Part 1 - RED MINI-MAG - Things you only thought you knew. Inside view, and RED SSD firmware
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2019
- Part 1 of a series to explain RED Digital Cinema:
A comprehensive and an essential guide to the RED MINI-MAG SSD memory card (512GB) every RED user and every cinematographer "MUST KNOW".
Spoiler alert: You're about to unearth probably the biggest scandal in the digital cinema industry.
RED claims they "invented" the RED MINI-MAG device, and they developed their own IP and SSD firmware for it, and that RED MINI-MAG has significantly fewer card errors than other companies using even reputable generic media, (and so theirs is superior to a generic one) and RED spends millions of dollars testing, certifying and QCing every media they ship. Red claims the RED MINI-MAG device is made in the USA.
RED also claims that (as of March 2017) RED MINI-MAG is a patented technology. More about Red patents in the upcoming future videos.
This is a link to Micron's response regarding RED claims for having a customized firmware on the RED MINI-MAG device
JinniMag/pho... - Наука та технологія
To clarify, although RED MINI-MAG is nothing more than a consumer grade mSATA SSD with a standard SSD firmware, using only standard features of the SSD, RED intentionally reduces the camera's functionality to force customers to buy 'even the same', with a much higher price, from them. Swapping the internal mSATA drives only, won't be enough.
so there seems to be a magic, or thats the patent he is talking about, how can we circumvent red prices? congrats on the video! super enlightening
No patent! No magic! You've been lied to... It's just a scheme which we may hopefully talk about in the future videos
What do you mean that "Swapping the internal mSATA drives only, won't be enough." It seems to read just fine when you plugged it into the camera?
The key is in the video. We may release a DIY video once we get the clearances needed. :)
@@JinniTech Is there some kind of key lock on the drive ?
I wonder if RED are brave enough to take anyone to court for calling their ‘bespoke’ storage a rip-off.
Thank you for telling the world.
lets get a civil law suit going
Such a shame really because the camera hardware itself seems awesome. Only to screw themselves with their own irony lol.
Uh, they were already in a two-year legal battle with the creator of this video.
Alec Armbruster Now that’s *ARROGANCE*
@@Jenny_Digital NO. That is an utter lack of integrity matched with a complete lack of vertebrae. I could see scores of used car salesmen standing in solidarity with Nigerian Princes shaking their heads in disgust.
RED forgot to use proprietary screws like Apple does!
This is how scam & spy business works:
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I'm kind of surprised they didn't just get Apple's screws and call them RED ones.
or even seal it up so you cant unscrew it, rookie rip-offs
Why screws? Shut the thing up with copious amounts of glue so that attempting to open it would destroy the entire fckn thing! There, problem solved! 💵 💵 💵
what proprietary screws? p5 is available on ebay for £1/1euro, t5 is the same, not much more screws than than
really want Linus to see this
Rip linus
Guess Linus had it for way cheaper - and maybe he even had the idea to create a video like this, but instead, RED provided a top-quality camera, and asked him to just keep the secret... But....Who knows. I'm still a happy sub of LMG - However, don't you think, they already have played around with this?😁
People have tweeted it to him and he hasn't reacted or responded to any message yet.
And Corridor guys =]
Linus should make his own pcb and 3d printed enclosure and put an ssd in it. That will be fun!!
As a Reduser for almost 10 years, Im super disapointed. I was suspiscous about their practices and prices on accessoiries for years... Well, thanks for sharing this ugly truth
Pixel Dealer red user for 10 years over four reds I feel the same way
I always had a weird feeling about their accessories and the many shady things Jarred has done like going after Blackmagic for making their own RAW codec. I use to dream of shooting on red when I was in school but when I met real owners in person and online who had some pretty awful experiences... It's frustrating to be sold a whole dream and find out it's all smoke and mirrors.
remain me storie of Pixelon on the netscape tv show ;D
@@aramisperez6378 Sadly, RED will remain as a top camera. Big studios, rental houses etc., may not care about the high cost of the mags and accessories but small studios and solo filmmakers? I'm glad I don't own a RED b/c I'd be furious right now.
How did you use their cameras and not know? Reds made for hollywood. Why would you want one? I was surprised when LTT got them because its complete overkill.
This need to go viral....I meant come on $2500 for a SATA SSD in 2019 🤢
You still didn't have to pay $1000 dollars for aluminium monitor stand.
kar27k at least that stand is built and design by the company, I could argue that the amount of RND that gone into that stand is more than the SSD. It would be the same comparison if apple was selling a dell stand for $1000.
@@MrTeckish well said
@@MrTeckish Designing an stand doesn't cost as much lol and like making one it depends on the material which is metal nothing great and nothing like really expensive bruh
Sebastian have you see how over design that stand is? I mean let say they pay an industrial designer to design the thing and his/her salary is $100k a year and it take them 3 months to design it that would be roughly 33k just from that. Then securing manufacturing facility and stream lining the process by purchasing tools and machinery to make that unique design out of aluminum. That would cost at the very least $150k so thus far we are down 180k in RND. Not mention that my estimate only including one person designing the thing. What have red done and how much are they spending on designing the enclosure? I am not justifying apple for pushing out the over engineer and over price stand, it just red did less than apple if you compare the RND that goes into the stand vs the SSD
This is the type of business practice that can create such anger as to spur a class action lawsuit.
"Hey, I think China is stealing my tech and ripping it off"
>proceeds to steal Chinese tech and commit fraud
I absolutely hope it does.
@@alltehstuffs Can you imagine paying $500 for a Mercedes gas cap only to fnd out it came from the Dodge Caravan parts bin!
@@paulanderegg5536 Don't even get my STARTED on Soylent Green! 50 CREDITS?? FOR PEOPLE??? They weren't even GOOD TASTING people ffs. I'm holding out for Soylent Tangerine, made from corn fed dock workers. Real meat in there.
@@cfryantofficial Stop, you are making me hungry :-P
Well the Part with 512gb being 480gb is false advertising and illegal in Europe. Trouble incoming
I'm sure RED will get around this by saying shit like "These cards ARE indeed 512 gigabytes, they are just over partitioned for garbage collection. The firmware we load onto these gets rid of that over partitioning.
No, in fact there is a huge problem connected to the units of measurement that are used in the computer world, RED declares that they are 512 GB, and they really are, while computers read the memory dimensions in GiB, which correspond precisely to 476,837GiB
@@riccardoguerriero7889 micron itself sell the used SSD as 480GB (Not GiB)
@@riccardoguerriero7889 Uhm, no
@@JhonScarzo He is right though
I think that would be fair to force RED to refund the price overpaid for those ssds to each one who has bought them. Through the court.
bad deals aren't illegal. if i convince you to buy a banana from me for $80, i haven't necessarily broken the law. you're running into one of the major limitations of capitalism.
@@spambot7110 Sure but if you sell 512 bananas and only deliver 480 then arguably you have.
@@spambot7110 You can still sue them for the "made in the USA" claims and wrong size report. It will be a hard battle, but they will be forced to admit that "made in the USA" only refers to the case, not the hardware, and they'll have to pay something. Especially exploiting the current Trump hate of Chinese stuff :P
@@Galf506 the bar for "made in the USA" is very low. as long as the final assembly was put together in the USA that counts.
World needs people like you(author of this video). Thank you for your service! People like you are now days super heros by using common sense and some knowladge as their super power and showing normal people what is good and what is bad. This video should go viral.
This explains why their phone was soooo bad
Probably they just took a chinese phone and redesigned the exterior and added the RED badge
nah their hardware was just lagging behind because of the delays
@@dzsemx yes, i dont think there is any phone made in USA... but probably Red can make one... lol
@@vikas274 hardware lags? THEN WHY DID THEY RELEASE IT AT ALL? Why didn't they first try to resolve the main issue and THEN RELEASE THE PHONE.. the phone is a scam too.. jim jannard was a great businessman at one time, but greed destroyed him and he became an atrocious idiot .. you reap what you sow!
😂🤣😂
This is totally unacceptable coming from a company like this one. I’m disappointed, that’s not right.
That's not just not right. Thats outright wrong!
that's capitalism kids
Wait you're surprised that RED is ripping you off? The $80k price tag for a camera with basic accessories didn't raise any flags?
As a hardware guy myself, I'll give you big props for how thorough that video is. You nailed that down completely. Good job!
The 19 dislikes are the remaining Red employees left after this video.
Nah it's from his fucked up voice annoying people trying to watch this
@@BlueBird-wb6kb waaaaaaa
@@BlueBird-wb6kb Are you listening to the information provided in the video or hearing annoying voice?
@@xenonram Nah man, he's right. At the time of this video it's up to 433 dislikes to 5,600 likes! I mean come on, that's like... almost EIGHT PERCENT! MY GOD! So, you know, a tiny minority of entitled pricks who refuse to ever be pleased and who's numbers would barely be visible on a bar chart comparison.
Vikas are you fucking serious, he’s obviously trying to badmouth RED to sell his own mags
Download/create a case 3d model on Thingiverse, buy a SSD, the adapters and boom cheap diy red mini mag
Is the adapter available for purchase tho?
@@yellow2683 well, it's literally a PCB which just changes the wiring. No controllers involved, so shouldn't be hard
Ok, sorry, but you are not smart to be kind. 3D Prints have horrible surface finish, conduct almost no heat (that is the purpouse of the metal case) and does not keep out interference. So just do NOT print it. Rather mill it yourself, but printing it will definitely hugely damage the SSDs longevity.
HeartOfGermany 3D printing will cause no damage at all. it is just a very cheap way of making a case.
@@damianschjoth8986 ok but plastic is not ideal
YOU ARE A F!@@$ HERO!!! I LOVE YOUR BRAVERY AND INTELLIGENCE!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And he did it with an MONSTROUSLY strong Slavic?.........Spanish?.......whatever, he had an accent and he got it done.
Bravo!
Well, that's why I have my lovely JinniMag since day 1 with my Red Epic. Keep up the good work!
With no differences?
Wouldn't it be also easier to buy a few Jinnimags with small capacity and upgrade them yourself?
Absolutely no difference after over 1 year of daily usage. And to eliminate every possible stupidity I like to buy it ready to use ;)
@@AlexiBexi OK, thank you for your answer!
A friend of mine mentioned, that the Epic has slower writing speeds, than the newer versions and might therefore work without problems, with the JinniMags.
But if they just work, it's good I guess.
What do you mean by, buy it ready to use?
Idk “cinema” oriented cameras are always excessively gimmicky and fad oriented with proprietary junk BS. I’d rather break my back rolling film than dealing with this nonsense. Black Magic and ARRI are no better these days either.
Hey! Bin froh das du damals kommentiert hast! Wie zufrieden warst du mit der Alternative, nutzt du sie immernoch? Habe grade das Video entdeckt. Grüße
I love how the Weapon 8K is using a Kintex-7 FPGA. It's not like they couldn't throw a PCIe controller in there and use NVMe or Thunderbolt tech. For a cutting edge price, I expect cutting edge tech and high compatibility, not this shit.
Always suspected this, glad to see it proven. I'm glad I went to team BlackMagic
I came from the Blackmagic Discord, happy as well xD
I was introduced to BlackMagic through school, they have damn nice stuff.
I love the dev of CrystalDiskInfo,
making such a good software that huge amount of profesionals are forced to look at weebshit anime waifus
hilarious
There have two versions lol, the plain one and the other ones. Probably makes life bearable when your killing yourself making benchmarking software.
That was the highlight of this video, lol.
The normal version is what people who know what the fck they're doing use, the weeb shit version is for the "LETS USE THE FIRST BIG FAT DOWNLOAD BUTTON AND NOT READ WHAT IT SAYS" idiots
@@Knaeckebrotsaege i downloaded the anime version on propose lol
Oh yes, it's so bad, such a scandalous, tremendous
Such a small channel, such quality content.
Great job man! Really enjoyed it.
So you're basically paying $2.5k for a plastic case, port adapters and a 6 year old entry level ssd.
Aluminum case*
RED selling snake oil. What a surprise! (not)
I would very much like Linus and MKBHD to see this. And make videos on this.
Looks like Linus is posting a video about this tomorrow. Thats why I'am here.
I would like to El Chapo make a video too.
Mkb won't post anything. His probably sponsored by red haha
MKBHD? He doesn't know shit about anything.
MKBHD is one who promoted Red... he is never goona rip it apart
Thank you for this everyone is always scared of opening 2500 of a product to break it hopefully this video does not bring your unwanted issues distribute this video before red thries to shut you down good work
They can't do shit.
Good work! The only technology RED has added is an important thermal pad and a posh aluminum case/heat sink, plus software in the camera to only accept specific media and lie about it! The way flash media and controllers heat up during extended high speed write, heat management is crucial. Still, the markup is over $1,500 to be shared by RED and its loyal and very happy dealers.
By the way, RED's web site now states capacities of 120, 240, 480, and 960 GB to escape legal problems with the US Federal Trade Commission. Price for the 480 GB is now only $1,850.00 on the US web site.
Linus Tech Tips should know about this. And connect directly to a 100 tb server @linustechtips
Actually if the reads on the server were fast enough, and they would have long and good wire, this would be really smart for shooting indoors :D
Let's send this video to Linus then (on twitter or something)
Two words: Tripping hazard.
two more words: nobody cares.
(but seriously, very few people care about tripping hazards in practice. even really obvious ones.)
With the 10gb internet link you would asume that it is possible to just send it live over the network with a small buffer inbetween like maybe a nuc for proccesing
You, my friend, are a hero! thanks for putting this video out. Cheers mate!
We need more videos like this one.
Repackage it with a higher capacity SSD. Resell on Ebay, profit.
200 IQ plays
I feel like this video would've been much more popular already if it had a title like "RED's mini mags is fraud" or "RED's $2500 mini mags is a lie"
One of our Red mini Mags started formatting itself! Yes that's right, formatting itself. Every time the card was full, we would eject from camera, then insert into mag reader to dump the footage. The card would be blank and the card number skipped up one count. It was formatting itself automatically on eject. It did this consistently. We logged errors, Red said there was nothing wrong. We sent the card in, after months of testing Red told us the card "isn't working", and that its "out of warranty.... sorry." - That's it. We have never received an explanation from them. Nothing.
The way they handled this was identical to how they have handled all other inherent defect thats we have found with our camera.
1: At first they pretend the problem doesn't exist. They hope you will go away.
2: They will then tell you that you have improperly shutdown that camera and that this is the reason for all your problems. Even when you have had evidence that you did not improperly shutdown the camera. They will always use this as their first excuse.
3: After they really are confronted with real evidence there is a problem they go quiet, ignore you.... sometimes months later issue a fix for the problem and call it a "free upgrade" or something like that. Or just ignore you long enough because they know litigation is expensive and most of the time not worth the cost and effort.
There really should be a class action suit against them.
Thankyou so much, I was literally looking at redmag mini internals everywhere but I couldn't find anything.
Wait what? So you could just buy a larger capacity SSD and switch it out?
i'll try this week
@@lukerob5412 Please let me know if this works!
Yeah. Buy a 128GB one and swap it with a 1TB drive.
And does it only apply to mini mags? What about the older 1.8” redmags?
@@carterhewlett I guess we'll have to take a peek under the hood of these older SSDs to see what's inside. I guess they're just older mSATA SSDs.
Love your work man, thanks for this! Proprietary gear with inflated prices and misrepresentation is the worst!
Didn't Linus point out that they were shiny but regular msata SSDs in his unboxing like 2 years ago?
Edit: He just made a video about this video and he mentioned the same thing lol
Excellent work 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Why did this take so long??? Looking forward to part 2.
Voice sounds like mush, I can barely understand.
Coming soon: Red announces major price cuts on Mini-Mags.
Maybe Mini Mag S, with improved internals!!! (they switched to use samsung evo)
I wouldn't hold my breath
Next week they said! (from cinema5d article)
@@Xhanoir I'd suspect them to use the qlc ones for maximum profit ;)
Would never bought RED. Too expensive, and I smell scam from the start. i wonder why linus didnt find it first.
God bless BlackMagicDesign.
In the professional world, everything has an obscene markup. It's just a question of whether or not this markup is something people are willing to accept. Of course, with this markup, you're also paying for tech support, if you need it, not to mention hardware that is tested and validated to operate 24/7 with near zero downtime month to month.
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew your point makes this kind of work unacceptable.
also BMD isn't consumer stuff. they are also expensive, but at least they didn't gave us more burden to work with.
You shattered my dreams of owning a RED one day.
Well, it's for the best. I wouldn't want to give them more money, which they don't deserve.
Go Team ARRI
I moved from Red to Arri last year, and I'll never look back. The image and reliability is a whole different world. I never have to worry if something crazy is just going to go wrong with my camera in the middle of a shoot. Happened all the time with my Reds.
@@kennethcmerrill yeah. Have heard that from many people. Although, are ARRI cameras as easy to operate as REDs?
@@AnirudhHu Arri cameras are the easiest cameras in the industry to operate, in my opinion. I've worked with Arri, Red, Canon, and a tiny bit of Panasonic, and Arri is the most simple. Red has a search function in their menus. That fact alone speaks volumes.
Thanks for such an informative video.
Subbed bro, loved this content.
This is so disappointing on many levels.
Thank you for enlightening me on the truth about RED's "proprietary" storage media.
Was about to drop a grand on used mags since they are the cheapest solution until hearing about the Jinni mags. Since the case was thrown out in favor of Jinni I considered trying them out. Now that I know they aren't anything special I can feel a bit easier about trying one out for my Dragon.
Looking forward to hearing more about these and how to self-upgrade my own mags without paying an arm and a leg. Hopefully Linus, MKB & JerryRig all look into these.
Sometimes people need to be called out if they cannot practice what they preach, respect.
People have been talking about this for a while now. I'm glad someone took it apart so we can settle this, finally. No matter how much magic marketing dust you put into consumer electronics - they are still consumer electronics.
So, you're telling me that before this, no one ever cracked one of these open out of curiosity?
Linus was harping about it when he first introduced his RED cameras - but never actually opened it to show to the world what kind of low budget shit was actually inside it.
edit: He probably got a huge discount for the cameras in return for the video. It's youtubers so you never know what actually goes behind the curtains.
I had a hard time following the video but once you said the binary comparison was identical I understood. Crazy markups on those drives, damn
Jinni.Tech...you madlad!!! You exposed their fraud and now they have released new cameras (Komodo & Raptor) with CF express card!!!
The capacity difference is just due to the different scaling factors used for the units, while micron uses the factor 1024 which is more accurately called GiB in this case - RED used the facor 1000 which is not really false when assuming the standard SI prefix system.
Even assuming that it is the case (which it is not, cause no HDD or SSD manufacturer would bypass on that free marketing of larger discs to unknowing street customer), RED would still be commiting the fraud as 480 GiB = 515.39607552 GB, so they still would be overselling their SSDs by nearly 5 GBs.
1) Micron created the M500 (480GB) model and M550 (512GB) model. M500 datasheet clearly states the MAXIMUM unformatted LBA is 480 (an iteration from 240gb not from 256gb as in M550). In all of the Micron's datasheet calculations K factor WAS considered 1024, that still gets about (under) 480gb Max. Google Micron M500 datasheet and see for yourself.
2) When Red fixed the capacity marking after JinniMag, they stated the 480gb has less capacity than (previous gen!) 512gb. ie Red admitted the capacity was actually less
- (all unformatted capacities)
I have test this 3 year ago i was able to mout the drive as shows no pbroblem ......but i was never able to format the drive . And in this vídeo i think it never show format ssd . Because in my case it recognized the drive but allways give error when i try to format
Because Red allows to write to it, but has to have the right combo of serial number in order to format it. They are checking the serial ATA id number to allow full access to the external media.
I hope this blows up
Yo man this is huuuuge!!
Very goood job!
UA-cam's next recommended video after this:
"
Darius I and The Greatest Lie in History"
How appropriate!
I'm not a red customer, but good on you for exposing this behavior. Will be interesting to see if a class action eventuates.
Killing it!
I was able to find every part except the simple passthrough PCB, please send a link where I can purchase part. Thank you so much for the great info.
You should get a mSATA connector and a CHAMP connector and go pin to pin as I described in the third video in the playlist. I will publish the schematics and diagram soon
Wait -- does this mean I could buy a 1tb micron sata drive, and stick it in an old 64gb Redmag shell to upgrade it to a 1TB drive? Is it that simple? And if so, can you please share a link to a compatible micron drive? Thanks for sharing this!
They may have a special check in camera itself that throws "errors" if it detects sizes that aren't technically sold by RED. Tho, someone with the camera would need to check it.
Wow, I was always skeptical of Red..this is hilarious!
A reputable company CEO doesn't explain anything trough forum, he send lawsuits. In italy we say: He feels that he has his butt dirty. That he did something wrong and he cannot act as a regular company.
WaapRepeat What would he sue for
What if I bought one 120gb red mini mag, and then just kept swapping those m.2s inside? Would that be somehow possible, if I updated the firmware?
This needs more views!
Are there any 3D modells of the enclouser? It would be pretty fast to create a DIY kit for red storage only with the pcb and case+screws sold!
Can you take some other M Sata SSD from Amazon and put it in Camera to see what it does?
It's an American company, what do you expect? You're paying to keep their shareholders happy, their stock prices high on Wall street, and their CEO in his million dollar mansion, all the while their employees get paid 10 bucks an hour. This is the business model of all American corporations.
merci pour l'info
Busted would be an understatement.
This is a link to Micron's response regarding RED claims for having a customised firmware on the RED MINI-MAG device
facebook.com/JinniMag/photos/a.161026957640273/610937579315873/?type=3&theater
DId you try to record something.. I did the same thing with the regular size mag but when I went to record the system said the drive was not record enabled
If regular m-sata drives work then RED would be the ideal platform. Just swap out the old drive and pop in a 1tb. Or stick cameras from BM.
Will you put out a video showing us how to successfully upgrade the storage in our mini mag?
Er technically, this video already does exactly that
We'd like to. Once we get the clearances from our lawyers...
@@JinniTech Doing god's work!
@@JinniTech Hopefully you can sell just the card enclosures for people who would like to DIY a card
@@JuiceBlack Jinni Tech mentioned in a previous comment that it is not enough to just switch out the hardware.
Great informational video. While it is noted as a 512GB drive the actual capacity and available capacity noted on the red display match what you would expect at 447GB. I have no doubt it's actually a 512GB with the difference held back and thus not advertised as it isn't usable. Pretty shady on Red but you neglect to mention this a couple times in the video.
Overall loved the videos on this topic, I love to see companies be outed for their deceptive practices. Overpricing things for the sake of pretending it's better-made than anything else off the shelf is nothing more than a total joke. Seeing all the various creators on UA-cam that use Reds and pay into their branding schemes is a bit disappointing, so it's nice to see someone actually provide videos like this to put pressure on the company.
There are a few small points you mentioned though that are a little misleading, one being the SSD size reported by the camera. The SSD itself reports the size information back to the device connected and reading it. This is the same case for any SSD reporting both the true size of all memory on the device as well as the true usable space that isn't reserved for SSD health purposes. For example, my 250gig SSD from Samsung reports the same way as you see RED report the sizes. My system sees it as 250gigs but usable space is only actually 232gigs. I do agree, it is up to RED for which size they choose to display and picking the non-accessible total size is a bit stupid. (I'd suggest they display both the full true size and the full usable size similar to how Windows and other operating systems work.)
One other thing, if your intention was to hide the Crucial drive serial at the 9:20 mark, your editing fails to cover it up properly while your hand moves in to grab the drive. As well as when you place it into the RED and then when you display the last portion of the serial. If you pause the video in various spots around that time you can rebuild the serial easily. (Starts with: 14100C06... etc.) The other blurred info can be made out in spots too. Just a heads up if you did intend for that to not be seen by RED.
atom0s You’re wrong bud, their red mag have way less capacity than normal. If a drive is advertised at 512, you might get 480, but Red is barely over 400
Great video, just one correction on the 480/512 GB thing. There is two different GB abbrevations and two different ways of measuring Gigabytes!
One Gigabyte can be calculated with two formulas:
1) 1000^3 (This can be called a Gigabyte)
2) 1024^2 (this is called a Gibibyte)
The second way (Gibibyte) is the way the "JEDEC standard" defines a gigabyte. So one JEDEC Gibabyte is equal to one Gibibyte. This is where the shady marketing comes in!
You can sell a 480 GiB (JEDEC Gigabyte) drive as a 512 GB drive, because 480 Gibibyte translate to roughly 515GB (non-JEDEC Gigabyte). This is a marketing trick thats going on for a long time now, but its not false advertisement, because they don't specificially say JEDEC standard Gigabyte.
EDIT:
I just continued watching the video and the camera clearly shows 448.1 GiB (Gibibyte/JEDEC standard Gibabyte). This makes this drive basically a scam, because red is misleading customers, people should really consider suing RED.
Like you noticed later:
In the case of Red 512GB, the SSD is Micron M500 480GB
- Model: M500 480GB
- Total LBA
-- Decimal: 937,703,088
-- Hexadecimal: 37E436B0
- Max LBA
-- Decimal:
937,703,087
-- Hexadecimal: 37E436AF
- User Available Bytes
(Unformatted): 480,103,981,056
So:
480,103,981,056 / (1024*1024*1024) = 447.13 GB (Unformatted)
That supplies about 430 GB “formatted” capacity to the user.
This is where Linus got it very wrong re. over-provisioning. Not sure if he fact-checked any of those things he said.
All that said, when the manufacturer says 480GB, it won't make sense for the reseller to call it 512GB and tries to justify it with whatever formula, counting method, etc.
Now this is a good video
Could you just 3d print an enclosure, add adapter, flash firmware and use it?
I'm amazed how they thought absolutely nobody would ever open these drives and they wouldn't get caught lol. No matter how large a price you put on a product, somebody will always crack in open to see what's inside.
Dude. This is outrageous! 10 times more for branding !
One thing I would be interested in, is if it still works with a diffrent capacity or drive manufacturer.
This is crazy. More people need to see thos
Those who disliked are mostly RED employees 😂😂😂
This is gonna stir some shit up, can't wait to see what happens
I agree with pretty much everything you are saying in the video, but I would like to point out that RED is probably not lying about the size of the drive just using a different spec. I'm pretty certain that the Crucial drive has 512GB of flash memory, it just limits the amount available to the user to 480GB and reserves the other 32GB for wear leveling, remapping bad sectors, and possibly running as cache.
Three and a half min in, and finally what I clicked on the video for
If they claim the price is that high because of the Red camera using some good way for redundancy...they should include the cost in the Red camera (what they have probably done looking at the price of that :) ), and not in the storage medium. I can understand them reassembling SSDs in a robust package, but charging such high amounts for an of the shelf SSD and Msata adapter is ridiculous.
try and put a larger ssd in one
also is there a way to buy the adapter without the whole ssd?
Maybe try searching AliExpress for PCB manufacturers, who can probably make them and sell them at really cheap prices. Like PCB projects found on UA-cam channel strange parts.
This video needs more views
5:10 Can someone provide a link to that connector I can't find it. I think it has another name.
Regarding the size of the SSD, it is the problem that has existed for years with hard disks, in fact there is a huge problem connected to the units of measurement that are used in the computer world, RED declares that they are 512 GB, and they really are , while computers read the memory sizes in GiB, which correspond to 476,837GiB, ≈480GiB
They are 480 gigabits, which reads as 440 gigabytes when he plugs it into the PC, it even displays 440 Gigabytes on the "available data" capacity on the camera.
I do wonder how this works wity adapters, I have previous problems with using non RED adapters to transfer data to a PC and not working at all until I used an "original" red adapter.
The RED mag where 1terabite tho. You know if this was a case of RED being shitty or the adapter not being able to process the 1tb? As previously it did well with the "520 gb"
So nobody hask . Can you format the drive?????????????
Point is, its all point to point though there are some repetating points. then i never thought he will put taht back into the camera again. Nice work.
Any thoughts on the sensor?
right, im off to make some of those pcbs..
Sooooo.... let’s figure out some CAD files, open source the project and make the GREEN MAXI MAG.
We definitely will work on the CAD files.
Please make a group on Facebook to organize all of our efforts :)
How hard is this to do at home? Do I need to do anything special that's not shown in the video??
MisterWealth Nope
In other words, a big company making money by selling massively overpriced products is upset because someone else is selling the same product for a legitimate price, and best of all they are not even breaking any laws!
Can you use other brands and sizes ?
And could you cut out one side and put in a wd 2tb for example ?
I have an Epic Dragon. Is there a way to use the red mag housing to incorporate cfexpress for storage
Great video man, but It's quite difficult to hear your voice. Could I suggest you try reducing the bass and then adding some compression?