Hey all, thanks for watching! I'm super happy to return to the strategy genre, and hope to continue highlighting great strategic / tactical moments in the future. Feel free to let me know some of your favorite scenes that you'd like to see broken down either individually or in clusters like this.
Great job with this showcase. Do Kaiji: Ultimate Survivor and detail the mental breakdown of the most impactful moments of each arc. Each arc has these moments that are completely mind-boggling but full of strategic moments. Many topics you bring up in this video are just icing on the cake in Kaiji. This show deserves so much more attention and could see a 3rd season if the spinoff does well this season.
Pretty much the entirety of Girls und Panzer would be great to see covered like this! Specifically the match with Kuromorimine in the last few episodes - the plan there is very interesting and I like how the individual teams have their personalities and quirks integrated into it.
Rule 1: Information R 1a: All relevant information the strategy is created under must be given or inferable. R 1b: If the strategist is not the POV character, any and all information may be withheld. Rule 2: Objective R 2a: An objective must be stated, regardless if it is the true objective. R 2b: Motivations do not need to be stated or match the stated objective. Rule 3: Luck R 3: Luck needs to be acknowledged.
I'd add that loss makes a winning strategy all the more satisfying. Nothing is better than a plan coming together, but if it ALWAYS comes together, we're much less inclined to be impressed. Part of the reason L is such a cool character, is that he is allowed to be legitimately smarter than Light regardless of the fact that all the disadvantages. His death makes him so much cooler because Light had to essentially cheat in order to win. Really like the video!
Whether L was at an unfair disadvantage was never really something the show stated so it's fair to say it wasn't treating Light's moves as cheating. In fact, whether L actually was at a disadvantage is debatable and I'd argue that L actually had an advantage over Light.
Yugioh even acknowledged joeys luck in S5 Grand Prix arc, where he makes a 1 in 3 bet with the entire match, win or lose, on the line. And he just fails. He loses and is out of the tournament. Also technically yugi has an excuse for his heart of the cards BS, it is canon that he can use ancient Egyptian shadow magic to control which card he will draw next. So he’s just cheating.
I would say Kaiji: ultimate survivor is a better example of luck and strategy. (This is not a spoiler cause this show is literally a roller coaster.) This show breaks down the mind of gamblers and has actual weight to the stakes. The value of money is meaningless to the host but is everything to the gambler. The strategies are built on the fly but provide a huge advantage over the other players. In the latter half, Kaiji knows he is going to lose but keeps playing hoping for a miracle. He even breaks and begs to walk away. Soon, plans they laid out finally start to show results and literally breaks the luck aspect making the impossible to win game turn in to a guaranteed win. Kaiji s1 and s2 shows how luck can be a factor but goes to the lengths of saying that only idiots rely on luck. They even say "Never gamble unless you know you are going to win."
I was wondering do you think that maybe a strategy show like death note or code geass is different than how a strategy on like hunter x hunter is done? Like for sure they share a lot of the similar rules but a show like naruto has to balance the exposition of the plan with the actual action of the scene and I personally think that it changes the game just a little bit
Code Geass hype! Also, dat pot shot at TLJ ^^ I would just include in Mao Vs Letuce Lambsauce, Mao was totally focused on reading Lelouce (and reveling in his pain) and didnt detect Suzaku coz he had no idea he was on the board. What could be used more in anime (or any show) is having a superior main character losing because the bad guy got lucky.
I would add to the luck rule that if a lot of plans the planner makes rely on luck then they should be punished for it every once in a while. Too often MC's will have godlike luck and always draw the right card at the right time, but it feels cheap if it keeps happening. Having the luck fall the wrong way every once in a while is a great way to both raise the stakes and to make future plans that rely on luck feel like actual gambles.
That's why Code Geass, Death Note and Legend Of The Galactic Heores are good show, because they don't rely on dumb shit luck for protagonists brilliance.
@@shubham2076 not really I guess u could say the geass, but lelouch is at a huge disadvantage a lot of times, Britannia is a much bigger army than a few black knights/untrained terrorists that were present in the beginning
Thank you for those two videos ! I am working on a manga with some scenes being military battles, and this helped me a lot ! I'm going to work on my battleplan scenes with this in mind :)
The Heart of the Cards, as explained to me, turned out at the end of Yugioh to be the Millenium Puzzle's power. It basically augmented odds in favor of the holder. Whatever card Yugi needed would be placed at the top at the right time. Not sure how accurate that is, but I thought that was stupidly brilliant.
There isn’t a heart of the cards in the original Never understood why that got added, cause most of the time Yugi draws and he goes “this is useless” lmao
I wonder how you feel about the second arc of Death Note. I always loved the first section but felt that the second part fell flat on the "Acknowledge luck" section. That being said, I watched the shows years ago so my memory might be fuzzy :)
At the end the second half of DN was forced upon needing to continue the manga in the magazine. The duo later work Bakuman has a really neat way of exposing that topic.
(I'm going off the manga here since its second half is far superior.) In the second part, there were far fewer instances of characters getting lucky compared to the first part. There were three instances, and all three of them were instances which favoured Light, which were... 1. Mikami ending up being extremely intelligent and someone who takes initiative. 2. Mikami electing Takada, someone Light knew, as his spokesperson 3. Mikami figuring out Takada was in contact with the real Kira even though his deduction was relatively flawed and there were other factors to consider. I guess they failed to acknowledge the luck aspect of 1, but ultimately I wouldn't say it's too convenient as Light could've just controlled Mikami to mail the Death Note to someone else. They acknowledged 2 many, many, many times. They didn't acknowledge 3, but it does say something about Mikami's character, even if it wasn't bluntly stated how.
Loved the first episode (not sure if you remember me from commenting my love of that video and its subjects). This also good, and yet again I agree that more people should watch Alderamin on the Sky. Seriously, I want a season two of that sooo bad.
I don't remember that specific comment, but I definitely remember talking about the Hyouka dub with you in the past - thanks for sticking with us, and glad you enjoyed!
5;31 the interesting about that is that lot of people missed that refrence in the very begining of the entire show that explains that tran shipment bit in episode 2 So with Lelushes deductive reasoning he might use this event to erace a valuable part of his past as to how he got that shipment of nightmares to begin with , Good plot for amovie
Honestly I was surprised there wasn't a single example of HxH used. It felt like almost everything involved strategy in that show, and there was even a moment where Killua was just trying to figure out why someone sounds/feels like they're lying with the very limited knowledge he had. Hope you make a video about HxH, probably about strategy or mystery in the future.
After watching both of your strategy videos back to back, I would love to hear your opinion on crime shows where the pieces have to be put together, just like your subsection b description, but shows can fall flat because sometimes these things are lost either behind things that wouldn't appear unless Deus-ex happens. While in contrast, and what makes a good crime show, a character's vast knowledge can make the police show their competence yet incompetence. The best example I know of would be through Detective Conan and it's language cases such as "Sit down please" where other characters do not know something cultural but the character's knowledge of non-common facts displays his vast intelligence. This is also a duel positive as the show is giving the audience, who has been given all the hints to figure it out themselves, the sudden amazement of the "That's how the protagonist tricked/trapped/caught the antagonist"'
Haha, I'm glad you used Dancing Sample Bites at 5:43. That and VON are my go to songs to loop when I need to really focus or plan something out. That being said, the music is really low in this video compared to your voice.
not saying anything about the quality of the anime, but as a kid I really loved the scene in Mirai Nikki where Akise does the coin thing, but then again it's been years so I'm not super aware of how well it holds up against my current repertoire of anime haha
So I have a quick little fun fact a out the "luck factor " you mentioned, in Yugioh the anime never stated it, but all the millennium items have abilitys that let's them do certain things, each one has their own, and Yugi's millennium puzzle's ability is to provide the wearer the best luck possible, or essentially somthing along those lines, so its actually explained why hes so fucking lucky but the anime decided it would be easier to just say "heart of the cards"
8:56 This decision Eren was forced to make is one that has shaped him over time. When he believed in his mates, they either could not achieve the objective or get killed, while when Eren himself volunteered (in Season 3 Part 1, the Royal Family's cave or whatever) to save them, they succeeded, which made him believe in himself, and undertaking the actions in the Manga by himself, without any other person taking charge.
1:52 Between the two extremes spoonfeeding the necessary data to move the plot forward by info dumps in form of an expository soliloquy is one of the worst sins an audioVISUAL medium can do. It's really scary to hear encouragment for this, specially in a medium where this particular narrative flaw is a cliche. All that said, I understand what you try to say, and in the case of strategy you are absolutely correct, but I felt the need to make this discernment.
When people are going to stop using No Game No Life as an example of a good strategy anime? For each thing it does right it does 10 things wrong by giving Mary Sue powers to protagonists. For example, the mind game mentioned in the video wouldn't even happen if not for their ability to win a game of chance 50 times in a row. And don't get me started on the midair sharpshooting and humanly impossible coin toss.
Hey all, thanks for watching! I'm super happy to return to the strategy genre, and hope to continue highlighting great strategic / tactical moments in the future. Feel free to let me know some of your favorite scenes that you'd like to see broken down either individually or in clusters like this.
Great job with this showcase.
Do Kaiji: Ultimate Survivor and detail the mental breakdown of the most impactful moments of each arc.
Each arc has these moments that are completely mind-boggling but full of strategic moments. Many topics you bring up in this video are just icing on the cake in Kaiji. This show deserves so much more attention and could see a 3rd season if the spinoff does well this season.
Pretty much the entirety of Girls und Panzer would be great to see covered like this! Specifically the match with Kuromorimine in the last few episodes - the plan there is very interesting and I like how the individual teams have their personalities and quirks integrated into it.
Do One Outs and Liar game
Rule 1: Information
R 1a: All relevant information the strategy is created under must be given or inferable.
R 1b: If the strategist is not the POV character, any and all information may be withheld.
Rule 2: Objective
R 2a: An objective must be stated, regardless if it is the true objective.
R 2b: Motivations do not need to be stated or match the stated objective.
Rule 3: Luck
R 3: Luck needs to be acknowledged.
I'd add that loss makes a winning strategy all the more satisfying. Nothing is better than a plan coming together, but if it ALWAYS comes together, we're much less inclined to be impressed. Part of the reason L is such a cool character, is that he is allowed to be legitimately smarter than Light regardless of the fact that all the disadvantages. His death makes him so much cooler because Light had to essentially cheat in order to win. Really like the video!
Whether L was at an unfair disadvantage was never really something the show stated so it's fair to say it wasn't treating Light's moves as cheating. In fact, whether L actually was at a disadvantage is debatable and I'd argue that L actually had an advantage over Light.
Yugioh even acknowledged joeys luck in S5 Grand Prix arc, where he makes a 1 in 3 bet with the entire match, win or lose, on the line. And he just fails. He loses and is out of the tournament. Also technically yugi has an excuse for his heart of the cards BS, it is canon that he can use ancient Egyptian shadow magic to control which card he will draw next. So he’s just cheating.
In Yugioh, there's no cheating. Because everyone cheats
@Alvi SyahriYugi's puzzle also increase luck
I would say Kaiji: ultimate survivor is a better example of luck and strategy. (This is not a spoiler cause this show is literally a roller coaster.)
This show breaks down the mind of gamblers and has actual weight to the stakes. The value of money is meaningless to the host but is everything to the gambler.
The strategies are built on the fly but provide a huge advantage over the other players. In the latter half, Kaiji knows he is going to lose but keeps playing hoping for a miracle. He even breaks and begs to walk away. Soon, plans they laid out finally start to show results and literally breaks the luck aspect making the impossible to win game turn in to a guaranteed win.
Kaiji s1 and s2 shows how luck can be a factor but goes to the lengths of saying that only idiots rely on luck. They even say "Never gamble unless you know you are going to win."
I was wondering do you think that maybe a strategy show like death note or code geass is different than how a strategy on like hunter x hunter is done? Like for sure they share a lot of the similar rules but a show like naruto has to balance the exposition of the plan with the actual action of the scene and I personally think that it changes the game just a little bit
LELOUCH! XD Love the video and the in-depth explanation.
Glad to hear you loved Code Geass.
Giving Kaguya-sama some love? Man, if I weren't already subscribed, that would've pushed me to.
Code Geass hype! Also, dat pot shot at TLJ ^^
I would just include in Mao Vs Letuce Lambsauce, Mao was totally focused on reading Lelouce (and reveling in his pain) and didnt detect Suzaku coz he had no idea he was on the board.
What could be used more in anime (or any show) is having a superior main character losing because the bad guy got lucky.
I dont honestly leave any comments, but your content is awesome. Your takes and analysis are varied, and I wish for your content to reach more people.
Kaiji Ultimate Survivor is like what you're describing with Kakeguri except good! I really like that show!
Alderamin on the Sky is fantastic!
Definitely should've used Kaiji as an example!
I would add to the luck rule that if a lot of plans the planner makes rely on luck then they should be punished for it every once in a while.
Too often MC's will have godlike luck and always draw the right card at the right time, but it feels cheap if it keeps happening. Having the luck fall the wrong way every once in a while is a great way to both raise the stakes and to make future plans that rely on luck feel like actual gambles.
agreed. show don't tell.
don't just tell the audience that sometimes it can go wrong, show them that it sometimes go wrong.
That's why Code Geass, Death Note and Legend Of The Galactic Heores are good show, because they don't rely on dumb shit luck for protagonists brilliance.
@@theinvincible278 lelouch rely on luck in all his plannings!
@@shubham2076 not really I guess u could say the geass, but lelouch is at a huge disadvantage a lot of times, Britannia is a much bigger army than a few black knights/untrained terrorists that were present in the beginning
Thank you for those two videos ! I am working on a manga with some scenes being military battles, and this helped me a lot ! I'm going to work on my battleplan scenes with this in mind :)
I'd personally love some breakdowns of strategy in battles from shows. A talk about strategy in Fire Emblem would be awesome as well
The Heart of the Cards, as explained to me, turned out at the end of Yugioh to be the Millenium Puzzle's power. It basically augmented odds in favor of the holder. Whatever card Yugi needed would be placed at the top at the right time.
Not sure how accurate that is, but I thought that was stupidly brilliant.
Isee it more as the power of destiny, in the same way that yugi's and atem souls are connected despite the tim and space distance
There isn’t a heart of the cards in the original
Never understood why that got added, cause most of the time Yugi draws and he goes “this is useless” lmao
I wonder how you feel about the second arc of Death Note. I always loved the first section but felt that the second part fell flat on the "Acknowledge luck" section. That being said, I watched the shows years ago so my memory might be fuzzy :)
At the end the second half of DN was forced upon needing to continue the manga in the magazine. The duo later work Bakuman has a really neat way of exposing that topic.
(I'm going off the manga here since its second half is far superior.) In the second part, there were far fewer instances of characters getting lucky compared to the first part. There were three instances, and all three of them were instances which favoured Light, which were...
1. Mikami ending up being extremely intelligent and someone who takes initiative.
2. Mikami electing Takada, someone Light knew, as his spokesperson
3. Mikami figuring out Takada was in contact with the real Kira even though his deduction was relatively flawed and there were other factors to consider.
I guess they failed to acknowledge the luck aspect of 1, but ultimately I wouldn't say it's too convenient as Light could've just controlled Mikami to mail the Death Note to someone else.
They acknowledged 2 many, many, many times.
They didn't acknowledge 3, but it does say something about Mikami's character, even if it wasn't bluntly stated how.
There's no such thing as luck... I believe in the Heart of the Cards!
Loved the first episode (not sure if you remember me from commenting my love of that video and its subjects).
This also good, and yet again I agree that more people should watch Alderamin on the Sky. Seriously, I want a season two of that sooo bad.
I don't remember that specific comment, but I definitely remember talking about the Hyouka dub with you in the past - thanks for sticking with us, and glad you enjoyed!
5;31 the interesting about that is that lot of people missed that refrence in the very begining of the entire show that explains that tran shipment bit in episode 2 So with Lelushes deductive reasoning he might use this event to erace a valuable part of his past as to how he got that shipment of nightmares to begin with , Good plot for amovie
Honestly I was surprised there wasn't a single example of HxH used. It felt like almost everything involved strategy in that show, and there was even a moment where Killua was just trying to figure out why someone sounds/feels like they're lying with the very limited knowledge he had. Hope you make a video about HxH, probably about strategy or mystery in the future.
After watching both of your strategy videos back to back, I would love to hear your opinion on crime shows where the pieces have to be put together, just like your subsection b description, but shows can fall flat because sometimes these things are lost either behind things that wouldn't appear unless Deus-ex happens. While in contrast, and what makes a good crime show, a character's vast knowledge can make the police show their competence yet incompetence. The best example I know of would be through Detective Conan and it's language cases such as "Sit down please" where other characters do not know something cultural but the character's knowledge of non-common facts displays his vast intelligence. This is also a duel positive as the show is giving the audience, who has been given all the hints to figure it out themselves, the sudden amazement of the "That's how the protagonist tricked/trapped/caught the antagonist"'
About your first point, I'd say that the ending of Kingdom's Coalition arc is the exception to that "deus ex machina" rule
See people in anime community care way less about good writing. that's why this video has less views.
Haha, I'm glad you used Dancing Sample Bites at 5:43. That and VON are my go to songs to loop when I need to really focus or plan something out. That being said, the music is really low in this video compared to your voice.
not saying anything about the quality of the anime, but as a kid I really loved the scene in Mirai Nikki where Akise does the coin thing, but then again it's been years so I'm not super aware of how well it holds up against my current repertoire of anime haha
Code Geass would make a perfect Fire Emblem game
Am late but this video is gold
So I have a quick little fun fact a out the "luck factor " you mentioned, in Yugioh the anime never stated it, but all the millennium items have abilitys that let's them do certain things, each one has their own, and Yugi's millennium puzzle's ability is to provide the wearer the best luck possible, or essentially somthing along those lines, so its actually explained why hes so fucking lucky but the anime decided it would be easier to just say "heart of the cards"
Insta like for FE music :)
Kakegurui is a bad gambling show, but it has one of the best outros ever made. It won people over regardless of the virtues of the show.
All according to keikaku
8:56 This decision Eren was forced to make is one that has shaped him over time. When he believed in his mates, they either could not achieve the objective or get killed, while when Eren himself volunteered (in Season 3 Part 1, the Royal Family's cave or whatever) to save them, they succeeded, which made him believe in himself, and undertaking the actions in the Manga by himself, without any other person taking charge.
I need to do the converstion before I realise how much they are playing for about 15Mil Pounds sterling or 18Mil USD. Thats a lot on a game of chance.
I tried the RockPaperScissors thing from NoGameNoLife. I won
Hmmm.... D-Frag.....I like
Do you always use that FE music in the background?
Have you seen orginal legends of the galactic heroes
1:52 Between the two extremes spoonfeeding the necessary data to move the plot forward by info dumps in form of an expository soliloquy is one of the worst sins an audioVISUAL medium can do.
It's really scary to hear encouragment for this, specially in a medium where this particular narrative flaw is a cliche.
All that said, I understand what you try to say, and in the case of strategy you are absolutely correct, but I felt the need to make this discernment.
What is the anime that is shown by the minute 2:52? It seems interesting
Ita kinda gross putting lelouch and eren on the same picture, don't disrespect Lelouch
ok... anyone want to hear vidio about acca13??
UESH JOJO!!!!
Does Castlevania count as an anime?🤔
When people are going to stop using No Game No Life as an example of a good strategy anime? For each thing it does right it does 10 things wrong by giving Mary Sue powers to protagonists.
For example, the mind game mentioned in the video wouldn't even happen if not for their ability to win a game of chance 50 times in a row. And don't get me started on the midair sharpshooting and humanly impossible coin toss.
at 2:21 what is this anime?
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What is the anime at 2:20?
Alderamin of the sky