Motion in Comics: From Winsor McCay to Gianni De Luca to Bruno Redondo
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This episode looks at the different ways comic books can display motion including methods like speed lines, polyptychs, reduplication, and the De Luca Effect. It includes examples from Scott McCloud, Winsor McCay, Frank King, Joe Shuster, Bernie Krigstein, Gene Colan, Ross Andru, Gianni De Luca, Frank Quitely, Javier Pulido, and Bruno Redondo.
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There's also "Centipede man" from the New 52 series "Dial H" comic. He uses the "Deluca effect" as a kind of superpower. He moves in a kind of rapid speed where his after images super-impose in themselves making them look like segments like a centipede. It's a very cool and unique effect and kind of power you could only pull off in a comic. Definitely check out some of those images.
I second this. It's a very cool power from a very interesting series
My god I thought I was the only person who even remembered that series!
@@samwill7259 Trust me, you aren't. thought I'm not surprised at the feeling. DC seemed to just have ditched anything about that run when it finished.
@@VcarGekko Which is a shame, the idea of looking at non-standard, surreal universes and what superheroes would look like in them is basically an idea with infinite potential
@@samwill7259 I second this, even though I did like Morrison's take on the multiverse.
I loved that issue of Nightwing. I liked it so much I posted it on my IG. Tom Taylor's run has been great fun.
It really has been a great book, I get tired of certain UA-cam comic reviewers crapping on it and calling it woke.
@@cicolasnage5684 I honestly haven't seen anyone crapping on it, so that's good to know. Why are so many people crying about comics today? They're not all that bad. I've been reading comics since the 80s and they have always had a social awarenes. Idk. Excellent name though, Cicolas, lol.
@@pauldigscomics7810 Trolls and gatekeepers are the new craze… hahaha… I think people are just finding out they are Flash Thompsons - they are cheering for Spider-Man but bullying Peter Parker. They are finding out they are not the good guys in real life, and they are blaming people for pointing that out… hahaha…
@@brianng8350 Lol, well said!!
@@pauldigscomics7810 It’s mainly the people complaining about how “woke” comics are now as if the X-Men haven’t existed the last 60+ years
my favorite example of a polyptic has to be Multiversity: Pax Americana, where Morrison and Quitely show 3 sets of people in 3 different timelines moving across the same space, investigating what happened with the previous set of characters.
This was a particularly interesting episode. I love deep dives into subjects that can go by relatively unnoticed, and seeing all the connections and history. Also, I caught the Oliver Tree reference at 2:20, lol. I never would have if my girlfriend hadn't played the song in her car before.
Thanks for noticing my silly reference.
@@ComicTropes Sure thing! And thanks for noticing my comment. It’s nice to hear from the real Chris and not the scammer one 😉
haha I noticed the funny pronunciation but didn't understand why. I know Oliver Tree by haircut, but can't say I've heard the music
Elena Casagrande on the most recent run of Black Widow with Kelly Thompson does an incredible job using motion in almost every issue of the run. Loved the action in that run.
Such a great run. Thompson and Casagrande are a dream team!
Wow! That Gianni De Luca artwork is lovely.
The action in those Nightwing channels looks great. I always liked the really dynamic artists using this effect. When I was small, I would follow the action, physically trying to recreate the heroes movements.
I also like the idea of calling it Bayeux.
I think the DeLuca Effect isa perfect name. It honors a great artist and pays due respect. If I had to find a more neutral name it would probably a term like "confluent visual storytelling" but I like the DeLuca Effect more. And mad respect to Redondo. I'm still breathless. Fantastic work! I will watch outfor that guy.
Cerebus did it in the Fall and the River section using a tour guide’s word balloons across multiple panels in one long panning shot for most of that first issue. Catching readers up on in-world events, like TV news is used in other comics as justified exposition.
That Nightwing comic is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I can easily see it winning an Eisner award!
You are getting really good at this, Chris. You had my complete attention. The crafting of these deep dive episodes coming across to me as an art in itself.
This was great! I got to see Scott McCloud speak at Princeton University years ago.
Winsor McCay's pioneering Nemo art - incredibly enduring. I'm always transfixed by it.
So this Nightwing issue is like a side-scrolling video game (I remember Contra and Double Dragon best).
This is definitely something comics do best: multiple images guiding the eye through the narrative (or multiple narratives).
I thought of all those 8-bit side scrollers too.
I always feel like I’m listen to a top college professor who is sharing his knowledge on many aspects of comics.. this was an amazing episode.. thx you
Speaking of Italian artists, you should check out the work of Sergio Toppi.
I love Scott McCloud! I have two of his books and he taught me a lot about comics!
I love nerdy episodes that dive into the techniques of comics. Great work as usual. 😁
I feel like you could always name it after the cinematic version of storytelling that the Nightwing comic felt like to me, a “onetake”
That Oliver Tree reference was truly chefs kiss. This is the greatest comic channel of all time.
Episodes like this are a reminder of why this is the best show about the artform of comics anywhere on the internet. Thank you for discovering Gianni De Luca for me!
My father confessed to me once that he didn’t read comics because of he couldn’t understand that sequence of the panels on most pages … this type of motion can be confusing to a small group of people but it is really a clever way to show motion
I would say one is the "explosive manga speed" where a character is seen, then there is like a air cloud explosion emanating from the character, then there is usually a panel that doesn't show anything but the intervening space or like a ghosty image if the character, then there is a panel where they suddenly appear, usually attacking someone who blocks it just in time. This feels like a remix or varient of the techniques described
I remember the first time I saw a whole comic in one very long image: it was a jpg of a wordless Shintaro Kago comic - and was of course utterly surreal and horrifying. The technique in that case wasn't used to communicate motion, however.
You have a rockin’ mustache.
Also, I think Mike Allred did something similar to this Nightwing comic when he worked on Silver Surfer
More nerdy deep dive-in! Thanks, Chris!
Surprised you got through this without mentioning Italian Futurism, like “Dynamism of a Dog on a Leash.”
De Luca was almost certainly influenced by it.
One word from a fan from Poland. I love your work. I love topics and the way you present our beloved medium - comics. Here in Poland onwdays we have no problem with reading Marvel or DC but as a 44yo man and a great fan of comics I must say there was a time ('70-'80) that almost all of us was obliviuos to superhero comics. But we got fantastic domestic comics like: "Cpt. Żbik" "Kajko i Kokosz", "Tytus, Romek i A'tomek" I invite you to reserach on this topic and even makeing a program about it.
A friend from Poland sent me the original Witcher comics and even translated them for me. But I misplaced them. If I ever find it, I plan to do an episode.
@@ComicTropes In Poland the most famous user of Gianni de Lucca effect was Tadeusz Baranowski in his surrealistic comic books "Antresolka Profesorka Nerwosolka" (Title is untranslatable to english I suppose :-) ) and almost in every other of his works. Bogusław Polch used it from time to time in his SF epic series "Funky Koval" ( "Funky" is considered in Poland as the best polish SF comic, true classic).
@@wojciechbem8661 Omg Fuky Koval is so awesome and so well drawn. @ComicTropes - please please check out Funky Koval series
In painting, it’s called continuous narration. Fascinating, but hard to pull off well. Great episode!
You missed an obvious one: one you actually showed in the video. Joe Shuster gave Superman his cape to help convey the speed, motion, and direction of the character in a scene.
Really interesting, especially as an amateur writer/illustrator.
And I must say that, as a fellow Italian, I feel quite ashamed that I was not familiar at all with De Luca until now.
I'm normally really enjoy your videos but this one is probably the most interesting one that you have done.
Morning Chris,
What a fascinating and thought provoking subject! When I began reading comics, I've always noticed how some artists use multiple variations of a character to show speed and movement, specially in Spider-Man and The Flash. In my comic The Teenage Gene-Spliced Cyber Bunnies, (hopefully you got the copies) my artwork is.. how can I say, "all-over-the-place" at times, with multiple/ duplicate characters. I call my technique "free-style", like: (rapping, snowboarding, swimming, dancing, motocross, etc.) you guy remember bmx "freestyle' bikes?! lol!
I like to think this technique makes/ allows the reader to spend more time looking at the artwork/story, enjoying the extra time reading the comic. The adventure lasts longer. The tapestry reference, was great, thanks for doing such an extensive amount of research. We really appreciate your channel and hard work!
Love a nerdy craft deep-dive. Great work as always, Chris!
I had a reply just like the scam you described on Freakin' Reviews. I didn't react to it because it seemed odd to me. Thanks for the warning and now I know it's a scam. Also thanks for another wonderful episode. I don't often respond but I always give a thumbs up.
Wow. That type of storytelling in comics is fascinating. I couldn't take my eyes off of that Nightwing comic.
Thanks! This was fascinating. I remember there was some pretty dynamic movement-focused art in an early Nightwing book when he first went to Bludhaven as well. Nowhere near as ambitious as this though!
I think there’s good examples of this done in webtoon/manwha continuous scrolling. I’ve seen a lot of it from those type of comics. Yal should check it out.
Scott McDaniel’s run on Nightwing deserves a mention here, his artwork was incredibly kinetic. Some issues were non-stop motion
This was awesome, Chris. Thank you!
Ps: I've received those scam comments in three different channels, all about different topics (comics, martial arts, gaming). Its quite obvious its fake though, I hope not too many are falling for it.
I know you've probably got too many comments to see mine but you're honestly one of the main reasons I'm super into comics. Thank you!
You are seen.
Appreciate the continuing education. Love the depth of creativity that writers and artists can explore in this media. Good job, Chris.
A newer trend really exemplified by Daniel Warren Johnson and James Harren is to bring the motion lines into the figure itself. Instead of a clean line for a character, that line is shaking and vibrating to show that it's in motion and full of energy. Great episode! I love thinking about this stuff.
Another way you might portray movement with, is abstraction of the surroundings. The fast moving object is clearly visible in all its details but the surroundings are abstracts or colored beyond the lines and stuff. In The Metabarons there's a panel of a spaceship flying to another dimension or something which Gimenez depicted as if the ship had torn space apart where it had gone past, behind the spaceship where drawn simple shapes with few colors, a bit in a cubist style or like something Piet Mondriaan would've drawn. It's in one of the later comics in the series, either Aghorra or No-name iirc.
Excellent episode, drawing from such a wide range. Glad to be made aware of Deluca. Joe Sacco recently did a continuous image as story called The Great War. Many traditional Japanese and Chinese scroll paintings are narrative, and play out as reader/viewer unfurls sections, operating in similar fashions (space, time) as some of your examples. It seems space, environment and architecture are key to the forumula.
As well as movement, there's also pacing of scenes, which can be down to the writer as much as the artist. I'd class Alan Moore as a master of pacing in scripts. For two examples, take the scene in Watchmen where Rorschach deduces the secret compartment in Edward Blake's closet and the scene in Miracleman between Bates and the nurse. Both examples of the action being clearly shown and paced in a way that tells the story effectively, informs the reader as to what's happening (wordlessly, in the case of the Watchmen scene) and also engages the reader in the detective work in one case and amplifies the suspense and horror in the other.
A classic Golden Age DC example of movement using multiples is Mort Meskin's Johnny Quick, where he used sequential images of the super-speedster in one panel to show him often doing a range of activities or fighting multiple opponents at high velocity. Meskin's technique was very distinctive at the time and different from the way e.g. the Flash's speed was shown.
I don't remember who said it, but I agree: "Alan Moore is a genius and we're lucky that he works in comics".
I agree that "Understanding Comics" is an awesome eye opener. I remember how mind blown I was, being presented with clear examples right there on the page, along with consistent and plausible explanations. That particular book might not be the end of all debates surrounding comics, but it is a best possible start for a discussion of the topic.
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before in the comments, but Dan Slott & Mike Allred achieved a similar effect via an infinity loop narrative flow in Silver Surfer #11. Midway, the action that has occured in an upper flow above future events pictured below switches to engage the reader by turning the comic book upside down to read events that happen chronologically, yet we have already seen before. (If that makes sense.) Great issue, by the way. Thanks for the information in this video & a good look at one of the most intriguing techniques in comic book motion/time depiction!
Bruno Redondo deserves a Certified Greg moment.
As a low-rent comic creator, I greatly appreciate when you explain why I do some of the stuff I do, cuz I really don’t know why I’m doing it half the time. Simply wonderful!
Now that's an interesting topic. Also; I love Winsor Mckays work
I saw a artist do this 20 years ago in a web comic that movie on its own like a movie. It was amazing.
That Moebius strip spread in Promethea was wild! Every time I reread the series, it always takes me a few extra minutes to get the right reading flow on those pages.
Very interesting subject, the single-take issue, as it were. I'll have to pick up this run. Watching this I was reminded of a tangential subject, that time Marvel did a whole month of comics with no spoken dialogue. Some titles were more successful than others, as I remember, but it was an interesting experiment. Perhaps comparing those issues and the way different artists handled the assignment might be a good subject for the future.
I love this art style, it's gorgeous
I've noticed that Frank Frazetta used a similar effect many times, to show multiple characters that seem to be performing one action in time-lapse. By doing this, he gives one painting a dynamic sense of comics-style action, by showing a group moving forward. A few examples of this are "Leaping Lizards", "Moon Maiden" (where the robots are moving from right to left), and "Wolfpack", where the wolves are doing it. Once you see that trick, you'll notice that he uses it even in groups of two attackers fairly often. It's a great trick.
I love these analyses of comics inner workings, I find them very enriching . I think the first time I noticed this "De Lucca" effect was on Spider-Man comics, even as early in Steve Ditko 's run, but also with later artists like Gil Kane or Ross Andru, even later an artist that was very good with it was Steve Skroce ( I think he worked doing storyboards on The Matrix also). It's great not only to convey speed but also to capture a wider breath of the full motion instead of just zoom lines, so you can see how much of an skillful acrobat is or how much the physics affect the characters when they are in a fight or a fall or something like that.
One effect that I've seen on manga that's similar but not quite the same is for example in a fight scene to emphasize the might of a punch or a kick, the artist draws the attacker normally but the other character who is being hit in "blurred" barely, by having it's lines repeated but drawn a bit apart, so it presents the exact moment when the hit just landed and the guy is about to be squashed by a tremendous force. I thought that was an interesting variation
I wanted to add Geof Darrow's Shaolin Cowboy Shemp Buffet from 2013. The story is a prolonged fight with a horde of zombies.Darrow's art up's the ante in the middle as the Cowboy is killing the zombies with two chainsaws attached to ends of a staff. The panels are segmented in narrow horizontal strips and then expands on other pages into full two pages. The amount of detail and fluidity of the action is inspiring to see as anyone who is familiar with Darrow knows there are no shortcuts in his work and the amount of detail is just staggering. Great episode Chris!
Hell yes, more episodes like this please 🖤
Winsor McCay deserves his own episode. There is quite a lot about him.
Love your videos, loyal watcher for about 3 years. Thanks!
Love this one! Thanks Chris
This is one of your best videos so far.
I really do love your channel. Your personality is just so wonderful to watch and listen to, and you never cease to have interesting things to say about comics. Thank you for all you do.
Great video! Love your channel! Thank you for putting in the hard work you do!
Great episode sir. Always enjoy your stuff.
Loved this episode!
You are an amazing UA-camr! Please keep up the great work!
Chris has had many great episodes on Comic Tropes, but this one is absolutely brilliant.
Thank you for the hard work and the time you put into researching and crafting each episode. You make every second meaningful.
love these more technical installments of comic tropes! great work
I was hoping you'd use the Mobius strip example from Promethea. It's one of my favourites.
It’s fantastic.
Really informative episode Chris! I love a nice deep dive!
Really interesting stuff, I love that I always learn something from your vids.
Great video as always!
Fascinating! Thank you Chris.
Insightful as always
What an interesting video!! I couldn’t stop watching. Thank you so much for this!
I’ve been reading and loving comics for about 10 years now but there’s still so much to learn. Thanks! Already liked and subscribed of course.
Lotta love from Germany.
fascinating video, Chris!
Another great show thanks for making such enjoyable content!
Great breakdown Chris, as a comic creator I appreciate this very much. Nightwing has been fantastic! Also Understanding comics is one of my favorite books of all time, it really made me fall in love with comics
An awesomely edited episode
Great episode Chris; thank you so much.
Fantastic episode!
Gorgeous episode
Absolutely fun video- I know you don’t do it often but i personally like you analyzing the more technical angles of comic making, especially as someone wanting to make some herself. it’s always neat to see the history and technical application
YAAAY TALKING ABOUT NIGHTWING 87!!! That comic got me into nightwing and since then it’s become my all time favorite current comic series
Bruno Redondo is amazing. I read The entire Suicide Squad in a few hours but always wanted more.
Redondo is definitely a huge part of what makes me love this current nightwing run
Thank you for making art videos like this, weather its about an artist style and the techniques they use or just general art knowledge in comics like the DeLuca effect and how its been used best through out the years. I'm an aspiring comic artist and videos liek this really help me learn new things and how to improve. :)
Another ComicTropes, another research trip to the library for me! 😁 ....I thank you again, Chris, for a insightful look into my favorite artistic medium. 😍
Another great episode.
Interesting topic. Would enjoy seeing more topics like this in the future ❤️👍
Absolutely my fave Art effect in comics and literally the only mention of De Luca the artist anywhere on YT. Thanks, Chris!
Lovely video! Please do more like this, talking about some aspect of comics, whenever you feel like it.
Really liked this one. Love learning about new artists in this way
Loved the video Chris. Even though it was slightly technical, you broke it all down like a great teacher! Keep up the great work.
Awesome video! Looking foward to the Nightwing comic!!
Fantastic video. Love this channel.
Great video. I'd never heard of De Luca so I just went and ordered every book I could find online. Thank you for all or your hard work!
Wow, what a great video! I learned so much, thanks for making this!