When Headcanon became Fallout Lore: The Worst Moment of Fallout's Lore
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- In today's video we take a look at how a fans head canon name became a canon aspect of the Fallout franchise, affecting the Maxsons and the Brotherhood of Steel.
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Isn't the creator of the Independent Wiki a complete nutjob and went on a hissy fit on the nukapedia because other moderators didn't agree with their edits?
Ive seen articles like this before. They are just logical fillers. Maxon had a child. Everything about them is unknown so they are the second Maxon. I like the concept of an independent wiki. Are there more examples?
Everything after New Vegas is not cannon, Van Buren is partially cannon and F3 is mostly cannon
@@funkylittlespacecowboy2372 Nah. There is a lot of misinformation going around about this, but it's only one biased side of the story. I work on the Independent Fallout Wiki myself, and the environment on the wiki is super awesome! They've really helped me feel like I belong in the Fallout community.
@@cocknballtorture777cope and seethe cringe lord
I always assumed he was named Roger after his father, hence why he'd be called Maxson the second within the the brotherhood's records to distinguish him from his father
yea sounds more knightly than "roger jr"
Same^
@@kobold7466 Don't you mean Elder Roger Maxson Jr.
That makes perfect sense. These are guys who refer to themselves as scribes, knights and paladins. Maxson the second sounds alot better than Maxson two.
really. you always assumed this did you. always?
This happens a lot to franchises that have gone on a long time and shifted creative hands officially multiple times.
The Ben 10 franchise is pretty infamous for later writers relying on wikis to keep the worldbuilding and lore straight and this has resulted in a TON of fanwank becoming canon over time, to the point where the wiki actually has a page dedicated to every notable instance where this happened.
Lmao 😂
What's the page on the wiki called? That sounds like a really interesting read
happens with transformers too, tfwiki has i think two or three pages dedicated to documenting this phenomenon and keeping records of when it happens
@@lotty. The Transformers Wiki is also just an absolute trip and a half to read and I love it.
I'm not even especially attached to that franchise and the wiki is still funny as hell.
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This is a certified Fallout Fanbase moment.
The Fallout Community was truly the worst thing to happen to the franchise.
@@toxicKorgiim gonna go with the bathesda purchase.
@@WarDogMadness Nah, before that Interplay turned Fallout into a shitty ps2 game with bad 2000s metal and real life energy drink ads.
I'd say it was either the destruction of Van Buren or letting Emil write the BGS titles. @@toxicKorgi
@@WarDogMadnessOh, you mean the purchase that literally saved the Fallout franchise from going extinct because Interplay cancelled Van Buren and went bankrupt because they got sued for illegally using a game engine that wasn’t theirs? The purchase that allowed for Fallout New Vegas to have a chance of existing in the first place?
That purchase?
The lowest point of lore is the enclave and Bos both being in West Virginia like 20 years after the bombs fell when they should both be in bunkers/rigs on west coast riding out the immediate aftermath of the war not having players in both factions interacting and fighting
I was about to say something along these lines too.
I don't think I'm alone in considering the events of that game apocryphal
@@MediumRareOpinions an amazing way of putting it I hope the next fallout kinda just ignores it if the Bos appear don’t even mention Virginia same with eso but at least that’s just bad lore not an abomination of it
There's not a single mention of them being at war in that game. Are you sure you didn't just do what the video described and just go off of whatever the wiki said?
That game is not canon no one can convince me otherwise
I think the wiki making up the name Sole Survivor is arguably worse than this. Just made up a title based on a sentence spoken by Todd Howard at E3 and stuck with it even though it’s never used until marketing for the DLC.
I had no idea 😮
@@TriangleCity Yeah, on the talk page for the fandom article the justification for it is a bit flimsy at best. Todd Howard says that you're the sole survivor of Vault 111, and they just went with that. In game, on the radio, you're just referred to as "the Vault Dweller".
On the one hand, it is helpful for the protagonist of 4 to have a different title from the protagonist of 1, but on the other, I really don't like how the wiki just made this up and it became official.
Bethesda did stick to their guns with 76 though. Despite the wiki insisting for years that the players in that game are "Residents", marketing consistently refers to them as Vault Dwellers and the fandom wiki eventually caved after enough people made a fuss over the stupid title.
I usually just call them Nate/Nora
@@CrimsonKnight77Lol that’s a shame as I love the fan title of “The Pioneer” to refer to the 76 protagonist/s.
I'd say this is more a case of a fan name becoming so widespread it gets embraced.
I believe the G-Man from Half Life one of the most famous cases of that.
Nah the Ghoul Kid in a fridge will forever be the lowest moment of the franchise. That one is just straight up unredeemable.
If the kid in a fridge is lore then you pissing in a toilet is a historical event
Frankly, almost everything Bethesda has written for 3, 4, and 76 is a major retcon in some way or another. Practically 10% or less of what they added is consistent with canon.
Why was that so bad?
@@manuhakalaIt was previously canon that people who were born ghouls or became ghouls as children still grew into adults eventually. Then Fallout 4 throws in a ghoul that remained a child for 200 years without explaination.
@@eddiethebastard5903let's also not forget that in previous games, ghouls were also shown to have to drink and eat in order to survive but this quest also retconned that piece of lore.
Lowest moment of the series lore? Hardly.
-Fallout 2 canonically has a fucking Animaniacs character as the leader of Gecko.
-Fallout 3 had the stupid zetan aliens start the nuclear war
-Lonesome Roads basically invalidates New Vegas’s story by making The Courier responsible for genociding an entire civilization, and then going “Oh the tunnelers are gonna kill anything anyways so theres no hope for any of the factions!”
-The entire moral conundrum of Fallout 4, being whether advanced AI should be treated as an equal to humanity, is completely moot when you realize that “Synths” are literally just cloned human beings with microchips in their brains. That, and it’s technically incest if you bang any of the Synth companions/npcs since they use Shaun’s dna as a template, making them technically your grandchild.
-Fallout 76’s Raider gang are by far the worst bit of writing in that game, even compared to the WV BOS thing. There is absolutely no reason why the Overseer would want to help inoculate them, nor any reason why you should, but you’re forced into it. Caesar’s Legion for example at least has some sort of grand-plan to civilize the wastes, but the F76 Raiders are incredibly wishy washy and shun bad deeds despite also being responsible for said bad deeds.
Fallout 3 had the stupid zetan aliens start the nuclear war-this wasn't even confirmed
the rest of the things you said are plain stu1pid but then again you are a fallout "fan"
Another thing about Lonesome Road is that the base game was written in such a way that the player could roleplay as the lone wanderer from fallout 3 if they wanted, but LR throws that away by having the courier be present in the divide during the time frame of 3.
Maxson II could also be interpreted as Maxson, Jr.
No Maxson Jr sounds cringe
Thats what i was thinking, or maxson the second
Ngl a headcanon inadvertently becoming canon is hardly as bad as "T60 being the latest and greatest pre-war PA - even though the T51b (and lore vaguely referring to earlier unnamed pre t-51b pas that became the t45 series) had that designation - and fallout 76's rampant amount of post-t51b armors", or "US military using hideous dieselpunk lewis gun hybrids as standard ballistic assault rifles.. (and the general inconsistency with their prewar 2077 equipment)" , And not forgetting the whole "Brotherhood in Appalachia 30 years after the apocalypse despite no reference to them leaving new California - because the Arthurian WH40k rejects are so 'important' to the franchise identity" debacle...just to name a few of the more egregious lore screw overs.
I think Fo76 fixed T-60 by giving it weaker stats than T-51B. 76 also clarified the X-01 lore so at least there's that.
There’s no reference to them leaving California because no large group left the state.
The main Appalachian Brotherhood was founded over radio.
And the revived version of the group was founded by just 3 people who were sent to check up on the original group.
That they’re never mentioned literally just means they weren’t important enough to be remembered.
I remember on the old Bioware forums the devs mentioned that they used wiki's a lot. Usually to remind themselves if they killed off a character or not.
Let's be fair, this isn't even the lowest moment in Fallout 3's lore.
Mothership Zeta
@@masaru8162I mean Aliens have been a part of the story since Fallout 2. The AI Skynet straight up says he is made with “alien technology”
@@jakespacepiratee3740They didn't imply the aliens were the ones that caused the Great War though
Fallout 3 in general is a low point in the series, let alone the lore
@@nagger8216 nor did Fallout 3, it sounded like they failed at gaining the launch code.
The Ben 10 wiki has changed a lot of stuff in the show as well, particularly in omniverse, the writers of the show retconned so much stuff from alien force based on a wiki person claiming that kevin was a mutant in the original show, despite the original creator never saying that
Idk about the "lowest moment in the series' lore, but Bethesda really needs to get a handle on the lore of the franchise. I can probably think of three or four lore decisions in Fallout 4 alone (and don't get me started on 76) that are worse.
Fallout 76 is not cannon and it never was, they already say it multiple times, its time to move on with that edgy conversation
why they would care? Even if they mess up someone will defend their actions... and their Fallouts sold more than real Fallout and real RPGs
lore inconsistency in the lore? plotholes? That's just Tuesday in Bethesda office
@@WdoubleyouW
1. Bethesda has never said Fallout 76 is not canon. If they did, provide a source.
2. It's not "edgy."
3. I explicitly sidestepped that conversation so there's no need to get your panties in a twist.
@@WdoubleyouWThe only people who say 76 isn’t canon are salty fans.
Isnt that read as “Maxson the second”?
Yeah, but I thought Maxson 2 was funnier lol
I would say Kid in the Fridge is the lowest point of the series lore.
There's a good argument for that lol
Interplay did it first with that one ghoul in 2, hell he didn't even have any air.
Literally the same thing happened in 2.
@@Falloutlover1011 Silence! The Interplay fanboys are hating Bethesda in the name of their God Interplay, who has never retconned lore or added anything dumb in their games. Not once!
I think I invented a cooler quest line, there is a person in the fridge a skeleton clutching an audio tape it leads to a private bunker where a kid is at and this man had adopted him. You could make this guy in the fridge a Claude Frollo type keeping him but hiding him away because he’s a ghoul or make him a great Dad that was at the wrong place and time.
Wouldn't it be read as "Maxon The Second"?
Yes but apparently that's not common knowledge. This generation is an embarrassment
I think the name is also very fitting for an uppity prick, and it works for the Brotherhood too, as they're a bit on the pretentious/up-themselves side...
Honestly? I don't really mind. It's just a little easter egg they put in there. I was expecting a quest to be based on some obscure fanfic, or something ridiculous like that
I don't get why people are angry about this. The Bible didn't name Roger Maxson's son (despite being mentioned several times). So people including BGS just assumed they had the same name and named him Roger Maxson the second.
@@AsymmetricalCrimesbecause fallout purists despite Bethesda fallouts and act like Todd personally killed their dog.
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It seems somebody might have believed that the Brotherhood treated the Elder(s) as kings, I suppose I can see it given the psuedo-knight approach of their ranks.
The misinterpretation seems to be: Maxson the Second (Maxson II), son of Roger Maxson, like KIng George the Second (George II), but Bethesda didn't do their diligence when adding it.
I mean, we'll use numerals in America for non royalty even now, but it really only ever kicks in if there's a Third or you're just a pretentious dickhead; otherwise a son named for his father would be Junior.
Maxson II has a much nicer ring than Roger Maxson JR
That doesn't make sense. People didn't call their kings by their dynasty names. In all Fallouts, it's Elder followed by the last name. So them calling Roger Maxson's son Roger II would of been dumb.
I think you forget the BoS comes from the US military first, not European royal families. In the military, no one calls you by your first name, especially to officers and commanders.
I don't know that this is worse than Fallout 4's loading screens contradicting *themselves* about Power Armor, to be honest, or, for that matter, 4's weird insistence that potatoes are extinct since the war when the very same organization making that claim was growing them in 3.
I mean a loading screen being wrong is a minor detail at best. Most games outsource loading screens to interns. Their literally the lowest priority in game development
@@AsymmetricalCrimes You are going to see the loading screen significantly more often that one file in one portion of the map.
@@AJadedLizard And? Their still the least important part of a game
@@AsymmetricalCrimes *They're, and why are you commenting if you don't care?
@@AJadedLizard Because you're bitching about something that doesn't matter. You look foolish taking a loading screen so seriously when Fo2 has even worse inaccuracies that people like you refuse to talk about otherwise it would upset your god Interplay.
This is why I think having a dedicated “Lore Master” as an actual company position with authority for each respective franchise should be standard. Or maybe even a whole team. I don’t think you should necessarily stick to lore like a stone tablet from God but there should be paid professionals you can turn to for discussion of changes you want to make
3 was a trickier time for that. Half of the Fallout titles and a good portion of the developers' notes from the previous games were non canonical, and the developers behind 1, 2, and Van Buren were all working on separate projects at companies on the other side of the country. Bethesda bought the IP, decided to do a soft reboot of the franchise with an entirely separate team, and had to try their best to stay consistent with the lore of a series worked on by 4 separate defunct studios. All things considered they did about as good a job as could be expected at that even if it wasn't perfect
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I would prefer he was named Maxon squared
Lmao Ausir was a longtime Duckandcover poster too hahahaha
Why is a Triple A dev even going to the wiki for lore info on their own franchise to begin with? How hard was it to just call some of the old devs and ask them what Maxon Jr's name was?
Because for all intents and purposes there wasn't a canon name in place for that person. The Fallout Bible was controversial and considered noncanon by certain people who worked on the games, and the only other mention is a note that wasn't ever put into the games.
Because fans of franchises are kinda rabid when it comes to creating extensive wikis that contain the most obscure info on a work imaginable.
Because Fallout isn't their creation, they stole it from the actual creators and see it as a money-spinning tool, kind of like Disney with...well, most of pop culture.
Granted, Bethesda does the same thing with The Elder Scrolls, which they *did* create so it's also partially just they're incredibly inept.
Nobody at Bethesda cares about lore or continuity. Look at how Pete Hines reacted to people complaining about the BoS in 76, if you want to see how exceedingly smug they can be about it.
“Why would a relatively small developer that just bought an iconic franchise with thousands of characters and events use a free, community-driven archival passion project that they can access at any time instead of calling the people who are pretty pissed off that they just lost their jobs due to interplay’s incompetence 24/7?”
In all seriousness though, theres nothing wrong with creators using the Wikis to plan their next installments. The Creators of the Venture Bros did that, and that shows writing and storylines only got better and better as time went on.
Still BS that Sarah died. Loved that girl in fallout 3. Had to be some "shadow government " stuff going on.
It's because the FO3 BOS was too good. The BOS needs at least an essence of dickishness to them.
For a moment, I thought you said "His name was Maxson too" and it confused me 😂
And whenever we go out, the people always shout-
The "II" is supposed to be pronounced "The Second", like "Junior" or something.
Still, even with this it makes no sense.
You do realize the "II" in Maxson II stands for "the second" right? It's not pronounced as literally "Maxson 2." It means he has the same first name as his father so rather than have the same name listed twice, it was listed as Maxson II, or "Maxson the second."
This is very common in the western world, honestly surprised you've never heard of this before.
Yeah, but that's applied to given names, like Louis or Henry, and not the family name.
Its Louis IX, not Capet IX. Dude should have been Roger II.
Yeah I think it's odd to call what was obviously a placeholder name (because wiki pages need to have titles) "headcanon". I guess maybe it wasn't as obvious as we think that it was a placeholder name though, given a writer at Bethesda apparently didn't realize. I'd've called the page "Roger Maxson's son" though. Or maybe "Rogerson Maxgrandson" if I was feeling in the mood for an especially dumb joke.
@@Psychohistorian42 I thought that was usually for royal families of Europe? In America, we typically say the full name followed by the number. Like Martin Luther King III. I've never heard anyone call him just Martin III.
@AsymmetricalCrimes Granted, I think its just for regnal names, or the official name you assume as a monarch. Like how Prince Charles became Charles III only when he became king. In Maxon's case, I would assume he became Elder because of his father, and thus taking a regnal name was in line with all the knightly trappings in the Brotherhood.
I stand by my assumption that "Maxon II" would be more accurately "Roger II" or Roger Jr. if we're sticking with Pre-War names.
@@AsymmetricalCrimesMy guy, it's an organization based on ancient European knights, they even have a glorified hereditary monarchy, what even is your point?
For the people claiming that 76 messed up it shows people barely played that game.
The brotherhood was in virginia, maxon let one of his ex military buddies make a faction of the brotherhood there. The scorched attack and it becomes clear that they need help so they send a distress signal while also trying to stop it.
The brotherhood we see today in 76 is that distress group that was sent to help the faction in virginia.
The enclave in 76 is made out of the vault dwellers, robots and 1 guy who runs the whitelsprings resort. The enclave are not interested in the brotherhood and infact are actually helping the respondeds who in term are helping the Union faction who is fightong for the pitt long before rhe brotherhood shows up and destroys pittsburg futher making whatever you did in that dlc mean nothing by the time fallout3 rolls around. The enclave is strictly focused on rebuilding quietly, the brotherhood is there on a mission. They never ecounter nor care for eachother's precense.
Way i see people just shit on 76 for internet clout now. I used to hate it too but then i played it and its not as bad as everyone claims it has it's issues but you can have fun with it.
For me the worst moment of Fallout's lore is probably still FO4's opening, our one really solid look at the immediate pre war world and it looks like it's ripped right out of tranquility lane despite the resource shortages, new plague, general economic and societal collapse etc etc
The New Plauge is a half baked idea fans like to claim was this huge thing. It was mentioned ONCE by a Zax computer in Fallout 1 and that's it. Never brought up in Fo2 and only small name drops in BGS games. The New Plague was only going to be an idea in Van Buren, which was canceled.
The Zax computers in the first two Fallout games were dumb. Some of their entries were clearly dev trolling, like how apparently the president of the US (who was Enclave btw) was arrested for Jaywalking. By far the dumbest thing written about pre-war lore.
looks more like it belonged in saints row 4 than fallout 4 actually, like they even screwed that up.
I mean, they could have gone with Roger Maxon Jr, or Roger II (like how they number kings). But sure... Maxon II.
In America, the number is typically placed after the last name. Like Martin Luther King III. No one calls him "Martin III."
sister to the Olympic Class Liner the Maxon I, that sunk on a tragic run in with a Lore Iceberg in the sea of Obsidian on its first maiden voyage, helmed by the legendarily terrible captain Todd Howard Jr the Third and his Dog Biff the barker lol
Okay, idk what I was expecting from this vid
The wiki is suppose to tell the players about the universe in a convenient manner. NOT THE DEVS!
I think the name is supposed to be pronounced “Maxson the Second” not Maxson 2, regardless this just feels like laziness on both parts of Bethesda and Nukapedia.
It’s hardly laziness to just have it as Maxson II. That’s kinda just how people named the 2nd’s names are written.
@@Falloutlover1011 Yes, but if Maxson II was just fanfic without any citations then why didn’t the wiki pick up on it?
@@MyArchive930 It's a placeholder name, but that doesn't necessarily make it fanfic (though I haven't gone and read the 2005 edit of that page to see how clear it was). The character himself existed in official media (with no name) so the wiki needed *something* to call the page. But there are definitely better placeholder names you could use, probably "Roger Maxson's son" is the best. There are also worse names; maybe they should've gone with "Rogerson Maxgrandson" which is so obviously dumb that nobody would ever assume it was a real name.
@@MyArchive930 Well it was Interplay who forgot to name Roger Maxson's son despite mentioning him in the Fallout Bible multiple times
This just strikes me as lazy. You see this a lot in lore-heavy franchises these days where poor documentation on wikis works its way into canon.
Interplay were the lazy ones for not bothering to name Roger Maxson's son despite mentioning him several times in the Fallout Bible. Seriously, how hard is it to come up with a name?
@@AsymmetricalCrimes True, that's also a weird oversight.
This was also done for the naming of the T-60 Power Armor in Fallout 4. A mod for Fallout 3 replaced the power armor you get at the end of Operation Anchorage with a new prototype power armor titled T-60.
What’s the mod called?
It would’ve made more sense for T-60/65 to be found in Fort Constantine.
T-60 should’ve been a Brotherhood of Steel invention. I hate that they’d rather retcon shit like that into the game rather than let the Factions actually grow with the resources they acquired (that being the advanced enclave duraframe suits from Broken Steel)
@@uberd3323 That’s a good point actually.
That’s not true. T-60 was originally t-35, but it was redesigned so much Bethesda decided to just make it a new power armor.
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This was actually mentioned in a Gameinformer article. The full article was about the impact of wikis on video games. It had a more positive spin and referenced this as an example of positive dev/fan interaction. For some reason I remember this as being an interview, but this article also probably 10 years old.. Maybe worth looking into for a follow up video?
cant wait til bethesda tops this
The TV show one upped this by canonizing a reddit post within the first ten minutes. I am referring to the "thumbs up" nonsense, if you were wondering.
imagine silent hill games making all the foreskin symbolism canon
idk I think Fallout 76 is the lowest moment of Fallout's lore.
Fallout 3 and 4 aren't canon
Lol butthurt
@@AsymmetricalCrimesBro, you're coping about every comment criticizing the Bethesda games on this video out of a knee-jerk, butthurt reaction. You really shouldn't be throwing stones out of that glass house of yours, my guy
F4 separates real fallout from the skinsuit it is now.
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I expected the entirety of the Fallout 4 main story...
Not a single terminal note concerning a single NPC that never appears and isn't mentioned ever again. And honestly, the brotherhood is an insular cult worshipping their Elders. It makes sense for a kid to be named in honour of their Ancestors. Wouldn't be the only one: Veronica and other BoS character don't have a last name. In order to still be called Maxwell, taking it a first name and adding a II to indicate linkage to their ancestor makes a lot of sense
Fallout4 is the series lowest point
Peak Bethesda.
Bethesda and its consequences have a disaster for the fallout franchise
Fallout 4 was so lazy they just went on the Internet for all their ideas apparently
They stole the entire settlements aspect from a fallout 3 mod that got featured in PC Gamer in '09
And apparently some head cannon because they couldn't be bothered to look up real lore
nobody owns the concept of that settlement mod wtf are you talking about?
@@chaserseven2886 I never said anyone owned anything
All I'm saying is that you'd think a multi billion dollar company could improve on the free 25% of Fallout 4
Like SIM settlements/2 did with the settlement system
Quit defending garbage
What about fallout 76?
I think the lowest moment of the series lore is that they forgot that Myron invented Jet LOL
In Fallout 2, there's an NPC who claims to have been addicted to Jet before Myron was even born.
bethesda is to blame
Something I wanna ask; Who remembers the channel Nilsors Vault? Like just out of curiosity who remembers him? It’s been so long since I seen an upload from him.
Bethesda moment
Can you make a fallout 3/ NV mod list video where you list off all of the mods you need to add all of their cut content back in? I’d love to see that and it would be great to shout out the modders
Thanks for the great video! What's the background music in this video?
Could have called him Buck Maxson and it would have been better than this.
Why didn't they make it Maxson jr?
Because that sounds cringe.
@@AsymmetricalCrimes dude you're like five nights at Freddie's
@@sedsitametadinterreteliber2937 What does that even mean
@@AsymmetricalCrimes you'll never know
You told me to comment here.
Yeah that's me in the VB discord lol
@@TriangleCity Damn.
"Hey, Im a Maxson too!"
Bethesda not understanding just how long decades and centuries are? Sounds like another day that ends with 'y'
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Fans have sense where corporate puppets don't, fancanon becoming lore is the best thing that can happen to any franchise
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Fallout 4 and 76 as a whole, are the worst moments in Fallout lore. Can't think of a single thing that didn't feel wrong about those two.
as someone that says 3 is better than new Vegas I genuinely find this funny.
but I'm not going to hate it cause the guys name is most likely named Roger Maxson the second.
Seeing as the brotherhood is too lazy to type Roger a second time is fucking funny lol.
Yeah it happens and is always sad... Although this is the earliest I heard of a Dev just ripping fanfiction from a wiki/art site and putting into canon.
Yeah but only if you count bethesda's shitty writing as canon
I mean, they own the series. Of course it’s canon.
@@Falloutlover1011Cool, I also don't care lol
Fallout 76 also retcons the lore of the Brotherhood. Did Maxson send scouts out? NOT before the First Fallout game. They are actively trying to undermine the original games by making Fallout 76 a PREQUEL. IN Fallout 1 the Brotherhood were and ARE ISOLATIONIST. Fallout 76 makes the excuse that they " found" some prewar satellite and sent out scouts/ formed a chapter on the East Coast..
Its another example of Bethesda screwing over the original games adn FNV for being better WRITTEN.
Nothing in the first Fallout says Roger Maxson didn’t send out scouts. There’s literally no statements in any of the games prior to 76 about what occurred during Roger Maxson’s reign as High Elder beyond establishing the Brotherhood as a faction.
They also didn’t “find” a satellite, as you put it. They used the still functioning satellite network from before the bombs until those satellites became too damaged to function.
The 1 Brotherhood also weren’t all that isolationist. They literally traded advanced tech for food all the time. They just didn’t allow people to join them, at least not easily.
is no one gonna talk about how basically thanks to fallout 4, and how poor its writing is, that the bad ending of Broken Steel is now canonical? as otherwise their heel turn and turn into raiders with power armor and military ranking makes no sense, and even then that kid would have been IN the citadel unless they sent him off on a mission
I think all of 76 "lore" is "headcanon" and "the lowest point" of the franchize.
A title it stole from 4.
But at least we can look forward to Failure4.5NV2 sarcasum totally not skyrim2 with guns like 76 is.
The worst part of fallout lore is when Bethesda acquired it.
The moment it left Black Isle/Obsidian, Fallout died.
it didn't Bethesda kept the franchise alive this is massive cope
That’s one thing (of many other things) that bothers me and I don’t get since joining this fandom a few years ago, like, if the Maxson lineage is so essential to Fallout in terms of the longstanding BOS faction, why would Bethesda allow Arthur to be killed at all in FO4, yet a nobody faction lead (Preston) is made essential? I mean, ik there are other Elders of the Brotherhood who not Maxsons but with their cult-like higharchy and AM being the last one, doesn't that present an huge issue for the faction’s future due to like infighting and balance and all? The demise of such a major character for the Brotherhood would cause massive upheaval in the organization, but Bethesda treats itas a drop in the bucket and that kinda cheapens the story imo. Wouldn't it have been more sensible for someone else to go to the Commonwealth and Maxson stay in DC if they wanted to give the player choice to kill off faction leads? This (and yes, other things Bethesda did therein) make me believe that they honestly did not and still do not care about continuity.
I guess I just care too much. I’ll always be a BOS fan though, just wish things were more consistent.
Ave, true to Caesar!
this is honestly not that bad, fallout is full of dumbshit lore like Supermutants in appalachia and the BOS-Enclave captiol war from Fo3 being fanfic grade trash
Super Mutants being in Appalachia is actually based of a Fallout Bible entry that states the US military tested FEV on several towns across North America. The super mutants formally being the residents of Huntersville is exactly that so I don't know why Bethesda gets the hate for it when its an idea from Chris Avellone.
@@AsymmetricalCrimes Shut up. Stop making sense you're talking to a Fallout fan they don't want answers they just want to be mad.
@@AsymmetricalCrimesPeople in this fandom just love to hate on Bethesda. Especially if it’s a retcon, no matter if the retcon isn’t even bad.
And a lot of what Bethesda gets hate for? Interplay did the same thing, sometimes to a worse degree.
The Brotherhood getting painted as paragon heroes and a force for good? Fallout: BoS did it first. A ghoul trapped without food or even air for a prolonged period of time? Fallout 2 did it first. Random sources of FEV being all over the country, including Vaults? Fallout:BoS did it first.
@@AsymmetricalCrimes i did not know that, i guess thats the one place where its justified that supermutants would be as opposed to Fo3 and Fo4
I love how Bethesda is too lazy to bother keeping track of anything lore-related in their games.
Personally to avoid the convoluted mess Emil Plagiaroulo calls "lore" I keep it simple.
Real canon: 1, 2 and New Vegas
Bethesda/Misc canon: Brotherhood of steel, 3, 4 and 76
Fallout 2 retcons a ton of Fallout 1.
@@AsymmetricalCrimesNeat