Nah I didn’t think daima was finna set the stage, this is too perfect for it all coming together. ITS CRAZY bc we wanted more fights but toriyama wanted more story before it got crazy, this is was we needed and didn’t know RIP THE HOAT
6:06 it's likely shin didn't know about the destroyers in the battle of gods arc/movie was still fused with kibito and was the first time he meets beerus like with zeno. Also forgot to include here, the only one who knew about beerus and the destroyers, like the other kais and kaioshins, was the old man from 15 generations. The old kaioshin to make it simple since beerus sealed him in the z sword during that time.
imagine a flashback of zeno and rymus argue about something since that era, and zeno decided to takeoff his anger on wiping out 6 universes. Whis vaguely told goku and vegeta about zeno doing that, but not all.
I'm surprise shin knowns about the creator but when it came to Zeno he did not even know who he was in the anime whe Zeno is first introduced shim asked elder Kia who he was
5:50 _"so far there is no word of a realm where the gods of destruction come from"_ arent their own universes ? When Begeta asked Bhis to train him, Bhis only accepted if the prince would try to become the next Destroyer. On top of that, Toppo veers to be the next Destroyer for Universe 11.
It must even be taken in consideration that while Rymus and Zeno share same pattern colours, Rymus has pointy ears while Zeno has round ears. If they gave us a lore about species with pointy ears like namekians and glinds (and many others) coming from the demon realm they could even give a lore about species characters with round ears like Frieza, King Cold, Hit, Jiren, Bibidi, Babidi and even Zeno. Also, Bibidi and Babidi have some connections to demon realm due to having a reputation and being notorious even though they have round ears and only species with pointy ears inhabitating the demon realm. It could be interesting if they will explain the connections between round ears characters like Bibidi and Babidi and pointy ears characters like Abura, Dabura, Marba, Arinsu, Degesu and Gomah and even between Rymus (pointy ears) and Zeno (round ears)
Actor: Can I cry now?!👍🏾 Director: Go ahead but Its coming out of your cut,...I've got film to roll!😅 I really thought I was the only one who cared about such things..🕵 now I don't know whether to pee or cry but either way some fluid is comin out! "Say it don't spray it".. Cuz we all know when there's a fight involving vegeta, you might just holler..😂 I've been sniffin around it like a hound since learning hierarchy(beerus,zenny)😅 and I noticed everyone has foes but the angels, and zeno has no real background story soo hey ho..! I gotta admit dragonball is, once again, giving their fans a very merry season..😅👏🏾
Demon realm invades mortal realm. Angel realm comes in and tries to bring balance but also might destroy everything. Creation and mortals exist as some nephilim offspring of the angels and demons. It sounds alot like the Diablo franchise lore.
Comparing with Yugioh, Zeno is Nitemare and Rymus is Zorc. One came before, by the author and the studio. But then the author made "alone" his version and that's what became canon. Super is now the "beta version" for the lore of Daima
Yeah this makes total sense, also Gomah is the leader is the Pride Troopers. If you look Gomah wears the same outfit as the Pride Troopers in episode 15 we’ll see how he created the Pride Troopers
When you think about it, Zeno and rymus are like ying and yang like. By order, demons are supposed to be the destroyer but instead become the creator and gods that supposed to be the creator becomes the destroyers.
The new lore that grand kaioshin was higher than an actual grand GoD, that mean gohan power was indeed so powerful because he tap in his power from creation directly
A demon isn't always bad in Abrahamic religions all demons are bad but in Chinese and Japanese culture a demon is basically a supernatural being that can be bad or good
I like to think that Rymus is Zeno. Rymus being the mature elder persona that then transforms into a more childish version that is Zeno, which then could transform into a baby or a cacoon which has no interaction with the universes which allows for potential chaos in which Grand Priest may be tied up with taking care of the (Now 2) infant/cocoon versions of Zeno/Rymus until it Transforms back into Rymus to re-establish order. They have practically the same color scheme as well so I thought that they could just be the same being in different stages. Basically a backwards aging kind of thing.
This sounds very similar to the myth if Asuras and Devas from Dharmik traditions. Where Asuras and Devas coexisted peacefully but overtime Ausras got corrupted and they did bad things. They were termed as demons later.
NO. The reason why Shin didn't mention the " God of destruction " is because it will mess up the initial narrative introduction of beerus! How is it that BIG YT missed this part every single time!??
@fatdurk7934 yes. You are right and this proves more point why GOD of destruction cannot be mentioned in Daima around Z fighters. Otherwise it will loose it's narrative structure. Having Goma and arinsus party discussing this would make more sense and hopefully insert Moro in there.
@@solomonogbe-d9x Exactly. I wished they had kept these conversation outside of Z fighters. This way we get more screen time from the villains. Arinsu, Marba, Goma and Neva would be the perfect narrator for this.
This probably means there's more universe than 18, but can't really believe that unless next episode explains who rymus more, and mayber zalama (hoping yumoshi lore)
Agree with most of this. The only exception is this idea of demons vs angels. It’s been proven both divine groups are good (with the demon world having a few “bad” actors). I also think Gods of destruction of chosen not assigned from a specific specie or realm. So what if it turns out Zeno was chosen from rymus’ Mahon clan? One other question I have is what this new lore means for the grand Kai and his direct reports. Also dikaioshin? How was shin selected to be supreme Kai when he himself had a boss (Daikaioshin)
Bro I have a theory like zalama was also a namekian and he made super shenron who recreated 7 universes what if zalama made super shenron with combining or taking powers from Rymus
Could be, the term majin pertains to a lot of different races in the Deamon realm only those with pointy ears are considered to be demons everyone else is just considered majin
Rymus is most likely the Creation God to Zeno's Destruction God status. Of course people in the multiverse of Dragon Ball would refer to Zeno as the higher body, they FEAR him. Get him mad and he'd just erase you, Goku was the only one to not directly fear him.
Actually you guys!!! Why Shin didn't mention about the Gods of destruction and angels is that he literally has no idea about the gods and angels. As you can see in the beginning of the dragon ball super only the old supreme kai knew about Beerus but not Shin. And also in the universe 6 and 7 tournament saga as you can see when Zeno appeared in front of them, Shin didn't know who Zeno was. You better revise the episodes!!!
what I dont think makes much sense is how, Rymus was the creator of the multiverse, the top deity... and yet he was ordered by the Demon King of the time?! This would have been way more impactful if they didn't make the average demon as week as they had back in the Buu, with Dabura being at the same level as perfect cell... Whos in charge then? The demon kings are in charge of Rymus, or is Rymus in charge? Is he bellow Zeno? None of it make sense!
It is very simple rymus is a majin which means that he/she comes from the demon realm and the demon king at the time was a good person so if that demon King told rymus to create the multiverse in order to expand the demon realm, rymus would obviously do so since it would benefit the demon realm that he or she comes from, plus the demon king was good and did not have bad intentions, so rymus would have no reason to refuse, it's not about being ordered and it's more about rymus trying to improve the home he or she came from.
Very good and also there's demonic angels as well so it would make since to have demonic destroyers so I believe they have they own universe or timeline which they exist they don't exist In the Nirmal demon relms as we seen so far so the demon king is not the strongest by far
I thought anybody could become a GOD OF destruction if they meet the qualifications and are selected ? for example toppo he’s not some godly being but he’s a candidate to become a G.O.D even though he’s a mortal Also beerus is always asking if goku or vegeta or trying to take his spot I’m not sure how it works guessill wait for the explanation
This is why I hate it when a spin-off series takes place between existing timelines. They’re learning about the multiverse and everything here, yet in Super everyone is surprised when it’s introduced. OMG, there are other universes?!!
We have never seen Zeno creating and universe but destroying. And super dragon balls are undo the acts of Zeno that's makes super dragon ball more stronger than Zeno and ultimately makes the creator of the super dragon ball stronger than Zeno so may be rymus was the one to create the super dragon balls
So if zeno is his son how does it make sense that Rymus creates but his son destroys. Sounds like a joke about Rome. I think the grand priest is actually rymus son not zeno.
Nothin is explains too much speculation listen this toriyamas vison zeno has been replaced isn't it obvious ❤. Plus rymus has pointy ears and zeno dose not ........which means he's not from demon realm ...super .this is new stuff that super never explained or did respect toriyamas vison
i honestly have no faith on super being canon anymore, but heres a little bit of cope: maybe Daishinkan is a guide angel, zeno is a destructor god and rymus is a god of creation such as the shins
I think the appropriate creator would be zalama who created the demon realm and super dragon balls And planted the seed of Kai's trees And built the first demons meaning namekians.
People seems to forget that shin is very much ignorant about this stuff and its in his from the beginning character.he still didn't know about destroyers angels different universes zeno grand priest.
dude, remember during the u6 and u7 match? and grand zeno appeard after the match together with his body guards. shin doesn't even know zeno not until the old kai told him who he was. also beerus introduce zeno.
Remember when everyone thought the grand Kai was the top of the food chain? Pepperidge farms remembers
I thought the same thing until they made super 😂
Pepperidge farms lmfao
Lmao I remember when we thought king yema and king kai were top of the food chain 2 lmao. Much simpler times
Remember when Kami was the top of the food chain?
@@Chespin_Master 🐐
5:50 no because as we've seen with toppo you can become a god of destruction and not be born one so there has to be a different way
Nah I didn’t think daima was finna set the stage, this is too perfect for it all coming together. ITS CRAZY bc we wanted more fights but toriyama wanted more story before it got crazy, this is was we needed and didn’t know RIP THE HOAT
My question is what's the role of zalama in Dragon ball universe
Maybe the first namekian
I’m pretty sure that gods of destructions are just mortals chosen as gods not from a separate realms as they all look different.
Yep, the clown GOD was from the pride troopers originally and knew jirens master before ascension.
The grand priest turns them into gods
It doesn’t explain on why they become connected to grand priest of their universe tho.
There is only one grand preist across 12 universes @@ralphtime
@@Authenticnerd123 They meant Supreme Kai.
6:06 it's likely shin didn't know about the destroyers in the battle of gods arc/movie was still fused with kibito and was the first time he meets beerus like with zeno. Also forgot to include here, the only one who knew about beerus and the destroyers, like the other kais and kaioshins, was the old man from 15 generations. The old kaioshin to make it simple since beerus sealed him in the z sword during that time.
imagine a flashback of zeno and rymus argue about something since that era, and zeno decided to takeoff his anger on wiping out 6 universes. Whis vaguely told goku and vegeta about zeno doing that, but not all.
And people say DAIMA is like a filler series 🗿☕
They are just haters. Ignore them
It couldn't be filler as Akira toriyama created it himself
Those people are just haters
Ironically, Super is now the filler series
Trolliyama attacked once again
Nah bro, the moment we got the Kaiōshin relation to the demon realm, we were in for a good series with some interesting lore and insight
Why would that be they are clearly disrespecting Akira toriyama
Zeno, is the brother of Rhus!
Now it makes sense to me.😁
I'm surprise shin knowns about the creator but when it came to Zeno he did not even know who he was in the anime whe Zeno is first introduced shim asked elder Kia who he was
yah when zeno first appeared after the match of u6 and u7, old kai, beerus and whis are the ones knew zeno
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I think destroyers are chosen
5:50 _"so far there is no word of a realm where the gods of destruction come from"_
arent their own universes ? When Begeta asked Bhis to train him, Bhis only accepted if the prince would try to become the next Destroyer. On top of that, Toppo veers to be the next Destroyer for Universe 11.
I'm waiting to see how the glinds became connected to the god of destruction and is Zalama also in one of the demon realms?
Great episode
It must even be taken in consideration that while Rymus and Zeno share same pattern colours, Rymus has pointy ears while Zeno has round ears.
If they gave us a lore about species with pointy ears like namekians and glinds (and many others) coming from the demon realm they could even give a lore about species characters with round ears like Frieza, King Cold, Hit, Jiren, Bibidi, Babidi and even Zeno.
Also, Bibidi and Babidi have some connections to demon realm due to having a reputation and being notorious even though they have round ears and only species with pointy ears inhabitating the demon realm.
It could be interesting if they will explain the connections between round ears characters like Bibidi and Babidi and pointy ears characters like Abura, Dabura, Marba, Arinsu, Degesu and Gomah and even between Rymus (pointy ears) and Zeno (round ears)
Actor: Can I cry now?!👍🏾
Director: Go ahead but Its coming out of your cut,...I've got film to roll!😅
I really thought I was the only one who cared about such things..🕵 now I don't know whether to pee or cry but either way some fluid is comin out! "Say it don't spray it".. Cuz we all know when there's a fight involving vegeta, you might just holler..😂 I've been sniffin around it like a hound since learning hierarchy(beerus,zenny)😅 and I noticed everyone has foes but the angels, and zeno has no real background story soo hey ho..! I gotta admit dragonball is, once again, giving their fans a very merry season..😅👏🏾
Demon realm invades mortal realm. Angel realm comes in and tries to bring balance but also might destroy everything. Creation and mortals exist as some nephilim offspring of the angels and demons. It sounds alot like the Diablo franchise lore.
Comparing with Yugioh, Zeno is Nitemare and Rymus is Zorc. One came before, by the author and the studio. But then the author made "alone" his version and that's what became canon. Super is now the "beta version" for the lore of Daima
Gotta love DBS HYPE
Why Y'all confused ?
Rymus created Multiverses only inside a Demon realm not in the realm where the Lord omni King Zeno Resides 😂😂
Yeah this makes total sense, also Gomah is the leader is the Pride Troopers. If you look Gomah wears the same outfit as the Pride Troopers in episode 15 we’ll see how he created the Pride Troopers
Amazing😊😊
Nice vid bro
Didnt even watch it clown
I think they'll sooner or later find a new Glind Tree to save their species
When you think about it, Zeno and rymus are like ying and yang like. By order, demons are supposed to be the destroyer but instead become the creator and gods that supposed to be the creator becomes the destroyers.
The new lore that grand kaioshin was higher than an actual grand GoD, that mean gohan power was indeed so powerful because he tap in his power from creation directly
Weird the angels support destruction and the demons aid creation.
A demon isn't always bad in Abrahamic religions all demons are bad but in Chinese and Japanese culture a demon is basically a supernatural being that can be bad or good
I like to think that Rymus is Zeno. Rymus being the mature elder persona that then transforms into a more childish version that is Zeno, which then could transform into a baby or a cacoon which has no interaction with the universes which allows for potential chaos in which Grand Priest may be tied up with taking care of the (Now 2) infant/cocoon versions of Zeno/Rymus until it Transforms back into Rymus to re-establish order.
They have practically the same color scheme as well so I thought that they could just be the same being in different stages. Basically a backwards aging kind of thing.
This sounds very similar to the myth if Asuras and Devas from Dharmik traditions. Where Asuras and Devas coexisted peacefully but overtime Ausras got corrupted and they did bad things. They were termed as demons later.
Bruh, the big bang being decicted as the cosmic accident.
NO. The reason why Shin didn't mention the " God of destruction " is because it will mess up the initial narrative introduction of beerus! How is it that BIG YT missed this part every single time!??
Um no its cause shin doesn’t know of beerus existence until he wakes up in bog. Old kai literally had to give him a history lesson on who beerus is.
@fatdurk7934 yes. You are right and this proves more point why GOD of destruction cannot be mentioned in Daima around Z fighters. Otherwise it will loose it's narrative structure. Having Goma and arinsus party discussing this would make more sense and hopefully insert Moro in there.
Problem is Shin told Goku and co about the multiverse, that alone contradicts dbs in a big way
@@solomonogbe-d9x Exactly. I wished they had kept these conversation outside of Z fighters. This way we get more screen time from the villains. Arinsu, Marba, Goma and Neva would be the perfect narrator for this.
They messed up sonce introduction beerus goku waa suprised kai splitted from his helper. The fact they unfused now already retconned
This probably means there's more universe than 18, but can't really believe that unless next episode explains who rymus more, and mayber zalama (hoping yumoshi lore)
Agree with most of this. The only exception is this idea of demons vs angels. It’s been proven both divine groups are good (with the demon world having a few “bad” actors). I also think Gods of destruction of chosen not assigned from a specific specie or realm. So what if it turns out Zeno was chosen from rymus’ Mahon clan? One other question I have is what this new lore means for the grand Kai and his direct reports. Also dikaioshin? How was shin selected to be supreme Kai when he himself had a boss (Daikaioshin)
Biggest question
What about angles
I think there is another realm named angle realm from where meerus came
Bro I have a theory like zalama was also a namekian and he made super shenron who recreated 7 universes what if zalama made super shenron with combining or taking powers from Rymus
Could This Mean Zeno is part Majin?
Maybe
Could be, the term majin pertains to a lot of different races in the Deamon realm only those with pointy ears are considered to be demons everyone else is just considered majin
Cool video bro I get it Majin Raimus is basically Zeno's Dad
That hasn’t been confirmed
Just to be clear, destroyers are mortals that are chosen to be gods, and shin didn't even know Beerus
Rymus is most likely the Creation God to Zeno's Destruction God status.
Of course people in the multiverse of Dragon Ball would refer to Zeno as the higher body, they FEAR him.
Get him mad and he'd just erase you, Goku was the only one to not directly fear him.
Nice vid
U aint even watched it bot
Crazy the angels support destruction and the demons aid creation.
6:04 Or maybe Shin doesn't wanna spoil Goku and the others about the God of Destruction cause it might break Super's Continuity!? 😂
W man❤
Actually you guys!!!
Why Shin didn't mention about the Gods of destruction and angels is that he literally has no idea about the gods and angels. As you can see in the beginning of the dragon ball super only the old supreme kai knew about Beerus but not Shin. And also in the universe 6 and 7 tournament saga as you can see when Zeno appeared in front of them, Shin didn't know who Zeno was. You better revise the episodes!!!
So, is zeno also a super majin?
how was Zeno able to bring back the universes that were destroyed during the tournament?
That would make sense. Let his son rule all his creation
its greatooo
Basically Just SDBH then,
I think zenio is the strongest among them all because he is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient
Did rymus become the golden dragon?
what I dont think makes much sense is how, Rymus was the creator of the multiverse, the top deity... and yet he was ordered by the Demon King of the time?! This would have been way more impactful if they didn't make the average demon as week as they had back in the Buu, with Dabura being at the same level as perfect cell... Whos in charge then? The demon kings are in charge of Rymus, or is Rymus in charge? Is he bellow Zeno? None of it make sense!
It is very simple rymus is a majin which means that he/she comes from the demon realm and the demon king at the time was a good person so if that demon King told rymus to create the multiverse in order to expand the demon realm, rymus would obviously do so since it would benefit the demon realm that he or she comes from, plus the demon king was good and did not have bad intentions, so rymus would have no reason to refuse, it's not about being ordered and it's more about rymus trying to improve the home he or she came from.
Very good and also there's demonic angels as well so it would make since to have demonic destroyers so I believe they have they own universe or timeline which they exist they don't exist In the Nirmal demon relms as we seen so far so the demon king is not the strongest by far
Would Super Majin Rymus not be the first Kai? Similar to how the Grand Priest is the first Angel?
I know he doesn't have pointy ears but is maji kayo (blue gooy guy from the ToP) a majin?? He reminded me of buu
And yet people say DB has no story/bad writing compared to other anime’s 😂
It make sense if Rymus is the dad of Zeno bc Zeno its like a Kid and kids love destroy toys 😅
Can the demon realm be destroyed?
I thought anybody could become a GOD OF destruction if they meet the qualifications and are selected ?
for example toppo he’s not some godly being but he’s a candidate to become a G.O.D even though he’s a mortal
Also beerus is always asking if goku or vegeta or trying to take his spot I’m not sure how it works guessill wait for the explanation
Daima and super have different story
Just like Gt and super
Creators and destroyers are different
Thought Rymus is zeno's father
Good Sepreme Demon King. There is nothing wrong with that... besides a demon and good in the semtece.😂😂
Demons in different cultures can be good or evil Abrahamic religions have messed alot of things up
This is why I hate it when a spin-off series takes place between existing timelines.
They’re learning about the multiverse and everything here, yet in Super everyone is surprised when it’s introduced.
OMG, there are other universes?!!
Excatly. This can't be allowed to be cannon.😊
No one was surprised that there are multiverses. There surprised there’s stronger people in those universes
@@fatdurk7934 in dbs they where supprised
We have never seen Zeno creating and universe but destroying. And super dragon balls are undo the acts of Zeno that's makes super dragon ball more stronger than Zeno and ultimately makes the creator of the super dragon ball stronger than Zeno so may be rymus was the one to create the super dragon balls
Legendary Ssj God Vegeta might be the grandfather of Omni king Zeno You know
How to stretch 2 mins of content to 10 mins ahh tutorial
One angel would solo the entire demon realm lol
I was hoping that we would get answers about zalama creating the universe but with a different db lore we'll prob know nothing about him
Zalama is the creator of the super dragon balls not the universe
Makes sense, even super shenron and big planet sized dragon balls could be creation of some namekian leader from demon realm 🤔🤔
My guess is that the old Namekian his real name is Zalama, the creator of the super dragon balls. I mean he's really old and very powerful...
And Zalama isn't probably from the demon realm. 😂
Not everything is... maybe I don't know heaven!?😂
@@mlpkillers6293 from my understanding everything was created by a deity from the demon realm, including heaven 😂
So if zeno is his son how does it make sense that Rymus creates but his son destroys. Sounds like a joke about Rome. I think the grand priest is actually rymus son not zeno.
So whis’ granddaddy is rymus
He’s not his father Zeno don’t have pointed ears
Question What it's Origin of Angel Majin and Demon Realm?
I am extremely glad zeno is not top guy . I hate him
Glad this dropped so I don’t have to watch that dork Geekdom
Nothin is explains too much speculation listen this toriyamas vison zeno has been replaced isn't it obvious ❤. Plus rymus has pointy ears and zeno dose not ........which means he's not from demon realm ...super .this is new stuff that super never explained or did respect toriyamas vison
i honestly have no faith on super being canon anymore, but heres a little bit of cope:
maybe Daishinkan is a guide angel, zeno is a destructor god and rymus is a god of creation such as the shins
I think the appropriate creator would be zalama who created the demon realm and super dragon balls
And planted the seed of Kai's trees
And built the first demons meaning namekians.
100th 👍🏿
Put some work into your content and stop using ai to fill it with crap
Gods of destruction are not born lmao. These videos are so bad!
Super Majin Rhus.😂😂😂
Nah, if he created the universes, he's not from the demon realm. He is from heaven and thus isn't a Majin. 🤓😂😊
in dragon ball, hell and the demon realm are 2 different things. Hell is where bad guys go and the demon realm is just another dimention
still filler
I don’t care. This is some good lore
People seems to forget that shin is very much ignorant about this stuff and its in his from the beginning character.he still didn't know about destroyers angels different universes zeno grand priest.
dude, remember during the u6 and u7 match? and grand zeno appeard after the match together with his body guards. shin doesn't even know zeno not until the old kai told him who he was. also beerus introduce zeno.