Now THIS surprised me....IVE - I AM (LIVE SINGING vs. MV)
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IVE - I AM (MV vs. LIVE VOCALS) reaction/analyses by vocal coach/ analyses from vocal coach! Enjoy :)
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She literally said that wonyoung can support some notes at the first line and even acknowledged why she can't support the lower notes cause its harder to do so. She even said that wonyoung is nicely supported at her bridge part. The fact that she wants other members to join in on yujin's high notes is a contrast to K pop fans who want the other members to give up on high notes.
Wonyoung has a great voice for sure I wish my girl would be more confident in it
@@sliverhalo9286 Instead of flapping Ur mouth, can U go check their wild tour stages! WONYOUNG literally singing louder than the backtrack
@@theewool I am not insulting her.. I love her shes one of my ult bias! Her parts in Kitsch, Love Dive, and her deep part in My Satisfaction are literally my favs
Liz and Yujin are the ones who stole your heart (and mine too). I feel like Liz and Yujin are so underrated nowadays, they have amazing voices and beautiful tones, my fav is Liz (and my bias) but with these girls I just love them all, but if we only talk about vocals Liz and Yujin are scene-stealers.
And Wonyoung
@@RevaPochampally725 No offense, but when the OP was expressing their opinion and love for the two, you simply smacked "and Wonyoung" without any explanation. It feels toxic. As expected, that's why I dislike dives like your.
Yujin sounds so flat
finally yujin is getting attention she deserves for her vocals 🔥 can't believe some people say she can't sing
"Some people" don't know what they're talking about.
They definitely never watch produce 48 lmao her raw vocal sounds good
They haven't saw her performance like woman like me fr💖
some things to actually note:
the members you praised are actually the main vocalists of the group, and the second member who sang the "i'm on way" part is actually a rapper and a dancer of the group. i was actually pleasantly surprised they gave her that part but i think she did very well. also, i personally love their festival performances of this song because even if it's obviously more flawed given that they perform a lot of songs in their set, their power and energy while singing it is greater that it delivers the song so well.
and i'm glad their voices are getting appreciated because i've seen so many people disrespect them for so long.
I actually thought the rap part should of went to REI... from what I heard and read politics played into it
Even though wonyoung is not a wow vocalist I like her voice tone the most ❤
indeed,she has a beautiful voice
Same here!
16:40 that's not a backing track, it's the girl in the middle (Yujin) doing second voice
IVE really took the critism very well and i'm here for it
Keep improving my girlssss
The persons you want to see duet are Yujin (the leader, the middle) and Liz (the lead vocalist). They actually have a live duet in their concert. They covered Jessie J's Flashlight (from Pitch Perfect 2). You can search "IVE Flashlight Yujin Liz" and clips should easily appear. Enjoy, and thank you for showing our girls love!
liz is the main vocalist babe
liz is main vocalist, yujin is the lead
they don't really have specific positions for vocalists but it's quiet obvious both liz and yujin are main vocalists but i'm gonna assume you just mislabeled it
I watch them sing at the concert yesterday, they nailed it
Liz have a better technique and a better vocal range so she is main vocalist too
Thank you for your reaction. IVE has a lot of potential, Yujin & Liz are very good already and with more training they can be great. All the members improved a lot in the one year they’ve been active and I think they will continue to improve in the future. I feel like the kpop community sometimes forgets that we are criticizing most of the time rookie artists that are teenagers, they have all the time in the world to develop. It was nice to see someone so positive and nice.
the two members that you praised is actually did a duo in their fancon. flashlight by jessie j and gravity by taeyeon. you can search "ive yujin and liz flashlight" and " ive yujin and liz gravity". both of them are the strongest vocalist in ive and they're the one that incharged for the high notes.
Finally! Liz is getting more attention in live performances because you can barely see Liz in the MV. She didn't have much screen time but when it comes to live performances, Liz stands out to me and she's my bias 💕
i saw ive live a couple weeks back and yujin (middle- the leader! you were correct lol) and liz (on the very side that caught ur eye) are crazy good live, without sacrificing dancing too! also they do have a duet ! they've done flashlight by jessie j and gravity by taeyeon, im sure you'd be able to find clips online if ur curious. thanks for reacting to ive! theyre really a lot better than people give them credit for
17:17 yes.. she's the leader of the group An Yujin
I wish you could see Rei in the live, she's very supported too and have a beautiful tone. But she took a break due to health issues.
She can't supported but stable...only liz supported
rei recently came back! however since its after the i am promotion we can only hear her when theyre performing in fan concerts
@@azabache1525 this is such an ignorant comment to make. Just cause they haven't been trained to have a proper vocal technique doesn't take away their innate vocal talent. They obviously are born-talented people. it's quite misogynistic to just reduce them to "just pretty ghirls".
@@azabache1525yujin can support though?
@@lavienrosewon8811 Did you see the video? Yujin can support but people are just ignorant and try to make IVE a group with only one good vocalist when Yujin is too
The girl at 22:28 is Liz. She is the main vocalist and my bias and her voice is sooo good :) I’ll say she is in the top 10 best 4 gen vocalist. Not the 1 but she is still my favourite :)
I think the original singer Rei who sang the first part of the song was not there due to health issues and she has a very unique tone, maybe that's why the song was a bit off at the start of the live performance.
No this is not her
So Yujin can support? all this time they discredited her and they hated her because she is f+ in the vocal tier when the reality is that she does have a sense of support and is a good vocalist
She also said Wonyoung has support too
Yujin does support inconsistently, Wonyoung is relaxed as far as I know same as Rei and Gaeul at times. Never heard Wonyoung fully supporting a note
She's not but very close
@@staywhitme3778 she can but only few with Inconsistententcy
@@multifan6679 the creator clearly said this
Also she did supported some notes you can hear in I've 3 123 ep 7 and in i am live encore her bridge part
I am a professional myself and learning music since 4-5 years
The sad fact is that Rei (pink hair) couldn't participate in the It's Live video, due to his hiatus. So Liz and Leeseo replaced Rei's parts, and they were very good at replacing her
The two you always notice has their unit stage at their fan concert. They performed flashlight, maybe you want to see it :)
Still so upset cuz "professional" tiktok coaches saying that Ive can't sing 😶 All these vocal tiers like F-/F+ are so stupid
oh some of the tiktok "rankings" are really unhinged. I saw Taeyon in B- tier, Wendy in C. Crazy.
Like to be perfectly clear: there are two obviously good singers in IVE - rest of them are either rap or background vocals. So I would focus on the two main voices and their ranking being F- is crazy.
@@Katriinka This may sound really dumb, but what are their tiers then? I'm really interested to hear from a vocal coach (but tbh the tiers are really outdated and doesn't show an idol's full potential so)
@@KennethKennedy1106id like to know too
@@KatriinkaRight, when in reality they’re both proficient (B+). I’ve are very good singers, but in tiktok rankings, based on KVA I think, Liz (the one you said she had your heart) is only a D (mid W-A) and the rest Yujin, Rei, Wonyoung, Leeseo and Gaeul, are in F+ tier. I really don’t understand why but there notes sound so well executed!
so proud of my girls, they all improved alot this era and deserve more credit for their talents. thank you for reacting to them!
I know many people think it's "Fire" when she belts that note near the end, but it's really "Fly Up". I definitely was mistaken. but they really killed this song. and it's definitely shows all their own potential in their own way, I really enjoy your reviews and reactions. Especially when people write off K-Pop as just a pop genre that has no real talent.
and that's why yujin is my bias and liz is my bias wrecker (i like the others too)
IVE my girlies... i think you should listen to more of their songs! because the way they're so good at just blending their voices to the concept??? i know they're not the best vocally but to me their songs and performances are better than the vocally superior ones BECAUSE they're amazing at adapting to the songs! also i just love them in general lol
Really enjoyed this video! Had more of a coaching perspective/analysis and I really liked the "try it at home" part for "Fire!" (I did!). I hope you do more of these MV vs live comparisons.
You should try ive's royal! The vocalists there really shined
omg yes
Just watched the video and funny thing about you mentioning that it would be great if Yujin (girl in the middle) and Liz (furthest left) had a duet. They do now! They covered a song called Gravity in their first fanconcert, you should check it out! Thanks for appreciating our girls' vocals
At 16:57 while Liz (left most girl, main vocalist) is singing, I’m pretty sure it’s not a backing track. It was actually Yujin (girl in the middle, leader and main vocalist) who was singing together with her that got mistaken as a backing track.
There is for sure some backtrack and post editing done (you can hear it in the chorus and the editing is also audible cause some parts have a robotic sound, especially the high notes). But those are all things that IVE has no control over, they are done by the studio...the only way to fully hear their live capabilities is during encores
i got my tickets for ive show what i have tour already and i am so excited it was well spent money cause despise what people have spread ive are always perfecting their live performances...most of their song are very challenging vocally and i dont mind them having a bit easier choreos cause they really sound amazing and they have no trouble filling the stage rn my favorite gg ❤ i think they're awesome and are skilled on everything the main singers sing really well the dancers dance really well rappers write their own lyrics i think starship hit the jackpot w these girls ❤️🔥
I hope you have fun at the concert!
I love how IVE did so well for this song❤
I don't know if it's just me, but the KVA system (Korean Vocal Analysis or Vocal Tiers) is generally a bad way to categorize singers only by their supported range. There is so much more nuance that comes into vocal technique such as breathing, support, projection, tone, and interpretation. From what I've seen (and I've seen a lot) the supported range of a singer is based off of that diaphraghmic sound that comes out of them, disregarding the balance mixed that most kpop idols tend to use and is later categorized by these "vocal analysts" as unsupported, tensioned, or even strained. The current trend of "resonated, supported, strained" inside the kpop community ruins kpop a bit, as I've seen idols getting called a terrible singer for straining one note during the whole performance. Vocal Tiers discredit the talent that idols genuinely possess.
honestly, this is why it is confusing for me. There are various techniques of singing certain tones- many different ways to get to it. I have seen a really amazing singer using more pop rock system of higher tones - masked singing, with frontal resonance and a bit of texture (like Chester from Linkin Park and Taka from One Ok Rock). He was classified as straining and unsupported every time. I was CONFUSED. Like every time I think I get it dont? But your explanation helped a lot, cause now I understand that it is only based on a very specific singing technique that is in trend (correct? ) Thank you so much! I love to discuss with people, cause it helps tons for many to understand better!
@@Katriinka Yes! The trend of the KVA (Kpop Vocal Analysis) is mainly biased from what I've seen. It is based solely on Vocal Technique as they claim. Thus, if it doesn't sound pleasant to their ears, it's categorized as "pushy" "tense" or "strained".
The prime example of this when I was let down the most was when I saw a vocal analysis for DIMASH using this system, with the video classifying him as a C TIER AVERAGE SINGER as they claimed his G#4's and above are pushy and that his mix is strained and tensed, and that his technique is decent at best.
It saddens me that people rely on these vocal tiers, because some of the videos are actually quite unhinged and often inaccurate.
@@CL-uu7hi I know so many singers who would be completely bashed in that system like LiSA or (omg so many other japanese singers, cause of the japanese style of singing?! Now I just realized it). While those singers are INCREDIBLE. Their technique is HARD. Thanks for replying and chatting, it is making more sense now.
As long as healthy technique, it is OK. As a singer, they should have at least more than one style singing technique. Listen many genre of music to develop the preferences, because habit create the taste. So if you only listen Kpop, if other singers use different vocal technique that kpop idols use, you think it is bad technique because of your taste.
I really like and agree with the part that you said in the end. Thank you for making this video
thank you for making this video! i love that you weren’t holding back on your comments and the explanations you gave were really clear and understandable. you were right about the 2 singers being strong vocalist as they’re both considered main vocalists. hope you can discover their duo vocal performances in their prom queens fancon :)
Please react to them singing IAM in their concert!! Their energy is so good
I'd love to see you react to more of liz' and yujin's vocals...they did a cover of jessie j's flashlight
i’d love to see your reaction to the I AM encore!!
after music show one? I heard about encores (with background music and sounds removed, right?) but I feel (overall, for everyone, not just IVE) that those are a little bit unfair to judge. They are there for hours, exhausted, standing up and taping forever, plus many of them hungry and depleted of energy after all the preps for comeback. I head many groups sang ... well, not good or really bad on these encores. I might try to defend them here a bit - I dont think it is a fair judgement there. It is only my opinion :) I would love to see them on The First Take though, one of the best non edited shows! :)
Thanks for the IVE reaction! You're right those high tones really seem difficult to pull off but they did splendidly and must have really really practised a lot! The one girl that keeps grabbing your attention is Liz; she's absolutely amazing and really stood out to me since their debut cause there's so much power and conviction in her voice! With Wonyoung she may not be the best singer but I do think she's been holding herself well and does have a nice tone of voice. All of IVE do and yeah I think their team is doing a great job in showcasing everyone's unique points etc! On a completely unrelated note, I have a suggestion/request for you! It's actually a JPop request and it's someone you reacted once on your channel before! Do you remember Suzuki Airi? You reacted to The First Take Video where she was 2nd voice to Suzuki Masayuki in DADDY DADDY DO. Quite recently she did a full song cover to Yoasobi's IDOL! If you look up Suzuki Airi Idol or 鈴木愛理 アイドル, you should be able to find the official cover video uploaded on UA-cam! She performed it on a TV show using a fully karaoke version but she added her own background vocals and harmonies etc! She was formerly in an idol group herself, but now she has a solo singing career. She really gave her heart in interpreting that song in her own way and gave a jaw-dropping performance that even had Yoasobi commenting on it on Twitter and thanking her for giving a new life/expression to the song. Please check it out/react to it! I think you'll enjoy it!!
Im so excited ❤
Simplemente la mejor coach
Thanks for this video, Yujin can really support and I'm glad that now I have a video to show the haters
She can’t though…it’s not hating it’s just the truth
@@user-tw1zv8ki9q did you see the video? or did you just completely ignore it?
@@Chaewonnyepansito no I saw it. She can’t support though.
@@user-tw1zv8ki9q who should i believe? to a random person or to the vocal coach?
@@Chaewonnyepansito my opinion is based on many more informed and reliable vocal coaches. Believe what you want though
Liz is my most favourite voice in the entire kpop
It would be amazing if I could do a reaction to Liz singing 'Love wins all'. I learn a lot from your analyses.
i recommend watching their performances on university festivals!
21:36 Yep yep yep, it was easier than I thought on my first listen to this song. I recorded for three times already LOL
22:17 and this is what makes me love Liz, she has a great vocal
I Love This!! ❤
Btw Rei wasn't able to promote 'I Am' Live because of her Health so some of the Other Members did her Lines!! 🥰
cant wait
You should definitely react to Ive more
yujin can support? my girl is always lowered and discredited by the vocal tier unfairly :c is so sad
Just vocal training is Wow....
the middle girl = An Yujin , thank you
16:50 that wasn't a backing track it was Yujin
라이브 버전도 뮤비랑 많이 다르진 않습니다. 대개 AR을 깔아놓기도 하거니와 라이브 보컬 역시 안정적인 편이라서요. 다만 역시 춤추면서 하는지라 호흡에 부담이 있는 건 사실이죠. AR을 일정 부분 틀어놓는 이유기도 하고.
both of yujin ( the middle girl) and liz (the one you compliment) did a cover of taeyeon gravity!
I used to take critical vocal lessons because of my college a cappella ensemble ... I made the mistake of bringing up what you mentioned here in the IVE videos and those fans went into a rage and called me a hater and were quite brutal.... If the average mass took voice lessons themselves they would know exactly what is being said here.... Popular music is about being easily memorable catchy, pandering and tickling the ears like a jingle... That being said, most of the public also doesn't know when it comes to MV, it is heavily mixed and produced ... Even in major concerts there are back tracks being mixed into their live voice feed as well as vocal effects being applied .... Then that's when fans start to question some of these Pop artist why they sound so different from their albums when they sing without any accompaniment, raw direct mic feec to amp feed ... Regardless I appreciate the concept of Pop music
넘~좋았어요.👍🫰리액션이
Liz and Yujin appreciation
My goodness your voice 😮
Please we need more IVE reactions oooo please react to Liz on Lee Mujin service!!!
항상 고마워.
Superb analysis. Can you react to Liz Leemujin service (the singer you praised) and also recent IVE Either Way 360 sound bomb? Its live. Thank you
16:45 it was yujin actually not the backing track 😁
in the "I'll be far away" Liz sings the main part and Gaeul sings a different version where her voice goes down instead of up 😄
you mean in lower key ? like harmony ?
I'm so happy the YT algorithm showed me your reaction! Finally, someone said what I've always been thinking. I don't want a carbon copy from MV to live performance. It's those beautiful quirks and quarks that I want to hear!!! Great job. I would absolutely love to see a collab between you and さきここVoice. Could I make a recommendation? Check out &Team 😉 you will most definitely not be disappointed! Thanks again!
Yup the middle one is the leader!
I agree on the fire part… its sounds more vibrants and refreshing if they sing it together… and gurl, youre not the only one who wants Yujin and Liz duet… ME TOO ❤❤❤❤
This song i like
Hi you!!!
I love how you explain IVE, all of them have their own color range voice right. How about you watch my man MONSTA X, too? ☺️
7:13 its not "fire", its" Fly up"
I would like to see her reacting to the girl's encore performance. They stayed there, and there is no pitch correction or backing track.
They have song name girls?? I can't find it?
it's crazy
Now Liz and Yujin are slaying in HEYA
❤💜❤~~~~~~~~>>> 잘봤습니다...✌
Please react to their either way song
21:48 I tried this, and I forgot it was 3AM
There are 6 people in the music video, but 5 people in the live stage.
yes, because Rei (the pink haired girl in the MV) took hiatus due health issues.
idk if its just me but in the chorus u can tell that the central singer and the one katrinka loves is the only one singing, the other one just barely moves their necks and stuff, so idk if they're just adding layers or are they not singing
This 11:49 - 11:55 is actually rei's, one of ive's rappers, she was absent here because of her health condition.
After lisening to the comperation of their Live Performance and the Music Video I realy dont think that they deserve all the have for there Vocals
Out of topic but i tried doing the 21:47. One of my neighbors knocked at my door and checked on me cause they got worried😭😭
Lmfao
Can you do Mamamoo live vs mv please? Pretty please!
Can i ask something? What's your IVE Vocal Ranking?
Vocal
1. Liz
2. Yujin
3. Rei
4. Leeseo
5. Wonyoung
6. Gaeul
Rapping
1. Rei
2. Gaeul
3. Leeseo, Liz, Yujin, wonyoung
Vocal
1. Liz
2. Yujin
3. Rei
4. Gaeul
5. Wonyoung
6. lesseo
Center : leader yujin, and liz duo vocal good
Please react to their new song either way!
♥
ive good~
I love IVE. I love their music. Their music is iconic. Their discography is flawless. Their title tracks and B-SIDES are really good. Their MVs are top-tier. Their vocals are great. Their rapping is dope. Their dancing is awesome.
I see that you were really liking Liz in this video! I think you should check out her singing a few of Aespas songs completely live! I think she sounds AMAZING and i want to see how you’ll like it and what you have to say!
ua-cam.com/video/x4UpWvWEV-w/v-deo.html
Should we call this analysis...KILLING THE MAGIC?
Day 1 of requesting please of doyoung nct singing live on the show hanni newjeans was on❤❤❤❤love you and I also love Liz tooo she took my attention alotttt!!
algo
I hope ive get better vocal trainning, they have ton potentiel
I think they are getting some cause I see some consistency in certain embelishments here and there. But definitely more focused training, not just stylistic would be great :)
She would chop away my fav part of the song😭 the wony first line
😊
lol, you are talking about a vocal battle between our main vocalist and our main dancer? 😂
but they slay... it's just that Starship gotta let Liz sing more like wtf
gurl liz have the most lines in i am wdym
@@BP-tm6ye she had less lines in one song: Kitsch. and ever since then people keep saying "she needs more lines 😭" as if liz usually isn't in the top 2/3 when it comes to line distribution.
Can u please tell can the middle singer (Yujin) support and what’s her tier?
the vocal tier does not exist for the true vocal coachs so she isn't going to tell you a little letter, the good thing is that now we finally know that Yujin can support, that is what matters
@@KlaraKramarikthe “little letter” is as a matter of fact not a tier, they are made up from people and they are inaccurate, but the tiers do exist and they are something created by experts
originally vocal tier doesn't exist but if u want to understand she's most likely would be ranked in E+/E category or in a other word weak vocalist which means she supports inconsistency
Could you please react to aespa? They've been singing live more often and i would love to hear your opinions on them!
Why is this other video transparent?
In ive just liz can support and yujin is close
are you ignoring the video? Yujin can support what the girl in the video said
@@KlaraKramarik she's not she is just relaxed
@@staywhitme3778 katriinka said that yujin was supporting. who do i have to believe? you or the vocal coach?
Ok stay whit me 3778
Liz❤
I heard both autotune and backtrack but perhaps I heard wrong.
same