I got my wife one and there have been minor recalls but dealership is great at sending us video updates on all the work and suprising Lu I’ve never had it sit more than 2 hours at dealership …..once was for some brake thingy update and another was for an update as well. Both really simple on and outs. Other than that lord she drives like a champ!
Great content Mike, just a personal opinion about the music volume that can be reduced some. Not sure for majority of viewers but it's sound's a bit higher than needed for a "background music". Looking forward to cx 50 & 90 videos 👍
Great job as a Mazda Tech!! You showed a conscientious attitude and completed the work professionally. I wonder if tech's like you are elsewhere doing this in the same manner??
Great video man for us technically inclined owners to know what the underlying issue(s) truly are. Thank you! We haven't bought a CX-90 yet but are interested in the PHEV and I'm seeing a lot of them available as dealer buyback/lemons at our used dealerships. What is your opinion (specifically in regards to the PHEV) after all of the recall software updates and repairs have been made? Do you foresee more ongoing issues or have a lot of the major problems been worked out? I'm a Toyota 4Runner owner and have always done my own work on the vehicle for the easy enough DIY stuff, but buying a newer style motor/EV for the family has me a little intimidated. Thank you again for your expertise and detail!
Too early to tell what other problems may arise. I can tell you that there seems to be no easy DIY stuff on these vehicles. It almost seems like Mazda has gone out of their way to make it as complicated as it could be. especially the inline 6. You can not do anything to that engine without pretty much pulling the entire thing out of the vehicle. If you have experience working on BMW and Mercedes, and you love it, then you would love working on this vehicle. It seems like Mazda is following that complicated way of doing things with this vehicle. Only time will tell.
My wife has a cx90, we really enjoy the car. Only issue is the passenger side seat bottom for whatever reason came loose from the seat frame. Its at the dealership now. Im assuming they will have to replace the bottom. Im not sure. Besides that we love it. Im sold on Mazda's quallity. I have a Speed 3 with 300k I also loved that car. I traded it for a CX5 so far a good car also
Nice video even though I dont own a CX-90. I was wondering if the electric steering/box is the same as on a 2015 Mazda 3? Likely different tuning for more weight but are they similar?
@lawrenceswanberg8490 not at all. The 15 Mazda 3 has electric hydraulic. It has an electric motor that pumps hydraulic fluid for a hydraulic power steering rack. Actually that's not right. I was thinking of 2005 sorry. The 15 Mazda 3 has the electronic control module and motor pack mounted on the steering column. It is a mechanical rack with all electronic system on the column.
There is nothing wrong with this vehicle. This model and the PHEV are solid vehicles. The inline 6 cylinder turbo is what Mazda calls the mild hybrid. If you like Mazda, they are nice. Then there is the up and coming Mazda CX-70 with the same options. Just so you know. I'm not a salesman. If you're in the market for a new vehicle. Buy whatever inspires you.
I’m looking to buy one of these but I was wondering if the regular maintenance like oil changes, tire rotation, etc are more expensive compared to other brands?
I can't speak for other brands. I deal with mainly Mazda and KIA and I can tell you that it doesn't cost anymore to perform an oil change on this vehicle then any other Mazda or KIA that comes into the shop.
Got the recall work done 3 weeks ago. The steering was much improved, but not completely rid of...the "steering effort." But, a trip to another city revealed again...the same problem. It is most noticable on the 1-30 expressway loop in Austin, Texas. Going 90 mph, you do NOT want any weird and not-so-wonderful jinks in the steering, and I noticed it FOUR TIMES as I changed lanes. What to do, then? Take it back to the shop every MONTH or what? For a re-GREASER jobby, sirs? All I can think of...this is a TEMPORARY "fix" at best, which is the condition of this BRAND NEW vehicle.
@shopforemangarage Very interested in the inline 6 cx90. May sound like a weird question but maybe you can put my mind at rest. I noticed how far the engine sits under the windshield area. When it comes time for me to have a mechanic change the spark plugs can it be done without removing or lowering the engine? I'm concerned about the cost of this routine maintenance requirement before I buy one. Thanks for your insight
I'm not sure. I have not removed plugs from one yet. I figure it can't be more than replacing plugs on a V6 that has a plenum that must be removed to get to one bank of plugs.
This doesn't seem that hard. I wonder why it took my dealer 4 hours to complete it... Curious to see more Mazda CX-90 TSBs if you have the opportunity. In particular, the one with front and rear suspension grease to stop it from creaking and popping
That TSB for the creaking and popping could take up to 4 hours depending on how bad it is and when you include the alignment. I have not had the opportunity to perform that TSB yet. Unfortunately, my Mazda content is dependent on what walks in the front door of World Car Auto Group. If I get the opportunity, I shure as heck will make a video. Thank you for your comment and the suggestion.
@ShopForemanGarage Do you know anything about the fuel sensor / gas tank capacity issue? Unable to fill up more than 14gal when range shoes ~10miles. Any solution?
I have not seen this. Could be a bad fuel sending unit. Maybe incorrect programming of the fuel sender. Could be a bad ORVR system, not letting you fill the tank properly. I don't know because I haven't seen this issue. I did find a reprogram for the sending unit when it is slow to respond after refueling. I would have the dealer check it out.
CX-90 PHEV Electrical leakage, what's the fix for that? PCM POAA6:00 Failure Type No Additional Fail Type Informationa DTC No Additional Fail Type Information DTC PCM PODE6:00 MS01-186B14 MS05-186K2-S Description Hybrid/EV Battery Pack "A" Voltage System Isolation Fault Hybrid/EV Battery Pack Cell a Voltage Low
I have not seen or heard anything about electrical leakage. What I do know is that the CX-90 uses a high voltage A/C compressor and Mazda says that you have to use their POE refrigerant oil. "Using any POE Oil other than Mazda Genuine POE oil may cause electric leakage , deteriorated A/C performance, or damages to A/C components."
Mazda does. They said that the worm gear friction force may be excessive which results in increased force required to turn the steering wheel. So if that new spring in the worm gear applies less friction force then I believe it is the long-term fix.
From the very first time I touched a CX-90, my first thoughts were BMW and Mercedes. There are some systems on this vehicle that I would hate to have to work on.
Great explanation as to what is causing and being done in regards to the increased steering effort plaguing the CX90. What caused the grease to seep from behind that plastic piece in the first place, and what’s to prevent it from happening again? By pushing the grease back behind the plastic with nothing done to seal that gap almost guarantees that it going to happen again, no?
My thoughts exactly. Mazda never mentioned it. I believe that the grease was never pushed into place properly when it was assembled. They said that the worm gear friction force may be excessive which results in increased force required to turn the steering wheel. "Dealers will redistribute the grease to the gear teeth and replace a spring with an improved part that reduces the spring force to the worm gear." I believe that it is the new spring between the inner and outer caps that actually fixes the issue.
I wanted to purchase this Vehicle very badly, but doing further research has scared me off. Primarily the highly complex nature of it. The timing chain in the rear requires an Engine pull ? No thanks
Oh yeah. I would not purchase this vehicle to work on. The first time I saw that I thought to myself, BMW, Volkswagen, Mercedes. There are a lot of things on this vehicle that are hard to get to. Things that are easier on other vehicles. You can't even disconnect the battery without taking out the cowl panel. Front diff. is bolted to the engine and oil pan. Passenger front axle goes through the oil pan.
Timing chains don't normally wear out. Unless on a very high mileage engine the chain can stretch and get too much slack in it. Usually if the timing chain goes out, something in the engine caused it. Timing chain would be covered under powertrain warranty.
Mine is running great. Other than a couple of minor recalls, no issues. Puts a smile on my face every time I slide behind the wheel.
I got my wife one and there have been minor recalls but dealership is great at sending us video updates on all the work and suprising Lu I’ve never had it sit more than 2 hours at dealership …..once was for some brake thingy update and another was for an update as well. Both really simple on and outs. Other than that lord she drives like a champ!
Good to know she's doing good for you. Thanks for the feedback.
Great content Mike, just a personal opinion about the music volume that can be reduced some. Not sure for majority of viewers but it's sound's a bit higher than needed for a "background music".
Looking forward to cx 50 & 90 videos 👍
Thank you very much for this comment. I have addressed the issue with the sound. On my newer videos it sould be much better.
Great job as a Mazda Tech!! You showed a conscientious attitude and completed the work professionally. I wonder if tech's like you are elsewhere doing this in the same manner??
I hope so. Thanks for the comment and your support.
Great video man for us technically inclined owners to know what the underlying issue(s) truly are. Thank you! We haven't bought a CX-90 yet but are interested in the PHEV and I'm seeing a lot of them available as dealer buyback/lemons at our used dealerships. What is your opinion (specifically in regards to the PHEV) after all of the recall software updates and repairs have been made? Do you foresee more ongoing issues or have a lot of the major problems been worked out? I'm a Toyota 4Runner owner and have always done my own work on the vehicle for the easy enough DIY stuff, but buying a newer style motor/EV for the family has me a little intimidated. Thank you again for your expertise and detail!
Too early to tell what other problems may arise. I can tell you that there seems to be no easy DIY stuff on these vehicles. It almost seems like Mazda has gone out of their way to make it as complicated as it could be. especially the inline 6. You can not do anything to that engine without pretty much pulling the entire thing out of the vehicle. If you have experience working on BMW and Mercedes, and you love it, then you would love working on this vehicle. It seems like Mazda is following that complicated way of doing things with this vehicle. Only time will tell.
My wife has a cx90, we really enjoy the car. Only issue is the passenger side seat bottom for whatever reason came loose from the seat frame. Its at the dealership now. Im assuming they will have to replace the bottom. Im not sure. Besides that we love it. Im sold on Mazda's quallity. I have a Speed 3 with 300k I also loved that car. I traded it for a CX5 so far a good car also
Gorgeous car regardless
We agree!
Nice video even though I dont own a CX-90. I was wondering if the electric steering/box is the same as on a 2015 Mazda 3? Likely different tuning for more weight but are they similar?
@lawrenceswanberg8490 not at all. The 15 Mazda 3 has electric hydraulic. It has an electric motor that pumps hydraulic fluid for a hydraulic power steering rack.
Actually that's not right. I was thinking of 2005 sorry. The 15 Mazda 3 has the electronic control module and motor pack mounted on the steering column. It is a mechanical rack with all electronic system on the column.
I was strongly considering this car, I am scared now. I was hoping the PHEV would be a good option. 😩😩😩😩
There is nothing wrong with this vehicle. This model and the PHEV are solid vehicles. The inline 6 cylinder turbo is what Mazda calls the mild hybrid. If you like Mazda, they are nice. Then there is the up and coming Mazda CX-70 with the same options. Just so you know. I'm not a salesman. If you're in the market for a new vehicle. Buy whatever inspires you.
Mazda has been the hidden treasure for the last decade. This vehicle out BMW the European cars.
I’m looking to buy one of these but I was wondering if the regular maintenance like oil changes, tire rotation, etc are more expensive compared to other brands?
I can't speak for other brands. I deal with mainly Mazda and KIA and I can tell you that it doesn't cost anymore to perform an oil change on this vehicle then any other Mazda or KIA that comes into the shop.
Excellent work Maestro! Do you think the timing cover leaks on the 2.5 cx-90?
I have not seen that yet.
I thought it says in the TSB Recall to keep the vehicle in the air and steer back and forth to see if it feels notchy?
Your right. It does say to check if the steering is binding or feel heavy.
Got the recall work done 3 weeks ago. The steering was much improved, but not completely rid of...the "steering effort." But, a trip to another city revealed again...the same problem.
It is most noticable on the 1-30 expressway loop in Austin, Texas. Going 90 mph, you do NOT want any weird and not-so-wonderful jinks in the steering, and I noticed it FOUR TIMES as I changed lanes. What to do, then? Take it back to the shop every MONTH or what? For a re-GREASER jobby, sirs? All I can think of...this is a TEMPORARY "fix" at best, which is the condition of this BRAND NEW vehicle.
Take it back. The grease is not what fixes it. Its the tension on the new spring. Maybe they put the wrong spring back into the steering gear.
@shopforemangarage
Very interested in the inline 6 cx90. May sound like a weird question but maybe you can put my mind at rest. I noticed how far the engine sits under the windshield area. When it comes time for me to have a mechanic change the spark plugs can it be done without removing or lowering the engine? I'm concerned about the cost of this routine maintenance requirement before I buy one. Thanks for your insight
I'm not sure. I have not removed plugs from one yet. I figure it can't be more than replacing plugs on a V6 that has a plenum that must be removed to get to one bank of plugs.
This doesn't seem that hard. I wonder why it took my dealer 4 hours to complete it... Curious to see more Mazda CX-90 TSBs if you have the opportunity. In particular, the one with front and rear suspension grease to stop it from creaking and popping
That TSB for the creaking and popping could take up to 4 hours depending on how bad it is and when you include the alignment. I have not had the opportunity to perform that TSB yet. Unfortunately, my Mazda content is dependent on what walks in the front door of World Car Auto Group. If I get the opportunity, I shure as heck will make a video. Thank you for your comment and the suggestion.
@ShopForemanGarage Do you know anything about the fuel sensor / gas tank capacity issue? Unable to fill up more than 14gal when range shoes ~10miles. Any solution?
I have not seen this. Could be a bad fuel sending unit. Maybe incorrect programming of the fuel sender. Could be a bad ORVR system, not letting you fill the tank properly. I don't know because I haven't seen this issue. I did find a reprogram for the sending unit when it is slow to respond after refueling. I would have the dealer check it out.
CX-90 PHEV Electrical leakage, what's the fix for that?
PCM POAA6:00 Failure Type No Additional Fail Type Informationa DTC No Additional Fail Type Information DTC PCM PODE6:00 MS01-186B14 MS05-186K2-S Description Hybrid/EV Battery Pack "A" Voltage System Isolation Fault Hybrid/EV Battery Pack Cell a Voltage Low
I have not seen or heard anything about electrical leakage. What I do know is that the CX-90 uses a high voltage A/C compressor and Mazda says that you have to use their POE refrigerant oil. "Using any POE Oil other than Mazda Genuine POE oil may cause electric leakage , deteriorated A/C performance, or damages to A/C components."
I used MDARS to clear codes so the car can be driven otherwise it was unable to switch out of park. All modules are up to date at the moment.
Yes, MDARS is needed to scan a CX-90. The IDS is an old Ford based scan system and won't work with new Mazdas.
Great content! But do you feel this is really a long-term fix?
Mazda does. They said that the worm gear friction force may be excessive which results in increased force required to turn the steering wheel. So if that new spring in the worm gear applies less friction force then I believe it is the long-term fix.
basically 15mins of a guy lubricating and caressing an engine part with his finger
That engine sounds pretty complicated.
You're right. Mazda seems to like to complicate everything.
The cx9 and cx5 must have been too reliable, so it seems they hired german engineers fornthe cx90 lol
From the very first time I touched a CX-90, my first thoughts were BMW and Mercedes. There are some systems on this vehicle that I would hate to have to work on.
Great explanation as to what is causing and being done in regards to the increased steering effort plaguing the CX90. What caused the grease to seep from behind that plastic piece in the first place, and what’s to prevent it from happening again? By pushing the grease back behind the plastic with nothing done to seal that gap almost guarantees that it going to happen again, no?
My thoughts exactly. Mazda never mentioned it. I believe that the grease was never pushed into place properly when it was assembled. They said that the worm gear friction force may be excessive which results in increased force required to turn the steering wheel. "Dealers will redistribute the grease to the gear teeth and replace a spring with an improved part that reduces the spring force to the worm gear." I believe that it is the new spring between the inner and outer caps that actually fixes the issue.
I wanted to purchase this Vehicle very badly, but doing further research has scared me off. Primarily the highly complex nature of it. The timing chain in the rear requires an Engine pull ? No thanks
Oh yeah. I would not purchase this vehicle to work on. The first time I saw that I thought to myself, BMW, Volkswagen, Mercedes. There are a lot of things on this vehicle that are hard to get to. Things that are easier on other vehicles. You can't even disconnect the battery without taking out the cowl panel. Front diff. is bolted to the engine and oil pan. Passenger front axle goes through the oil pan.
I guess timing chain replacement is a normal wear item and not covered by any warranty.
Timing chains don't normally wear out. Unless on a very high mileage engine the chain can stretch and get too much slack in it. Usually if the timing chain goes out, something in the engine caused it. Timing chain would be covered under powertrain warranty.
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