EFAP #49 - "WHY THE LAST JEDI IS A LOVE LETTER TO STAR WARS" With JLB, Voxis, CJ, Metal and Jay
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2019
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TLJ is a love letter to Star Wars like the atomic bomb was a love letter to Hiroshima.
TLJ gives love a bad name
Christopher Das Nagasaki was twice the love.
Mr.Movie Mask Nagasaki is the Rise of Skywalker
🤣
So Nagasaki was sloppy seconds?
So Bob thinks that First Order's design is A) intentionally supposed to be lame and B) a calculated effort to mock longtime Star Wars fans? And...he thinks he's _defending_ The Last Jedi?
Never ask Bob what kind of weapon he thinks is ideal for home defense. He'd probably say 'suicide vest.'
It's a just a sleazy, pseudo-intellectual justification on Bob's part for the Sequel Trilogy's utter lack of creativity or vision.
"Don't you see, TLJ is just shitty fanfiction. Truly a love letter to all Star Wars fans." - Blabba the Hutt.
Admiralu Ackbar!
*explodes*
No, its the "bad" fans. Rey is the good one. The one that doesn't actually know shit of what she is a fan of -(fake geek girl)-
No, he'd chastise you for even thinking about defending yourself
Rey - "Oh Han Solo the smuggler?"
Rags - "Oh Charles Darwin the medicine school drop out?"
Person 1: Karl Marx? You mean the renowned drunkard who rarely bathed?
Person 2: No, the guy who invented Marxism.
@@Leatherbubba Good one.
Hitler, you mean the Austrian artist.
@@ivanthemadvandal8435 Hitler? The author?
@@GatorMilk *the failed artist
I love how Bob’s literal main point is “TLJ is a love letter to Star Wars fans, which is why the horrible evil people are meant to represent Star Wars fans”.
I love how Bob's idea of a Fan Love Letter is a movie that only acknowledges the old as a standard for the new to beat ("our stuff is better than the stuff you were a fan of"). Not to mention if you give someone a love letter that's not written in coherent English and makes jabs at them rather than unambiguous affection, they probably will be put off by it even if it was indeed a "love letter" instead of an insult.
In all fairness, isn’t he saying that both heroes and villains in this film represent the fandom, just two different aspects of it ?
@@nathanjora7627 Yes, but the point is that the evil people are the people he disagrees with, ie Kylo who to Bob represents the ‘old fans’ the old guard, the people who didn’t like the sequels. Rey represents the ‘new fans’ to Bob, she never does any wrong and she’s obviously right in the end even though she has no initial involvement or interest in the conflicts in the first place.
@@papershadow
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I swear, I can't stand the hypocrisy of the Sequel apologists that insist that anyone who disses the movies are automatically "nazis" or immature people... while they present their arguments like tribalistic manchildren.
Kinda reminds me of that infamous Richard Nixon quote, in their case it would be "We're just saying, it's not toxic and immature when _WE_ do it..."
"Wait, is this love letter made from human skin, and inked in blood?"Rian Johnson: "I was subverting your expectations!"
"You thought you were reading a love letter from your dear franchise? Surprise! It's a suicide note!"
Ed Gein made many love letters to many corpses.
Rian sent us the Necronomicon Ex-Mortis
Rian Johnson: (screams like a disgusting rotting evil dead thing)
Ash: Hey She Bitch!!! Let's go!!!
electricbayonet2 You expected a love letter from Johnathan! But it was me, Dio!
Everyday I thank my lucky stars that I am not Moviebob.
Yeah, talking sack of lard is a fairly miserable existence.
B-b-but Patrick Willems, movie genius, tells us that Movieblob is the only *real* critic on UA-cam!
Wonder if he will even be alive to see the ”last” movie. That obesity and diabetes will kill him sooner or later.
We must stay vigilant for any person no matter how non-retarded or non-lard like is only and echo chamber, 60 big macs and a bit of brain trauma away from becoming Bob like.
...Just look at that sentence, it's already happening to me!!
Nah see, you want to be moviebob, because then you can use his established audience to start making good content.
45:01 "Rey knows everything about the force and light sabers"
And just like that, you've lost me.
"loved your movie rian, big fan, i made a video on the meta narrative where you incorporated your subversive take on the star wars fandom. that was genius"
"the what? oh. oh yeah, i did that. totally. yeah. glad you spotted it, bob."
"Thank you, MovieBob, for spotting the hypothetical ludonarrative metaphorical subversion of the hyperrealism meta-sub-narrativical commentarism."
"You're genius knows not the limitations of mortal flesh, Rian Johnson, I worship thee."
ElectromagNick I love you guys.
"What the hell are you talking about? Who even are you three guys anyway?"
"That's not a Mary Sue, that's Gwenpool!"
Uh, Bob, Gwenpool is a literal writer self insert with omnipotence.
"omnipotence"... No
@@gliscaradu1424 We're both two years late but the word they're looking for is "omniscience"
Rosół jest zdrowy.
I smaczny.
Sometimes I poop
You know, MovieBob's video and JustWrite's video contradict each other and yet they claim to both defend the terrible movie...
Fact is neither of them care what the other thinks, so long as they both like and defend TLJ. It's the typical 'Ends Justify the Means' perspective common to people like them.
Do you think we could take both videos and chop them up so they destroy each other's argument? Would save time on critiquing TLJ defender videos if we could.
You would be surprised(or maybe not) how many criticism in Bob's "BvS is really that bad" can also be applied to TLJ("good intentioned don't justify bad execution" , "Snyder bent plot and logic to make a message")
At the end of the day, we're all the product of our own bias.
@@Hounlaiga So? Doesn't mean we have to let that come through in our assessments of a work.
47:00 Fangirl conversation. There were Titanic Fangirls who were shocked that the Titanic was a real ship that really sank.
Yeah but those are woman
@@Replica_Films2000 that's a sextism
So it takes at least 107 years for an event to be so old that it's fangirls don't realise the event actually happened.
Interesting.
@@pickle5666 to be fair I didn't know until I was 12
@@Replica_Films2000 But do we get to look at them?
"I would not be surprised if Rey, in the next film, physically flies"
oof
Technically she was levitating, but yeah she floating
Let's all raise a glass of 🦏🥛 in honor of Wolf!
#prayforwolf
#justiceforwolf
#istandwithwolf
#wolfisneverreallygone
🦏🥛
🦏 🥛
I’ll drink some wolf milk, thank you very much
#Donsoutforwolf
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Luke’s lecture about the Jedi only makes even a microgram of sense if you reference the Expanded Universe. Which is no longer canon. So his lecture literally CAN’T make sense in current Star Wars lore, because in current lore, the Jedi never gave off the impressions that they believed they owned the force, and they never made any mistakes outside of letting Palpatine rise, which they wouldn’t have done if he hadn’t been clouding their ability to see who he actually was, which they explicitly state in the prequels.
Spencer Whiteway Failney Screw themselves over by decannonizing the Expanded Universe. Then Ruin Jondis decides to keep everything as though it’s all the same as before. It might make sense but there’s no good transition between his ideology in Episode VI and Episode VIII.
That tangent was really cool and profound... when it was delivered by Kreia in Knights of the Old Republic II. Only it made sense for Kreia and the Exile to have that conveersation.
Spencer Whiteway im just pretending Disney SW doesnt exist and the EU is canon
A friend of mine argued that in the Prequels the Jedi acted like they owned the Force "through their actions", which still felt very weak and reaching and it works only if you have in mind EU stuff that is no longer considered canon.
Then again, he's sadly still in the crowd of people that say "The Jedi KIDNAP children to make them soldiers!!!" even though there's not a shred of evidence and there's lot of ways you can gain custody of a child legally.
Stop fucking acting like the Jedi are the First Order, THEY actually kidnap and brainwash children.
...how can they have written Rey like she didn't know about the Empire and Rebellion.....her house is an AT-AT walker..she eats dinner wearing a Rebel helmet..her job and sole means of feeding herself is salvaging parts from Imperial battleships.....just every bit of the writing screams that the writers didn't care.
I'd argue that an orphan can live in the wreck of say a ww2 tank and not know about the war itself...maybe...if she didn't live within a day's walk of a population centre that would constantly talk about it...It's so half-assed! If she was more isolated sure but then the lazy morons would have to work to get her off-planet so "nyeh, lots of people and ships just hanging around for her to use as she sees fit"...absolute shit writing
She knew what the Milennium Falcon was and who Han Solo is.
@@wheeliebin18 yes, the writing is all over. If anyone knows who Han is, they know who Luke is. If there's some convoluted fanfic out there that explains why, that doesn't help unless it's stated in the flick
"So you're saying all these crashed ships are here because the Imperial military had a fight with a myth and lost?"
"Yeah, it was the weirdest thing. And a Death Star got blowed up."
"Wow, I bet the ship that did that would be legendary. Like the Millenium Falcon, which made the Kessel Run in less than five parsecs and isn't that ship parked right over there."
"That's oddly specific, Rey."
"We as human beings, by our very nature, see in the first person, naturally"
- Wisdom of Dadald, Fourth Volume of the EFAPticon
Yes.
1:03:40
So he is basically literally saying that Rey is nothing more than a self-insert fanboy character in a bizarre fan fiction land.
Brilliant 👍
@@thecarsul _ReyRey's Fantastic Adventure: or, How I Became Grandmaster of the Jedi Order_ by A teenage girl wanting a power fantasy after her boyfriend dumped her. Or something like that.
Alternate take on Bob's meta-narrative idea. Kylo is the old fans and Rey is the "wider-audience."
Think about it, Kylo is not happy with things and initially wants a return to the good old days of the Empire(the OT). Over the course of the movie he becomes disillusioned with things and decides to just burn it all to the ground and make something new(fans being done with the franchise).
Rey on the other hand has no attachments to any character or organization(the wider-audience doesn't have an investment in the story or history). Rey joins the Resistance/Rebels because they're the good guys not because of any deeply held reason(the wide-audience is aware that the Empire was bad and the Rebels were the good guys). Does Rey know what she's going to do next? Does she care? The answer is no to both, because neither she nor the wider-audience are invested in the story.
Clearly Rian Johnson is such a visionary that he is a precog and made TLJ about the reactions the movie would evoke.
Nah he’s just a weiner
That's a decent Freshman English comp thesis, actually. Course, it's not really seeing into the future when Rian is the one steering it.
Movie Bob is a wider audience. And I can make that joke as a fellow Fatman. I get the Fatman pass.
Because a kid winning a pod race and gungans were not trying to appeal to a wider audience?
@skrv If he's a precog, then clearly we must drug Rian Johnson and stick him in a pool of milk.
The path to watching a moviebob video is so powerful some consider to be *SUICIDAL*
Is there a way to unwatch moviebobs video?
Not without bleach.
@@deadrebelstorage779
Not from what I've heard off
Dead Rebel Storage “Not from a *jedi.*
@@deadrebelstorage779 Well, theoretically if i were to precisely drill into the exact places where your brain has stored the video should do the trick. I wouldn't recommend it, though.
1:36:55 Voxis: _"I will not be surprised if Rey in the next film physically flies . . . "_
She flies now!
She flies now?
@@bigkmoviesandgames She flies now...
Obviously not mainline, but the LEGO Star Wars Christmas animation unironically also has her traveling through time to a bunch important events throughout the whole saga in order to train Finn in the force. Nothing is real anymore.
I once got a love letter like that, now I'm in the witness protection program.
Yes.
For those curious about the time-travel in SW: Rebels, it goes something like this: At the end of season 1, Ashoka, the Padawan of Anakin from The Clone Wars series returns as a main character. At the end of the second season, Darth Vader corners her in a collapsing Sith temple with some fancy murals, and she is presumed dead. Then, near the finale of the fourth season, it turns out that the Emperor is looking for these ancient murals left behind by ancient Jedi and Sith (and gray Jedi, I think), which depict the anthropomorphic embodiments of the Force, the Dark Side and the Light Side. Yes, this is canonical, don't roll your eyes just yet.
So, as it turns out, these murals are actually portals that open into this weird space-between-spaces dimension, and the alleged protagonist of Rebels, Ezra, enters there. Then the Emperor uses ancient Sith alchemy (yes, I shit you not, this is still canon) to force his way in there, and in the process of escaping from him, Ezra stumbles upon another portal that led to the sith temple from season two, and he sees the climax of the duel between Ashoka and Vader, and just as she was about to be killed, Ezra reaches through the portal to save her.
So, in short: there is time travel in the SW universe, the emperor was actively researching it, and he is apparently going to play a prominent role in the next episode. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
With poorly planned time travel, no one's every really gone.
Time travel is the ultimate bullshit gimmick.
Episode 9 is going to be magical at this rate.
Thank God there's no time travel in Legends
And then she goes back because it's bad enough that he f*cked with the natural order of things, she can't stay out of her own time.
Yeah, time travel isn't a good plot device, unless time travel is the basis for the entire story to start with.
Thanks Bob, good to know Rey is representative of a Star Wars fan and as we all know, Star Wars fans always do everything right. Shove it IHE.
@Enclave Soldier IHE is the big gay
He's not wrong - he's just not making the point he thinks he's making. Rey being representative of SW fans requires she be a Millennial fanfic writer who has no experience with long form narrative and instead treats it like a video game.
@@GoblinKnightLeo But IHE said that "Nobody hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans". IHE and Bob can't be both right! Either Rey is a member of the Toxic Brood or Bob is talking out of his ass.
@@Edax_Royeaux Por que ne los dos?
@@GoblinKnightLeo 2 people who like TLJ disagree with each other on the movie? NEVER
Seriously, Moviebob? You think that it is "a love letter to Star Wars"?
No, a "love letter" doesn't take the central weapon/icon of Star Wars (the lightsaber), casually throw it away like a piece of trash, force the GREATEST HERO IN THE HISTORY OF THE GALAXY to call it a "laser sword" in a mocking/derogatory tone, and treat established characters as little more than ragdolls for some psychic slapstick 'comedy'.
How many Star Trek "love letters" treat the phaser or Captain James T. Kirk that badly? How many Doctor Who "love letters" deride the sonic screwdriver and The Doctor?
Right now, I feel the same way as Metal's stream profile picture.
About on par with the love letters I get....
nadrewod999 I mean, if you look at it from the lens of Star Wars as an abusive SO, then yeah, it’s *totally* a love letter!
“Listen baby, I swear I didn’t _want_ to smash your car engine with a sledgehammer, okay? But you just made me so angry with how you called me ‘Mary Sue’ I just... I went a little crazy, alright? You know I don’t like it when you do that, so when you think about it logically? It’s really _your_ fault I destroyed your stupid, old car. But I forgive you; just *don’t do it again* and everything will be fine!”
keep in mind, that wasn't just some light saber. it was his father's light saber. it was anakin skywalker's light saber. you know, the man who luke risked his life and very soul to save and redeem from the dark side? the man who everyone, including vader himself, thought was a lost cause and that luke believed was redeemable?
he's just gonna throw that away like it means nothing? but then again, this whole trilogy is about destroying the past to make way for the future.
@@maxacorn Except it can't help but drudge the past up and parade it around like a corpse on a marionette string; The Millennium Falcon has been in 3 out of 4 of these films, pretty much exclusively because "It's Star Wars," we have a film that focuses exclusively on the Death Star, and another with a Death Star that's at least... three times bigger than that (kudos for those of you who get that double-reference) we have TIE fighters galore, X-wings all over the place, Star Destroyers out the Wazoo, freaking Yoda, trailers and little animated shorts that keep trying desperately to tie in this new garbage with the original trilogy...
"Let the Past die. Kill it if you have to." That's one of the major bloody themes of The Last Jedi, and yet Disney and even Rian Johnson seem to keep wanting to remind us of the Original Trilogy every chance they get, except they kept doing it worse. At least when Lucas referenced his own work with the Prequels it was done in an attempt to make a sort of... In-universe meta story, like how old stories like Beowulf and the Greek Myths have echoes and imprints on newer ones. Lucas was never this lazy or opportunistic. He COULD have had X-wings and TIE Fighters and the Millennium Falcon in the Prequels, if he wanted. But he chose to try and divorce Star Wars from static imagery like that.
You haven't seen Star Trek Discovery, huh?
Fucking don't, you lucky duck.
Rey ain't a fangirl of the force or the jedi. If there ever was a fanboy/girl of force and jedi, it's Chirrut Îmwe from Rogue One.
I am the force the force is with me. I am the force the force is with me. I am the force the force is with me. I am the force the force is with me.
Wasn't he a Jedi Temple guard or something and that's why he is so cool?
I doubt Wolf will ever see this, but I want to tell him thank you for making me laugh when I so desperately needed a good laugh. Let's all raise a slice of pizza in a toast for Wolf, you're going to be missed.
Whenever i hear wolf is getting pizza, i do too.
From now on, i will eat pizza in wolfs honor. I love that guy and I'll miss him alot.
I will use his cloaca as my personal fleshlight.
🍕🥛
wait wait wait..i've got a lot of Efaps to catch up on..what's happened with Wolf?..i swear he was in the recent Efap mini
Yeah, it sucks. Wolf's videos were some of the best of their type on UA-cam. His talent is impressive.
"WHY THE LAST JEDI IS A LOVE LETTER TO STAR WARS"
I swear people are making these types of videos now just to see if Mauler and co. make an EFAP episode out of it.
Yea I see no way someone actually believe this.
@@cappadocius9379 from what i've seen from Bob, i believe he believes in it.
@@ironaikau8236 it is movie bob after all
Well... Movie Bob believes in eugenics, un-ironically.
Ironically, he would considered as a plant by their standard.
WHY THE LAST JEDI IS A CINEMATIC MASTERPIECE AND THE BEST THING EVER MADE !!!!!!
"metaphorical stand-ins for Star Wars fans"
I don't think this means what MovieBob thinks it means - because that makes Kylo Ren the existing fanbase who understands and appreciates the past (if at times a little too much) and Rey really is a Mary Sue created by the *new* fanbase who neither know nor care what the universe rules are and just want to mess around like they're in a MMORPG.
That's the problem with those pesky metaphors; they usually cut both ways.
“What’s a 9/11?”
- MovieBob in 2031
Isn't that the thing that is comparable to Super Mario 3 first being shown in The Wizard?
Even if Bob were right about all his meta narrative bullshit, the idea that when presented with the opportunity to tell a magnificent story about warring space wizards, with a guaranteed audience and a huge budget and access to the best craftsmen in the movie making business, one would choose instead to write a metaphor for fandom, hardly makes the sequel creators look like good storytellers, nor does it make them look like a good fit for the franchise, so Bobs argument isn't just wrong, it's also self-defeating.
Tonald: seasons, they come and go..... some are better than others....
*THIS IS WERE THE FUN BEGINS*
59:00 at this point I'd point out that Luke's skills are reinforced by his buddy, Wedge, vouching for him. He literally says he's the best bush pilot he knows. Also like knows his own skills he says to han in the cantina "I'm not such a bad pilot, myself"
People who say Luke is unrealistically good at piloting aren't paying attention to the new hope movie and are filling in blanks for the new trilogy.
Biggs said it, not Wedge. Otherwise, you're right.
Not to mention he had to be saved multiple times in the Battle of Yavin
Luke was also applying for the Imperial academy, as did many of his friends, and his father was "the best star pilot in the galaxy."
@@Jay-ln1co Were there any EU materials showing how the Rebels recruited people out of the Empire? There had to be some sort of network or system in place for getting Rebel sympathizers out to fight for the Rebellion
It can still be seen as contentious how well luke flew his fighter just because he was in a tense battle and only really home trained.
Even with that said that is one skill that was set up through his back story. Rey flew the falcon through expert maneuvers, quickly learned force abilities, fought with a lightsaber, and so on. She only really have grounds for is tech repair because she was raised scavenging them. It was oblivious jj wanted a backstory review but even then she should have had more character development that tells us more how she thinks then what she can do.
Just for the record, Remarkable Republican has declared his willingness to debate you (see EFAP #48's comment section).
i would love that!
Now that sounds fun.
*gets popcorn ready*
If we could get Remarkable Republican and Maj0rLee in the same stream ...
🤞🏼
*Something has awakened*
One HUGE difference between King Arthur and Last Jedi Luke: at least Arthur sacrificed himself to kill his evil nephew (in a badass way mind you).
Wait i though that king aurthur killed his evil son who was born when his half sister morgan raped him while he was drunk
Adriano Ippolito Yeah.
What part of « nephew » (ie : son of someone’s sister) did you not get ?
Funnily enough there are versions where he absolutely wasn’t raped (unlike Lancelot) but where he just did it with her because she was hot... despite having been just engaged/married with Guinevere.
Technically he didn’t even kill himself.
Pretty much all of his knights though ^^
Making us look at Movie Bob's face so often is a cruel and unusual punishment Mr Mooler......provide part 3 of the TFA review as reparations.
Rain Good news; we got both as of now
Movie Bob looks like a human Bubble Bass 🤣😭😂
@@Bopperann We serve FOOD here, sir.
"Hey everyone! Let's take a shot every time he says metanarrative!"
[12 seconds later]
[entire room is dead and smells like a distillery]
"This... Is my favorite part"- Smelly Knee Grow, 2019
Do all knee growths smell?
Fran Madaraki Of course it was his favorite part...it was in the middle.
WELL THATS JUST YOUR OPINION
"Sakubona, Dr. Rabbit. Will you teach me have a bright smiles too?" -Also Smelly Knee Grow, 2007
Why are we still talking about TLJ, didnt you hear Spiderman: Far from home has already been EFAPed
Why are we talking about Star Wars? Spider-Man is never coming out!
@@CatNerfer3000 sipder ma'am i guess
@@10MLaw we get to look at spider women? -Bilbo Baggies
I like how Moviebob brags how he went to film school but he still cant edit for shit.
Also is Bob's argument "King Arthur died for our sins."
His border is laughable, and the face inserts are so unnerving.
To inform Mauler and the others though I doubt they’ll even see this comment Grand Admiral Thrawn is now canon. His end however is greatly ruined by the new canon
How so?
Thrawn is canon, the Thrawn trilogy is not.
I honestly wish I could see an extended cut or something of the Hyperspace scene that shows Thrawn at the helm of one of the Escort Star Destroyers, BTFO’d by Captain Munch’s stupid Hyperspace Suicide Vest, followed by Rian Johnson holding up a little sign that says “Your Thrawn trilogy sucks.”
The space whales that took Thrawn away are a commentary on late stage capitalism and anti intellectualismtism.
It was the intentionality of the piece, in my opinion
We have no idea if Thrawn survived Rebels finale or not. So hopefully we'll see him again later on.
As bad as Blob’s videos are, his Twitter has worse takes.
Lancer Ace - Wow, adding an L to “Bob” to make it “Blob”, which is a fat joke. How very fucking clever, no one has ever fucking thought of that one before.
@@Markunator If the shoe fits, it fits. Let's not forget that Bob are himself into diabetes.
Tronathon242 - “Bob are himself into diabetes”, and you am yourself onto talking English bad.
@@Markunator I blame the auto-correct. It was supposed to be "ate." The point still stands.
Tronathon242 - Mocking someone for having diabetes is an incredibly shitty, near-sociopathic thing to do.
Oh, and it also ISN’T A FUCKING ARGUMENT.
I feel Bob Chipman owes Anna an apology for his terrible misrepresentation of her
If movie bob did as much gymnastics with his body as he does with his reasoning he would be an Olympic champion
I just can't believe Jared Genesis made a "Age is just a number" video!
TLJ was a love letter to postmodernists and nihilism
You can like postmodernist ideas and still recognise that the TLJ is of very poor quality.
@@peterjoyfilms *is something of a nihilistic person* HEY!!!!!! I happen to hate this movie too!
Aharkhan I’m sorry, did you use the “Q” word to describe a film? That’s a micro aggression around these parts: Artistic endeavors don’t *have* standards of quality. Everything is good, nothing is bad, and if you don’t like it, then you’re watching movies wrong, you filthy centrist puppy.
@@Adorni 😂😂
@JoeRingo118 It was a propaganda film and the industry is dying because it's nearly all propaganda now. Same stories, same morals, same perspectives, pushing the same narrative. It's sad.
Imagine someone living in a hulk of a Tiger tank, selling scrap from crashed Lancasters circa 1975 being totally surprised that there there was a world war between Allies and Axis.
That's my idea of a WW2 "fan".
I wonder how many people unironically trust bob... I could check his patreon, but I'm too afraid of the truth
I started watching Bob when the MCU was first starting up, because he helped explain all the easter eggs and Infinity Stones business to me. Politically, I'm somewhat left of center, so I kind of agree with some of his points, but when he goes too far off the beaten path, I go, "Uhhh..."
He does know his stuff sometimes, like his video on the history of propaganda, but he acts as if he knows his stuff _all_ the time, which is just no way to live.
1,111 as of February 2022.
@@MrDarthtelos that is way too much
I've been going back in the archives to watch these older episodes... My god, you guys were so innocent... So optimistic about the state of the MCU. Look at us now, 2023.
I though the same xD
"The forced order" is the best burn of the 1st order I've ever heard.
"Anything is buttplug shaped if you have enough courage" - Mauler 2019
4:45:45
I love how Bob technically just supported Rey being a Marry sue, because Marry sue literally means a self insert fan girl that's just good at everything.
I used to like Bob, I trusted his opinion, his early review was the only one I listened to before going to see the last Jedi. I will never trust bob again. He is a fool.
He was somewhat sane back in the days before gamergate and when he just talked about obscure shit like Godzilla spinoffs, then he went off the fucking deep end, either that or he was always insane and it just didn't bleed through until gamergate
@@thewaterguy17
Even back in the day he would go off on strange tangents. Like the fact that in a Halo promo video they injected a kid with a serum and his eyes turned blue so Bob went off on how they were using NAZI imagery.
@@ivanthemadvandal8435 he also said he didn't like how e bad guys in halo were made of a divorce group even though he said himself the only reason they were divorced is because its is made up from slaves.
It’s really friggin ridiculous too Moviebob is a guy that excellently broke down Batman V Superman Dawn of justice.
And none of that logic went into The Last Jedi.
But the same can be said with Justwrite with The Hobbit movies, and the The Last Jedi.
Unreal.
@@thewaterguy17 He was always like this. Just read his book.
I know he's clearly demonstrated it in this vid but I'm going to say it anyway: Bob is an idiot.
Bob clearly hasn't read the original run of Gwenpool. In no way are she and Rey alike. Unlike Rey, Gwen is well versed in marvel comics knowledge and knows that she's in a comic. Rey knows hardly anything about the Jedi, Sith or Luke. She believes they're a myth.
Gwen's knowledge of comic book characters does not give her any powers or abilities. When she does get an ability it's because of her knowledge that she's in a book, not because of her Marvel encyclopedia. Gwen doesn't even gain the ability easily, she has to work at it and learn how to manipulate the 4th wall. Rey, on the other hand, gets instant access to every power and skill the plot requires merely from rumors and myth's she's heard, without practice. By no means are they the same. Gwen is a far better-written character.
*M E T A N A R R AT I V E*
A D J A C E N T
*G E N U I N E S U P E R R E A D E R*
Bob's attempt to justify bad writing and awful decisions in part of the script writers and directors seem to be the standard of TLJ defenders.
Always defend something that is not even in the damn film
Maybe.
Like good writing?
The true Jedi didn't think they owned the force. They served the will of the force. Sith bent the force to their own wills.
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Voxis is awesome! I hope to see him more in EFAP.
I agree 100%
This video in a nutshell:
Bob says "metanarative" or something that makes no sense whatsoever, and everyone laughs at him.
I can buy that TLJ is a love letter to Star Wars. Y'know, like the love letters that lonely, desperate weirdos send to incarcerated serial killers.
"In BOB we trust"
Sure we do. Whatever Bob says, we do the opposite.
New EFAP, awesome ! Some new actual real genuine original true content out there to listen at ! thanks !
I dunno if it's just because of who I'm subbed to but I've noticed that the UA-cam content I usually consume has become more bland in the last few month over all of the genres I watch. So this made me happy as you can always rely on Mauler and crew
I like how the common defense of Kylo losing to Rey in TFA's lightsaber duel is that he was wounded by Chewbacca. Even though throughout the fight, Kylo purposely punches his wound to make himself angrier, thus stronger, because Sith...
Rag's: How come its never MauLer who has to leave?
MewbshLie: A good question... For another time.
it's interesting how much more watchable a movie bob video is when you make it half speed
Playing Moviebob at half speed does only one thing: It turns ten minutes' worth of stupid, incoherent rambling into twenty minutes' worth of stupid, incoherent rambling. I'll pass.
24:40 That face makes me think someone opened a chip packet near bob
"May the meta narrative be your sword under the heavens." -Sun Tzu
"Everything rises and falls..."
- MauLer on Marvel in 2019
4 years later and the man himself was right on the money 😂😂😂
People who can criticize men in general but can't criticize women in general are the same sort of people who like TLJ. I dunno why these correlate but twitter keeps proving it.
A note for Ragseseses
Flying the flag upside down is a signal of distress. UNLESS you're not actually in distress, in which case it's considered an insult to the country.
and here i was about to go watch some previous EFAP and my subbox just gives me a new one! Thank you!
There I was, watching EFAP, when another episode entered my sub box. Now I'm a longman. I didn't ask for this, I didn't want this, but there it is.
Everytime Mauler and Rags show their guest a Bob video all I have hear is Anakin going, "anakin you brought him here to kill me"
Bob at half speed, and I still don't understand him.
Bob is bullshit
Because once you strip the used car salseman fast talk, he's not saying anything with substance to be understood.
I just realized the start of this stream is really just the middle
In canon the T-16 sky hopper (which Luke has stated to have flown multiple times) has similar controls to the xwing. Just wanted to share.
I believe the rebels also used the sky hopper as a pilot training ship.
@@Cloud_Seeker yes, it gets brought up a bit more in the eu though, but yes the rebels used the skyhoppers as training vehicles for xwing pilots. The point I was getting at is Luke taking to an xwing so well was because the controls were something he already was familiar with but also was considered a damn good pilot by his peers (his comments regarding how he use to shoot up whomp rats in his skyhopper also suggests hes a crackshot, whether he was unconsciously channeling the force or not)
They're also made by the same company.
I love coming back to this stream it's fantastic :D
I love it when you guys make fun of Movie Bob. He's a real jerk.
You played Tonald at normal speed.
Normal Speedald?
Regardless, I am offended.
What are you, gay?
Normald
@@chrisscott3071 I like how normal Tonald becomes 'Normald' and not just 'Tonald' .
Normal Tonald should be called Fast Slownald
Uhhhh I believe the politically correct term is “Apex Human” as stated by Bilbo Raggins
hobo doggins
Thanks for covering this video. I didn't want to give Bobby the watch minutes.
“Why The Last Jedi is a Love Letter to Star Wars Fans” by MovieBob
EFAP: Aw shit, here we go again...
Moviebob got it wrong, Luke Skywalker is obviously based on Frodo Baggins:
- Is curious about the world outside of his home
- Get's involved in the greater conflict, because of his ancestry
- Learns from a wise, old mentor
- Is the only one able to make the journey
- Isn't really well prepared for this journey
- His friends are integral to his success
The scene were Han Solo comes back and saves Luke during the trench run,
That's exactly like the part were Sam comes back and saves Frodo from Gollum.
It's not really hard to construct an argument like that.
Movie Bob talks like an auctioneer.
More like a cauctioneer... huh? Huh? You get it later.
Brother.
Get the flamer.
The heavy flamer.
Fuck that get a multi-melta for this shit.
Make sure it’s a red one.
They burn fastah.
Anyone hear what Jared’s been up to?
Jesus what a wreck
What happened?
What happened?
@@michaeldorsey9231 Jared admitted he would date kids that are 8 years old on his stream
...eeewwwww. X(
He’s a kid toucher
53:40 I'm re-watching most of the older EFAPs, and the discussion about Mary Sues caught my attention.
The thing is, Bob is not strictly wrong about saying that the term "Mary Sue" is for self inserts, because it is just one of the many types categorized under the "Sue archetype".
For example, Mary Sue/Gary Stu is the self insert version of the character type. If said character is an impossibly perfect and competent canonical character (such as Rey), it is usually referred to as a "Canon Sue", while if it's an antagonist who always outwits everyone, more powerful than the heroes combined, and practically never suffers any setbacks, it is a "Villain Sue", etc.
In short, he is technically correct, but at the end of the day, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, it is still going to be a duck whether you can correctly identify it as a Mallard or not.
I have yet to run into a pro-sequel trilogy argument that hasn't included the person shitting all over the OT.
Comparing sticks to lightsabers is insane. The lightsaber is IN UNIVERSE a weapon that only super trained Jedi are any good at.
Yeah, I didn't get that argument. In the real world, there is a clear difference between wielding a stave and wielding a sword. But we don't know how different the two spaceships' controls are. They could be nearly identical. What a strange comparison.
2:37:00 "Anthem was supposed to get me through this hellhole of a season" - Tonald, August 2019.
Someone should probably check on Tonald right about now, cause I think this summer puts last year to shame on that front.
Yahtzee is the reason I subbed to Escapist, Bob is why I unsubbed. I wish Yahtzee had his own channel. Save his playlist and you'll still know when he uploads.
1:36:58 she does fly in The Rise Of Skywalker
I just cant get over JLongbone's Discord PFP. So great with this stream.
Longbone and Longman in the same stream for a second time? Clearly they are going to get married and have Longkids.
I ship it
There's a lot of problems with Movie Bob's points, but his excuse of Rey being effective with a Lightsaber because she happens to be good with her stick is NOT equivalent to Luke being effective flying multiple things. Luke is basically using skill/life-long experience flying/driving similarly-controlled (by the dialogue in the OT) vehicles to another vehicle. Whereas Rey has some experience with a specific type melee weapon, but zero experience with this other melee weapon which handles completely differently, and is now expected to win in close quarters combat against someone who is an EXPERT in that weapon, highly trained, and is trying to KILL HER. If movie Bob things that's any way the same, holy shit...
Not to mention Rey's "expertise" is in fighting off thugs in the backwater junk heap of the galaxy. Figuring out how to bludgeon someone with a stick for self defense isn't the same thing as being proficient with a quarterstaff. You see someone who is properly trainex with a quarterstaff and has the sparring experience to back it up against someone who is self-taught over years, they're not even close. 4-to-1, the expert wipes the floor with them.
"Anakin and Luke are just as much Mary Sues as Rey!"
...I don't remember Anakin and Luke being able to fucking use the mind trick spontaneously and held a lightsaber and kick the ass of the bad guy IN THEIR FIRST MOVIE.
I wonder if Rey apologists would still disagree that she's a sue if this WASN'T named Star Wars and so they just saw this girl who constantly asspulls powers that help her service the plot.
Mundus tristis est locus...
Finem habet...
Tenebrae salus.
Bob Chipman and his Stand, [A B C], strike again!
Oh my God! I just thought of something after hearing our dear gentleman puppet at 1:37:00. He says he wouldn't be surprised if Rey time travels in the next one/episode 9. What if, in the next one, Rey travels back in time and kills Palpatine before he can form the Empire, retconning the whole thing out of existence?! I can totally see Disney doing some major bullshit like that!
Ben red letter media talked about that already , if they do that they’re gonna have a massive shit storm on them
If his perspective is correct, then he is actually reinforcing the idea that they killed StarWars' appeal to the original fans to instead appeal to a new audience lol.
1:03:02 seriously though, Bob shows us the problems with fan culture going to far. Thinking that being an passive fan of something actually makes you a part of that which you are a fan of, without putting in any work. Being a fan of wresteling does not make you a pro, being a fan of gymnastics does not make you an olympic gymnast and being a fan of star wars does not make you a fucking Jedi. But that is exactly the problem. The passive fan who puts no effort into bettering themselves in real life thinks that simply being a fan of something can impart the qualities of that thing onto themselves without them needing to actually work for it in real life. The fact that Bob sees himself, the good Star Wars fan, in Ray shows that A) she is a self insert for people like Bob. And B) that the self-image of people like Bob (pathetic excessive fanboys) is really unhealthy, believing that they can attain greatness by merely consuming.
Ah its finally up you absolute mad lad
How can Movie Robert talk so much while saying so little?
You used the long form of his name now he will ramble twice as fast saying 3x as much. Do not do it again!
It's called a word salad. Probably the only salad that can be in his mouth.