sanjosejeff
      @sanjosejeff Рік тому +1

      Btw looks like a nice Idaho trip😉

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  Рік тому

      Thanks, Jeff! Might be worth trying. Keep us posted!

  • @burleybackroads4442
    @burleybackroads4442 2 роки тому +2

    Great video (better gear). I'm very interested in the chest rig. If this is a prototype, will the Mosko team have this available for the 2022 riding season? (I cannot find it on the site today.)

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      Chest rig coming to the Mosko site ASAP - stay tuned!

  • @Marsmeister1
    @Marsmeister1 2 роки тому

    I LOVE the backpack!!! When I the estimated release date? Saw the prototype in some videos and post before and in the Mosko blog

  • @NPR10665
    @NPR10665 2 роки тому +1

    Damn, I was thinking the Reckless 40, this may have changed my mind.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      Tough decision. Let us know what you decide!

    • @hhlbmx
      @hhlbmx 2 роки тому

      If youre only gonna get 1 Id get the 40. you can always under pack it. but any multiday trip would be pushing it with less than the 40. i love it

  • @52kr
    @52kr 2 роки тому +1

    Great teaser video, thanks! 🙃👍
    Which colors are your Woodsmans? Doesn't seem your wearing the same.. I'm considering buying one and am still undecided about the color, so this information would help.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      Hey Daniel, Scotty is wearing the Tamarack Woodsman pant and Pete is wearing the Canyon II Woodsman pant. The third color we are currently offering is called Obsidian, a black x faded black colorway. I hope you can get your preferred size in your preferred color, these pants are very popular and selling out quickly. We will produce more for next season. Happy trails!

    • @52kr
      @52kr 2 роки тому

      @@MoskoMoto Thanks a lot! I know I'm speculating, but I hope to see supply chains return to normal levels next year and I need the pants only next autumn... So still in good hope I am 😉

  • @paulg101
    @paulg101 Рік тому +1

    Pete's chest rig has a different connection to what's available online. What happened there, was it not put into production? I like the bright blue Mosko name that also doesn't seem to be online. The other guy, how does his chest rig attach to his different brand back pack? Is the phone pocket on the chest rig water proof/resistant?

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  Рік тому

      Hey Paul, Pete was testing a prototype in this video. We've since updated, improved, and released the Chest Rig. :) Hope this provides some clarity!

  • @Oosik91
    @Oosik91 2 роки тому

    Kudos to the neck brace

  • @living2rv822
    @living2rv822 2 роки тому

    Fun stuff.

  • @stefanmullen7675
    @stefanmullen7675 2 роки тому +1

    When are those chest rigs coming out?

  • @WheelDrivenADV
    @WheelDrivenADV 2 роки тому +1

    Chest Rig is coming out soon?

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      coming soon, stay tuned! (Not promising any dates in an effort not to jinx the shipping x receiving haha)

    • @WheelDrivenADV
      @WheelDrivenADV 2 роки тому

      @@MoskoMoto Well take my money. haha Love the equipment.

  • @2wheeltango
    @2wheeltango 2 роки тому +1

    When is that chest rig hittin the web site?

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      coming soon, stay tuned! (Not promising any dates in an effort not to jinx the shipping x receiving haha)

  • @maxflight777
    @maxflight777 Рік тому +1

    Pete ..may I please ask? What riding pants are those ?

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  Рік тому

      Hey Max! Both Pete and Scott are wearing our Woodsman Enduro Pant (in the boot version). Check them out here: moskomoto.com/products/woodsman-enduro-pant

  • @richardallen7901
    @richardallen7901 2 роки тому +1

    You mentioned you're running tubeless tires. Can I ask about your set up for that?

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      Hey Richard, not sure what Pete's setup is. We can comment on any Mosko related gear questions you might have though!

  • @timphoto83ec
    @timphoto83ec 2 роки тому +1

    Can i ask why Woodsman pants over the Basilisk ? Im tossing up between the 2 for multi Day back country hot through to cold trips here in Australia on my R1250gs.

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому

      A big difference between the two is that the Basilisk is fully waterproof, while the Woodsman is not. To put into real life context, most of us here run the Woodsman when we're riding more technical terrain and we know we probably won't run into a lot of weather (rain). The Basilisk is our fully-waterproof touring kit.

    • @timphoto83ec
      @timphoto83ec 2 роки тому

      @@MoskoMoto more airflow through the woodsman? Amy plans to do them in black?

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      @@timphoto83ec the Woodsman is more breathable than the Basilisk. We released an all black version of the Woodsman that we hope will be back in-stock this June.

  • @pistonhead31
    @pistonhead31 2 роки тому +1

    I am about to buy Jersey from mosko I am 108kg 6ft1 and normally XL but I will hBe 5,5 leat under should I go size up? XXL!? Many thank, guy's

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      We recommend sticking with your normal size in the our jersey's :)

  • @roebucksadventure
    @roebucksadventure Рік тому +1

    do you still sale the Deluge rain gear

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  Рік тому +1

      Hey Dennis! We're in the midst of updating the Deluge jacket and pant (new name is the IR Kit). We expect it to be available later this year. Stay tuned!

  • @ExploringCabinsandMines
    @ExploringCabinsandMines Рік тому +1

    Just did the same thing with my kids ,
    check it out.

  • @d.Cog420
    @d.Cog420 6 місяців тому +1

    Was the first guy's crotch kind of soaking wet? Really want to hit the buy now button on the Woodsman's, they look mega comfy and I have standalone knee guards so that part's ok but I live in a wet country and riding then sleeping with wet ballsacks is not as much fun now as it was in my teens. And the overprant solution just means carrying more gear. These first world problems are killing me 😡🙄 Thanks for posting your kit too. I still do bivvy in the wet but with a tarp over the top but those tents pack down so small these days there's hardly a saving going with a bivvy now. Your Mosko gear looks top notch, I ride with a guy who is fully kitted and its total quality. Where did the name come from?

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  6 місяців тому

      Scottie was also wearing light waterproof overpants when it was raining like our Barfly Pants. The Woodsman isn't completely waterproof because we still wanted the pants to be able to breathe when you're working hard on the bike.
      Our name, Mosko Moto, is an abbreviation of "Mosquito Coast" (aka "La Moskitia"), a remote and sparsely-traveled region in Eastern Honduras and Nicaragua.

  • @CommieHunter7
    @CommieHunter7 2 роки тому +1

    Given the gear was getting wet (tent and the stuff in one leg bag) and the soaked gloves, etc, how do you think it would have gone if you were doing 2 or 3 nights?

    • @MoskoMoto
      @MoskoMoto  2 роки тому +1

      2 or 3 nights in these conditions would definitely be more challenging. Doable, but... enjoyable?

    • @CommieHunter7
      @CommieHunter7 2 роки тому

      @@MoskoMoto right. We were on a 10-day trip and ended up with conditions like this in the middle. We opted to bail into a town. I don't know if there is a set of gear that can handle this in a multi-day scenario (even if you pack a bit more).

    • @babar69110
      @babar69110 Рік тому

      @@CommieHunter7 tipi tent and a fuel stove you use to dry gears and boots, hanged on the center pole and using some ropes too around to hang socks , gloves,etc... ;) you can even use small pc fan to speed up the process. For sure, kept dry and warm is the only thing which matters

  • @thorheimdal2235
    @thorheimdal2235 2 роки тому +1

    👍🙋‍♂️🇧🇻

  • @damytzeus
    @damytzeus 2 роки тому +2

    how does this make sense? seems like packing a reckless 40, with compression straps, and ditching all the shit on the body, like back pack, makes more sense versus packing reckless 10 and back pack. back pack places stress on the lower back, leading to more fatigue and long-term deterioration of the discs in the spine. this is one reason that overweight people, especially those carrying weight around the mid section are more likely to suffer back pain and other health challenges. sorry, this packing strategy doesn't seem to make sense. my $0.02 -if it's even worth that.

    • @Armour783
      @Armour783 2 роки тому +2

      This exactly. You're still bringing just as much stuff, just throw it in the bikes bags instead of putting additional weight on your body. Their packing doesn't make sense to me either.

    • @peterday7704
      @peterday7704 2 роки тому +5

      That is what we thought too when we first tried to do this same thing last year. We found there were many obstacles which we could not climb or traverse (without a helper lifting and pushing) when all the gear was on the bike. Like uphill root and rock sections on a steep hill for example. You can loft the front wheel easily - because the weight on the back of the bike makes it naturally want to flip backwards - but then the over-weighted back tire rams into the obstacle, throwing your body forward and killing your uphill momentum. Someone else then has to come back to help get you over, which takes forever. Same thing on the next obstacle, and the next one. Trail bikes are sensitive to weight being back over the rear fender vs forward and low on the pegs. Also the added width of the larger bags was sketchy on exposed sidehill rock sections where the gear was rubbing on the rocks on one side, and the other side is a steep drop off. It’s slow going. Those were some of the problems we ran into on earlier versions of this trip. On those trips we covered less terrain in two days than we would in a single day of riding the same bikes without gear. We were getting stuck on things we knew we could normally climb. This time, splitting gear between our bodies and the bikes worked much better. It basically felt like two days of trail riding. Putting gear on your body adds physical fatigue, but it affects the bike much less, so you can get up, over, and through stuff that you wouldn’t otherwise. That’s what I’ve found after much trial & error. Your experience may differ of course. Personally I still don’t wear a backpack when I’m touring on a larger bike on mellower terrain, only on small bikes in harder terrain. Hope that helps explain!

    • @peterday7704
      @peterday7704 2 роки тому +4

      Also we just took less gear this time in general. Less extra water, and we poured our extra gas in early and then stashed the empty cans in the woods. We did everything we could unweight the bikes.

    • @Armour783
      @Armour783 2 роки тому +2

      @@peterday7704 GOD DAMNIT! Get out of here good guy CEO, with your knowledge and "first hand experience". Let us internet trolls go back to arguing over things we haven't experienced ourselves!!!

    • @damytzeus
      @damytzeus 2 роки тому +1

      @@peterday7704 thank you explanation. it makes sense and it's that i really don't enjoy riding with back pack in any terrain.