At that moment pycelle seemed genuine. He becomes more likeable at this point...its interesting how once tywiin is killed..at his funeral you see genuine grief and a sense of loss
Nah, Tyrion is smart, but he wasn't that great of a warrior as Jaimie...moreover Tyrion wasn't ready to do all it took for his family, like that time he was supposed to make a child with Sansa, also when he married Tysha(a whore)...if Tyrion might have done more for his family he could have had Casterly Rock...but that's what's great about Tyrion his ability and wits to play the game of thrones, and also his humanity...and what's great about Tywin is his love for his family, and how easy he is capable of doing things no one else would have(like the time he drowned the Reynes in their own cave...if that was Tyrion he wouldn't have done it)...It seems that the 3 children of Tywin both have something from their father, Tyrion his mind and wits, Jaimie his physical ability and skill of military tactics, and Cersei his ruthlesness
@@hiluminatul6750 that's because Tyrion was a better version than Tywin. In this ideia do "doing everything for the family", Tywin did a lot a shit, he had no compassion whatsoever. However, even if Tyrion is physically a monster, he is smart as his father, but a far better person. Not raping Sansa is what sets him apart from Tywin. And Tysha wasn't a whore.
Daniel Meurer Well Tyrion is a better person...but he’s not a good ruler!When Tywin was hand of the king to The Mad King the realm prospered(Sure, could be that he was a different person as his wife was still alive) but generally people think Tywin hated Tyrion because he was a dwarf...while he hated him because it killed his wife, the only person who he loved the most
@@hiluminatul6750 Tywin hated Tyrion for both of the reasons you stated. He killed his wife AND was a shame to the Lannisters. Adding to that, Tyrion was also his best son, and Tywin hated him even more because of it. And he wasn't a bad ruler, it just happens that Tywin is much older and had way more experience with it.
@@meurer13daniel I agree with you...Tywin also hated Tyrion for shaming the Lannister(always drinking, and always fucking whores and common girls and so on)...and I don't deny Tyrion isn't Tywin's best son...but I have to say Tyrion, even though was great at playing the Game, he ultimately failed because of compasion...compasion to Shae and failing to see what kind of person she was
Ah, you meant Charles Dance trained on a real stag. Because every time I see that scene, all I think is that it's way too clean to be an actually skinning scene.
Edward IV? I don't think so. I think Tywin's much more similar to Richard, Duke of York (Edward IV and Richard III's father) and maybe the Earl of Warwick. Edward was (in his campaigning years) a young, towering, strong, boisterous and decadent frontline general fighting to avenge a fallen father. He has much stronger parallels in Robert Baratheon and Robb Stark. EDIT: Derp I wasn't up to the bit where they mentioned Edward I. Well I'll leave my comment there anyway because I think the other stuff I said was still right.
@@tancreddehauteville9983 True, and in the books, Tywin's body smells terribly. Many believes it is because Oberyn actually poisoned him, but it could also be a symbolic reference to how one source talks of how Henry 2's body was smelling so bad, that it caused guarding men to die. Henry 2 is also remembered for his great governance, something Tywin is as well
Id always imagine that Tywin looked upon the Stark children with envy, even though he opposed them. You had Robb, the brilliant, fiery young general who bested Tywin multiple times and did the memory of his father proud. You had Arya, a quick witted and precocious child who picked up and applied information with ease and had it in her to orchestrate and carry out some brutal murders worthy of Tywin himself. You had Sansa who was a real trooper and took all kinds of abuse on the chin, from Cersei, from Joffery, indirectly from Tywin who married her off to Tyrion and bore them with stoism at first for the sake of her family and then for the sake of her own survival once her family had been killed, which isnt something she should have had to do, but no doubt Tywin would have admired that, and you had Jon Snow, a natural leader like his brother, but quieter and more reserved, a man who could inspire and unite staunch generations long enemies to work together under his command, who faced down white walkers and giants and his own men when need be a young guy with the heart of a hero in the truest sense. These were Tywin's ideal children, but the tragedy is that he had no idea how to be the kind of father who could raise his children to be what he wanted them to be. It never occured to him that he could do things differently, that he could nurture his children and teach them the values he cared about, like discipline and duty and love of family through love and respect rather than through fear and lecturing. Ned's children looked to him as an example long after he was dead. Meanwhile, Cersei, Jaime and Tyrion viewed Tywin with resentment and frustration and because of that did everything in their power to rebel against his plans for them.
Except in the books, Starks arent "brilliant". Robb died because he was reckless and dumb and he didnt honored his promise (also couldnt control his allies, couldnt smell the betrayal from Boltons etc etc). Jon is a complicated "Bastard" with a lot of foul actions which caused him to get killed. On the other hand Jamie was one of the best swordsman in whole westeros. And he was kinda his ideal child for a long time, till he developed his character later in the books. But if we only take the show as a source, yeah could be right.
There were also rumors around the time of Tyrion's birth of Aerys II "taking certain liberties" with Joanna Lannister so Tywin proably always wondered whether Tyrion was actually his son
Nah. I think it was more the fact that Joanna died giving birth to him. If he had been born a Dwarf, Tywin would have just shirked it off and put him somewhere out of the way.
Sorry for the zombification of this thread, but I think being a dwarf is what made Tyrion who he was. Had he been born normal he would most definitely have grown into a different man because every single aspect of his life would have been completely, drastically different.
No wonder I feel an almost spiritual connection to Tywin, he seems to be inspired by my ancestor, Edward Longshanks. The long legs are strong in my family.
I always thought he was a bit Richard the Lionheart, especially when I read that King Richard was slain by a peasant boy with a crossbow. Some accounts even claim it was said "The Ant has slain the Lion" which sounds so very Game of Thrones. However I think Edward the First's political cunning and ruthlessness does make him a good match for Tywin. Especially in his old age after the death of his beloved wife and all the frustration with Scotland's resistance he became very cruel.
I think Tywin is most like Edward I. Edward's father, Henry III., was as weak and troubled by other houses as Tywin's father was challenged by the Reyns of Castamaere. Like Tywin Edward had to fight for his father while his father was still king. Edward I had the lover of his gay son, Edward II, banished, much like Tywin treated Tyrion's wirst wife. John of Gaunt is also a good comparison, firstly because of his title (Duke of Lancaster = Lannister). But I think he resembles Tyrion more than Tywin. Like Tyrion he was the uncle of young Richard II. who was cruel and believed to be mad (=Joffrey). John of Gaunt was hated by the Londoners but helped his nephew at rebellions (like Tyrion helped to defend Kings Landing). In fact there was a rebellion of peasants in London who killed a bishop, much like the peasants in Kigs Landing are killing the High Septon. John of Gaunt's son Henry II got into trial and had to go to France for a while, just like Tyrion had to flee to Essos. I think Warwick the Kingsmaker inspired either Baelish (opportunistic, the man behind the Civil war, gets power by marriage) or Roose Bolton (betrays the Starks/ Yorks and sides with the Lannisters/ Lancasters).
Richard the Lionheart sounds a lot more like Robert besides the death since Richard was a great military mind and a charismatic war hero however he is known as Richard the Lionheart instead of Richard the great because he never seemed to master all the other details of ruling.
@@getass3290 I see a lot more Henry the 8th in Robert. They both started off as a bold, admired, handsome young men who loved to hunt and fight, then became obese, tyrannical brutes in later years.
@@MegaLickitung Henry VIII's military accomplishments are not on the same level as king Robert's and king Roberts accomplishments as King are not on the same level as king Henry's.
A great movie with Edward the I being the main antagonist is The Outlaw King. The funny part is that the actor playing Edward is the actor that plays Stannis Baratheon in GoT (and other 2 or 3 GoT actors playing small rols). Great movie, with the best part being the actors and the one playing the Prince of Gales (Edward's son) is amazing. I recommend it a lot to my fellow unknown people from the internet.
@@Brandonhayhew i dont see tywin as a villain,he was a man that fought for the survival of his house and fough to won the war and more power,tell me how is that different from robb and daenarys,so far the difference is that tywin won the war and robb lost,so no i love tywin is aowsome,but i dont see him as a villain
@@alphagamer9505 Come on its like simplifies history lke Tywin is vest villain like the historical inaccuracies of braveheart but compare it to outlaw king which was more a bit accurate to the actual one. Longshank was a ruthless and smart and john of gaunt was a man of honor and ruthless cunning mondset his got. Its easy to image him being a bad guy to willingly fucked up a family and being ambition its easy to romanticism him as a villain
@Rusty trumbone In the books, he completely ruined Tyrion's first marriage by forcing her to lie to him that she didn't love him anymore and had her gang rape by bunch of his men and pretend to enjoy it. Then he force Tyrion to psuedo rape her as well after his men were done. He did all this because he though Tyrion's first wife didn't love him and was just a gold digger.
Tywin actually did have what we wanted in so many regards. A bad ass son who was the finest warrior in the land. A daughter married to the king. Royal family. Another son who's witty and practical. Tywin just poorly led them out of idk pride or something. That actually be a great mini series or something, showing us younger tywin and the choices that built him into almost the man he wanted to be. (For example why he couldn't love again after his first wife died which I think ties into his hate of tyrion 😭)
Legend has it that in the aftermath of lord Tywin's death. When his body was being moved from the chamberpot on which he was crossbowed a golden turd was seen inside the chamberpot.
@@camdevtube mind you, he would have told Daenerys what he told Joffrey: any man (woman) who feels the need to say he is the king (queen) is no true king (queen)
Those interested in the period there an excellent podcast called History of England that goes cronalogically through English history from the 9th century on.
@@GeorgeInHerJungle its the 7th not the 9th. I don't know. Think it was because the Anglo Saxon we the beginning of England moving towards a political entity.
@msdm83 just listened to the first episode. He explains it there. Apparently there are only 2 sources that write about the history of native Britons at the time. Bede and Gildas - and they wrote it hundreds of years after the events so they are not reliable. Thanks for the suggestion. I would also suggest The history of English podcast - it goes into the history of how the language evolved and has a lot of english history as well
GRRM was also inspired by the series of novels entitled "the accursed kings", a historical drama about the french monarchy in the 14th century. He even referred to it as the "original game of thrones". Many characters in got are inspired by real life characters we see in those novels. Namely, cersei bears a striking resemblance of temperament with the queen Isabella, the "she-wolf of France". While i agree tywin bears certain similarities with Edward I, i would say the king Philip IV is much more similar. He is surnamed "The Iron King" for his inflexibility and ruthlessness, notably with the way he organised the dismantlement of the Knight Templars and the plundering of their riches. There is a scene in the 1st novel that puts emphasis on Philip's particularly cold gaze. Sitting at his council table, one of his ministers feels uncomfortable being stared at by the king after saying something displeasing. He then proceeds to retract himself to avoid the awkward situation. Doesnt this ring a bell about a certain anecdote in one of GRRM's novels? ;)
I’m reading the first book, The Iron King and it’s really good. Engaging and couldn’t help but make parallels with GoT characters superficially. Phillip the Fair did embody Tywin Lannister to a tee in my mind. History is truly or in this case historical fiction more eye opening. No shade against Martin mind you. 😊
Nietzche’s Overman philosophy would be as apt and applied as Machiavelli’s. He was the Mad King’s chief steward, Hand of the King, for years before he resigned and many hands fell in quick succession because they could not counter Aerys II’s calls for burning and ritual loyalty checks.
He is often more cruel than necessary, and this even puts him into trouble several times. For example, he is pretty much responsible for the fact that Jaime lost his hand.
This was a fantastic show, at least it was until the last season which was horrible of course. But the father here that this video focuses on he was fantastic. What an incredible character and tremendous actor.
I don't think it has ever been confirmed, but I'd imagine the manner of Tywin's death was influenced by one chronicler's recording of the death of King Edmund Ironside, who claimed that he was shot with a crossbow whilst on the privy.
That’s a good point - I also see some Bismarck in Tywin, the way he was (1) not a king and yet really the guy in charge, and (2) he was extremely pragmatic and, for all his ruthlessness, coldly analytical - willing to make deals with people he didn’t like if that was the smart thing to do (like Tywin’s alliance with the Tyrells).
Tywin‘s kids though, definitely have it in them to continue his legacy and potentially be just as good at politics, especially Tyrion. It‘s almost entirely on Tywin (and to a lesser degree Cersei) that it all goes to shit. He can‘t get them to get along even a little bit and I think ultimately he can‘t accept the fact that Tyrion is the one who takes after him the most.
Jaime actually is a good military leader, even better after losing his hand. He did fail at Whispering Wood, yes. Even there he fell for a smart trap. His actual siege of Winterfell was tactically correct according to Tywin himself. Everything else so far in the books he has soundly won, either through combat or negotiation. He is admired by his men but can intimidate If he wants to use that to further his plans. And I expect him to be the valonquar.
If you were wondering if it's the same Edward from the movie "Braveheart?" Answer: Edward I (17/18 June 1239 - 7 July 1307), also known as Edward Longshanks and the Hammer of the Scots (Latin: Malleus ... The first son of Henry III
Julius Caesar didn't have much in common with either Tywin or Stannis. Caesar was a highly charismatic man, reportedly second only to Cicero in his skill with oratory, and even rivals praised his wit. He could be vain, was a womanizer who bedded both foreign queens and the wives of most his rivals, but could be magnanimous with his Roman enemies. Most of the Senators who fought against him in the civil war were pardoned. Tywin & Stannis were both skilled militarily (though they don't match Caesar's brilliance), but neither had his charisma or skill with oratory. Tywin & Stannis are both very stern men in comparison. Tywin perhaps had some of Caesar's vanity, but neither Tywin or Stannis were magnanimous. Put Stannis or Tywin in Caesar's place in the civil war and there would have been lots of executions and proscriptions. They'd have much more in common with Sulla in that respect. Neither Tywin or Stannis had a reputation for taking a lot of lovers either.
@@Bronn92 yes, but especially the Tiberius from the book 'i Claudius'. But a bunch of characters of game of thrones are very similar to the characters of I Claudius
If you compare the Scots to the Wildlings, which makes sense because the Wall is inspired by Hadrian's wall, then yes he is the closest to Mance Rayder
I think Tywin is most like Edward I. Edward's father, Henry III., was as weak and troubled by other houses as Tywin's father was challenged by the Reyns of Castamaere. Like Tywin Edward had to fight for his father while his father was still king. Edward I had the lover of his gay son, Edward II, banished, much like Tywin treated Tyrion's wirst wife. John of Gaunt is also a good comparison, firstly because of his title (Duke of Lancaster = Lannister). But I think he resembles Tyrion more than Tywin. Like Tyrion he was the uncle of young Richard II. who was cruel and believed to be mad (=Joffrey). John of Gaunt was hated by the Londoners but helped his nephew at rebellions (like Tyrion helped to defend Kings Landing). In fact there was a rebellion of peasants in London who killed a bishop, much like the peasants in Kigs Landing are killing the High Septon. John of Gaunt's son Henry II got into trial and had to go to France for a while, just like Tyrion had to flee to Essos. I think Warwick the Kingsmaker inspired either Baelish (opportunistic, the man behind the Civil war, gets power by marriage) or Roose Bolton (betrays the Starks/ Yorks and sides with the Lannisters/ Lancasters).
If Edward II was gay, how did he manage at least 5 children, at least one a bastard (and thus for fun, not statesmanship)? Clearly, Christopher Marlowe was projecting himself on Edward II.
@@Egilhelmson okay I didn't know about his bastard, that's interesting. Maybe he was bisexual. Or the stories about him being gay were made up by the noblemen of his time. At least there was a nobleman called Piers Gaveston, Earl of Cornwall, who was said to be the lover of Edward and was banished and beheaded later, if I remember correctly...
I always thought he was based a little bit on Augustus/First Emperor of Rome. Due to him forcing his kids to marry to keep the family dynasty going. The Julian Claudian Dynasty.
George Martin ja disse que um dos personagens reais em que se inspirou para Tywin seria Felipe o belo, rei daFrança.George é fã dos livros de Maurice Druon no livro o rei de Ferro vemos o Tywin dos livros.
I always compared Warwick to Littlefinger, because he's so opportunistic and kind of stands behind the civil war. He also gets part of his power by marriage like Baelish by his marriage to Lysa Arryn.
Edward wasn't there at Stirling bridge he was in France.It wasn't Northmen(AKA Vikings) it was Scots led by Andrew Murray,who was the brains of the battle and someone called William Wallace.Murray was killed in the battle,which led to Wallace losing the battle of Falkirk sometime after when Edward did come north.But then some Aussie guy made a movie and ....you know.
So your hypothesis is that the Kingdom of Scotland would have dissipated had Edward II been a stronger King. That would require a massive discussion to argue your case, you could probably draw up a thesis on it with lots of research. Of course you are not going to do all of that for a youutbe comment, nor would i expect you to. My point is, think about what you are saying before you draw to a conclusion. How do you know this for sure, what sort of evidence have you looked at to come to that conclusion. We all have thoughts which explode in our brains, and that's fine. But it's ignorant to believe something until you explore it and validate it in such a way that you could convince someone else to believe you and answer any questions people challenge you with.
Æðelwulf Coe don’t act like you weren’t intentionally trying to provoke others in responding to what is obviously a very controversial opinion to hold.
Not really. Scotland is difficult to hold because of all the highlands, forests and islands. Up to Stirling or Callander you could hold, but beyond that would be extremely difficult.
Not really. England could've probably held it for a few more decades, maybe a century, but the geography of the area combined with England's focus in the centuries to follow being given to conflicts in mainland Europe such as France as well as the various crusades for Jerusalem would make Scotland (at least in its majority) very difficult to maintain regardless of what type of ruler was on the throne.
The long shanks.... One of the most powerful and successful Kings we had. Now overshadowed by the enemies he largely vanquished, Wallace for example. But let down by how offspring who lost Scotland to The Bruce!
Before Edward was king he took 1000 men on a personal crusade against the entire Mamluk empire and he fought alongside Mongols. While he was there a Nizari assassin (assassins creed) snuck past his guards and tried to kill him in his sleep but he woke up and killed the assassin in single combat.
Love these videos but not Edward I. Tywin was not King but rather one of the leaders of the noble houses in the War of the Roses? Richard of York? Lord Stanley?
I dont buy that Lannister is based on Edward Longshanks. Richard Plantagenet of York was the father of Edward IV and Richard III; he was considered the most competent man in the kingdom but was not actually King. I cant remember which POV character recalls a visit to court as a child and seeing a man on the Iron Throne taking petitions, the POV though it was the king, later to realize it was Tywin. And this lady at (1:00) says Edward I was devious...really? Edward I was one of the most chivalrous Kings England ever had, I know you all think his actions in Braveheart disprove this but there is no evidence that Edward ever killed nobles like in the movie.
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Guys I don't think lots of you are being fair with Tywin in regards to Tyrion, for starters in the books Tyrion doesn't look like someone who could very well be the brother of Jaime just a couple feet shorter, he's like a goblin from lotr with mismatched eyes and blonde and black hair that hardly looks human especially post nose injury. I'm saying this because Tywin's wife who he loved like no other and was supposedly the one thing that you make him crack a smile didn't simply die giving birth to Tyrion but it was hinted in the books that the Mad King made moves at her too (I wouldn't go as far as to say that Tyrion is implied to be the Mad king's just that it's a lot less obvious that he's a Lannister in a smaller version) and with all the incest and the way the mad king himself was a child like that would potentially bring to Tywin's mind that old king. Other than that, both in the books and in the show (especially in the show) Tywin is surprisingly fair with Tyrion all things considered. He, in no way, expects more of Tyrion than he does of say Cersei. He puts on some ground rules "Stop your drinking, stop your whoring, stop your mean remarks" etc etc and Tyrion doesn't do a single one for a single moment. Tywin did say that whole "You'll never get casterly rock cause you're a beast" or something along those lines but being fair again, Tyrion had just done all the shit Tywin had told him not to and he's quite simply not the son he wants Casterly Rock to go to. Robert Baratheon didn't give his brother Stannis what he wanted either and we're not saying "Robert Baratheon mistreated Stannis cause he's an ugly piece of shit" we just accept that Bobby-B didn't want to give Stannis the damn castle. In regards to Tysha, yeah that one was harsh. I dunno, I suppose we can chalk it up to it being far rougher times and Tywin being a brutal piece of shit too. It's weird though, if you really think about it why would Tywin truly mind it so unbearably much if Tyrion who he supposedly never liked married a random ? You could definitely argue that "well he's still a Lannister" and that's what I'm more inclined towards too though it's not impossible that this means that Tywin didn't ever truly consider Tyrion as anything but his son and thus was held to the same expectations as any son of his would be. Anyways, tldr: Tywin did nothing wrong to Tyrion (Except the Tysha ordeal)
"I have served six kings, but here before us lies the greatest man I ever knew. Lord Tywin wore no crown, yet he was all a king should be."
Pycelle.
Pycelle, a bigger simp than Jorah, don't blame him
@@hamzaorakzai3490 Who are the 6 kings ?
I only know the Mad King , Robert , Jeffrey and Tommen .
At that moment pycelle seemed genuine. He becomes more likeable at this point...its interesting how once tywiin is killed..at his funeral you see genuine grief and a sense of loss
@@joerogue231 Before Aerys II, his father Jaehaerys II was King and before him it was Aegon V The Unlikely.
Tyrion was the son Tywin always wanted but never loved tsk tsk tsk...
Nah, Tyrion is smart, but he wasn't that great of a warrior as Jaimie...moreover Tyrion wasn't ready to do all it took for his family, like that time he was supposed to make a child with Sansa, also when he married Tysha(a whore)...if Tyrion might have done more for his family he could have had Casterly Rock...but that's what's great about Tyrion his ability and wits to play the game of thrones, and also his humanity...and what's great about Tywin is his love for his family, and how easy he is capable of doing things no one else would have(like the time he drowned the Reynes in their own cave...if that was Tyrion he wouldn't have done it)...It seems that the 3 children of Tywin both have something from their father, Tyrion his mind and wits, Jaimie his physical ability and skill of military tactics, and Cersei his ruthlesness
@@hiluminatul6750 that's because Tyrion was a better version than Tywin. In this ideia do "doing everything for the family", Tywin did a lot a shit, he had no compassion whatsoever.
However, even if Tyrion is physically a monster, he is smart as his father, but a far better person. Not raping Sansa is what sets him apart from Tywin.
And Tysha wasn't a whore.
Daniel Meurer Well Tyrion is a better person...but he’s not a good ruler!When Tywin was hand of the king to The Mad King the realm prospered(Sure, could be that he was a different person as his wife was still alive) but generally people think Tywin hated Tyrion because he was a dwarf...while he hated him because it killed his wife, the only person who he loved the most
@@hiluminatul6750 Tywin hated Tyrion for both of the reasons you stated. He killed his wife AND was a shame to the Lannisters. Adding to that, Tyrion was also his best son, and Tywin hated him even more because of it.
And he wasn't a bad ruler, it just happens that Tywin is much older and had way more experience with it.
@@meurer13daniel I agree with you...Tywin also hated Tyrion for shaming the Lannister(always drinking, and always fucking whores and common girls and so on)...and I don't deny Tyrion isn't Tywin's best son...but I have to say Tyrion, even though was great at playing the Game, he ultimately failed because of compasion...compasion to Shae and failing to see what kind of person she was
Apparently in his opening scene, they had a real life- dead stagg and the actor had to learn how to skin the animal before filming
Stephen Cantarero yes that is true
Ah, you meant Charles Dance trained on a real stag. Because every time I see that scene, all I think is that it's way too clean to be an actually skinning scene.
So the Lion devours the Stag.
It's as if a Lannister like Tywin is trying to usurp the usurper; a Baratheon like Robert.
@@TragicHamad that is actually not the only time this is done. There is also a deleted scene where we see Tywin fishing, killing the tully sigil
@@baconbacon6128 .. That’s cool. I didn’t know that.
Tywin is Edward, one ruled a Kingdom and one wasn’t king but ruled 7 of them 👑
Edward IV? I don't think so. I think Tywin's much more similar to Richard, Duke of York (Edward IV and Richard III's father) and maybe the Earl of Warwick. Edward was (in his campaigning years) a young, towering, strong, boisterous and decadent frontline general fighting to avenge a fallen father. He has much stronger parallels in Robert Baratheon and Robb Stark.
EDIT: Derp I wasn't up to the bit where they mentioned Edward I. Well I'll leave my comment there anyway because I think the other stuff I said was still right.
Robert R you should watch the video, the comparison of Tywin is with Edward I ‘Longshanks’, the one who ruled at the end of the 13th century.
I would say that there is also a bit of Henry 2 in Tywin.
ww12tt I do see the resemblance of Tyrion to The Young King Henry, he wanted lands so badly but his father the Old King didn’t want to give him any.
@@tancreddehauteville9983 True, and in the books, Tywin's body smells terribly. Many believes it is because Oberyn actually poisoned him, but it could also be a symbolic reference to how one source talks of how Henry 2's body was smelling so bad, that it caused guarding men to die. Henry 2 is also remembered for his great governance, something Tywin is as well
Id always imagine that Tywin looked upon the Stark children with envy, even though he opposed them. You had Robb, the brilliant, fiery young general who bested Tywin multiple times and did the memory of his father proud. You had Arya, a quick witted and precocious child who picked up and applied information with ease and had it in her to orchestrate and carry out some brutal murders worthy of Tywin himself. You had Sansa who was a real trooper and took all kinds of abuse on the chin, from Cersei, from Joffery, indirectly from Tywin who married her off to Tyrion and bore them with stoism at first for the sake of her family and then for the sake of her own survival once her family had been killed, which isnt something she should have had to do, but no doubt Tywin would have admired that, and you had Jon Snow, a natural leader like his brother, but quieter and more reserved, a man who could inspire and unite staunch generations long enemies to work together under his command, who faced down white walkers and giants and his own men when need be a young guy with the heart of a hero in the truest sense. These were Tywin's ideal children, but the tragedy is that he had no idea how to be the kind of father who could raise his children to be what he wanted them to be. It never occured to him that he could do things differently, that he could nurture his children and teach them the values he cared about, like discipline and duty and love of family through love and respect rather than through fear and lecturing. Ned's children looked to him as an example long after he was dead. Meanwhile, Cersei, Jaime and Tyrion viewed Tywin with resentment and frustration and because of that did everything in their power to rebel against his plans for them.
Thats exactly what I think of the relationship between Tywin and his sons. You nailed it. Bravo! 👏👏👏
It’s almost as if he should have respected them as human beings and showed them love, then perhaps they would have been down with his plans.
Except in the books, Starks arent "brilliant". Robb died because he was reckless and dumb and he didnt honored his promise (also couldnt control his allies, couldnt smell the betrayal from Boltons etc etc).
Jon is a complicated "Bastard" with a lot of foul actions which caused him to get killed.
On the other hand Jamie was one of the best swordsman in whole westeros. And he was kinda his ideal child for a long time, till he developed his character later in the books.
But if we only take the show as a source, yeah could be right.
Owen Leal very well said!
I ghink tywin would’ve really liked tyrion more than cersei and jamie if he hadn’t been a dwarf because he is smart enough to play well in politics
I think Tyrion would not of suffered as much cruelty from Tywin Or Cerse if his mother had not died during his birth.
There were also rumors around the time of Tyrion's birth of Aerys II "taking certain liberties" with Joanna Lannister so Tywin proably always wondered whether Tyrion was actually his son
And because he killed Tywins wife.
Nah. I think it was more the fact that Joanna died giving birth to him. If he had been born a Dwarf, Tywin would have just shirked it off and put him somewhere out of the way.
Sorry for the zombification of this thread, but I think being a dwarf is what made Tyrion who he was. Had he been born normal he would most definitely have grown into a different man because every single aspect of his life would have been completely, drastically different.
I'm amazed that none of these people know how Edward I died. He fell ill on the road to Scotland after hearing the defeat at Loudoun hill.
So the Lion (of England) *DID* (kinda) get slain by the "dwarf" he always despised. And died of dysentery. ;-)
Was this in outlaw king?
Same scene in outlaw king
kysike666 Braveheart had him in due in bed too. Thought obviously I’m sure his actual death wasn’t as dramatic as the film made it out to be.
@@wariowuzo9433 It's always dramatic, when a King dies.
The irony is that Tyrion could've been that son if he had just opened his eyes a little.
If only he looked down a few feet
@@be6710 😂😂
Edward Longshanks, John of Gaunt, and Richard Neville Earl of Warwick aka the Kingmaker. There
Jorge Chávez There is Ser Cole in the Kingsguard who was named king maker just as the Earl of Warwick was
On point
No wonder I feel an almost spiritual connection to Tywin, he seems to be inspired by my ancestor, Edward Longshanks. The long legs are strong in my family.
I would say John I is a good comparison but Longshanks is definitely a better one
@@MissPopuri 😂😂😂
I always thought he was a bit Richard the Lionheart, especially when I read that King Richard was slain by a peasant boy with a crossbow. Some accounts even claim it was said "The Ant has slain the Lion" which sounds so very Game of Thrones.
However I think Edward the First's political cunning and ruthlessness does make him a good match for Tywin. Especially in his old age after the death of his beloved wife and all the frustration with Scotland's resistance he became very cruel.
Richard Lionheart was a dumb brute, so more like King Robert in GoT
I think Tywin is most like Edward I. Edward's father, Henry III., was as weak and troubled by other houses as Tywin's father was challenged by the Reyns of Castamaere. Like Tywin Edward had to fight for his father while his father was still king. Edward I had the lover of his gay son, Edward II, banished, much like Tywin treated Tyrion's wirst wife.
John of Gaunt is also a good comparison, firstly because of his title (Duke of Lancaster = Lannister). But I think he resembles Tyrion more than Tywin. Like Tyrion he was the uncle of young Richard II. who was cruel and believed to be mad (=Joffrey). John of Gaunt was hated by the Londoners but helped his nephew at rebellions (like Tyrion helped to defend Kings Landing). In fact there was a rebellion of peasants in London who killed a bishop, much like the peasants in Kigs Landing are killing the High Septon.
John of Gaunt's son Henry II got into trial and had to go to France for a while, just like Tyrion had to flee to Essos.
I think Warwick the Kingsmaker inspired either Baelish (opportunistic, the man behind the Civil war, gets power by marriage) or Roose Bolton (betrays the Starks/ Yorks and sides with the Lannisters/ Lancasters).
Richard the Lionheart sounds a lot more like Robert besides the death since Richard was a great military mind and a charismatic war hero however he is known as Richard the Lionheart instead of Richard the great because he never seemed to master all the other details of ruling.
@@getass3290 I see a lot more Henry the 8th in Robert. They both started off as a bold, admired, handsome young men who loved to hunt and fight, then became obese, tyrannical brutes in later years.
@@MegaLickitung Henry VIII's military accomplishments are not on the same level as king Robert's and king Roberts accomplishments as King are not on the same level as king Henry's.
Charles Dance is very handsome and even more so in his youth and he plays Tywin Lannister perfectly.
A great movie with Edward the I being the main antagonist is The Outlaw King. The funny part is that the actor playing Edward is the actor that plays Stannis Baratheon in GoT (and other 2 or 3 GoT actors playing small rols). Great movie, with the best part being the actors and the one playing the Prince of Gales (Edward's son) is amazing. I recommend it a lot to my fellow unknown people from the internet.
one of the sickest and most historically accurate medieval films in the last few decades, highly highly reccommend
@metropolitan1966 hahaha well, sorry for that. I guess is not for everyone.
This is how you create a best competent villain.
he wasnt a villain
@@alphagamer9505 Bullshit Tywin's the best villain made by Martin.
@@Brandonhayhew i dont see tywin as a villain,he was a man that fought for the survival of his house and fough to won the war and more power,tell me how is that different from robb and daenarys,so far the difference is that tywin won the war and robb lost,so no i love tywin is aowsome,but i dont see him as a villain
@@alphagamer9505 Come on its like simplifies history lke Tywin is vest villain like the historical inaccuracies of braveheart but compare it to outlaw king which was more a bit accurate to the actual one. Longshank was a ruthless and smart and john of gaunt was a man of honor and ruthless cunning mondset his got. Its easy to image him being a bad guy to willingly fucked up a family and being ambition its easy to romanticism him as a villain
@Rusty trumbone In the books, he completely ruined Tyrion's first marriage by forcing her to lie to him that she didn't love him anymore and had her gang rape by bunch of his men and pretend to enjoy it. Then he force Tyrion to psuedo rape her as well after his men were done. He did all this because he though Tyrion's first wife didn't love him and was just a gold digger.
Tywin actually did have what we wanted in so many regards. A bad ass son who was the finest warrior in the land. A daughter married to the king. Royal family. Another son who's witty and practical. Tywin just poorly led them out of idk pride or something.
That actually be a great mini series or something, showing us younger tywin and the choices that built him into almost the man he wanted to be. (For example why he couldn't love again after his first wife died which I think ties into his hate of tyrion 😭)
I thought he was the “Kingmaker” Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick
Ser Criston Cole was given the nickname "Kingmaker" by G.R.R.M as a parallel.
Legend has it that in the aftermath of lord Tywin's death. When his body was being moved from the chamberpot on which he was crossbowed a golden turd was seen inside the chamberpot.
I’ll always wonder how Tywin would have reacted to seeing the dragons burn his troops...
Especially after he suggested they'd be no bigger than cats.
@@Sawrattan The only time Tywin was dumber than Joffrey.
@@camdevtube mind you, he would have told Daenerys what he told Joffrey: any man (woman) who feels the need to say he is the king (queen) is no true king (queen)
@Bell 😂😂😂
He’d probably try making a political alliance with Danerys or something to survive
Those interested in the period there an excellent podcast called History of England that goes cronalogically through English history from the 9th century on.
Why 9th century? Would’ve been interesting to hear about the natives and the subsequent invasion by the Anglians, Saxons, and Jutes
@@GeorgeInHerJungle its the 7th not the 9th. I don't know. Think it was because the Anglo Saxon we the beginning of England moving towards a political entity.
@msdm83 just listened to the first episode. He explains it there. Apparently there are only 2 sources that write about the history of native Britons at the time. Bede and Gildas - and they wrote it hundreds of years after the events so they are not reliable. Thanks for the suggestion. I would also suggest The history of English podcast - it goes into the history of how the language evolved and has a lot of english history as well
@@GeorgeInHerJungle thanks I'll check it out
Can't seem to find the podcast. You got a link?
GRRM was also inspired by the series of novels entitled "the accursed kings", a historical drama about the french monarchy in the 14th century. He even referred to it as the "original game of thrones". Many characters in got are inspired by real life characters we see in those novels. Namely, cersei bears a striking resemblance of temperament with the queen Isabella, the "she-wolf of France". While i agree tywin bears certain similarities with Edward I, i would say the king Philip IV is much more similar. He is surnamed "The Iron King" for his inflexibility and ruthlessness, notably with the way he organised the dismantlement of the Knight Templars and the plundering of their riches. There is a scene in the 1st novel that puts emphasis on Philip's particularly cold gaze. Sitting at his council table, one of his ministers feels uncomfortable being stared at by the king after saying something displeasing. He then proceeds to retract himself to avoid the awkward situation. Doesnt this ring a bell about a certain anecdote in one of GRRM's novels? ;)
I've seen this on TV when I was a kid. my grand-parents liked that show. it was pretty violent
I’m reading the first book, The Iron King and it’s really good. Engaging and couldn’t help but make parallels with GoT characters superficially. Phillip the Fair did embody Tywin Lannister to a tee in my mind. History is truly or in this case historical fiction more eye opening. No shade against Martin mind you. 😊
There’s a lot of the accursed kings in there, but there’s a lot of Shakespeare’s 8 play Henriad in there as well
Tywin is Machiavelli's philosophy personified. Not evil or cruel, but categorically pragmatic.
^^This.
Nietzche’s Overman philosophy would be as apt and applied as Machiavelli’s. He was the Mad King’s chief steward, Hand of the King, for years before he resigned and many hands fell in quick succession because they could not counter Aerys II’s calls for burning and ritual loyalty checks.
He is often more cruel than necessary, and this even puts him into trouble several times. For example, he is pretty much responsible for the fact that Jaime lost his hand.
* Tysha has entered the chat *
He was great in The Golden Child also.
“Wherever the whore’s go.” Best last words ever!
In the end tywin Lannister did not shit gold
Stannis' actor plays Edward I in Outlaw King.
This was a fantastic show, at least it was until the last season which was horrible of course. But the father here that this video focuses on he was fantastic. What an incredible character and tremendous actor.
Tremendous Lord Of the fray! 🗡️⚔️🗡️🗿
I don't think it has ever been confirmed, but I'd imagine the manner of Tywin's death was influenced by one chronicler's recording of the death of King Edmund Ironside, who claimed that he was shot with a crossbow whilst on the privy.
Well said 👏
Charles Dance commanded every scene he was in. Such presence
My favourite character of the whole series
Cool to get the historical background.
Wow that's incredible all this time I thought he was like Edward Longshanks from Braveheart
Edward I, is Edward "Longshanks" aka Hammer of the Scots.
What documentary is this from?
Game of throne sbehind histories apparently
Great video
Intriguing.
Weird. I also pictured Tywin as a representation of Otto van Bismarck. The iron chancellor
Most of the characters had a war of the roses counterpart
That’s a good point - I also see some Bismarck in Tywin, the way he was (1) not a king and yet really the guy in charge, and (2) he was extremely pragmatic and, for all his ruthlessness, coldly analytical - willing to make deals with people he didn’t like if that was the smart thing to do (like Tywin’s alliance with the Tyrells).
To be clear I do think Edward I is the “main” historical counterpart for Tywin - but I also see some elements of Bismarck in him.
I would argue he is also somewhat based off Otto Von Bismarck in way cause they both ruled there respective empires mire then there actual monarchs.
Sound is very less
I always assumed he was based off of Richard Neville
Tywin‘s kids though, definitely have it in them to continue his legacy and potentially be just as good at politics, especially Tyrion.
It‘s almost entirely on Tywin (and to a lesser degree Cersei) that it all goes to shit. He can‘t get them to get along even a little bit and I think ultimately he can‘t accept the fact that Tyrion is the one who takes after him the most.
There was an english king that scared a bishop (or priest) to death
Reminds me of Tywin
“ I am so sick of these god dam starks “
He’s always reminded me a lot of Joseph Stalin.
Best character in the series.
Tywin or Olenna best adults. Best children Arya and Lyanna Mormont
An important similarity the video missed was that Edward I died of dysentery. Tywin's death on the toilet probably was a reference to that.
Jaime actually is a good military leader, even better after losing his hand. He did fail at Whispering Wood, yes. Even there he fell for a smart trap. His actual siege of Winterfell was tactically correct according to Tywin himself.
Everything else so far in the books he has soundly won, either through combat or negotiation. He is admired by his men but can intimidate If he wants to use that to further his plans.
And I expect him to be the valonquar.
If you were wondering if it's the same Edward from the movie "Braveheart?"
Answer: Edward I (17/18 June 1239 - 7 July 1307), also known as Edward Longshanks and the Hammer of the Scots (Latin: Malleus ... The first son of Henry III
English history is so interesting!
Is this on the extras of GoT?
Charles Dance should play Edward I in a movie about him.
I get serious Julius Caesar vibes from Tywin, and some from Stannis too.
Julius Caesar didn't have much in common with either Tywin or Stannis.
Caesar was a highly charismatic man, reportedly second only to Cicero in his skill with oratory, and even rivals praised his wit. He could be vain, was a womanizer who bedded both foreign queens and the wives of most his rivals, but could be magnanimous with his Roman enemies. Most of the Senators who fought against him in the civil war were pardoned.
Tywin & Stannis were both skilled militarily (though they don't match Caesar's brilliance), but neither had his charisma or skill with oratory. Tywin & Stannis are both very stern men in comparison. Tywin perhaps had some of Caesar's vanity, but neither Tywin or Stannis were magnanimous. Put Stannis or Tywin in Caesar's place in the civil war and there would have been lots of executions and proscriptions. They'd have much more in common with Sulla in that respect. Neither Tywin or Stannis had a reputation for taking a lot of lovers either.
No, Stannis is based on Tiberius, Martin has said a lot of times
Stannis also has similarities to Emperor Aurelian as well.
@@Bronn92 yes, but especially the Tiberius from the book 'i Claudius'. But a bunch of characters of game of thrones are very similar to the characters of I Claudius
stannis is supposed to be richard III.
Where is the music from?
Where is the full doc
What soundtrack is playing?
Cross between Edward and John of Gaunt.
So wait, if Tywin was Edward I "the longshanks", then who was William Wallace? Robert Stark?
The inspirations aren't always that precise. For instance Daenerys is partially based on cleopatra, and she never even saw Britain
Mance Rader?
If you compare the Scots to the Wildlings, which makes sense because the Wall is inspired by Hadrian's wall, then yes he is the closest to Mance Rayder
Yep he always remind me of lonshanks
"Hammer of the Scots" That's one hell of a title.
Funny that Stephan Dillane(Stannis) went on to portray Edward in The Outlaw King.
I always though that Tywin had a bit of Godwin, Earl of Wessex about him as well.
what about machiavelli?
I think Tywin is most like Edward I. Edward's father, Henry III., was as weak and troubled by other houses as Tywin's father was challenged by the Reyns of Castamaere. Like Tywin Edward had to fight for his father while his father was still king. Edward I had the lover of his gay son, Edward II, banished, much like Tywin treated Tyrion's wirst wife.
John of Gaunt is also a good comparison, firstly because of his title (Duke of Lancaster = Lannister). But I think he resembles Tyrion more than Tywin. Like Tyrion he was the uncle of young Richard II. who was cruel and believed to be mad (=Joffrey). John of Gaunt was hated by the Londoners but helped his nephew at rebellions (like Tyrion helped to defend Kings Landing). In fact there was a rebellion of peasants in London who killed a bishop, much like the peasants in Kigs Landing are killing the High Septon.
John of Gaunt's son Henry II got into trial and had to go to France for a while, just like Tyrion had to flee to Essos.
I think Warwick the Kingsmaker inspired either Baelish (opportunistic, the man behind the Civil war, gets power by marriage) or Roose Bolton (betrays the Starks/ Yorks and sides with the Lannisters/ Lancasters).
If Edward II was gay, how did he manage at least 5 children, at least one a bastard (and thus for fun, not statesmanship)?
Clearly, Christopher Marlowe was projecting himself on Edward II.
@@Egilhelmson okay I didn't know about his bastard, that's interesting. Maybe he was bisexual. Or the stories about him being gay were made up by the noblemen of his time. At least there was a nobleman called Piers Gaveston, Earl of Cornwall, who was said to be the lover of Edward and was banished and beheaded later, if I remember correctly...
I think Baelish might have also been inspired by Eadric Streona
Tywin would have been a great king tbh
I always thought he was based a little bit on Augustus/First Emperor of Rome. Due to him forcing his kids to marry to keep the family dynasty going. The Julian Claudian Dynasty.
What documentary is this?
David .Chavez Special feature in Season Five’s dvd set. Real history of Game of Thrones. Parr’s one and two.
George Martin ja disse que um dos personagens reais em que se inspirou para Tywin seria Felipe o belo, rei daFrança.George é fã dos livros de Maurice Druon no livro o rei de Ferro vemos o Tywin dos livros.
What video or documentary is this clip taken from?
Game of Thrones Behind History, in case that you didn't find yet...
I thought he a mix between Earl of Warwick and Lord Stanley from the War of the Roses period.
I always compared Warwick to Littlefinger, because he's so opportunistic and kind of stands behind the civil war. He also gets part of his power by marriage like Baelish by his marriage to Lysa Arryn.
I would note Edward the 1st was also routed by a much smaller force of Northman at the battle of Sterling bridge
Edward wasn't there at Stirling bridge he was in France.It wasn't Northmen(AKA Vikings) it was Scots led by Andrew Murray,who was the brains of the battle and someone called William Wallace.Murray was killed in the battle,which led to Wallace losing the battle of Falkirk sometime after when Edward did come north.But then some Aussie guy made a movie and ....you know.
Edward Longshanks was a bad ass. Had his son been half the man he was, Scotland would probably be part of England today.
So your hypothesis is that the Kingdom of Scotland would have dissipated had Edward II been a stronger King. That would require a massive discussion to argue your case, you could probably draw up a thesis on it with lots of research. Of course you are not going to do all of that for a youutbe comment, nor would i expect you to. My point is, think about what you are saying before you draw to a conclusion. How do you know this for sure, what sort of evidence have you looked at to come to that conclusion. We all have thoughts which explode in our brains, and that's fine. But it's ignorant to believe something until you explore it and validate it in such a way that you could convince someone else to believe you and answer any questions people challenge you with.
@@DarthScosha touched a nerve there didn't I.
Æðelwulf Coe don’t act like you weren’t intentionally trying to provoke others in responding to what is obviously a very controversial opinion to hold.
Not really. Scotland is difficult to hold because of all the highlands, forests and islands. Up to Stirling or Callander you could hold, but beyond that would be extremely difficult.
Not really. England could've probably held it for a few more decades, maybe a century, but the geography of the area combined with England's focus in the centuries to follow being given to conflicts in mainland Europe such as France as well as the various crusades for Jerusalem would make Scotland (at least in its majority) very difficult to maintain regardless of what type of ruler was on the throne.
Tyrion is the mad king's son.
Earl of Warwick, Kingmaker = Tywin Lannister
The long shanks.... One of the most powerful and successful Kings we had. Now overshadowed by the enemies he largely vanquished, Wallace for example. But let down by how offspring who lost Scotland to The Bruce!
I think its More Richard Neville The Kingmaker
It’s the Earl of Warwick, right?
Can't hear this video.
George RR Martin has one hell of an imagination.
Before Edward was king he took 1000 men on a personal crusade against the entire Mamluk empire and he fought alongside Mongols. While he was there a Nizari assassin (assassins creed) snuck past his guards and tried to kill him in his sleep but he woke up and killed the assassin in single combat.
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Tywin might be my favorite character. So menacing, powerful, ruthless, and yet not evil. Him, Tyrion, and Jon
all these historians think they figured George out.
Edward the Longshanks. Haha
I'm a enormous history nerd
Combine all three kids of his and you get a perfect one (smart brave intelligent and ruthless)
Basically you will get the dad
So wait... we DON'T know if Edward I, in the end, shat gold..?!
Love these videos but not Edward I. Tywin was not King but rather one of the leaders of the noble houses in the War of the Roses? Richard of York? Lord Stanley?
Elements of Edward's life and perceived personality were used as an influence for Tywin.
WELP I guess I now know how he dies!
I dont buy that Lannister is based on Edward Longshanks. Richard Plantagenet of York was the father of Edward IV and Richard III; he was considered the most competent man in the kingdom but was not actually King. I cant remember which POV character recalls a visit to court as a child and seeing a man on the Iron Throne taking petitions, the POV though it was the king, later to realize it was Tywin.
And this lady at (1:00) says Edward I was devious...really? Edward I was one of the most chivalrous Kings England ever had, I know you all think his actions in Braveheart disprove this but there is no evidence that Edward ever killed nobles like in the movie.
He was devious. Look up his actions during the Second Barons' War.
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Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold
Do you think a crown give you power
Is that Dan Jones?
Not my gentle son ...
I want to write like J. R. R. Martin does!
Jakub Wojciechowski J.R.R. Martin? I think you mean George 😉😅
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Edward I loved his family and hated everyone else
As a Scot, we are all too aware of Edward the first. He is hated.
Season 8 killed GoT. All these awesome characters are now meaningless.
If Edward I did scare a servant to death, that servant was no Arya Stark. ;-)
I think Tywin was also loosely based off of Godwin of Wessex
He was doing ganghis khan
Dude have you talked to the author
Guys I don't think lots of you are being fair with Tywin in regards to Tyrion, for starters in the books Tyrion doesn't look like someone who could very well be the brother of Jaime just a couple feet shorter, he's like a goblin from lotr with mismatched eyes and blonde and black hair that hardly looks human especially post nose injury. I'm saying this because Tywin's wife who he loved like no other and was supposedly the one thing that you make him crack a smile didn't simply die giving birth to Tyrion but it was hinted in the books that the Mad King made moves at her too (I wouldn't go as far as to say that Tyrion is implied to be the Mad king's just that it's a lot less obvious that he's a Lannister in a smaller version) and with all the incest and the way the mad king himself was a child like that would potentially bring to Tywin's mind that old king.
Other than that, both in the books and in the show (especially in the show) Tywin is surprisingly fair with Tyrion all things considered. He, in no way, expects more of Tyrion than he does of say Cersei. He puts on some ground rules "Stop your drinking, stop your whoring, stop your mean remarks" etc etc and Tyrion doesn't do a single one for a single moment. Tywin did say that whole "You'll never get casterly rock cause you're a beast" or something along those lines but being fair again, Tyrion had just done all the shit Tywin had told him not to and he's quite simply not the son he wants Casterly Rock to go to. Robert Baratheon didn't give his brother Stannis what he wanted either and we're not saying "Robert Baratheon mistreated Stannis cause he's an ugly piece of shit" we just accept that Bobby-B didn't want to give Stannis the damn castle.
In regards to Tysha, yeah that one was harsh. I dunno, I suppose we can chalk it up to it being far rougher times and Tywin being a brutal piece of shit too. It's weird though, if you really think about it why would Tywin truly mind it so unbearably much if Tyrion who he supposedly never liked married a random ? You could definitely argue that "well he's still a Lannister" and that's what I'm more inclined towards too though it's not impossible that this means that Tywin didn't ever truly consider Tyrion as anything but his son and thus was held to the same expectations as any son of his would be.
Anyways, tldr: Tywin did nothing wrong to Tyrion (Except the Tysha ordeal)