I wonder what if they completely retconned super and instead are doing their own thing? We already had some changes like how marjin buu's gas was able to split the kais instead of using dragon balls, plus there is literally no mention of destroyer gods or angels 🤔🤔
-Who created the angels and zeno? -Who created the demon realm? -Why did goku say he's weaker than the kraken but two episodes earlier he defeated the tananabooboo that defeated dabura who's as strong as cell? -Supreme kai said in z that "one supreme kai is a thousand times stronger than the one you call frieza" he also can't beat an octopus. -If for thousands of years there was only one namekian left in the demon realm, why and how was piccolos daddy there in the first place? - How strong was the original demon king to order that zeno looking majin that created the universe? -zalama?
1. im 100% sure zeno made it 2. zeno too 3.idk 4.toriyama likes to forget things 5.when piccolo says "his dad" he dosent mean king piccolo he means the father of kami and piccolo (nameless namakien) 6. guess we will never know maybe in the future
Mind u rhymus is specifically stated to create the universe not the demon realm. Meaning someone else created the demon realm. Whats more why is rhymus taking orders from a supreme demon king? So many questions that is cooking up. Love these lore drops and this just confirms dbs will go back to the demon realm
You're right, he can't possibly be stronger than Zeno if he takes order from the supreme demon king, I guess he's like the supreme kai from the demon realm
Dragon ball: * i can destroy the entire universe* Next week: *ha, i can destroy all universes* The week after: *ha, i can destroy all universes, including your mother*
Zeno is just a destroyer with grand priest being his angel. It’s obvious there will be characters that are stronger than him lol. You forget that super shenron is above zeno
But super shenron he wasn't made to fight or anything like that, he was just made to make any wish, nothing more, and the fact that he is stronger than zeno is just speculation and there is nothing official or confirmed that this is not the case. i think they are in the same level because Zeno destroyed Zamasu, who had wished to be immortal through the Super Dragon Balls. This means that Zeno is powerful enough to invalidate a Super Shenron wish. However, Super Shenron can bring back universes that were erased from existence by Zeno.
Where was it stated that he was above zeno? Stop making head cannon and use that as some sort of counter argument to prove ur point because that has never been confirmed
Who told u about this kid Zeno is ruler of only 18 or upto 20 universe he can erase only these What the fuc* you are saying he can erase multiverse. Go and got some knowledge kid.
Rhymes could be the opposite of Zeno like supreme Kai and god of destruction, there’s nowhere that shows Zeno actually creates anything, Zeno could just be like the ultimate god of destruction because even the gods of destruction are afraid of him
Each universe was seeded by Rymus and grew from something similar to the glinds but it was done in a much more divine way (not from a tree) but similar to how glinds grew from a tree / onion for their births. Angels were once mortals but ate their respective universes “divine seed” to gain the power they have. Which explains why they don’t die when their universe gets destroyed they just become inactive. It also explains why their ears aren’t pointed because they aren’t from the demon realm. They had to get power somehow right and the angels are limited in numbers. My theory needs a lot of work but it may be something along these lines idk
Maybe they will do some Yin and Tang opposite things, like if Zeno is destruction or erasure, and this new character is creation being able to create the universe, like the Beyonders and the Symbiots of King in Black in Marvel being the inverse and opposite of each other. Tell me what you all think.
@Light-qs1qkYes anything WITHIN his verse. He isn’t the most powerful being in fiction meaning he can’t erase everything. There are beings who can negate his attack or shrug it off.
@Cherrybae4306 it's literally stated that he can earse anything regarding of his power or scale or complexity meaning your argument is not valid because no were it's say that he can only do that different verse
@Light-qs1qkfYour argument was that he can erase any being regardless of their scaling so ur basically implying that he can erase beings that scale to outerversal , tier 0 , etc even if they are outside of his verse. I disagreed with that ,and what i meant by only doing it in his verse is that he can’t erase every being in fiction,only beings that are within his verse or scale below his verse. I put it in the wrong context but yeah
Daima fucked up big time, how are they going to include him into the continuation of Super when he was never mentioned in Super AND if Daima takes place before Super then it makes no sense for Rymus not to be mentioned not even once in Super, this shit is ruined!!!!!!!
Dude saying Daima messed up you might as well say DBZ's buu arc messed up because how are you going to have Majin Buu killing Grand Kai's and never talk about the Hakaishin? There is not messing up, Zeno literally foreshadows this when whis talks about how every Hakaishin has a Kai because the Hakai is death and the Kai is life. Zeno is defacto a destroyer, so who is the creator? Rymus. It's that simple.
Whis stated Zeno is the supreme ruler of all things and I would be more inclined to believe him than an untrained Kaioshin who does not even know Zeno exists, this Rhymus guy is probably just the original Grand Supreme Kai and they are beneath Zeno.
Being from the demon realm doesn’t make you “evil” or a “demon” per-se Beerus was originally a mortal before he earned the title of divine so think about it. Also this Rhymus appointed certain Glinds to be Kai’s it’s more of a title than being born a literal god
Zeno didn't come before the Universes creation he was stated to be only about 8 million years as the Omni King. Rymus existed far before that so it's very likely there are beings above them.
No he isn't just the ruler of the destroyed universe? That doesn't even make sense tbh lol. It literally verbatim states Ryusu created "various universes". It also shows the Supreme kai from super which we literally know. Their universe are not destroyed and he created them.
@@anpalpalskiyet we know future zeno literally erased the whole timeline the future. Theres no being above zeno. Rhymus is only stated to be the highest authority of the universe while zeno is the ruler of everything
That’s not possible seeing as he predates the multiverse and how he literally created the multiverse. He would be on par With Zeno and the power of the Super Dragon Balls at the bare minimum
Wait this could maybe confirm got zeno is the god of destruction of the multiverse just think about it if this guy created the universes he could be the supreme kai of zeno and the grand priest is the angel of the multiverse i'm just saying this might have just
Uh they never said Rymus was stronger than Zeno. And we've seen Zeno have a stronger feat than creating the universes. Zeno is still above Rymus. He's the king of everything.
I don’t think you understand feats. Creating all the universe is just as good as a feat as erasing one lol. They are either the same tier or one is barely stronger than the other.
Yes, stronger than Zeno. As stated, the highest authority. No, just because all the Glinds eventually die out does not mean the Gods of Destruction will die out. They are not connected to all the Supreme Kais of their respective universe, just the head-honcho Supreme Kai. The reason Beerus isn't dead is because the Grand Supreme Kai was absorbed by Buu, not killed, allowing Shin to go through the process or inheriting the position. Non-glinds can also become Supreme Kais. The fact that Future Trunks was able to become a Supreme Kai apprentice is proof of that. Though probably still unheard of at this point, it's not surprising that there are no restrictions for other races, considering the glinds inevitable demise.
@@anpalpalski When did I mention that he did? And Zeno is clearly much younger. They are both clearly capable of creating and erasing entire universes. One clearly has more lore than the other if any inheritance shenanigans happened. Common sense and no current evidence to prove otherwise. Please give something more concrete to counter than that. lol.
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The angels come from the angels realm this was stated in moro arc. Well theres 3 outer realms outside all 12 universes. Demon realm, angel realm, and omnikings palace.
@@ygdon3077 um yes ur is wtf. He literally talks about it when merus was about to break the angel law. He literally tells merus to go back to the angel realm. Fan manga are u stupid???
@@ygdon3077 uh yes it is. Reread the moro arc and when they talk about the angel law. Seems u need to reread. “Dont mess with db fans they dont even read their own series”
Seems like Yin/yang. But it seems like Toriyama is trying to tell us that demons are greater than angels. Biblically is reverse. Also destruction breeds creation. Like big bang theory nothing got destroyed and created what we seem to know.
my theoryis that Rymus created zeno along with all the angels so ghey can watch over the multiverse and zeno is the god of destruction of the multiverse i also think that he was the one who created zalama
Bro Dragon ball storyline is getting complicated bu every other series who would be the last villian if dragon ball taht could be so much interesting and i literally writing and story for last arc of dragon ball but now with this oh my goodness my story is literally is on next level
I think Rymas might be Xeno’s father or a close relative and the original Omni King, not just because he created the universes but also because he looks just like Xeno minus the ears. His body and shape of his head matches Xeno , he just looks older. If Debura’s Ancestor was once The Demon King before Debura then The Omni King being a title for a Devine family line makes sense to me.
I think we’ve been introduced to the top 5 fighters ever that Whis was telling goku that grand priest was apart of when he thought about challenging priest That’s the strongest ever supreme demon king with the absolute eye whom ordered majin rymus to create the multiverse Majin Rymus creator of multiverse along with his species but the most powerful one Zalama/Zarama whatever the name is creator of super shenron and dragon balls Grand priest creator of angels Zenos bodyguards considered as equals Still need to find out the connection nameks have to zalama, wtf zalama looks like, the origin of that absolute eye, and All other gods and mortals that approach or surpass god of destruction levels in the multiverse or the outer verses and origins of the afterlife
Maybe zeno first created the demon realm then rymes created the multiverse and zeno decided to rule over them thats why hes lax with the rules cuz he doesnt care that much cuz he didnt create them
Idk men, beerus once referred to zeno as the creator and supreme ruler of the multiverse capable of erasing anything regardless of complexity. Gp himself posseses the power to strip angels of their angelic nature and these angels undoubtedly can one tap the multiverse with no effort. The scaling is becoming so complex😩
beerus never said that zeno was the creator, he said that zeno was the king of everything, plus in anime and manga zeno is associated with only destruction/erasure
@@dragonballfacts1 I don't see how him being the ruler doesn't mean he created it. These retcons are honestly kinda d**b. Moreover, I'm more concerned as to how they'll make the dbz heroes 4get all of this. Daima takes place b4 battle of gods and based on what we know, vegeta was the only dbz hero aware of who beerus was. The others were surprised the first time they heard beerus was a god and also when they learnt about zeno, in super.
His could BE i mean i have a theory why exist Here Dragon Ball Timeline Like worldlines between 2 worlds His IS the 5d but İTS Like something needed to Happen after bu saga GT timeline and super Timeline exist what has cause that 2 timelines exist maybe Here is a 3 Timeline and His has cause the 2 timelines to Happen Maybe daima could explanied how GT and super Timeline was create
Honestly my guess is that supreme kai may not know all the facts and eventually the elder supreme kai might correct him and mention zeno and grand priest
grand priest is basically the strongest strength wise but power wise goes to zeno. whis even said zeno isnt physically strong but he dont have to be because of the amazing power zeno has
I think he’s like the Kai to Zeno being a destroyer. I don’t think he’s stronger than Zeno in terms of combat but he can create more than any other being.
the obvious is that rymus is the counterpart of Zeno same way Shin is to beerus which is why Rymus made glinds Kais who are also creator gods on a lower scale. The Angels are overseers all the do is make sure order is kept and they teach god of destruction and pretty much look over things, Zeno himself could not destroy Angels so we can assume the Grand Priest is far stronger than Zeno the same way Whis is far stronger than Beerus. the only missing link here is Dragon God Zalama, he is either the creator of the Demon Realm or the first life of the Demon Realm he should also be on par if not stronger than Zeno because his Dragonball could offset the destruction cause by Zeno.
title: Daima Just Revealed Someone Stronger Than Zeno? first thing in the video: there is a being that could BE ON par or above (headcanon) click baiters man
@@genxvictor1805 the thing is, the creator kai is weaker since he just creates, however zeno is a destroyer and he can destroy anything the creator kai can create they are basically two faces of one coin however destruction always beats creation but at maximum if we are coping can say that they are equals, and the title says ''stronger than zeno'' don't tell me it works it doesn't that's headcanon lmao
Yeah he most likely is just the ultimate CREATOR god. While Zeno is the multiversal God of Destruction. He has an angel, he is skilled at destroying. Why else did he need the super dragon balls to undo his destruction. Rhymus is just his supreme kai essentially, but unlike other linked beings. These two are possibly equals in power. Just one can create and the other destroy. And I feel he likes being alone. It's not a retcon, just added lore. If considering who he is linked to... He would probably be hiding out in some dimension he made JUST for himself. Heck he might have made all those time chamber style rooms too. Traveling, changing his appearance, etc. Maybe used the super dragon balls to make himself immortal with the very first wish. To prevent the loss of himself and Zeno.
Honestly, I don't think vegeta or goku have the raw strength they had as adults and a kraken of that size would be a problem for their child bodies. I know Goku fought tamagami #3, but it wasn't a fight to the death like it would be with that Kraken constantly trying to kill them.
I wonder if all the legal issues are figured out with the DBS manga how everything will continue. If they could’ve animated the Moro arc and Granola arc but make the daima happen during the black frezia saga. The wish ultimately and specifically making the cast weaker and younger introducing the demon realm then. It would be the opposite of granola’s wish to be the strongest. They would have to figure out making the other 3 balls dormant (Toronbo, super dragon balls and shenron) Daima right now is hard to follow and doesn’t make sense. The Kraken is confirmed to be stronger than the 3rd tamagami goku and vegeta aren’t strong enough to fight it wth
*Please remember* All this takes place three before the arrival of Beerus & Whis. So when Supreme Kai said that *"Rhymus is still the highest authority"* That means it's either still true to this day or something happened to Rhymus within those three years to where Zeno became his successor. There's no other logical explanation.
@@tonyyoung5699 it's the old kai who know about anything not shin If you remenber in bog shin knew nothing about beerus and it's the old kai who explain
Chances are, the Super Majin could be zalama. Why? Because, The creator of the dragon balls doesn't have to be stronger Than The said dragon. It was stated they created the universe But Not the Multiverse. Or, All 18 of them could have created 1 of each universe. And Zeno is from that race and Became the Omni King As a Destroyer. So, Zeno is still the strongest? But then all the demon Kings are super saiyan 2 level, and he ordered them to make The universes. But, we also know that Majin Buu Can destroy universes so the super majins are basically Buus strength times 100 and converted into creation instead of destruction. Its kind of confusing. But then? How would zeno be so strong.
God of destruction cant be a dieing race because you are chosen. Toppo was chosen as a replacement and vegeta became one. Goku didnt want that to but trained as an angel so it isnt that way. So Kais can die out but everybody else is different, multi species/universes., etc. I mean Beerus and Champa are damn brothers for crying out loud. How that happen? I wanna story
bro supreme kai knew since he was first introduced all the kais always knew about gods and the angel they just never mentioned it to goku cuz then he would wanna fight them and get cooked by a touch of a finger
@ no he didn’t. Watch super when Zeno was first introduced. The supreme Kai was confused and asking elder Kai who he was. Shin didn’t get to learn everything because buu killed all the other Kai’s in U7 Also it was beerus that *ELDER KAI* didnt want to mention Shin didn’t even know beerus existed at the time either
or rymes ia like the supreme kai of zeno or zeno is rymes son since he is so much protected by body guards and has his own angel as a way to have him the most protected
better theory is that the Angels are from the HEAVEN REALM ...opposite to the demon REALM ...question who would be the boss of the HEAVEN REALM ... GOD ?
I think your stuck on them being connected to much. It seems these positions are appointed not inherited….. so it’s not until being appointed the rules set in place. Example Vegito maybe become new god of destruction. Beerus will be freed of the connection and his life (Vegeta) will be attached to the new supreme Kai etc etc…
@ yes and im countering it with I believe your theory is flawed because you are stuck on that thinking path i pointed out. Good video. Expect others to have other opinions too.
He's not stronger than zeno, he's just the creator of universes, nothing more than that, zeno by his name itself is the king of everything, zeno stronger
My theory is that i think rymes is supreme kai of zeno because rymes creates zeno destroys and angel is grand priest
Yeah I was talking about this in the video. That would be a interesting theory
He can create so he has to be the opposite of Zeno.
I wonder what if they completely retconned super and instead are doing their own thing? We already had some changes like how marjin buu's gas was able to split the kais instead of using dragon balls, plus there is literally no mention of destroyer gods or angels 🤔🤔
I mean they haven’t meet whis and them yet
Literally repeated what dude said in the video 💀
Grand priest is literally a cosmic babysitter lmao
Lmao fuck man you’re so right 🤣🤣🤣
He’s the angel atendee of multiverse 5
@@Traytraydear wild
@@TraytraydearMultiverse what?
@@Lance-wn9dche means grand priest is members of the 5th strongest of the multiverse
-Who created the angels and zeno?
-Who created the demon realm?
-Why did goku say he's weaker than the kraken but two episodes earlier he defeated the tananabooboo that defeated dabura who's as strong as cell?
-Supreme kai said in z that "one supreme kai is a thousand times stronger than the one you call frieza" he also can't beat an octopus.
-If for thousands of years there was only one namekian left in the demon realm, why and how was piccolos daddy there in the first place?
- How strong was the original demon king to order that zeno looking majin that created the universe?
-zalama?
1. im 100% sure zeno made it
2. zeno too
3.idk
4.toriyama likes to forget things
5.when piccolo says "his dad" he dosent mean king piccolo he means the father of kami and piccolo (nameless namakien)
6. guess we will never know maybe in the future
@@ricktheslayg6216
1. Wrong, Super Shenron/Zalama
2. Same thing as one
3. Yeah me neither
4.
@@ricktheslayg6216Zeno destroys, he doesn't create
Demigra created the Demon Realm
Dabura is only equal to cell with the majin buff otherwise he’s somewhere below that
Mind u rhymus is specifically stated to create the universe not the demon realm. Meaning someone else created the demon realm. Whats more why is rhymus taking orders from a supreme demon king? So many questions that is cooking up. Love these lore drops and this just confirms dbs will go back to the demon realm
Yeah and remember the demon realm was in chaos with beings like rhymes and the supreme demon king were around 😭
@@Traytraydear because of majin buu
@@fatdurk7934 no im no way Buu was doing that while they were there
@@Traytraydear he obviously did since he killed most the glinds stated by shin.
You're right, he can't possibly be stronger than Zeno if he takes order from the supreme demon king, I guess he's like the supreme kai from the demon realm
Dragon ball: * i can destroy the entire universe*
Next week: *ha, i can destroy all universes*
The week after: *ha, i can destroy all universes, including your mother*
Yeah dragon ball is becoming marvel and dc where their is new god ever week lol
Zeno is just a destroyer with grand priest being his angel. It’s obvious there will be characters that are stronger than him lol. You forget that super shenron is above zeno
But super shenron he wasn't made to fight or anything like that, he was just made to make any wish, nothing more, and the fact that he is stronger than zeno is just speculation and there is nothing official or confirmed that this is not the case. i think they are in the same level because Zeno destroyed Zamasu, who had wished to be immortal through the Super Dragon Balls. This means that Zeno is powerful enough to invalidate a Super Shenron wish. However, Super Shenron can bring back universes that were erased from existence by Zeno.
Meh more like Zeno is the child of the creator.
Where was it stated that he was above zeno? Stop making head cannon and use that as some sort of counter argument to prove ur point because that has never been confirmed
@@Cherrybae4306 Super shenron is literally Omnipotent being in dBS
Actually zeno is above super shenron, not the other way around
Zeno can destroy every multiverse with a snap. He's definitely not stronger than Zeno who rules everything, not just universes
Who told u about this kid
Zeno is ruler of only 18 or upto 20 universe he can erase only these
What the fuc* you are saying he can erase multiverse.
Go and got some knowledge kid.
Majin Rymes is literally the DragonBall version of Veldanava.
They both created everything in their verses so that might make sense.
Veldanava from that time in was reincarnated AS a s line?
@Gomersal815 From the time I got reincarnated as a slime.
Wait who created the angels
What I don't get is how a demon king can "order" a god like that
I bet there will be no attempt at reconciliation of this lore discontinuity between series
Rymus maybe supreme Kai of Zeno like Beerus and shin .
Grand priest mentor.
Rhymes could be the opposite of Zeno like supreme Kai and god of destruction, there’s nowhere that shows Zeno actually creates anything, Zeno could just be like the ultimate god of destruction because even the gods of destruction are afraid of him
Zeno created the zeni button to give it to goku, he has power of destruction and creation both
The bigger observation is someone had the authority to command Majin Rymes to create the universes. So can Zeno answer to someone else, too?
Zeno, his guards, and Rymus all have the same Grand drip
So we’re forgetting how Zeno literally erased the timeline before casually???
Imagine they introduced something like “Angel” realm to explain angels
Moro arc
Each universe was seeded by Rymus and grew from something similar to the glinds but it was done in a much more divine way (not from a tree) but similar to how glinds grew from a tree / onion for their births. Angels were once mortals but ate their respective universes “divine seed” to gain the power they have. Which explains why they don’t die when their universe gets destroyed they just become inactive. It also explains why their ears aren’t pointed because they aren’t from the demon realm. They had to get power somehow right and the angels are limited in numbers. My theory needs a lot of work but it may be something along these lines idk
Maybe they will do some Yin and Tang opposite things, like if Zeno is destruction or erasure, and this new character is creation being able to create the universe, like the Beyonders and the Symbiots of King in Black in Marvel being the inverse and opposite of each other.
Tell me what you all think.
The grand priest is the angel attendee of multiverse 5
@@Traytraydear multiverse 5? dawg
It’s yin yang, one creates and one destroys both probably equally powerful
Zeno is stated to earse anything regarding of their power or scale or complexity
Anything within his verse or verse that scales below yes
@Cherrybae4306 were does that it only stated that he can earse anything regarding of power or scale or complexity
@Light-qs1qkYes anything WITHIN his verse. He isn’t the most powerful being in fiction meaning he can’t erase everything. There are beings who can negate his attack or shrug it off.
@Cherrybae4306 it's literally stated that he can earse anything regarding of his power or scale or complexity meaning your argument is not valid because no were it's say that he can only do that different verse
@Light-qs1qkfYour argument was that he can erase any being regardless of their scaling so ur basically implying that he can erase beings that scale to outerversal , tier 0 , etc even if they are outside of his verse. I disagreed with that ,and what i meant by only doing it in his verse is that he can’t erase every being in fiction,only beings that are within his verse or scale below his verse. I put it in the wrong context but yeah
Daima fucked up big time, how are they going to include him into the continuation of Super when he was never mentioned in Super AND if Daima takes place before Super then it makes no sense for Rymus not to be mentioned not even once in Super, this shit is ruined!!!!!!!
Easy. Daima is canonical and super if filler
100% agreed
Dude saying Daima messed up you might as well say DBZ's buu arc messed up because how are you going to have Majin Buu killing Grand Kai's and never talk about the Hakaishin?
There is not messing up, Zeno literally foreshadows this when whis talks about how every Hakaishin has a Kai because the Hakai is death and the Kai is life. Zeno is defacto a destroyer, so who is the creator? Rymus. It's that simple.
Whis stated Zeno is the supreme ruler of all things and I would be more inclined to believe him than an untrained Kaioshin who does not even know Zeno exists, this Rhymus guy is probably just the original Grand Supreme Kai and they are beneath Zeno.
This messes with Zamasu as well, how could he tout his divine nature, if he's actually also from the Demon realm?!
Being from the demon realm doesn’t make you “evil” or a “demon” per-se
Beerus was originally a mortal before he earned the title of divine so think about it.
Also this Rhymus appointed certain Glinds to be Kai’s it’s more of a title than being born a literal god
3:00 Toriyama’s style is goated tbh we always wanted to know more from him!
Zeno didn't come before the Universes creation he was stated to be only about 8 million years as the Omni King. Rymus existed far before that so it's very likely there are beings above them.
I love that you're freaking out while explaning the chapter, that's the reaction I wanted to see haha
He's probably the ruler of the destroyed universes so he's not as powerful
And of the kais
No he isn't just the ruler of the destroyed universe? That doesn't even make sense tbh lol. It literally verbatim states Ryusu created "various universes". It also shows the Supreme kai from super which we literally know. Their universe are not destroyed and he created them.
@@anpalpalskiyet we know future zeno literally erased the whole timeline the future. Theres no being above zeno. Rhymus is only stated to be the highest authority of the universe while zeno is the ruler of everything
That’s not possible seeing as he predates the multiverse and how he literally created the multiverse. He would be on par With Zeno and the power of the Super Dragon Balls at the bare minimum
@fatdurk7934 that's what I'm saying
Wait this could maybe confirm got zeno is the god of destruction of the multiverse just think about it if this guy created the universes he could be the supreme kai of zeno and the grand priest is the angel of the multiverse i'm just saying this might have just
A single universe 7 also contain several universes. So i dont think they are talking whole infinte multiverse.
Uh they never said Rymus was stronger than Zeno. And we've seen Zeno have a stronger feat than creating the universes. Zeno is still above Rymus. He's the king of everything.
I don’t think you understand feats. Creating all the universe is just as good as a feat as erasing one lol. They are either the same tier or one is barely stronger than the other.
@anpalpalski we've seen Zeno erase the entire timeline. That's above erasing universes because it the timeline includes higher dimensions too
"Stronger" is the wrong words for beings like that.
The world should be "powerful" or "mighful"
Yes, stronger than Zeno. As stated, the highest authority. No, just because all the Glinds eventually die out does not mean the Gods of Destruction will die out. They are not connected to all the Supreme Kais of their respective universe, just the head-honcho Supreme Kai. The reason Beerus isn't dead is because the Grand Supreme Kai was absorbed by Buu, not killed, allowing Shin to go through the process or inheriting the position. Non-glinds can also become Supreme Kais. The fact that Future Trunks was able to become a Supreme Kai apprentice is proof of that. Though probably still unheard of at this point, it's not surprising that there are no restrictions for other races, considering the glinds inevitable demise.
You’re forgetting that Shin didn’t know who Zeno was until Dragon ball super. lol.
@@anpalpalski When did I mention that he did? And Zeno is clearly much younger. They are both clearly capable of creating and erasing entire universes. One clearly has more lore than the other if any inheritance shenanigans happened. Common sense and no current evidence to prove otherwise. Please give something more concrete to counter than that. lol.
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But is he stronger than zeno with gun?
No
If it wasn't a meme then yes
Definitely not
@@anpalpalski figure Zeno with gun solos again
Is it on character ai yet
The angels come from the angels realm this was stated in moro arc. Well theres 3 outer realms outside all 12 universes. Demon realm, angel realm, and omnikings palace.
That was not mentioned in the moro arc you probably read fan made manga
@@ygdon3077 um yes ur is wtf. He literally talks about it when merus was about to break the angel law. He literally tells merus to go back to the angel realm. Fan manga are u stupid???
@@ygdon3077 uh yes it is. Reread the moro arc and when they talk about the angel law. Seems u need to reread. “Dont mess with db fans they dont even read their own series”
@@ygdon3077moron go back and read
Seems like Yin/yang. But it seems like Toriyama is trying to tell us that demons are greater than angels. Biblically is reverse. Also destruction breeds creation. Like big bang theory nothing got destroyed and created what we seem to know.
I think Zeno is the reason Abura sealed off the demon realm after its creation because he was so powerful
my theoryis that Rymus created zeno along with all the angels so ghey can watch over the multiverse and zeno is the god of destruction of the multiverse i also think that he was the one who created zalama
Bro Dragon ball storyline is getting complicated bu every other series who would be the last villian if dragon ball taht could be so much interesting and i literally writing and story for last arc of dragon ball but now with this oh my goodness my story is literally is on next level
i bet that counterfeit buu can't even regenerate
I think Rymas might be Xeno’s father or a close relative and the original Omni King, not just because he created the universes but also because he looks just like Xeno minus the ears. His body and shape of his head matches Xeno , he just looks older. If Debura’s Ancestor was once The Demon King before Debura then The Omni King being a title for a Devine family line makes sense to me.
I think we’ve been introduced to the top 5 fighters ever that Whis was telling goku that grand priest was apart of when he thought about challenging priest
That’s the strongest ever supreme demon king with the absolute eye whom ordered majin rymus to create the multiverse
Majin Rymus creator of multiverse along with his species but the most powerful one
Zalama/Zarama whatever the name is creator of super shenron and dragon balls
Grand priest creator of angels
Zenos bodyguards considered as equals
Still need to find out the connection nameks have to zalama, wtf zalama looks like, the origin of that absolute eye, and All other gods and mortals that approach or surpass god of destruction levels in the multiverse or the outer verses and origins of the afterlife
The Story and Characters are from chosen characters from DBXV2 game, I made concept of some characters before they came to life
Maybe zeno first created the demon realm then rymes created the multiverse and zeno decided to rule over them thats why hes lax with the rules cuz he doesnt care that much cuz he didnt create them
The Demon Realm came first according to the backstory.
in the manga its stated that the angels are from a different realm, out of the multiverse, something similar to the demon realm
It seems everything came from the demon realm at one point.
Except Angels
Idk men, beerus once referred to zeno as the creator and supreme ruler of the multiverse capable of erasing anything regardless of complexity. Gp himself posseses the power to strip angels of their angelic nature and these angels undoubtedly can one tap the multiverse with no effort. The scaling is becoming so complex😩
beerus never said that zeno was the creator, he said that zeno was the king of everything, plus in anime and manga zeno is associated with only destruction/erasure
@@dragonballfacts1 I don't see how him being the ruler doesn't mean he created it. These retcons are honestly kinda d**b. Moreover, I'm more concerned as to how they'll make the dbz heroes 4get all of this. Daima takes place b4 battle of gods and based on what we know, vegeta was the only dbz hero aware of who beerus was. The others were surprised the first time they heard beerus was a god and also when they learnt about zeno, in super.
@dspectre1572 even in bog, vegeta's memory of beerus was foggy
@@genxvictor1805 but he still recalled, didn't he?
@@dspectre1572 only after he literally saw him
zeno's father
Bruh it does not makes any sense as shin didn't know zeno at his first appearance but he knows this new guy
Because ryumes is a majin and zeno isn't
His could BE i mean i have a theory why exist Here Dragon Ball Timeline Like worldlines between 2 worlds His IS the 5d but İTS Like something needed to Happen after bu saga GT timeline and super Timeline exist what has cause that 2 timelines exist maybe Here is a 3 Timeline and His has cause the 2 timelines to Happen
Maybe daima could explanied how GT and super Timeline was create
Multiversal war coming up in dbs. The strongest warriors from each universe especially from the ToP will have to fight for their universes again
Honestly my guess is that supreme kai may not know all the facts and eventually the elder supreme kai might correct him and mention zeno and grand priest
grand priest is basically the strongest strength wise but power wise goes to zeno. whis even said zeno isnt physically strong but he dont have to be because of the amazing power zeno has
whis stated that zeno is supreme ruler of all and nothing is above him so I doubt
Like master Qui Gon said. There is always a bigger fish.
I think he’s like the Kai to Zeno being a destroyer. I don’t think he’s stronger than Zeno in terms of combat but he can create more than any other being.
the obvious is that rymus is the counterpart of Zeno same way Shin is to beerus which is why Rymus made glinds Kais who are also creator gods on a lower scale.
The Angels are overseers all the do is make sure order is kept and they teach god of destruction and pretty much look over things, Zeno himself could not destroy Angels so we can assume the Grand Priest is far stronger than Zeno the same way Whis is far stronger than Beerus.
the only missing link here is Dragon God Zalama, he is either the creator of the Demon Realm or the first life of the Demon Realm he should also be on par if not stronger than Zeno because his Dragonball could offset the destruction cause by Zeno.
#NotMyZeno
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title: Daima Just Revealed Someone Stronger Than Zeno?
first thing in the video: there is a being that could BE ON par or above (headcanon)
click baiters man
Works, and there's worse and more wrong clickbait
@@genxvictor1805 the thing is, the creator kai is weaker since he just creates, however zeno is a destroyer and he can destroy anything the creator kai can create they are basically two faces of one coin however destruction always beats creation but at maximum if we are coping can say that they are equals, and the title says ''stronger than zeno'' don't tell me it works it doesn't that's headcanon lmao
Yeah he most likely is just the ultimate CREATOR god.
While Zeno is the multiversal God of Destruction. He has an angel, he is skilled at destroying.
Why else did he need the super dragon balls to undo his destruction.
Rhymus is just his supreme kai essentially, but unlike other linked beings. These two are possibly equals in power. Just one can create and the other destroy.
And I feel he likes being alone.
It's not a retcon, just added lore.
If considering who he is linked to... He would probably be hiding out in some dimension he made JUST for himself.
Heck he might have made all those time chamber style rooms too. Traveling, changing his appearance, etc.
Maybe used the super dragon balls to make himself immortal with the very first wish. To prevent the loss of himself and Zeno.
1:58 let’s be real here they didn’t want to animate goku or vegeta violating the kraken we all know they definitely can so they made an “excuse”
Honestly, I don't think vegeta or goku have the raw strength they had as adults and a kraken of that size would be a problem for their child bodies. I know Goku fought tamagami #3, but it wasn't a fight to the death like it would be with that Kraken constantly trying to kill them.
I wonder if all the legal issues are figured out with the DBS manga how everything will continue. If they could’ve animated the Moro arc and Granola arc but make the daima happen during the black frezia saga. The wish ultimately and specifically making the cast weaker and younger introducing the demon realm then. It would be the opposite of granola’s wish to be the strongest. They would have to figure out making the other 3 balls dormant (Toronbo, super dragon balls and shenron) Daima right now is hard to follow and doesn’t make sense. The Kraken is confirmed to be stronger than the 3rd tamagami goku and vegeta aren’t strong enough to fight it wth
*Please remember*
All this takes place three before the arrival of Beerus & Whis. So when Supreme Kai said that *"Rhymus is still the highest authority"*
That means it's either still true to this day or something happened to Rhymus within those three years to where Zeno became his successor. There's no other logical explanation.
Shin didnt know about zeno
@genxvictor1805 But when did he know exactly?
@@tonyyoung5699 it's the old kai who know about anything not shin
If you remenber in bog shin knew nothing about beerus and it's the old kai who explain
@PaulpoPau Ohh yes.
Chances are, the Super Majin could be zalama.
Why? Because, The creator of the dragon balls doesn't have to be stronger Than The said dragon.
It was stated they created the universe But Not the Multiverse.
Or, All 18 of them could have created 1 of each universe. And Zeno is from that race and Became the Omni King As a Destroyer.
So, Zeno is still the strongest? But then all the demon Kings are super saiyan 2 level, and he ordered them to make The universes. But, we also know that Majin Buu Can destroy universes so the super majins are basically Buus strength times 100 and converted into creation instead of destruction. Its kind of confusing. But then? How would zeno be so strong.
So this?has nothing to do with this but can frieza use god ki? Or is he golden form. Just extremely strong Because nobody tought it to him
God of destruction cant be a dieing race because you are chosen. Toppo was chosen as a replacement and vegeta became one. Goku didnt want that to but trained as an angel so it isnt that way. So Kais can die out but everybody else is different, multi species/universes., etc. I mean Beerus and Champa are damn brothers for crying out loud. How that happen? I wanna story
If you look at the titles, Zeno was said to be the most powerful in all of the universes
Power scale is one of the big problem in dragon ball
What if Majin Rymus is already dead, and Zeno took over.
Zeno is probably just the next in line to be “supreme ruler”
Supreme Kai doesn’t even know Zeno exists at this time, so it’s valid
bro supreme kai knew since he was first introduced all the kais always knew about gods and the angel they just never mentioned it to goku cuz then he would wanna fight them and get cooked by a touch of a finger
@ no he didn’t.
Watch super when Zeno was first introduced.
The supreme Kai was confused and asking elder Kai who he was.
Shin didn’t get to learn everything because buu killed all the other Kai’s in U7
Also it was beerus that *ELDER KAI* didnt want to mention
Shin didn’t even know beerus existed at the time either
or rymes ia like the supreme kai of zeno or zeno is rymes son since he is so much protected by body guards and has his own angel as a way to have him the most protected
Theres still a lot of lore left
Zeno ain't even strong, he just has an op ability, like giving a baby a nuke launch button😂😂
better theory is that the Angels are from the HEAVEN REALM ...opposite to the demon REALM ...question who would be the boss of the HEAVEN REALM ... GOD ?
Riamis is same species as king kai
Dont forget King Enma 😆 afterlife world 😗
Dragon ball fans ain't beating the allegations
Zeno is the strongest in the multiverse, but Rymus isn’t in the multiverse.
Where does zalama fit into all this 😟
Shin’s real name is Nahare
What if majin Rymus is Zeno father🤔just wondering 💭
what you mean fit into Super ? they are literally giving more information ...
lol the kraken fr is probs mad od to kill.
The gods of destruction is stronger than the Kai’s aka gods of creation. I think would be stronger especially if he was older
I think your stuck on them being connected to much. It seems these positions are appointed not inherited….. so it’s not until being appointed the rules set in place. Example Vegito maybe become new god of destruction. Beerus will be freed of the connection and his life (Vegeta) will be attached to the new supreme Kai etc etc…
I’m not stuck in anything. I’m simply making a theory lmao.
@ yes and im countering it with I believe your theory is flawed because you are stuck on that thinking path i pointed out. Good video. Expect others to have other opinions too.
Yea, its Anti Spiral.
Supreme Zeno
look how they massacred my love....
Making Kuu would clap super buu.
He's not stronger than zeno, he's just the creator of universes, nothing more than that, zeno by his name itself is the king of everything, zeno stronger
No he isn’t. Creating all of the universes that Zeno rules is just as good as a feat as Zeno erasing a universe lmao.
@@anpalpalskiyou literally make no sense, delete this headcannon video
Cap shin at these point did not know zeno
Honestly, dragon ball character designs in Daima and Super are way to bad.
Super 2 character designs look promising though.
This literally seems like click bait i almost skipped this completely just like I did with another video because I thought this was all clip bait
Maybe he's Zeno's dad
Majin kuu is so underrated. He’s stronger than Jiren, and he’s maybe better than any new character in super except for Broly
He's not stronger than jiren 😂
@@Guyton1824Not even stronger than Buu. But he is fun
Kraken > Tamagami #3
zeno dad's
They shouldve just left dbz alone
Hes zenos opposite he creates zeno destroys