In the military, overwatch is a tactic where a small unit, vehicle, or aircraft provides covering fire for another unit. You have been doing your best to look after us with you testing and info. The name still suits you. Thank for being our Overwatch over the years.
@@fennyfenrisThat’s a little misinformed. Role queue was a bandaid fix for the actual thing that was hurting Overwatch, which was GOATs, a byproduct of Brigitte, arguably the worst designed hero in any FPS ever. Blizzard introducing her to handle dive instead of just tweaking some numbers will forever haunt them
One thing I noticed from my games is if 2 players don’t automatically pick a support you’re cooked regardless of whether you try to force a 2-2-2 anyway. Affecting qs aren’t worth a “balanced” team comp every game.
@@vegitohaze2081 I don’t see how it’s not relevant. But I don’t think he does well into Wolverine. I’m not a grand master or eternity but I’m at a rank with bans and no one is banning me. Fantastic. That doesn’t mean he can’t be played. If you’re better then you’ll usually beat your counters anyway but wolverine can still kidnap, he does more DPS then mr. Fantastic, Mr. Fantastic doesn’t have an escape and his tank mode gives him a lot of health but takes away his cooldowns. I main magik and I find it incredibly easy to kill Mr. Fantastic. I think he’s kinda weak rn overall
Kind of but that assumes you are playing around eachother... often you need the counter to be in YOUR role. He doesn't target supports he clowns tanks.
@@YourOverwatch”you need the counter to be in your role” proceeds to mention a dps that counters tanks. Isn’t the goal of a support to deny value?? Meaning you aren’t targeting the Wolverine. You’re pocketing the tanks and interrupting the wolverines engages. So that his value is extremely staggered
Can not believe how much you undervalued clock and dagger. She is great for self support as well as main healer. She can duel by herself and she is great against divers. She is high heals and high damage which as a support is crazy. She is definitely top 3 healer's
She's okay when there's bans on the good strategists. Worthless team up. Lots of trash stats. Takes a lot more expertise than the players i see spam her kit to not accomplish much at all than ppl seem to think. It's not hard to dodge a fight when she uses heal bubble or heal Amp. Ppl play INTO her strengths when you don't have to at all.
@@YourOverwatch I thoroughly disagree. Her heal amp is good but it’s not necessary. Her value comes from her throughput. She is the highest throughput healer in the game and it’s not close. Her wall allows her to change her primarily AoE heals into strong enough single target heals to move tank health bars when sustaining a lot of damage. Her bubble is super powerful for both healing allies (primarily tanks) but more importantly allowing her to duel/survive dive. Not to mention that Cloak’s wall is insane damage increase and soft CC, and she can dodge every ability in the game except Venoms tether if it’s already on her. Add to that the ability to generate Ult faster than any other support and you have an incredibly mobile, high healing, high damage, hard to kill, strong ultimate, support with auto aim. She’s definitely top 3. I’d put her above Sue. Most people don’t get enough value out of Sue’s kite to warrant her being higher than dagger. Especially in a list for all Elo, she’s got the shortest range, no self healing, no damage, and long cooldowns. I main her so personally I love her kit but your average silver player would be 10x more valuable on Dagger, especially when they can’t aim.
Good to be back freedo, I followed your guides through s3-8 on OW and was able to climb to high diamond/low masters on support. Haven’t touched a hero shooter since and now that I’ve gotten into MR it’s good to be back on your channel. Keep up the good work
I’m Plat 1 right now. I main Sue and Cloak, flex Strange and Venom, I also have an account in Plat one tricking Magik. Strange not being S tier is criminal. He’s the strongest tank in the game by a lot. His damage is crazy, his ult is fight winning, he can contest high ground, dodge out wolverine and groot, shield enables a lot of the strong DPS, and he has a second ultimate in the portal which has legitimately won me many many games and lost me many games from the enemies. It feels like if you have a strange and the enemy doesn’t it’s a wrap and vice versa. He also syncs up with Hulk and IM for the best team up in the game damage wise. Cloaks throughput, damage, and ult generation should put her on the same tier as the other healers IMO. Hela is S tier and so is Psylocke. Their guns are too powerful, Psylocke can duel so well. Iron Fist is B tier at best. Not enough good players on him. He generally gets clapped if your team has a brain and peels. If your team doesn’t peel any dive dps looks good. Venom underrated. Spider-Man is booty. If you get a single heal during his combo he’s a useless character. Needs more dmg IMO. Almost unplayable unless you’re smurfing or have a Venom. Squirrel girl B tier. Spider-Man C tier. Jeff Trash tier. Black Widow D tier. Only people with aim good enough to make her good are in the top 500 players. Get way more value from Hela and Hawkeye. Punisher S tier. So much DPS with Rocket team up, destroys melee characters and tanks. Easy to play, mobility. Underrated after the spread buffs. Star Lord is A tier unless you are good at him in which case he’s absolutely miserable to play against. Those are my changes.
24:40 People horrendously misunderstand Jeff’s ult for a cheesy spit-your-enemies-int-the-abyss type of offensive ult, but I personally find his ultimate to be an anti Eye of Aggamoto ultimate, able to completely deny a Dr. Strange all of his value from landing one on half to most of your teammates. Swallowing your allies cleanses their debuffs and allows you to reposition them in a safer place with (hopefully) more space for them to breathe. If you happen to grab an enemy while you do it, then you can more easily secure kills by displacing them extremely far from their back line. Unfortunately, an ult like this has diminishing returns the higher up in ladder you go. When people have the reaction time to avoid it, or even shoot you while you’re only a fin in the ground. It’s a high risk, MAYBE reward ultimate which simply isn’t strong enough to stand much on its own. The only way you could buff it is to give Jeff more I-frames while activating the snatch part of the ultimate, increasing the height of his grab range cylinder, or make the grab faster, even though the range isn’t very tall.
Widow's ult is not useless. It's an AoE 80% slow that also does enough damage to 1 tap everything but tanks with just a body shot. It also comes out really fast, 0.6 seconds, so it's difficult to react to.
I hard disagree with some placements in your tier list. However, it doesnt matter! We are at 1 week since the launch of season 1. We have a lot of time to discover the true meta, but there is one thing I'm almost certain: Reed Richards surely isn't fantastic ☠️
On defense, before the enemy team penetrates, I love using Sue's shield as a permanent heal station,. They can't shoot it when it's fully concealed by the wall. Frees up healer resources in the early fight. This might be gimmicky, but I like her as a partner flanker with a Psylocke or Magic. She can pull fleeing targets and her burst damage is slightly underrated. Because she's completely invisible, the initial positioning is absolutely risk free. Not sure if this will work at a higher level but in ranked people are struggling with it.
Good video on the state of the game - I haven't had enough time to climb in comp since the reset but the look into the state of strong comps, synergies and matchups was still interesting.
If you need a channel to be Rivals-branded to authorize rivals content, those channels are out there. If you need Overwatch-branded channels to exclusively cover shitty Overwatch, those channels are out there. Cry less.
What’s the point in saying Storm is S tier when two idiots instalock black panther and Widow and you don’t ever get to play her anyway. (Idiots then proceed to get three kills in the whole game.)
Seriously, without role queue you are completely at the mercy of your teammates as to what role you will be playing each game. You can practice whichever hero but need to be ready to play at least two heroes in all three roles and realistically have counters ready too. So about 15 heroes. But don’t suggest giving people the choice of role queue, that would be madness!!!! Instant queues into terrible games with awful team comps is much better!!!!
How the hell do we nerf storm without dumpstering her because the AURA is what makes her so strong but that wasn't buffed at all. Maybe nerf projectile speed from 150 to 130? I really REALLY like storm, an Omega level mutant SHOULD be good but a 57% win percentage is kinda nuts...
I'm saddened by Hulk being A* tier just because of his massive health pool and shield. His melee damage is piss poor and almost the weakest of ALL characters.😢 If they buffed it and gave him more enjoyable play loop like a pummel action in regular Hulk state that'd be awesome!
Why do a tier list if everything is S, A, and B. Use the whole thing darn it. You analyze so good and then just go “yeahhhh B tier.” It means so much more if you actually break it down more just feels so lazy with everyone in S, A, and B.
Your analysis is really good freedo but god ur tier list is so unhelpful. Putting everything in A just makes you look silly. Some stuff is better than others, show it!
The placement is pretty intricate. A bunch of heroes require so much skill expression it's hard to either deny their potential or easily put them higher on either end.
@ Fair enough and I think you’re right for the most part. Certain heroes can be better than others if you’re really good but also I think it should be treated as an average of each heroes floor and ceiling and I don’t think some of the heroes in A tier have a high enough ceiling relative to their floor to justify having them in A. Keep up the good stuff man, been a fan since 2017 :)
P.S. my example of this is Peni. I don’t think she’s A tier because her counters such as storm, Iron Man and Wolverine are S tier, makes her floor in matches where she can get countered lower because her hard counters and really strong this season. Hope this clarifies
This game is saved by hero bans and it’s only at mid diamond when it starts, rank reset this early feels awful. I quit playing this game until they give bans to all ranks
Dude, just change the name or make a second account. Not to announce my departure like it's an airport but Rivals didn't resonate for me the same way OW did, no hate towards the game at all, it's fun to jump into with friends sometimes, but I don't really want to be pushed content like this from an account I subscribed to called "Your Overwatch" for Overwatch content.
I feel like daddy fantastic is so good (in gold, mind you 😂) when the enemies have dive or iron man. I have like 80% winrate with him 🥰🫶 He just snatches them and claps them to death in no time, so much fun!
In the military, overwatch is a tactic where a small unit, vehicle, or aircraft provides covering fire for another unit. You have been doing your best to look after us with you testing and info. The name still suits you. Thank for being our Overwatch over the years.
Awesome comment
that was badass, he needs to pin this
lol I play a game called Dmz, I carry a Javelin with me at all times. I Overwatch my team just incase
Then you remember he shilled for Blizzard for the last 5 years lmao
dude u nailed it! imo all he needs to do is change the logo to something else
"That's been it for me. I've been Freedo for..." *hard cut to end card
S tier comedy
“YOUR RIVALS”
Dude I was just going to comment that lol
This is the way.
Your Freedo?
The dude will do what he wants with his name. He isn't 100% done with OW it depends on what they do with the game going forward.
Should be YO Rivals and secretly the yo is for your overwatch, but only the real one would know
Wolverines damage does NOT scale with temporary health/Over health or shields, it only applies to base HP so Mr Fantastic does not lose to Wolverine
I think his base health increases too, while in Second Gear
Some people can't even figure out the game is objective based, not kill based. It's no use
As someone who loved Overwatch but missed the pre -role queue years, I'm having such a blast
And yet people are still crying for role queue in Rivals.
They have no idea that's exactly what killed OW.
Yeah thats solely the thing that killed overwatch. Cope@fennyfenris
@@fennyfenrisThat’s a little misinformed. Role queue was a bandaid fix for the actual thing that was hurting Overwatch, which was GOATs, a byproduct of Brigitte, arguably the worst designed hero in any FPS ever. Blizzard introducing her to handle dive instead of just tweaking some numbers will forever haunt them
And this is an overstatement.
She didnt ruin anything. Especially for casuals @kulla8587
One thing I noticed from my games is if 2 players don’t automatically pick a support you’re cooked regardless of whether you try to force a 2-2-2 anyway. Affecting qs aren’t worth a “balanced” team comp every game.
Putting Cloak and Dagger in the same tier as Jeff the Land Shark is a choice
Say what ????
And black widow…
after S0, I never thought I'd ever say "We need a Storm"
Been climbing like crazy with her
Wolverine does not do extra damage to fantastic it only applies to BASE HEALTH
try not shouting it tho
@@KSxPharaohwho the hell cares
Yes but he has the most health in the dps category
@@lionsmane6684irrelevant, Fantastic still does GOOD into a Wolverine.
@@vegitohaze2081 I don’t see how it’s not relevant. But I don’t think he does well into Wolverine. I’m not a grand master or eternity but I’m at a rank with bans and no one is banning me. Fantastic. That doesn’t mean he can’t be played. If you’re better then you’ll usually beat your counters anyway but wolverine can still kidnap, he does more DPS then mr. Fantastic, Mr. Fantastic doesn’t have an escape and his tank mode gives him a lot of health but takes away his cooldowns. I main magik and I find it incredibly easy to kill Mr. Fantastic. I think he’s kinda weak rn overall
I can't play iron fist, but samito iron fist looks scary af
Love the MR content. Freedo I think Sue counters wolverine. Like all of her abilities interrupt his abilities.
Kind of but that assumes you are playing around eachother... often you need the counter to be in YOUR role. He doesn't target supports he clowns tanks.
@@YourOverwatch”you need the counter to be in your role” proceeds to mention a dps that counters tanks.
Isn’t the goal of a support to deny value?? Meaning you aren’t targeting the Wolverine. You’re pocketing the tanks and interrupting the wolverines engages. So that his value is extremely staggered
Can not believe how much you undervalued clock and dagger. She is great for self support as well as main healer. She can duel by herself and she is great against divers. She is high heals and high damage which as a support is crazy. She is definitely top 3 healer's
She's okay when there's bans on the good strategists. Worthless team up. Lots of trash stats. Takes a lot more expertise than the players i see spam her kit to not accomplish much at all than ppl seem to think. It's not hard to dodge a fight when she uses heal bubble or heal Amp. Ppl play INTO her strengths when you don't have to at all.
@@YourOverwatch I thoroughly disagree. Her heal amp is good but it’s not necessary. Her value comes from her throughput. She is the highest throughput healer in the game and it’s not close. Her wall allows her to change her primarily AoE heals into strong enough single target heals to move tank health bars when sustaining a lot of damage. Her bubble is super powerful for both healing allies (primarily tanks) but more importantly allowing her to duel/survive dive. Not to mention that Cloak’s wall is insane damage increase and soft CC, and she can dodge every ability in the game except Venoms tether if it’s already on her. Add to that the ability to generate Ult faster than any other support and you have an incredibly mobile, high healing, high damage, hard to kill, strong ultimate, support with auto aim. She’s definitely top 3. I’d put her above Sue. Most people don’t get enough value out of Sue’s kite to warrant her being higher than dagger. Especially in a list for all Elo, she’s got the shortest range, no self healing, no damage, and long cooldowns. I main her so personally I love her kit but your average silver player would be 10x more valuable on Dagger, especially when they can’t aim.
Your OverRivals still fits imo
Yeah I thought that 2
Anytime I run into a problem Spider man I bring out the witch and squash.....shes a great counter.
Not understanding Wolverine and then putting mister fantastic last? This tier list is d tier
Good to be back freedo, I followed your guides through s3-8 on OW and was able to climb to high diamond/low masters on support. Haven’t touched a hero shooter since and now that I’ve gotten into MR it’s good to be back on your channel. Keep up the good work
happy to see OW players enjoying themselves with Rivals. I don't play much of either right now and hope both succeed
I’m Plat 1 right now. I main Sue and Cloak, flex Strange and Venom, I also have an account in Plat one tricking Magik.
Strange not being S tier is criminal. He’s the strongest tank in the game by a lot. His damage is crazy, his ult is fight winning, he can contest high ground, dodge out wolverine and groot, shield enables a lot of the strong DPS, and he has a second ultimate in the portal which has legitimately won me many many games and lost me many games from the enemies. It feels like if you have a strange and the enemy doesn’t it’s a wrap and vice versa. He also syncs up with Hulk and IM for the best team up in the game damage wise.
Cloaks throughput, damage, and ult generation should put her on the same tier as the other healers IMO.
Hela is S tier and so is Psylocke. Their guns are too powerful, Psylocke can duel so well.
Iron Fist is B tier at best. Not enough good players on him. He generally gets clapped if your team has a brain and peels. If your team doesn’t peel any dive dps looks good.
Venom underrated.
Spider-Man is booty. If you get a single heal during his combo he’s a useless character. Needs more dmg IMO. Almost unplayable unless you’re smurfing or have a Venom.
Squirrel girl B tier. Spider-Man C tier. Jeff Trash tier. Black Widow D tier. Only people with aim good enough to make her good are in the top 500 players. Get way more value from Hela and Hawkeye.
Punisher S tier. So much DPS with Rocket team up, destroys melee characters and tanks. Easy to play, mobility. Underrated after the spread buffs. Star Lord is A tier unless you are good at him in which case he’s absolutely miserable to play against. Those are my changes.
This is way more accurate than what’s in this video
I guarantee you the devs are terrified to buff Spider-Man’s damage. His movement is too good for his damage to be too high.
I hope you just become YourRivals. I haven’t touched Overwatch since trying MR
24:40
People horrendously misunderstand Jeff’s ult for a cheesy spit-your-enemies-int-the-abyss type of offensive ult, but I personally find his ultimate to be an anti Eye of Aggamoto ultimate, able to completely deny a Dr. Strange all of his value from landing one on half to most of your teammates. Swallowing your allies cleanses their debuffs and allows you to reposition them in a safer place with (hopefully) more space for them to breathe. If you happen to grab an enemy while you do it, then you can more easily secure kills by displacing them extremely far from their back line.
Unfortunately, an ult like this has diminishing returns the higher up in ladder you go. When people have the reaction time to avoid it, or even shoot you while you’re only a fin in the ground. It’s a high risk, MAYBE reward ultimate which simply isn’t strong enough to stand much on its own.
The only way you could buff it is to give Jeff more I-frames while activating the snatch part of the ultimate, increasing the height of his grab range cylinder, or make the grab faster, even though the range isn’t very tall.
Luna ult with extra steps and requiring more set up and execution
@@YourOverwatchmuch more concise than what I was working on lol
Your rivals/your overwatch, who cares. As long as you making videos about games I like imma watch
exactly, whiny ass babies on the internet need to grow tf up
Loki ult is what echo ult should have been
Widow's ult is not useless. It's an AoE 80% slow that also does enough damage to 1 tap everything but tanks with just a body shot. It also comes out really fast, 0.6 seconds, so it's difficult to react to.
Sometimes pushing with a support ult is absolutely the right move.
Thank you for repping the average players 😂 we are literally out here
I think it's too early to count out Mr Fantastic, being able to shield the tank
I hard disagree with some placements in your tier list. However, it doesnt matter! We are at 1 week since the launch of season 1. We have a lot of time to discover the true meta, but there is one thing I'm almost certain: Reed Richards surely isn't fantastic ☠️
On defense, before the enemy team penetrates, I love using Sue's shield as a permanent heal station,. They can't shoot it when it's fully concealed by the wall. Frees up healer resources in the early fight. This might be gimmicky, but I like her as a partner flanker with a Psylocke or Magic. She can pull fleeing targets and her burst damage is slightly underrated. Because she's completely invisible, the initial positioning is absolutely risk free. Not sure if this will work at a higher level but in ranked people are struggling with it.
I hope you never change the channel name and never cover OW again 😂
This. Just drive the OW2 kids absolutely nuts.
Same
Good video on the state of the game - I haven't had enough time to climb in comp since the reset but the look into the state of strong comps, synergies and matchups was still interesting.
Luna being top tier is a personal tragedy to me, I find her so annoying.
*Openly admits he doesn’t like overwatch anymore*
*Refuses to change his name*
Ur sleeping on cloak and dagger
I thought this channel was titled "Your OVERWATCH"
@Toasty04 or maybe you just suck at it and need any easier game to play. Which is fine lol
If you need a channel to be Rivals-branded to authorize rivals content, those channels are out there. If you need Overwatch-branded channels to exclusively cover shitty Overwatch, those channels are out there. Cry less.
@KSxPharaoh yeah, except this IS an Overwatch-branded channel, try again lol
@@wtfgonbdhow’s your content drought goin buddy? We rivals players are eating good 10 second que time and a new character every 1.5 months 😂
.. ok and?
I still think the way you think and talk makes me think you have a backround in the military idk if its true but I enjoy it
Sports influence I'd say.
Rebrand when?
That buzzing noise again... I just figured out it's whatever music you have playing in the background. Please man. I'm begging!!!
It's your headphones Dawg lol
I feel like Jeff could be much better simply with a wider spray and more ammo.
Dude I did not expect to see a buff bald guy, 😮
Adam Warlock I would rank high because of the rezz things. It's hard to ignore a rezz.
And ppl said there are no counters in MR...aw. They clearly don't know Team shooters.
Fought a team with 5 healers n 1 Storm and boy oh boy did we got Melted 😅
commando pro for iron fist is too accurate lmao
Lookin good bro! Gym's payin off
Don't sleep on loki.
What’s the point in saying Storm is S tier when two idiots instalock black panther and Widow and you don’t ever get to play her anyway. (Idiots then proceed to get three kills in the whole game.)
Seriously, without role queue you are completely at the mercy of your teammates as to what role you will be playing each game. You can practice whichever hero but need to be ready to play at least two heroes in all three roles and realistically have counters ready too. So about 15 heroes. But don’t suggest giving people the choice of role queue, that would be madness!!!! Instant queues into terrible games with awful team comps is much better!!!!
Not a fan of rocket. As a tank player i can feel the differance with a rock.
Great vid as per usual
Fitzy has some words for you on flank Loki.... Lol
Your Rivalwatch
How the hell do we nerf storm without dumpstering her because the AURA is what makes her so strong but that wasn't buffed at all. Maybe nerf projectile speed from 150 to 130? I really REALLY like storm, an Omega level mutant SHOULD be good but a 57% win percentage is kinda nuts...
I'm saddened by Hulk being A* tier just because of his massive health pool and shield. His melee damage is piss poor and almost the weakest of ALL characters.😢 If they buffed it and gave him more enjoyable play loop like a pummel action in regular Hulk state that'd be awesome!
I really like the star lord so easy and fun to play
i would drop jeff down to c teir
How about “Your Freedo” for a new channel name?
So cap is a Tempo Tank? lol
🤣
At least treat us to a new intro
Just keep calling it “your Overwatch”. It’s funnier that way.
you should change ur channel to gamerwatch, future proof it freedo lol
Kinda Wierd to See MR Content on an Overwatch channel.
Wait that happend to Every Channel
I forgot XD
Alright Bub! ✊️🍴
So many things wrong with this list
Why do a tier list if everything is S, A, and B. Use the whole thing darn it. You analyze so good and then just go “yeahhhh B tier.” It means so much more if you actually break it down more just feels so lazy with everyone in S, A, and B.
Scarlet witch and widow are way to high both are terrible characters with terrible ults
sometimes i wonder if you actually play this game…
he is prolly higher skill higher game sense than u.
Your analysis is really good freedo but god ur tier list is so unhelpful. Putting everything in A just makes you look silly. Some stuff is better than others, show it!
The placement is pretty intricate. A bunch of heroes require so much skill expression it's hard to either deny their potential or easily put them higher on either end.
@ Fair enough and I think you’re right for the most part. Certain heroes can be better than others if you’re really good but also I think it should be treated as an average of each heroes floor and ceiling and I don’t think some of the heroes in A tier have a high enough ceiling relative to their floor to justify having them in A. Keep up the good stuff man, been a fan since 2017 :)
P.S. my example of this is Peni. I don’t think she’s A tier because her counters such as storm, Iron Man and Wolverine are S tier, makes her floor in matches where she can get countered lower because her hard counters and really strong this season. Hope this clarifies
Your narcissism
Your Rivals
change the name, i don’t care about Rivalz, so I think this is a good bye. thanks for all
And we don't care about Overwatch. Bye.
Bye
Imagine still playing OW lol
@ I know right 😂
I want more OW news
Wut news
@ true
Kiriko is getting a new skin. Theres your OW news
Then google "Overwatch 2". That should be a great solution here for your certainly complex issue. Also other Overwatch channels
I don’t. Let that game die off
This game is saved by hero bans and it’s only at mid diamond when it starts, rank reset this early feels awful. I quit playing this game until they give bans to all ranks
Most of this list sounds like bans aren’t taken in to account. He just says “I’m a top 1% player” but doesn’t mention bans.
Doesn't count for those under
Dude, just change the name or make a second account. Not to announce my departure like it's an airport but Rivals didn't resonate for me the same way OW did, no hate towards the game at all, it's fun to jump into with friends sometimes, but I don't really want to be pushed content like this from an account I subscribed to called "Your Overwatch" for Overwatch content.
Same
1st world problem
Sooo don’t watch his content ?
@@relltherealone if it keeps going like this than yeah,but atleast he can tell us what to expect
I knew storms gigabuffs were too big
No they not lol
stay away from this game, sometimes games don't need metas and people just want to have fun
shutup anyone can play.
Metas will develop wether you like it or not. It is simply human nature. But thats what different gamemodes are for.
1st
I feel like daddy fantastic is so good (in gold, mind you 😂) when the enemies have dive or iron man. I have like 80% winrate with him 🥰🫶 He just snatches them and claps them to death in no time, so much fun!
Your marvel rivals is at it again!🫡🫡
saw cloak in B and immediately clicked off lmao dont listen to this dude
it's his tier list and his perspective. tier lists in all games have some level of subjectivity and relativity.
If they were one tier higher would you listen to him ? They definitely aren’t S Tier
Ya that’s the worst take in this video and list by far
@@KSxPharaoh when he got Spider-Man above cloak, it’s not even a perspective. Dude is oblivious to the meta
@@relltherealone We are in a triple support defensive ult meta. Cloak has a 16 second defense ult. They are S tier.
Wolverine is still weak. Also he's kinda buggy right now.