BROKEN BULKHEADS?//Inspecting Our Lagoon 450F Bulkheads-Episode 96
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2022
- This week we are prepping to move the 450 to a private dock near the 50 so that we can work on our BULKHEADS. We know that this video has been anticipated by quite a lot of you, so let's get into it!
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My belief is, if it weren't for Parley Revival ( ColIin) lagoon would have not taken accountability. Further is was Collin via video who supplied them with most of the information for Lagoon about bulkhead failures, repairs, and causes. He took a Rath of crap over it that most would have walked away from including from 450 owners. I am very glad you got a kit, yet still disappointed in lagoon for not covering ALL your costs in doing their bulkhead kit install/repairs. Love following your adventures. Hope to be at Annapolis show sat/Sunday and get to meet you all. Much respect and love.
It's really good that Collin put so much pressure on Lagoon to do the right thing here. And it was 100% Lagoon trying to pass the buck before this started impacting their bottom line. They might be doing it really well NOW, but the fact that their initial reaction was to try to hide this issue shows what kind of company they really are, and is why I will never own a Lagoon, not that I was likely to before. That was simply because I am not their target market, but now, even if they came out with a cat that was the kind of cat that I am interested in, I wouldn't touch it thanks to their behavior in this whole situation, only doing the right thing after being forced to by their bottom line.
Unfortunately, Lagoon (and FP and Neel) are in a bad position where they are trying to compete with SA and Asian built boats, where their labor rates are significantly higher, but still offer the same features and size for the same cost. This is just a recipe for lower quality overall. The tighter the margins, the more compromises are made.
If it’s a tensioning issue wouldn’t you see it across many other catamaran brands? This is a very specific Lagoon issue. Poor bulkhead design IMO
Not to mention there were owners with damaged bulkheads who had never re-tensioned their rig. What it honestly comes down to is that it was a bad design, made worse by cutting corners during construction to meet production quotas for most likely time AND cost. Especially with cats, a boat needs to be OVERBUILT to withstand the stresses involved, and Lagoon simply dropped the ball here, and then tried to deny it and throw Collin under the bus, until tons of owners started popping up with the same issue.
Lagoon should have gotten out in front of this straight off and made things right instead of trying to bury it and deny it, and hide it... because now they've ruined their name with a lot of people, myself included, who will never consider a Lagoon, ever.
sailing joy VLOG lagoon are now inspecting the 460 - they need to sack the marine engineers because their calculations on stresses were so wrong - to see how it should be done see ruby rose and the seawind cats with carbon fibre bulkheads
@@FlesHBoX wise choice avoid like the plague
@@jimlofts5433 have a look at ‘Balance Catamarans’ on UA-cam. 👀🐬⚓️🏖🌴☀️🇦🇺
@@jacksbackable yes from south africa - built by yatchies for yachties - same same - carbon fibre / light weight - yes it can be done - why would you even look at a condo boat unless you want a lot of boat yard repair content - how much extra to use 7 or 10 ply in 2 bulkheads if you still want cheap - amazing cheapskates or p155 poor engineering to a minimum standard supposedly needed
My stomach turned a little when I see the title, especially after all the long hours your family put into this cat. I was always a little surprised you never mentioned bulkheads before, knowing you had done the video with Colin. So glad your cat's bulkheads are good! Fair winds!
just a fyi from a carpenter...checking a vertical surface is "plumb" when the level shows the bubble between the lines...it's "level" when checking a horizontal surface....i do dig your work on both boats ..you and your family are awesome
Sounds like Lagoon hired you to support them and downplay their problems
He just wants to sell his boat.
Yep. Doesn't matter if it isn't broken yet;we all saw the way they build during the Parlay videos. The only one id buy would be Collins.
Great episode! After watching all the Lagoon 450 repair videos, I’m glad to see that she doesn’t have damaged bulkheads too! Good you will apply the reinforcement kit per factory spec though, as it will be one less concern and chore for the new owner. Wish I could experience the Annapolis Boat show and see you all there! Have fun!! I know you will be working but also it should be a little fun🎉 downtime from boat projects for everyone as well .
I'm glad you took the time to do all your research and gather all the information before you started this journey to bulkheads!
This is the third 450 that I am waching the bulkheads off.
I thought part of Colin's issue was the bulk heads not being properly bedded to the bottom hull? As I recall, there was a gap between the bulk head and hull so that the sides were bearing the loads. Made me claustrophobic just watching him crawl down below the sole like that.
Collin is lucky he only broke his bulkhead when he over tensioned his lines and didn’t drive the mast right through the bottom of the boat!
Thanks for sharing the information. It’s good that Lagoon came around to offer the repair/reinforce kit and work.
How can these wonderful people not have 30k subscribers?! Such great viewing, super informative & just a beautiful family 👪 ❤️. All the best from Queensland, Australia ✌️👍
I was shocked too, so many people are missing out
I'm surprised they havent blown past 100k
Tensioning , Hell there rig was waving around like a drunken sailor , Any further id bet the mast would have gone along with part of the yacht .
I think the rig tension is excessive on Lagoons and FP's and considering the cheap arse plywood bulkheads this is a dangerous set up. These boats are probably ok for warmer latitudes but I think they will suffer badly if sailed into the roaring forties for example. Great party / charter boats but calling them Bluewater boats is a massive overstatement.
Sailing Impi did fine in the Roaring 40s but you're on point for unreinforced boats.
I’ve got an FP and live in the Roaring 40’s. Saw every single Parlay Revival video, including their bulkhead repairs. The Lagoon 450 bulkheads are thin ply and are not fibre glassed into the hulls properly. You can see it with your own eyes in the videos when Colin strips everything around the bulkheads right down to the hulls. I ran back to my Orana and checked my bulkheads when I saw Colin’s nightmare of a situation. Our FP bulkheads are thick and very well glassed into the hulls. Yes, FP’s are total production boats and have their own set of issues, but one thing is for sure, our FP does not have structural bulkhead issues like Lagoon 450’s do. And we sail in the Roaring 40’s only….hardly a creak, with a level cockpit floor using a pulled string from port to starboard deck, just like Colin did, which the proper way to check if the boat’s hulls are straight or not. (Not with a vertical level at the walls). Anyway, just saying, FP’s and Lagoons are not the same in this regard.
cool 24k subscribers! congrats Dauntless crew! 👍👍
great video guys!
@0:59 Also David Shih. He's done an excellent series of videos on the topic.
LOL! You knew it.
I hate agree with the rest…Lagoon screwed up with quality control. I don’t think they are high on my list of great cats right now.
Hoping Ben and Ash on Nahoa who are hang bulkhead problems are aware of this statement by Lagoon.
Of course by now you are aware that Ben and Ashley had a leak and subsequent rotted out core of the bridge deck. Their bulkheads were ok. Not sure what, if anything other than advice, Lagoon did for them although it appears that Lagoon as part of the Beneteau Corporation, like to rely on non-disclosure agreements.
glad that your boat is ok. What's apparent is the lack of proper engineering process by Lagoon.
Critical bulkheads cannot be appropriately spec'd unless FMEA, FEA (or classical calculations), risk assessment and safety factors have been applied.
Properly 'engineered' designs don't just fail.
It's a clear failure by Lagoon.
Keep up 👍
Impressive work , great team
D2 looks amazing in the water
I second that 😄
Well its not just the lagoona 450's that are having bulk head issues its all lagoon models that are having trouble with bad bulkheads . The 450's just brought the problem out into the open is all .
Yes, we saw this problem on every 440 we looked at. Way under designed as standard by Lagoon.
Good video.
Vertical assessment is referred as "plumb" on the level (tool).
Horizontal assessment is referred as "level" on the tool.
Nothing like selling a boat better then factory 😉
I love watching you guys 👦 ❤️ 💕 ♥️ 💙 💛 👦
This is not the first channel I've seen with these damaged bulkheads.
when dredging are you allowed to send the tailings into the canal? or do you need to remove them? seems like the canal would get silted in if everyone sent the tailings adrift.
I wouldn't trust nothing lagoon says it's basically damage control at this point. They dropped the ball completely
Did you run a tight string across the cockpit deck from port to starboard to check if the hulls were straight? That’s the proper way to check for that. There should be no gap between the string and your deck. If there is, then your hulls are not straight.
already done. 3mm gap at center
I would like to know all that I can about bulkhead failure. Andy Boy of Avalon has a Wormwood 55 he had to re-enforce his forward bulkhead. Andy said that catamarans walk as they bounce over the waves. You can look for forward windows on the extreme left & right side of the saloon to leak. I never considered the hulls going toe up, and toe down agains each other.
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@ 18:43 I think its called plumb not level but we know what you mean. lol
OMG it seems it Never ends with the Repairs Just when I thought you had Done your not Quite lol Once again ill say it who ever get to buy this Boat is going to be well happy
Hi guys from western Australia
Really, it is ok for Maddie to be on her own path, but I am just starting this video and thinking "Maddie is back! Yes! "
I dont like what Lagoon have said in this letter. They are aware of the structural bulkhead issue , but in the next breath say it wont casue the dismasting of the boat. I dont agree. If the rig temsion is so loose after these bulkhead failures , the rig will be the first thing that comes down in a strong blow. I agree with one of the comments below. Lagoon is not a BLUE WATER CRUISER.
Also unless I misread it, the language used just sounds like lawyer speak limiting liability. All the bulkheads across numerous lagoon models are suspect, yet the only guarantee one of the bulkheads in relation to the aspect of safety while at sea.
Well over 200 owners have had the same failures as well as it takes no rocket scientist to KNOW that somewhere there was cost cutting and this is the absolute most important area of the vessel!!!!! The ply being installed in that fashion is an epic failure from conception to actual placement! To save wieght!? So for a few pounds on each BH, to not be top heavy others may say, I would say perhaps all of the above! Regardless as a person born and raised on the GOM, this failure is what it is! The fact that they sold so many, I would say that they are so fortunate to not have deaths on their hands as a result of the poor engineering, cost cutting or simple ignorance of the single most important structual component!
SOMEBODY! SHOULD SUE THEM! This is obviously 🙄 a design flaw. They should pay for the Repairs! On Everyones Boats! Honestly!
Totally agree… I understand this is essentially a sales video to get rid of his 450… but to say that you will not lose your mast when the rigging is under tensioned to that extent is misleading and dangerous…. The 450 should be recalled… I also still can’t get my head around how the Leopard 50 completely sank and another one completely burnt to the ground… wowsy
Good to see your reporting on the bulkheads. Good luck with meeting the subscriber target, you deserve it as your videos are informative. I am getting bored of the other channels videos about beach barbecues... I am hoping to get to 300 subscribers soon!
I have not seen any consideration of two problems. 1. differential expansion between wood and fiberglass. The boats were built in a dry environment and now are in a varied humid environment. The change in moisture in the wood causes expansion and contraction of the wood (even plywood ) that puts a shear load in the fiberglass and wood joint ultimately destroying the bond. This may take some time but it will happen. The best practice is fiberglass to fiberglass joints which have THE SAME EXPANSION AND CONTRACTION. Thus there is no shear at the glass to glass interface.
Even using different resin or fiber systems around joints can cause problems. There is considerable experience with this problem in the aircraft field. 2. Stress/strength calculations are usually made on dry wood. Wood when moist has a considerable drop in strength. Calculations should be made on wood that has been in a humid environment. West Systems has a very good book on wooden boat building. Many of the techniques shown also apply to plastic composite boat building. Another consideration in building a boat is loads. Static loads can be easily calculated but dynamic loads are much more difficult. The faster the boat goes the greater the difficulty. I would suggest that safety factors of 2 or 3 may not be adequate on faster boats and 5 to 10 in certain cases should be used. This does not mean the whole boat but only the parts that experience high stress. csmale9@gmail.com
There are actually a LOT of glass on ply boats out there working just fine, so this shouldn't end up being an issue. Though, Lagoon really needs to get with the times and switch to foam core, which would eliminate any potential sheering issues, AND save weight, something Lagoons have a real problem with. Unfortunately foam core is more expensive, and since they are paying for French labor, that would make their margins even smaller while they are competing with boat builders in Asia and SA where labor rates are significantly lower.
Will have to do the bulkhead on D2 too?
D2 is a Leopard, not a Lagoon, and at this point I've not heard of any other cats than the Lagoon 450 specifically having this kind of systemic issue. Primarily because most catamarans are designed with safety margins built in, and because they experience significantly higher stresses than monohulls, tend to have very large safety margins built in. Unfortunately in this instance, Lagoon implemented a design that appears to only just barely meet the stress requirements of the boat sitting in calm water and forgot about safety margins.
Thank you for sharing the letter from Lagoon. I don't have a dog in this fight. I will stay out of it. I enjoyed the episode. I'm looking forward to part 2.
David Lihn is in the process of fixing his bulkheads
Lagoon I have mixed opinions on this company as not only I watch parley I’ve also follow travelsketch and I’m absolutely discussed with there manufacturing and after sales warranty I also see that Sisu have now an issue with delaminating windows it looks like they only manufacture boats on a Friday!
I didn't know you had a lagoon. I thought you had two leopards.
So are you saying that a cat’s rigging is looser than a monohull? You don’t use a tension gauge on a cat? It’s hard to believe that all these of the damaged Lagoons were from improper tension.
That and before Colin started investigating his bulkheads, he had a rigging specialist check his rigging. There was nothing wrong with it. It was that rigging specialist who told Colin he had to check his bulkheads.
I am impressed with you guys on how you handled and are handling this situation. It is very thoughtful and methodical. I now respect your opinion more and am happy to hear that the Lagoon cats are in fact seaworthy. My thoughts is that with so many lagoon 450s on the water that there has to be an explanation. I saw the Parly videos and for sure they had good reason to be worried and they did have an issue that they had to deal with during some very difficult times. I think it does no good for any Lagoon owner if the company were to go out of business and I think the Lagoon 450 owners should rally around the company for their own good and that is exactly what you are doing in the end. For those that don't know what "finite analysis" is. It is a discipline in the mechanical engineering world to determine how strong a structure is. You guys did the very best thing for yourselves. Congrats. You guys are awesome. I love watching your content and hope this channel grows immensely. Happy sailing.
Uhh, those lagoon,s??? Charter fair weather boats me thinks! Run them hard doing crossings not so great.
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Did you mention bulkheads on a Lagoon? You are amazing! and yes, I have been following Parley for years! Looking forward to your next steps!
I sent you guys a note about interest and never heard back. Very disappointed. I am interested and will thank her as is..
Craven, I apologize for not getting back to you. We received a lot of spam and some messages got lost in the mess. Please send us an email referencing this discussing and your youtube handle and I will be sure to get back to you. Thanks for watching!
No way would I buy a Lagoon EVER!
It's a Lagoon. ?
@End - Oh noooo... You stopped when it was getting really interesting.. I don't like you Ty!! Still, good luuuuuuccccck and loads of love... Please give us some Tips and Tricks in the next video..
I call bs on not being a danger, James boat broke in half......
Well it would seem that Lagoon are behaving in a responsible fashion and paying for the reinforcement. As regards The guys that Ty mentioned had broken bulkheads, we don't know what Lagoons response has been other than they took the reports seriously. Overall a good response, a manufacturer running away would have simply said it was the owners fault due to over tensioning.
On my cat the chain plates are perhaps underspecified and leaks around them have rotted some bulkheads but the manufacturer is no longer there. It's down to me to sort, this is why owners groups are so useful to join, I can be on top of the problem before it happens. Great video.
Lagoons initial response was to try and bury this, hide it, and throw Collin under the bus. Lagoon only started doing right by their customers after they were forced into it by plummeting market values for the 450.
If Lagoon knows there's an issue with thier bulkheads ,why aren't they doing a recall or at the very least fix the broken bulkheads. It seems the responsibility belongs to lagoon to fix the bulkheads.
I definitely would not buy a lagoon 450 unless its on the cheap.
…even if it was super cheap I wouldn’t touch it, disaster waiting to happen unless fully redone and reinforced.
i am in the market for a similar cat, and agree. I could fix it like Colin did, and know it is done correctly. I do not feel the bandaid solution Lagoon is recommending is adequate.
The only Lagoon I’d ever buy is Parlay Revival….that boat is now bullet proof with regards to hull and bulkhead strength. 💪🏼 Their only Achilles heel is lightning 😩⚡️
that letter is one of the most absurd pos letters ive ever seen. show that letter to the guy who had to rope his two hulls together at sea. cant believe anyone (the marine consultant) would be dumb enough to suggest no risks from a broken bulkhead.
An FYI That is not level it is plumb
Sailing sailing Nahoa has the same problem too another Lagoon
No, they don't. They had rotten floorboards due to water ingress, an entirely different issue, and something found on all old boats not properly refitted. The bulkheads on their 14-year-old, great-deal-at-the-time, ex-charter-bought and sailed halfway around the world-boat is just fine. And the repair was relatively minor. But they sure milked the Lagoon thing. Imagine buying a decade-and-a-half old Ford RV and complaining about rust on the chassis, or broken tie rods. That's what everyone is missing here.
@Mal I respectfully disagree. It is the same thing. What I see is a bunch of you-tubers shoe-stringing adventures on old, ex-charter boats. By definition, most of them don't have money (which is why the attention-grabbing Patron-strategies), they buy boats without having proper sureveys done (because, expensive), most of them are unqualified and learn on-the-job to fix obvious things (bit of epoxy, paint, etc) but often only cosmetically, easy stuff. Then they load up their loved ones and off they go, their lives in their own hands, not the way-back manufacturer of the vessel. And suddenly discover rigging or structural issues halfway across the world, then try to milk the 2008 manufacturer.
Maybe a bit more introspection is in order. The manufacturer warranty expired long time ago, for good reason, and despite the "influencer" hysteria, this particular issue is not life-threatening.
Anyway, Lagoon did eventually come to the party on the 450, even if it took a bit long to understand the issue (which generally appears on much older boats).
Bottom line… don’t take a lagoon offshore unless you have support.. build for coastal waters and chartering
@Mal Riiiiiight... so where does one draw the line? Or more succinctly, where is YOUR personal line? None of these vessels sank during the period that the warranty was in place; and you misunderstand EC rating: it is not forever-ever into the next century regardless of age or service or usage history, whatever the product from aeroplane or ship or vehicle. If Lagoon sells you the second-hand ship you have legal recourse and no doubt they would have honoured it straight off the bat, as the knowing seller. But how old should a vessel be before you would think maybe, just MAYBE, one should check the thing out thoroughly before loading your family up and sailing around the world? On the expiry of warranty? 5 years beyond warranty? 10 years? Is 20 years OK, or can one rely on blaming the manufacturer many years into the future, while hanging onto some mid-Atlantic flotsam? In this case (Lagoon, for whom I hold no brief) is - luckily for all the ambulance-chasing UA-camrs - still in business; the whole thing would have been moot if there wasn't the possibility of a free lunch. Best of all: they all bought on price, whether salvaged or just secondhand.
Meanwhile, elsewhere, there are plenty of people who buy older yachts and do a proper, nails-and-bolts bottom-up job of reconditioning before taking on something as arduous as a circumnavigation. See SAIL LIFE. etc. (Or buy new: no Lagoon has sunk within its warranty period.)
You're right, of course: this is not a car, it is much more intrepid to be stranded out in mid-ocean than on land.
Anyway, we can differ on this, but my feeling is that individuals should take some responsibility instead of this unseemly business of brand-mailing a manufacturer who did not ask questions about sorting out warranty issues, only old, ex-charter boats. Age matters. If you're buying a used boat with balsa sandwich construction and of unknown provenance (charter) then expect to do some work on everything from checking osmosis to water ingress on stress points to rigging to measuring variances and angles.
@@jacquesleroux5882 I don't think that section of rot they found can account for all the additional flexing
Laughable response from Lagoon.
😂 yea a couple hundred people over tightened the riging dude you sold out
Is they spent another $1,000 on the bulk heads and built them like their lives depend on it (like yours) this wouldn't be a problem. I would not take the "there is no danger" quote and stuff it up their a___
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PREVENTION: #1 Don’t buy hurricane damage Catamarans. #2 Don’t over tension your mast lines so tight that you break your bulkhead. Collin is guilty of both of these.
I guess only Lagoon owners are #1 buying hurricane damaged catamarans #2 over tightening their rigging !!
Yeah right !
And you’re saying the poor design of the bulkheads strength had nothing to do with it. Ha.
@@bmanley80 I’m saying to can take the man out of the trailer park but you can’t take the trailer park out of the man!
@@jamielancaster01NO, you are just saying(repeatedly) that you don't know what you are talking about. But please continue to dazzle us with your ignorance.
@@taylorhickman84 Who are you? I’ve been a Marine Engineer (PE, NE, & MSB certified) for 17 yrs so I might know a little bit about the subject.
Checking the level by flouting?? WTF. Forgot firt to check salin flor + dech horizontaly. To know that both hauls are at the same possition inside de watter! By the video title, I have watched all the vídeo, to see condition of the bulkheads of your s.v. lagoon 45. But you made a sabotage. And because the girls of your family are lowly persons, I will continua to give tams-up.
I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but won't a major storm cause a lot of damage to any boat?
A boat which was damaged by a storm which was strong enough to rip that boat from its mooring and throw it onto a beach, is going to have quite a bit of breakage throughout the structure. If a large, steel hulled fishing boat can be torn in half by a storm, then it is a safe bet that cruising boats can suffer, as well.
Purchasing a storm-damaged boat is always a risk. Purchasing a used charter boat is also a risk, as there is always the chance that the charter boat has been abused by being beached at speed, has had the rigging played with, and many other things which could cause structural damage. I've witnessed charter boats being beached while under full sail, slamming to a stop; that's certain to cause structural damage.
I am not giving any company a pass. I am voicing a concern that too many people are purchasing storm damaged and/or much-used boats, without complete structural analyses being performed.
Colin of Parlay Revival is a full-on engineer and LOOKED at every single problem with an engineer's eye, knowing that the tiniest crack can lead to major failures. Colin has proven that his intelligence, hard-learned and earned skills, and incredible abilities, have transformed his boat into a safe and superb world traveling catamaran. (also, every person who has been on the remarkable journey of bringing Parlay back to life)
A level head, patience and lots of communication with buyers, sellers and manufacturers, is what is needed.
Thank you for sharing and I'm so glad that Sailing Dauntless, Parlay Revival and the many other UA-cam channels have taken the time to calmly and rationally address this situation.
Unfortunately the 450 bulkhead problem was not affecting just storm damaged boats. It was also affecting boats that had never had their rigs re-tensioned after they left the factory. There were more than 60 owners within a few months of Collin's first videos about this reporting damaged bulkheads many of whom had never sailed in rough conditions.
It would be one thing if Lagoon had said "oh shit guys, yeah, this is an issue, let's get it taken care of" but their initial behavior was to try to bury it and blame the owners until it became so obvious that it was a design issue that it started impacting the market value of their boats, only then did they decide to do the right thing.
@@FlesHBoX You addressed two of the points which I made, then went off on a tangent.
Most of the now privately owned Lagoon 450 cats out there were originally charter boats. Have you ever watched the behavior of people who have chartered boats and who have crewed the boats themselves? I have. LOTS of drinking and partying, with little to no regard for the proper handling of the vessel. More than a few of these were beached while under power of both engines and/or full sail.
Also, there is the fact that people have stressed the structural integrity of the boats by improperly sailing/motoring them in heavy seas.
Yes, there apparently is a design flaw in the bulkhead(s). That is finally, finally being addressed, which is a good thing.
However, for people to jump on the "sue! sue! sue!" bandwagon, without looking at the shared responsibilities of the manufacture AND the people who have abused the boats when they were chartered, is something which also needs addressing.
@@FlesHBoX I can’t imagine many owners would routinely attempt to tension standing rigging, and why would they need to , unless it had gone slack , and why would it unless there were already a problem ? I think the real answer is probably the boats were built down to a price rather than up to a quality .
@@leonply When people who are original owners of boats that have very low miles on them and have never had their rig adjusted are having the exact same issues, it doesn't matter if some of the boats are charter boats. It doesn't matter if some people DID abuse their boats, and it doesn't matter if some boats did encounter heavy seas or storms. When boats that have lived very lazy lives are having this issue, the responsibility lies 100% on Lagoon for improperly designing their boats (and from the sound of it either greasing some wheels to get the design past regulatory bodies, or altering the design post- approval to save some pennies).
When boats sitting in calm waters are experiencing buckling bulkheads, the only amazing thing about the boats that have been abused is that they didn't start falling apart sooner, lol.
And for Lagoon to start out by denying and trying to hide this issue, anyone defending them is either ignorant, an owner who doesn't want to lose money on theirs, or a shill.
I've never said that Lagoon should be sued, but I have said that I will never own a Lagoon even if they DID make a boat that I was interested in.
@@paulkopp3634 Exactly. Lagoon just cannot compete with the other boats in their category that are made in SA or Asia without making compromises. And since Lagoon makes most of their money selling to charters in the fair weather areas, they make even more compromises thinking it won't be a big deal since these boats will never see heavy seas... except that they have no problem selling these compromised boats to individuals who very well may take them out of the marina every once in a while.. lol
I call bs
blah blah blah saying nothing less it costs me a nickel. Keep feeding at the bottom.
It a Lafail 450f failure in it title. They (Lafail) cut corners to get more profit. Now all the bulkheads are failing. Unless you cut it apart like Colin and David did you will encounter the same problem. If selling the boat then that crappy fix kit they sent you will get the boat sold to some unexpecting sailor for it to Lafail on him and his family. They all should have to bought back by Lafail and scraped or they can repair properly and resell. Lafail didn’t care about the customers safety to put out such a crappy boat like that. JT HOOKED N ROLLING OFFSHORE 🇺🇸🇺🇸🐠🐟🎣🛥