Repeatedly saying "no matter what you think of his politics" is either disingenuous or naive when this person Vance is running for vice president. Anyone running for vice president (or any elected office) it's their politics which lead to their policies that are the main thing you should think about!
Exactly. Praising a guy who is so full of it that there should be excrement leaking out of his nose? Vance takes a "thinker's" approach to politics? Where I come from we call a guy like Vance a pathological liar. All "politics" aside.
It's depressing when DN and others are so far gone. It's Glen Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Blumenthal, Tracy and Taibi who now carry the torch for journalistic integrity. Russiagate was ridiculous on its face. Worse was when experienced journalists, confronted by it being exposed as hoax STILL pretend it had any basis in fact. The hysteria around Trump and 'independent media' just reporting the Democrat talking points has been so disappointing. Watching the cult around Biden and the hysteria around Trump (I'm in UK) is ludicrous. I'm stunned so many accept it (and even encourage it🙄)
Vance is a pretentious ass. He'd like to appear smart but really he just a douche. Old tactics. Republicans are always trying to rebrand trickle down politics but they really never change.
He’s a politician so yeah he’s an opportunist, but Ian Ward did a great job highlighting Vance’s political philosophy is deeply thought out and genuine
@JBA034 In no way is it "deeply thought out". Deeply delusional maybe. The delusional belief that you can control everyone by the proselytization of our schools, libraries, public services, and hospitals has been a continuously backfiring plan the world over. All it does is undermine the trust pple have in those institutions. Stop ignoring the establishment clause. "Keep thy religion to thyself" -George Carlin's commandment
Peter Thiel, the right wing billionaire, spent $10 million dollars to get J.D. Vance elected as Ohio Senator. The quote from Louis Brandeis is worth remembering: We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.
Almost every AG in America was sponsored by the rich and most upper crust politicians, including the ones you like, wake up out of your echo chamber lol you can't tell me you think Pelosi and her millions were earned honestly lol
@@bwofficial1776 You might want to check out a paper called: _Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens_ YT won't allow links, but it's easy to find by searching.
It was Republican President Lincoln who freed the slaves. And if you notice, all the big and famous Rappers are on Trump's side. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it is real.
Check out Vance's recent interview remarks about "old cat ladies" and also about stopping divorces even if there's physical violence within the relationship, Etc..
"He thinks liberalism is... a ideology made to serve a...cosmopolitan elite..." Well, yeah, it was the new class called "capitalists" (or "merchant class" or "bourgeoisie"). We were taught that in regular public school US history, not like it was anything bad. Now both parties are economically liberal, but his wants to bring back some of the old medieval social ideology! How can you be for tariffs, you say to protect US workers, but not be for laws and rules that just directly protect workers
Exactly. He is lying. Everything he said about workers and working class, is just a show b/c of his $$$ from Thiel. Which sucks for working class ppl. Nobody is on our side. They are all liars.
To understand the his connection to the working class you should watch the Democracy Now interview with Zaid Jilani and various interviews with economist Oren Cass, most notably the one with Ezra Klein
Wow, what a good place to place the blame. Rupert grew up just up the road from me but is a bit out of reach now to pop a note into his letter box to say STOP!.
Great interview with Ian Ward! Ian’s responses were well articulated, balanced and striking. Vance doesn’t appear to be your standard MAGA or neocon. I definitely want to go and read more of Ian Ward’s works after this video.
Trae Crowder ("Liberal Redneck") had a post this week about meeting James David Vance years ago. Crowder is funny and authentic, unlike Vance. Thiel is the power behind the throne.
Thank you, Ian Ward. You are the first journalist/writer (other than Dr. Gil Doctorow) who has fairly assessed JD Vance's political potential. He complements Trump's bloviating, hyperbole and brings a refreshing independence of thought. Well done.
This is all such a bore. The old playbook of US capitalists funding anti capitalists to rescue the working class. And the media and most Americans fall for this time after time. A complete distraction from discussing the real issue:how capitalists maintain ruling class power, so effortlessly. Amy Goodman plays along with this till the end of time!
Vance reminds me of an modern American version of the French historian and politician who crushed the Paris Commune in 1871 and died 6 years after . Louis Adolphe Thiers became the representative par excellence of the French bourgeoisie, he accepted every form of government in the 19th century as long as he could fill them up with bourgeois content. Vance would fill them up with conservative proletarian content.
Gosh, Vance totally reminds me of Steve Jobs' sales-pitch style. I'm half expecting the latest iMac to rise up from out of the stage. Then a pause. Then the prestige and everyone cheers and he 'smiles'. 🖋
I believe He has the ability to restrain radicalism by persuasion and a better way of organisation of activities in accordance with law. I hope, He will find a way to balance the rights and obligations, responsibility that is a condition for stability. When this balance is broken the tendency of parasitism and anarchy is increased.
He doesn't restrain radicalism, smoothly he normalizes it. He has decided that his soul isn't worth his envy of Trump's power and overt avarice, for which he is slathering.
This guy is so far off in his assessment it's hilarious. The "new right" is the same as the "old left"! JD Vance has been on the same journey as the whole bunch of us. 8 years ago I was terrified of a Trump presidency, this year he gets my vote. The reasons for that are many and varied, but they are all of them rational, and justified. I am not running for VP, i have nothing to gain, i just thought about some stuff and arrived at a different conclusion. Y'all might wanna try it sometime.
I am in many ways the same. I still think Trumps character is despicable. But the policy is mostly right. Regardless, I don't think politics is always particularly rational. Rather, it's often dogmatic and done at a rather gut level. You have any number of people who had didn't have doctrinaire Paul Ryan libertarian style fiscal views and who therefore felt uncomfortable with the country club republican party. Many of these same people, as he rightly noted, are not philosophically Liberals but rather Conservatives.
He’s worked with Democrats more than most on bills including labor bills so not sure he’s as radical as you’re saying . He didn’t sound like it at all either.
Trump was a liberal democrat for the majority of his career. Actually fighting for the little guy isn't where the money and immunity is. Elon, Peter, and Donald all show us that the money is in getting the little guy's money and telling them it's for their own good.
That was then when trump was evil incarnate in his opinion. The Vance of today espouses different views due to seeing which side has the most gravy to give him.
At 16:43, the part left out, was; in and around 2016 was when J. D. married his wife. Now, in 2024 he has been nominated for the V. P. of the United States. Now, all racist, right-wing, rePUBElickins are called-upon to support him!” (Posted to whfsnrt 7/19/2024).
Tech billionaires should not be conflated with other billionaires. Innovation is their end game especially in the artificial intelligence race . The Trump/Vance ticket is more pro innovation. It’s embarrassing that the hosts didn’t even bother doing much homework. Instead, they were just fishing for any grain of extremism. Ian on the other hand seems to have obsessively done his research. However, his interpretations on some info are a bit skewed.
Ladies, with your permission, may I sugest you could give your distinct audience some clues about how they manage the use of language with bad intent? Intent is the key. The hell might even (which I doubt) be filled with good intentions. But bad intentions have no place in the havens. Intention is the key. They will use it against us. Use the use against them. Thank you for your kind attention. ❤️
JD! You are a liar! You talk about stagnant wages then voted against the minimum wage and childcare! You voted against the border bill. You voted against every bill that would help people. You get a Living Wage. Why shouldn't we?
Elon Musk hates unions, with a white-hot passion that has rendered him delusional. In late November, at a New York Times DealBook Summit where the aspiring-to-be-rich gather to get pointers from the actually rich, the Tesla CEO explained that “I disagree with the idea of unions…. I just don’t like anything which creates a lords-and-peasants sort of thing.” In the same interview, Musk-a mega-billionaire who famously threatened, in 2018, to take away the stock options of Tesla workers if they organized to exercise their collective-bargaining rights-griped, “I think the unions naturally try to create negativity in a company.”
I like how apparently an opinion u may have had, or something u said, in 2016 is etched in Stone, never able to be updated or changed even 8 yrs later in 2024, regardless of what u may have learned or what may have transpired over the last 8 years, & the opinion or utterance must define you for evermore.
Repeatedly saying "no matter what you think of his politics" is either disingenuous or naive when this person Vance is running for vice president. Anyone running for vice president (or any elected office) it's their politics which lead to their policies that are the main thing you should think about!
Exactly. Praising a guy who is so full of it that there should be excrement leaking out of his nose? Vance takes a "thinker's" approach to politics? Where I come from we call a guy like Vance a pathological liar. All "politics" aside.
the cult is so pathetic
The cult of leftists like Amy is truly pathetic.
It's depressing when DN and others are so far gone.
It's Glen Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Blumenthal, Tracy and Taibi who now carry the torch for journalistic integrity. Russiagate was ridiculous on its face. Worse was when experienced journalists, confronted by it being exposed as hoax STILL pretend it had any basis in fact.
The hysteria around Trump and 'independent media' just reporting the Democrat talking points has been so disappointing.
Watching the cult around Biden and the hysteria around Trump (I'm in UK) is ludicrous. I'm stunned so many accept it (and even encourage it🙄)
Blue Anon.
@john-paulhunt-r8d People can have opinions. DeaI with it.
So basically, an opportunist .
An organized, connected, funded, and dangerously smart megalomaniacal opportunist.
@@rosemariebredahl9519 my thoughts exactly
Vance is a pretentious ass. He'd like to appear smart but really he just a douche. Old tactics. Republicans are always trying to rebrand trickle down politics but they really never change.
He’s a politician so yeah he’s an opportunist, but Ian Ward did a great job highlighting Vance’s political philosophy is deeply thought out and genuine
@JBA034 In no way is it "deeply thought out". Deeply delusional maybe. The delusional belief that you can control everyone by the proselytization of our schools, libraries, public services, and hospitals has been a continuously backfiring plan the world over. All it does is undermine the trust pple have in those institutions. Stop ignoring the establishment clause.
"Keep thy religion to thyself"
-George Carlin's commandment
Peter Thiel, the right wing billionaire, spent $10 million dollars to get J.D. Vance elected as Ohio Senator.
The quote from Louis Brandeis is worth remembering:
We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.
Almost every AG in America was sponsored by the rich and most upper crust politicians, including the ones you like, wake up out of your echo chamber lol you can't tell me you think Pelosi and her millions were earned honestly lol
You ain't lying
We can have both and we do.
@@bwofficial1776 You might want to check out a paper called:
_Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens_
YT won't allow links, but it's easy to find by searching.
You should see the AIPAC money swirling around in Michigan. The difference is that Peter Thiel is open about it.
NRC. National Racist Convention
what? why?
Did you fail 7th grade?
Did you?
You blind ir deft@@Lp78Ch
@@robertlouis.8826are you deaf???
It was Republican President Lincoln who freed the slaves. And if you notice, all the big and famous Rappers are on Trump's side. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it is real.
Check out Vance's recent interview remarks about "old cat ladies" and also about stopping divorces even if there's physical violence within the relationship, Etc..
Sounds like why I am barely on speaking terms with a lot of people in my family.
He wasn't lying about the old cat ladies.
Have you ever heard the song from Prodigy called "Bi#@h Smack my Hoe"? It's really good. Makes you want to get up and dance.
What did he say about old cat ladies?
@@urbanlark I have a Beauceron.
Your interview with Ian Ward was excellent. He really understands what makes J.D. Vance the way he is.
Democracy Now is the epitome of Liberal Hysteria fear mongering of the other side. wow.
This is a cult and its baffling.... this is insane... sane voices need to be louder...
Funny, conservatives say exactly the same thing about the liberal "cult".
"He thinks liberalism is... a ideology made to serve a...cosmopolitan elite..."
Well, yeah, it was the new class called "capitalists" (or "merchant class" or "bourgeoisie"). We were taught that in regular public school US history, not like it was anything bad. Now both parties are economically liberal, but his wants to bring back some of the old medieval social ideology! How can you be for tariffs, you say to protect US workers, but not be for laws and rules that just directly protect workers
Exactly. He is lying. Everything he said about workers and working class, is just a show b/c of his $$$ from Thiel. Which sucks for working class ppl. Nobody is on our side. They are all liars.
@@nivisalba Amen to that. Nobody is on our side. They are all liars.
To understand the his connection to the working class you should watch the Democracy Now interview with Zaid Jilani and various interviews with economist Oren Cass, most notably the one with Ezra Klein
@@JBA034 I understand and will check it out. But he definitely sold out. Despite his roots, he is a sell out as well
‘A working class boy’ from Yale law school and Wall Street. Fascist
Seriously. A serial LIAR. ugh 😫
Why is he a fascist?
I blame the people who "own" the media. It's just that simple.
Wow, what a good place to place the blame. Rupert grew up just up the road from me but is a bit out of reach now to pop a note into his letter box to say STOP!.
@@adamconroy2146 Would he listen? Nope! He and his get to play "king". Not a good 21st century game. imho
Unsettling words: "despite what you may think of his politics..."
JD Vance is clearly a sociopath.
Translation: It is impossible that someone could legitimately change their mind.
Preserving Democracy on PBS is a really good Documentary to watch! Stay safe all! Beautiful day!
Great interview with Ian Ward! Ian’s responses were well articulated, balanced and striking. Vance doesn’t appear to be your standard MAGA or neocon.
I definitely want to go and read more of Ian Ward’s works after this video.
What did Peter Thiel spend $10,000,000.00 on?
A power hungry puppet.
@@oliviasimonich2386 BooYah !!!
For the senate seat.
It would have been political contributions to one or more independent organizations which are not directly connected to Vance's own campaign.
@@misterlyle. Really, never heard of it?
Thank you DN! ❤
Glenn Greenwald
Who is JD Vance and what does he really believe
Democracy Now is the epitome of Liberal Hysteria fear mongering of the other side. wow.
Shut the fuck off and read his Profile ‘ he is someone you so scare of
Trae Crowder ("Liberal Redneck") had a post this week about meeting James David Vance years ago. Crowder is funny and authentic, unlike Vance. Thiel is the power behind the throne.
Amys shirt is so iconic to me for some reason
don't ask me. i'm just 'a childless, cat lady!'
“GOD WANTS BETTER OF US” JD Vance.
That alone says it all.
NETFLIX made a
MOVIE from
'Hillbilly Elegy'
*******
but reviewing interviews from recent years is more accurate re Vance's politics!
You girls look great
Peter Thiel is gay so let's hear how that fits in with "radical".
You are the best Amy, love your intelligence and how you bring the best out of your interviewees.
Thank you, Ian Ward. You are the first journalist/writer (other than Dr. Gil Doctorow) who has fairly assessed JD Vance's political potential. He complements Trump's bloviating, hyperbole and brings a refreshing independence of thought. Well done.
Due Dissidence
Trump taps JD Vance for VP
This is all such a bore. The old playbook of US capitalists funding anti capitalists to rescue the working class. And the media and most Americans fall for this time after time. A complete distraction from discussing the real issue:how capitalists maintain ruling class power, so effortlessly. Amy Goodman plays along with this till the end of time!
Vance reminds me of an modern American version of the French historian and politician who crushed the Paris Commune in 1871 and died 6 years after . Louis Adolphe Thiers became the representative par excellence of the French bourgeoisie, he accepted every form of government in the 19th century as long as he could fill them up with bourgeois content. Vance would fill them up with conservative proletarian content.
They are getting the camps ready.
He is NOT NOT NOT the vice president! 🤬
Unfortunately because the democrats are not going to fight for Democratic values he will be VP. 😏
All of this is... yuck.
This is the post Trump future. I’m getting the f*ck out of the US
Gosh, Vance totally reminds me of Steve Jobs' sales-pitch style. I'm half expecting the latest iMac to rise up from out of the stage. Then a pause. Then the prestige and everyone cheers and he 'smiles'. 🖋
Tales from the crypt NOW! 💀
once upon a time there was a journalist who today became a corporate puppet...
LOL, not just one.
Amy was _never_ a journalist.
Democracy Now is the epitome of Liberal Hysteria fear mongering of the other side. wow.
Detective of Money Politics is following this informative content cheers VK3GFS and 73s Frank
God save America. Trump and VD Vance, I hope Trump doesn't win.
Did ya bother to discuss his business failures; his extreme right influencers, his support by Peter Thiel (an elite) and his embrace of Project 2025?
I believe He has the ability to restrain radicalism by persuasion and a better way of organisation of activities in accordance
with law. I hope, He will find a way to balance the rights and obligations, responsibility that is a condition for stability.
When this balance is broken the tendency of parasitism and anarchy is increased.
He doesn't restrain radicalism, smoothly he normalizes it. He has decided that his soul isn't worth his envy of Trump's power and overt avarice, for which he is slathering.
Vance is NOT the VP, yet, Ian!
This guy is so far off in his assessment it's hilarious. The "new right" is the same as the "old left"! JD Vance has been on the same journey as the whole bunch of us. 8 years ago I was terrified of a Trump presidency, this year he gets my vote. The reasons for that are many and varied, but they are all of them rational, and justified. I am not running for VP, i have nothing to gain, i just thought about some stuff and arrived at a different conclusion. Y'all might wanna try it sometime.
I am in many ways the same. I still think Trumps character is despicable. But the policy is mostly right. Regardless, I don't think politics is always particularly rational. Rather, it's often dogmatic and done at a rather gut level. You have any number of people who had didn't have doctrinaire Paul Ryan libertarian style fiscal views and who therefore felt uncomfortable with the country club republican party. Many of these same people, as he rightly noted, are not philosophically Liberals but rather Conservatives.
He’s worked with Democrats more than most on bills including labor bills so not sure he’s as radical as you’re saying . He didn’t sound like it at all either.
He's a Corporate Elitist - Nothing about that helps Labor.
Trump was a liberal democrat for the majority of his career. Actually fighting for the little guy isn't where the money and immunity is. Elon, Peter, and Donald all show us that the money is in getting the little guy's money and telling them it's for their own good.
That was then when trump was evil incarnate in his opinion. The Vance of today espouses different views due to seeing which side has the most gravy to give him.
Illegal immigration hurts organized Labor , more than anything else
Democracy Now is the epitome of Liberal Hysteria fear mongering of the other side. wow.
Vance brings a "thinkers approach to politics???" Sorry Ian. You lost me there, completely.
At 16:43, the part left out, was; in and around 2016 was when J. D. married his wife. Now, in 2024 he has been nominated for the V. P. of the United States. Now, all racist, right-wing, rePUBElickins are called-upon to support him!”
(Posted to whfsnrt 7/19/2024).
Nice haircut Amy. And you two look better against a light background.
Tech billionaires should not be conflated with other billionaires. Innovation is their end game especially in the artificial intelligence race . The Trump/Vance ticket is more pro innovation. It’s embarrassing that the hosts didn’t even bother doing much homework. Instead, they were just fishing for any grain of extremism. Ian on the other hand seems to have obsessively done his research. However, his interpretations on some info are a bit skewed.
Ladies, with your permission, may I sugest you could give your distinct audience some clues about how they manage the use of language with bad intent?
Intent is the key.
The hell might even (which I doubt) be filled with good intentions.
But bad intentions have no place in the havens.
Intention is the key.
They will use it against us.
Use the use against them.
Thank you for your kind attention.
❤️
Do you know who else wrote a book? I'll give you a hint, it's called Mein Kampf.
So your point is, anyone who has written a book is a nazi? You guys are ridiculous! 😂
JD (Ad)vance
James Donald Bowman aka James David Hamel aka James David Vance is a chameleon fascist with almost as many aliases as George Santos 😅
JD! You are a liar! You talk about stagnant wages then voted against the minimum wage and childcare! You voted against the border bill. You voted against every bill that would help people. You get a Living Wage. Why shouldn't we?
Trump failed too
POOR AMERICA!
UNITED_STATES_OF_RED_INDIA
"More Radical Than MAGA" LOL you guys are the radicals.
Democracy Now is the epitome of Liberal Hysteria fear mongering of the other side. wow.
The default move of a touched Drumpf lover… “I know you are, but what am I?” 😂
@@SoOthersMayLiveandStuff LOL, so triggered because I stated a simple fact.
Making America great again shouldn't be a radical idea.
Ian is too GREEN ...
Teamsters President supports Vance and David Sacks, Elon Musk as well
Who cares
They are all clowns
Where is your evidence?
@@velvetlensfilms3290 Elon is giving $180 million to the campaign
Elon isn’t a teamster. He’s against Unionizing. He’s a corporate head.
Elon Musk hates unions, with a white-hot passion that has rendered him delusional. In late November, at a New York Times DealBook Summit where the aspiring-to-be-rich gather to get pointers from the actually rich, the Tesla CEO explained that “I disagree with the idea of unions…. I just don’t like anything which creates a lords-and-peasants sort of thing.” In the same interview, Musk-a mega-billionaire who famously threatened, in 2018, to take away the stock options of Tesla workers if they organized to exercise their collective-bargaining rights-griped, “I think the unions naturally try to create negativity in a company.”
This guy talks about the Democrat party as it’s a cult
it is
And he's not wrong.
he strikes me as very non-partisan and professional
More spin from Islamist Ermine Sheikh.
Sounds like a great guy to me. Well done Trump for this superb pick.
🥱
@6:30 - Nermeen Shaikh whispering "he's very smart"
That would translate into the Scottish term, sleekit, or more modern term, scheming, not to be trusted, not daft but very sly and cunning.
JD Vance's positions sure have a lot of antisemitic dog whistles...
If you're always hearing dog whistles, you're probably a dog. I don't hear anything.
well of course he has a 'hillbilly' background. Like this guy keeps saying, he is very smart. ;-)
Nothing of poverty or lack of opportunities...he just uses it to embrace poor white to vote for him..to used them
you make maddow look HOT .
Ian ward you are dangerous
90s American history x repackaged ..nothing new
I like how apparently an opinion u may have had, or something u said, in 2016 is etched in Stone, never able to be updated or changed even 8 yrs later in 2024, regardless of what u may have learned or what may have transpired over the last 8 years, & the opinion or utterance must define you for evermore.
Democracy Now is pathetically bias and with Ms Sheikh, well on the way to being a propagandists broadcaster for Islamists as well as wokes .