Agram 2002: Little brother to the Croatian 'gangster' gun, with firearms expert Jonathan Ferguson

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  • @mavvh1054
    @mavvh1054 9 місяців тому +150

    They should make a gun that weighs 1 kg and call it A(kilo)gram. I apologize for my terrible joke.

    • @scrappydoo7887
      @scrappydoo7887 9 місяців тому +4

      😅

    • @PobortzaPl
      @PobortzaPl 9 місяців тому +9

      I forgot something:
      Ba-dum, tss!

    • @K__a__M__I
      @K__a__M__I 9 місяців тому +6

      At this point you can just throw a weight around.

    • @TheDeveloperGuy
      @TheDeveloperGuy 9 місяців тому +12

      Or shuffle the letters and call it the Anagram.

    • @DeliciousBoi
      @DeliciousBoi 9 місяців тому +2

      I LIKE THESE CONCEPTS

  • @causewaykayak
    @causewaykayak 9 місяців тому +22

    Mr Ferguson is really good at this. Always interesting. Always so careful with the "stock". A pleasure to watch. I wish I was better at the quizzes. 😊

  • @hell3quin864
    @hell3quin864 9 місяців тому +47

    When you mentioned that the 2002 was involved in an assassination attempt I suddenly remembered that there's an smg type weapon in Mass Effect 2 that you loot from a vault specifically bc it was used to assassinate a president. I get the strong feeling that it's a direct reference.

    • @LaDeCR
      @LaDeCR 8 місяців тому +2

      I remember that gun - double checked and found you're referring to the M-12 Locust SMG ; I can see what you mean now. I was thinking of ME3's N7 Hurricane SMG, but then both are designed with the magazine well in the rear grip rather than the front.

  • @tomdawe5039
    @tomdawe5039 9 місяців тому +29

    The 2000 is a beautiful looking firearm

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 9 місяців тому +4

      In that late 90's "futuristic" kind of way, yeah.

  • @MythicMagus
    @MythicMagus 9 місяців тому +4

    I really like the lines on this family of SMGs. Very cool looking guns.

  • @drtysanchino
    @drtysanchino 9 місяців тому +18

    Bears a lot of resemblance to later versions of the Tec-9, with the shorter exposed barrel.

    • @basiliskwardroid
      @basiliskwardroid 9 місяців тому +2

      I thought it was a tec 22 at first glance

    • @Matt-md5yt
      @Matt-md5yt 9 місяців тому +2

      It does look similar to a tec-9

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 9 місяців тому

      Good catch. I kept trying to place why this Agram looked like it was familiar.

  • @monotech20.14
    @monotech20.14 9 місяців тому +22

    I love this gun ,the Agram 2000. Far more than the B&T subguns, OR Scorpion.

    • @jamescameron6819
      @jamescameron6819 9 місяців тому +6

      the 2000 in particular is a oddly attractive firearm

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 9 місяців тому +2

      The Agram's have a certain... almost "cyber punk" aesthetic. The B & T compact sub machine guns are far better built and reliable, plus I like the look of their first generation.

    • @jamescameron6819
      @jamescameron6819 9 місяців тому +1

      @williestyle35 it came to me last night. They look like the child of a Tech 9 and a P 90

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 9 місяців тому

      @@jamescameron6819 good comparison

  • @satratic127
    @satratic127 9 місяців тому +3

    Man jonathan bravley recording a video down a live firing range. He will do anything for another banger video

  • @jaspermooren5883
    @jaspermooren5883 9 місяців тому +6

    As a gunnoob, I was quite suprised to see how little actual barrel there was compared to the length of the firearm! I'm mainly interested in old muzzleloaded firearms, where the barrellength is basically the entire length of the metal tube (really only the stock makes the gun longer than the barrel). I always just kinda assumed it would be simular for modern firearms, that the bullet goes in all the way at the back, and is fired from somewhere just above the handle. But clearly that isn't the case, at least with this gun.

    • @beingsactual
      @beingsactual 9 місяців тому +5

      Principally, it is *feeding* that necessitates a certain length of action stroke, introducing some arbitrary dimensions to repeaters, automatic or manual, when compared to muzzle loaders and single-shot breech loaders. Which results in a fair few compactness-oriented firearm designs that are more action than barrel. Such super short barrels are certainly less than ideal, but with the modernity of self-contained metallic cartridges and fairly tight seal between the barrel and the projectile, they are still functional, which is considered "good enough" under such design considerations, where engagement distance is expected to be very short anyway.

    • @jaspermooren5883
      @jaspermooren5883 9 місяців тому +2

      @@beingsactual Yeah after he screwed open the weapon it made sense, I just never really thought about it that way. It just felt odd having such a relatively long weapon (most pistols are shorter) with such a short actual barrel.

  • @Lankythepyro
    @Lankythepyro 9 місяців тому +2

    I'm a fan of the 2000 but this is an interesting step in its development story. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Matt-md5yt
    @Matt-md5yt 9 місяців тому +4

    It's pretty, thanks for covering this cool looking smg

  • @jjforcebreaker
    @jjforcebreaker 9 місяців тому +2

    They both look simply great.

  • @Chiller11
    @Chiller11 9 місяців тому +4

    Interesting that it’s a closed bolt arrangement. It seems most blow back sub guns made under wartime conditions are simple open bolt designs. I think a provision for a stock would improve the design as well.

  • @Can-Kashi
    @Can-Kashi 9 місяців тому +4

    Externally, the first one reminds me of the barrel shrouded Kimel AP-9 and the compact ver. reminds me of the Tec-9 Minis. They both probably function better though.

  • @ironwolfF1
    @ironwolfF1 9 місяців тому +7

    It looks like a fancy variant of the TEC-9.

  • @samcruickshanks6856
    @samcruickshanks6856 9 місяців тому +4

    I didn't even know this existed, I was aware of the 2000 model and have always thought it a very good looking firearm and especially so in it's particular class of weapon (sub machine gun) , can't help but wonder what situation this would shine in over other platforms though.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 9 місяців тому +1

      Being produced locally in Croatia is where it "shines" over most other designs and platforms. There was an arms embargo in place when (the former) Yugoslavia disintegrated into "civil war"...

  • @MichaelDodge27
    @MichaelDodge27 9 місяців тому +6

    My only question is where do I get that kick-ass SMG shirt??

    • @Mr_T_Badger
      @Mr_T_Badger 8 місяців тому +1

      I have been shamelessly begging Johnathan and Dave Jewitt to do an episode on his shirt collection for ages.

  • @vulpsturm
    @vulpsturm 9 місяців тому +2

    Reminds me of the internal workings of the Intratec Tec-9 series. It's very similar.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 9 місяців тому

      Even the exterior looks similar in a few ways. I wonder if Royal Armouries has done a video on the Tec - 9 ?

  • @Smintjes
    @Smintjes 9 місяців тому +2

    The supporting hand is waaaaay to close to the muzzle if you ask me. Some sort of anti-slip barrier like on the SP89 would not be a bad idea, especially when firing full auto.
    Again, very informative video Mr. Ferguson.

    • @bunk95
      @bunk95 9 місяців тому

      Too close to the muzzle for what?

    • @thescatologistcopromancer3936
      @thescatologistcopromancer3936 9 місяців тому

      ​@@bunk95comfort

    • @FabianMacGintyONeill
      @FabianMacGintyONeill 9 місяців тому

      I have a feeling the type of gangster hitmen using this would most likely use it one-hand unsupported. Don't have any evidence to back that up of course, but dudes like that tend to prefer a 'power stance' style of shooting vs anything practical

  • @simonbrooke4065
    @simonbrooke4065 4 місяці тому

    That seems to be rather a well engineered machine pistol -- but a terrifying thing to have in the hands of criminals!

  • @TMFShooting
    @TMFShooting 9 місяців тому +1

    Another Great Video Jonathan 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

  • @mr.pickles8445
    @mr.pickles8445 9 місяців тому +3

    These are just cooler tec-9s

  • @adestimare5985
    @adestimare5985 7 місяців тому +1

    Very much a star wars looking gun too

  • @danijelhrup9715
    @danijelhrup9715 4 місяці тому

    This gun was build in garage by Vugrek family, when I was in Croatian army as a first man of 4 in BVP 80, we had ERO something like big UZI...

  • @K__a__M__I
    @K__a__M__I 9 місяців тому +3

    What are the hours-of-angle on this thing?

  • @FryingTiger
    @FryingTiger 6 місяців тому

    The barrel device is for proecting the threads.

  • @adamadams6740
    @adamadams6740 8 місяців тому

    Where did you find that shirt you’re wearing?? That’s subtle and cool! I didn’t notice until almost the end of video.

  • @F1ghteR41
    @F1ghteR41 9 місяців тому +2

    I've never heard of this gun, so this was naturally quite interesting, thanks! It's somewhat unusual to see a modern blowback SMG without a telescoping bolt.
    By the way, Jonathan, on the topic of striker-firing, what's your view on the term 'horizontal hammer'? Is it just a marketing trick, or are there any systems you would describe as such?

    • @JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries
      @JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries 9 місяців тому +6

      Thank you! Definitely not marketing (usually "linear hammer" is used) - it's a weight that impacts a firing pin, whereas a striker is a firing pin that is cocked and released to fire without being struck by any kind of hammer. So a Lee-Enfield with its firing pin and cocking piece is technically "striker-fired" as of course is the "Safe Action" Glock. The vz58 however has a "linear hammer".

    • @F1ghteR41
      @F1ghteR41 9 місяців тому +1

      @@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries Ah, yes, indeed, linear hammer, my mistake. Thank you for the detailed answer, this shows my lack of knowledge on and proper attention to the Vz. 58.

  • @richardmarkham8369
    @richardmarkham8369 8 місяців тому

    It would be interesting to know how RA aquires examples like this.

  • @stevedavenotcraig
    @stevedavenotcraig 9 місяців тому

    Love the 8-bit subscribe animation.

  • @derekp2674
    @derekp2674 9 місяців тому +4

    Thanks Jonathan and team. Is this the MP5K that we have at home?

  • @JoaoSoares-rs6ec
    @JoaoSoares-rs6ec 9 місяців тому

    i got a question for you Jonathan, is it possible for a break open weapon that can fire three difernt cartriges, like a shotgun round, one barrel, a 44 caliber another and a 22 caliber in another.

  • @scottrobinson3281
    @scottrobinson3281 9 місяців тому

    A bit reminiscent of the vz58, without the locking block.

  • @historysmith9597
    @historysmith9597 9 місяців тому +5

    Love the look very 80's sifi. Like something Stallone would use in Cobra or Demolition Man. Or water pistol my nephew might use at a pool party 🥳

    • @alexsetterington3142
      @alexsetterington3142 8 місяців тому +1

      Demolition Man was in 90s

    • @historysmith9597
      @historysmith9597 8 місяців тому +1

      @alexsetterington3142 1993 Somehow, that makes me feel older and sad 😔

  • @BeamMonsterZeus
    @BeamMonsterZeus 4 місяці тому

    Oh man, the weird period of late 90's-early 2000's where plastic was almost guaranteed to be as durable as a dissolving napkin. Drop it from a foot above the ground, and it shatters. Set it near a window, and it shatters. Sit on it, it shatters. Clean it, it shatters. Leave it in the car, it melts. Fire it rapidly, it melts. etc.

  • @HerraHidalgo
    @HerraHidalgo 9 місяців тому

    For an early April episode, could we see the Queen Elizabeth’s Pocket Pistol and it’s kin? I know artillery is not Jonathan’s forte, but seeing those old guns would fun.

  • @Micr0_Machin3
    @Micr0_Machin3 9 місяців тому +1

    Such a cool and odd lookin smg i just remeber been a young adult playing my xbox beating far cry 4 with the full size version

  • @thomasrandall6367
    @thomasrandall6367 8 місяців тому

    Both look cool af

  • @therezinUK
    @therezinUK 9 місяців тому +3

    What a neat looking gun. "Cyberpunk" is right, it looks like a very 1980s vision of the future. It wouldn't be out of place to see some street ganger wielding one in an old Judge Dredd strip.

  • @Fernando-kf4ez
    @Fernando-kf4ez 8 місяців тому

    Será possível chegar no Brasil?

  • @RyeOnHam
    @RyeOnHam 9 місяців тому

    Very reminiscent of the KG9.

  • @darkart6487
    @darkart6487 9 місяців тому +2

    I'm disappointed that you didn't show how the trigger and sear mechanism works.

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 9 місяців тому

      Showed enough to explain it.

    • @darkart6487
      @darkart6487 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@williestyle35 not to me (

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 9 місяців тому

      @@darkart6487 aww, okay

  • @toucanmasterx
    @toucanmasterx 9 місяців тому +3

    Why
    Didnt croatia offer these for export?
    Its such a cool gun

    • @jaspermooren5883
      @jaspermooren5883 9 місяців тому +4

      If you know anything about that region in this era you know that they were importing guns back then, not exporting them.

    • @toucanmasterx
      @toucanmasterx 9 місяців тому

      ​@@jaspermooren5883ik
      But i mean after the war
      When these failed to get adpoted by the croatian army

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@@toucanmasterx they tried. But only criminals were really interested.

  • @АндрейШмырев-ж3з
    @АндрейШмырев-ж3з 9 місяців тому +1

    Очень интересно...🧐

  • @MikeS10
    @MikeS10 9 місяців тому +1

    that's a cool ass gun

  • @thomasstewart1380
    @thomasstewart1380 9 місяців тому

    And here I thought it was another variation of the Nevxet. Darn.

    • @JordanFlayer
      @JordanFlayer 9 місяців тому

      They were both made by the same guy so you could make that argument :P

  • @Mr_T_Badger
    @Mr_T_Badger 8 місяців тому

    If you left the suppressor off and the barrel shroud on, then stuck a smaller magazine into it, you’d have something that looks not unlike the Lawgiver Mk II from Judge Dredd.

  • @rogerhudson9732
    @rogerhudson9732 7 місяців тому

    Was it the small or large one used in the Hoxton murder of a girl in a fast food shop?

  • @ironsightsmcgillycudy7753
    @ironsightsmcgillycudy7753 9 місяців тому

    Jonathan, I know it would probably be impossible but it would be hilarious if you could somehow take some of these historical pieces to compete in the Finnish or Lynx Brutality matches. The Royal Armories sending you as an official Liason would make people's day there lol

  • @SwedishMeatball09
    @SwedishMeatball09 9 місяців тому

    How much

  • @samholdsworth420
    @samholdsworth420 9 місяців тому +2

    Its a gun!

  • @stevemc6010
    @stevemc6010 9 місяців тому

    I wonder if there's a Croatian rapper named "Lil' Agram"

  • @heikkiaho6605
    @heikkiaho6605 9 місяців тому

    x for automatic is just asking for trouble 😬

  • @zoiders
    @zoiders 9 місяців тому +2

    The 2002 is clearly a "Tec 9" clone. They produced a variant with no barrel shroud.

  • @somefool4625
    @somefool4625 9 місяців тому +1

    Looks a bit like JatiMatic

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 9 місяців тому

      A bit, if you squint just right.

  • @marvindebot3264
    @marvindebot3264 9 місяців тому

    As a curator, it is my opinion that with cracks like those it's time to stop preserving and start conserving, a #80 drill is barely wider than those cracks but will stop them from spreading and spoiling this poor man's Skorpian.

  • @TheWarmotor
    @TheWarmotor 9 місяців тому

    That's actually pretty ingenious, split the bolt in two and add a striker spring to get a closed-bolt shot. Thank you Jonathon, you dapper mofo!

  • @MrMinuteman
    @MrMinuteman 9 місяців тому +1

    The only reason I have to go to the UK is the Royal Armories Museum and also meet Johnathon. I honestly prefer him over Ian (no hate to him)

  • @MrSpirit99
    @MrSpirit99 6 місяців тому

    Jagged Alliance 2

  • @andrewfranges7807
    @andrewfranges7807 9 місяців тому

    8:52-9:06 Getting a little too sexy in here.

  • @danpatterson8009
    @danpatterson8009 9 місяців тому

    Add a big scope and you've got standard U.N.C.L.E. issue.

  • @theritchie2173
    @theritchie2173 9 місяців тому +2

    No cake?

  • @jamesgreene6060
    @jamesgreene6060 9 місяців тому

    Has Jonathan seen what a guy has done with a p90 and a Thompson he has made on gun out of the two a pthompson

  • @radialrothary
    @radialrothary 9 місяців тому

    What cake is this based on?

  • @RonStochler-oz1qk
    @RonStochler-oz1qk 9 місяців тому

    The British Secret Service is in active communications and coordination with the Croatian government, much the same as during the previous Titoist Yugoslave regime. You having these weapons in your possession proves that.

  • @Willy_Tepes
    @Willy_Tepes 9 місяців тому

    It seems to be designed by someone who has "some" expertise, but not enough to do a good job.

    • @bunk95
      @bunk95 9 місяців тому

      Whats the purpose for the design? Did it continue human slavery through the waste of life and resource?

    • @Willy_Tepes
      @Willy_Tepes 9 місяців тому

      No, that is the job of government.@@bunk95

    • @Willy_Tepes
      @Willy_Tepes 9 місяців тому

      No, that is the government's job.@@bunk95

    • @Willy_Tepes
      @Willy_Tepes 9 місяців тому

      It seems that making fun of our rulers is forbidden, lol.@@bunk95

    • @Willy_Tepes
      @Willy_Tepes 9 місяців тому

      You'd be shocked at what they chose to delete.@@bunk95