Considering French influences were heavy in Russia during peak Empire, I wouldn't be surprised if such a relationship would also exist between the French and the Northern Slavs (Novgorod). French philosophy would flourish in a similar way I'd imagine.
How? French influences came because Russia was extremely backward for a long time, then when Peter and Catherine reformed Russia, they used France as a blueprint. That’s not going to happen in this scenario as it’s completely unrelated.
@@c.i.a.932Catherine was not yhat much of a reformator and she was born long after Peter. And Peter was more fond of Netherlands than France, though he was an autocratic piece of shit that completely enslaved russian peasants and enforced social segregation. Even it was not him who started all the reformes. It was his father.
Then expect not Lutheran but Calvinist Novgorod or maybe other unique protestant denomination, combination of many different elements. Calvinism was strong in central duchy of Lithuania so it also would possibly backing idea of Calvinistic at least in part Novgorod.
That means either the Soviet Union rolled back on Kruschevite reforms or Mao agreed to reform, firstly....that already creates an infinite amount of possibilities in both directions...
I love how the characters have been slowly devolving into insanity with each video that gets released Last time, Jimmy had an existential crisis. Today, Cody is having his own existential crisis!
That image you used at 12:21 is a painting of a historic Circassian tradition whereby a woman can stop two fighting parties by taking off her scarf and throwing it in between them, the rival parties would then be forced to stop out of respect for the woman and her wishes by her plea of sacrificing her modesty to stop bloodshed.
interesting. The one at 9:43 is a famous Old Believer (Feodosia Morozova) sticking two fingers up to the church as she sleds by: the old rite uses two fingers to make the cross, and the new rite uses three.
@@just-some-muslim It's either showing a black person-in which case that would make this persons user name awfully racist-OR I pay attention to things that don't matter and I need to touch grass asap.
It's like how Please Stop Talking had a bizarre thriller arc for their ad-reads, back when Shammy (is it still ok to call her that?) was still part of the podcast.
nah it didn't that's a false narration people spread around, the real prophecy was about conquering constantinople in the end times without any fighting at all.
Prophet Muhammad have said, *“Soon Constantinople will be defeated, how wonderful will be the leader and the army (that conquers Constantinople).”* - Musnad Ahmad, vol. 4 pg. 335
This title popping up in my notifications was hilarious. I was watching an emotional part of the show and all the sudden. “WHAT IF RUSSIA WAS MUSLIM!?!?!?”
It is great to consider that, regardless of whether RU would've become Sunni or Shia, it still would've been changed considerably with eastern Slavic and cold climate cultures
If the Russians get culturally closer with Persia, they might have neither a Sultan nor a Tsar. Instead Russia could have a Muhammad Vladimir, Shahanshah of Russia
I think they'd more likely just use Sultan, or even Khan from all that Central Asian influence. They might even use both like some places did: Moxammed Vladimir Khan, Sultan of all Rus
The “wait that’s not you?” Line made me laugh irl, that rarely happens with UA-cam videos. I loved the whole ad segment that was great haha I hope we get more wacky lore in the future
As soon as you said "russia might have gotten to the Pacific coast a century earlier" the idea of Muslim Russians colonizing the pacific north west sounds so cool.
There was only ever like 300 Russians max at any given time in America; despite that, in those regions the Natives are mostly still Orthodox. Under Muslim rule + 100 more years, I wonder if you'd see more influence (100 more years of expansion = bigger Alaska) or less (a big reason Orthodoxy stuck is it got mixed up with the local culture - might be harder to do with a religion that comes from a Desert).
Would they still have sold Alaska to the Americans? Would they have completely hunted the otters into extinction? What would their influence over the new world have been? 🤔🤔🤔
Realistically a Muslim Russia wouldn’t be able to take on the Qing in their homeland, who already put up a good fight to begin with, especially if they fought 100 years early near the height of Qing power. Russia reaches the pacific, but has no warm water port. Also the Chinese maintain ports on the sea of Japan, would could lead to some interesting situations during the Sino-Japanese wars.
I would really like to see a video on Poland-lithuania in this timeline as well. Like what important changes would happen or not happen to the Commonwealth. Would they win during the swedish flood( mid XVII century) which caused them to give prussia independence and seal their fate by doing that, or maybe they could colonize America , since livonia( today latvia) as a vassal of Poland-Lithuania took a few Islands that the dutch later occupied in the carribean so that is a possibility. And also later if we assume they won the wars with sweden what if the King of the Commonwealth used his claim as a member of the swedish dynasty(Vasa) to take sweden into a personal Union, would a Polish-Lithuanian-swedish Commonwealth, around the entire baltic sea be a possibility? And during napoleon, what would be the changes seeing as prussia and Austria as well as russian empire wouldn't really exist, so this would also change how it turned out. In short i would like to see the perspective of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in this timeline. Ending my monologue, Thanks for another great video Cody. I like to often think about the different possibilities we could have ended up with during major events in history, and that is why i love this Channel so much for 4 years now :D
I really can't see Poland becoming a major colonial power, since their position on the map just makes it too easy for naval trade to be disrupted and their primary concerns would be in Europe and the Middle East, meaning if they want to expand why not bring some Islamic Russia or Ottoman lands into Poland.
@@anvos658 true, probably the ottoman lands part would be most likely since Commonwealth and turkish forces fought eachother in vienna and there were many conflicts in moldova as well, just like the tsars against sultans fought later for the same lands , so i think the same kind of power struggle for the black sea would occur as in our timeline but instead of the russian Empire against ottoman Empire it would be the Commonwealth forces contesting the turks. overall in the later years of even the first dynasty of the commonwealth most of their interests was in the south like kingdoms of hungary and Bohemia with jagiellonian dynasty or moldova and the black sea later in the years of kings from the Sobieski or Wiśniowiecki dynasties.
I think Prussia still eventually gains independence. The Hohenzollerns were already becoming a major power in Northern Germany and were quickly becoming a rival to Austria. The Hohenzollerns were also elected dukes of Prussia when it was established as a Polish Vassal state which contributed to its eventual independence. I could see a potential Swedo-Brandenburger alliance invading the Poles instead of Sweden and Russia in this period. The result is likely land lost in Livonia and the West instead of the East. Perhaps East Prussia is connected to Brandenburg much earlier, leaving Poland-Lithuania almost entirely landlocked to the Northwest. They still almost certainly have a Black Sea Coast. An important thing though is that Poland likely doesn't get entirely partitioned. That was Frederick the Great's idea but with an Islamic Russia he would likely think twice and would rather have a Polish-Lithuanian buffer to the Muslims. Austria, considering their wars with the Ottomans, likely backs a Polish state's continued existence. Chances are Courland and Lithuania remain in Polish hands along with Ukraine and Belarus, but chunks of the West will likely be lost in early wars with Brandenburg-Prussia. In the end, However, Poland-Lithuania survives as a state. Sweden probably holds on to Finland, but probably loses Estonia and Livonia in wars with Novgorod. TLDR: Poland Lithuania doesn't get partitioned but Prussia still gains independence.
A Commonwealth would probably not happen in this timeline. Remember, the whole union occurred because of very specific political situations involving Jogaila and the Gediminds dynastic feuds People like to act as if it was pre destined for some reason despite Lithuanian history showing it to not be so.
What i find more interesting, is the chance the HRE surviving the napoleonic era... Imagine the HRE during industrialization... Would they be a big state eventually centralized? Or would they be a proto EU (but with only germans)
I liked how you portrayed both Russia's though I think you were just a bit wester centric. I know that most of the viewers are from the west but it could have given a fuller picture showing its effects across Asia and middle east. That may even change the way you see this timeline. If you agree I would like to even add to this video by making one about the effects in other parts of the globe!
20:00 The Corporations have found a way to transport floating heads, like Nixon in Futurama, solely to project commercials. Similar to drone sky ads, we are now truly living in the world of 1984.
I'm surprised you haven't talked about the romanovs and how they would end up in this alt world of Muslim Russia, I really would hope you would make a part 3 on this discussion 🙏
Given the fertility of Muslim Sultans, ROmanovs could've never been installed on the throne. Rurikids would've still ruled over the lands. Who knows, maybe so it happens that Ivan the Terrible is still born and came to power, but with a large number of brothers and half-brothers and large number of sons he would have comapred to what he had in out history. Again, this aspect comes into how courtly life and royal marriage would work in Muslim Rus - like in out history or more Ottoman-like, with concubines and etc. (I say Ottoman-like, because i have almost no knowledge on how actually Arab, Persian and Egyptian Sultanates worked in this aspect. I only know th basis of Ottoman court life.)
Uhm, I dont wanna nitpick or anything but your Novgorod from this timeline would have a majority finnic people in it, not slavs especially when they would accept protesthantism which they would. The finnic peoples around petrograd only started fading in the 18th century so I think in this case Novogorod might even abandon its slavic roots and integrate with the finnic people of the region creating a meld between those people. Also you have painted Estonia and Livonia as Novgorod territories much earlier than Russia really conquered them which further indicates that it would probably evolve into something unimaginable for us. So what I am saying is Novgorod might form into a finnic/slavic union uniting Finland, Karelia, Ingria, Estonia, Livonia and Novgorod lands under one banner without the russian finns dyeing out.
Sensible is to think that the process of acculturation of Finnic people there would occur, similar to what in our timeline happened in Vilnius Land where first nobles & aristocracy then town dwellers slowly acquired Polish language and culture whilst rejecting Ruthenian and/or Lithuanian
While this might be true, it’s safe to assume it’d probably turn out into a Poland Lithuanian esque type of situation. Russians (or Slavs) in general would still have more control and the Uralic people would slowly adopt and mold into said Slavic culture.
@@memoria8732 well yes and no. Ofcourse the high class and city people would be speaking russian and melding into slavic culture but the peasantry probably wouldn't especially if prothestant scholars begin sermons in the local language. The same dynamic happened both in finland and estonia where high class and cityfolk spoke a different language from the peasantry. Now without Moscows russification of the eastern finnic people, they wouldn't fade into slavic cultures because it would have very little merit for them. Using west finnic people from our time period as an example is better than lithuanians/poles atleast imo because of the similarties in the cultures.
I feel like half of this video is just what if Novgorod didn't die and I love it. It was such a unique country with an almost futuristic form of government compared to their contemporaries. I think I could see Novgorod taking a similar role to the Republic of Venice, becoming the de facto trading republic of the baltic and arctic seas. One thing that would be an almost permanent problem for Novgorod, would be sea access, like for Russia in our timeline, but with no way to get even close to the Black Sea or the Pacific, I could imagine Novgorod being much more focused on conquering or gaining access to various baltic and scandinavian ports.
As fascinating as this hypothetical is, the idea of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth becoming more and more dominant sounds interesting! Is there a chance you could make a video about that? I'd love to see it!
Idea for part 3: where does Galicia-Volhynia fit in all of this? It was the westernmost Rus' successor state and the one that influenced modern-day Ukraine. To defend against the Golden Horde Galicia (later Ruthenia) formed strong relations with the Papal States and at one point considered adopting catholicism so that the Pope protects the kingdom and declares a crusade on the Mongols. That never happened, of course, but if much of the Rus' is muslim and Halych and Volyn' still were influenced by western European culture and Philosophy, Galicia would adopt catholicism and a crusade would happen, but it would just be in northern Ukraine and Belarus. There would be a 3-way divide in the Rus', and neither Poland nor Lithuania would dare touch Ruthenia, even if it was in a civil war as brutal as the Galicia-Volhynia war of 1340-1392. Wars between Russia and Ruthenia would still happen but one would never conquer the other, and it would quickly devolve into a cold war.
Many depends on outcome of the Polish-Teutonic War (1326-1332) and if Casimir would be a king only for Poland's east or for West too. Dukes of Glogow also wanted the royal crown for themselves and were related to Teutonic Grand Master. Secondary what also would play a role in scenario is if Galician ruler George II Boleslaus - Polish Piast relative survived and ruled the realm.
@@jacekwojciechowski3679 Poland only became interested in the lan after Piast rule fell in Galicia and most local nobles fighting for power were mongolophillic. Even before that royal marriages happened between the 2 states and they were fairly close allies most of the time.
Regarding the sect Russia could've follow in this alternate timeline, Russia would probably follow the sect of the place where Vlad sent his voyagers to learn about islam. Idk where envoys were sent though.
Not sure why you assume Poland Lithuania would unite in this timeline or why an Islamic Rus would still maintain control when a Pagan Lithuania would probably conquer a large portion of that previously Rus land like in our timeline
@@manofwar2354 Muslims despised pagans (or polytheists in general) just as much as Christians did. For them only the "book faiths" like their own religion, Christianity and Judaism mattered, the rest wasn't treated as equal subjects.
@@dinohermann1887 muslims despised polytheist yes But did not forcibly convert them like catholic You can find many religion in muslim lands exist but not in christian lands
@@manofwar2354 However, these faiths, that still survive in the middle east to this day, are subjects of discrimination and sometimes even prosecution by their states they live in, unfortunately (like the Yazidis or the Druze).
@@dinohermann1887 no they get more rights in goverments loooool U never lived in middle east each discremenate the other Yezidi and druze are offshot of islam Christian and jews nobody care about them
Is there anyway you’d consider doing your map bits in colors that are more easy to deviate from land and water? I feel like a lot of times I find it hard to tell exactly what I’m looking at, love the videos though. Please keep them coming😎
Stare at maps long enough until the obscure shapes of coastlines and borders are so thoroughly burned into your brain that you will instantly be able to recognise any land no matter how flipped, rotated, or squashed. Trust me, it works.
@@EvilParagon4 true that. I don’t know I think the light colored land and dark colored water is what throws me off (I think that’s it, I forget since yesterday haha) maybe im pea brained, but I’ll try your suggestion for sure! Appreciate it!
Let's not forget the "reign" of the Rashidun Sultanate -because the Sultan in Cairo still recognized Aleppo as The Caliph- which was defeated & annexed by the Sublime Porte. It was not necessarily "Al-Musku" & the Sublime Porte against Poland and the Habsburgs, even if they were both Sunni.
Fun fact: "the Monomachus' hat", as they call the crown of the Great-Prince of Moscow, looks quite similar to the crown of the Khan, as shown on Kazan coins.Theyjust added a cross on the top. This is quite symptomatic of how much Rus' borrowed from their former Asian overlords. Yes, a Protestant Novgorod close to Germany and Scandinavia is quite probable! About Poland, I'd see its binational republic evolving in a federation of three entities, the third one being Ukraine. And about the shi'a/sunni schism, in spite of Persian influence, all the Turcic emirates stayed Sunni, with a multitude of Sufic sects, so I guess the emirate of Moscow would be the same.
Has anyone ever heard of the Chinese Admiral, Zheng He? This isn’t relevant to this video but he explored everything from Eastern Africa to China and right as China became isolationist, he was petitioning to go around the Horn of Africa or cross the pacific and he was denied because of the new Chinese regime and this was all decades before Columbus? Can we get an alternate history video on “what if China didn’t become isolationist” featuring Zeng He!!!
Just gonna throw this out there, but one other thing I think could happen in this scenario is the Teutonic Order ends up packing up and moving into Livonia. I mean, in our timeline the Teutonic Knights came into Prussia and Livonia specifically to fight the Pagan Livs, Lets, Samagallians, etc. and later also the city of Novgorod. In our timeline, the conversion of Lithuania to Catholicism kinda hits the Teutonic Order in Prussia hard cuz, well, their whole purpose there was to fight the pagans, who are now Christian. This is further exasperated following the Battle of Tannenburg and later the 13 Years War. So what I’m saying is maybe, just maybe, the Teutonic Order adapts to this shift and moves it’s headquarters from Marienburg to Riga as the new center for crusading activities… possibly this takes place after they lose Marienburg in the 13 Years war (instead of moving to Königsberg like in our timeline). Possibly they just immediately accept Lithuania’s conversion to Catholicism in the 1380’s and somehow maintain friendly relations with Poland and Lithuania (a bit far fetched, but maybe). You know, this whole scenario is just kinda fun to play around with.
If part 3 happened, I can see how it will go for Islamized Alaska in this scenario. While no immediate effect at first aside from Islam arrived in the Western Hemisphere a lot sooner than in our timeline, the fact that it is located so far away from the Islamic Russian Tsardom will definitely given the land a unique position. Heck, it might become an independent polity if the Muslim Tsar is focusing on holding the western front at the moment. If that is the case, I can see that the proposed Mormon state, the State of Deseret, might become a thing in this timeline because if the Mormons heard of an independent Islamic Alaskan state, they might appealed to the ulama and the Muslim Emir of Alaska for help to preserve Deseret as an independent polity due to how much they have in common with one another. And as a result, the Mormon State and the U.S might be in competition with one another about the expansion to reach the West Coasts and also to try to establish political connections and diplomatic relations with this Emirate of Alaska between both countries as well.
Alaska never had a significant Russian presence, and was always overwhelmingly native. They did convert sizable portion to orthodoxy (though not a majority). Its possible that Islamic Alaska would have a significant Native Muslim population in an alternate timeline, but I doubt it would emerge as an independent emirate.
Pretty late to the party but the Persian influence and motivation towards the drink might cause an Islamic Russia to adopt Alevism or Alihwism. Alevis and Alawites both permit drinking, and the Alawites in particular practice many of the same traditions as Christians. If Russia were to go in this direction it'd reasonably give them some play with cultural connection to Persia, and also a helpful minority in the Ottoman Empire to say they're the protectors of whenever they decide they wanna beat on them. I think the most interesting effect this would have would be to give Persia a big buddy to the North they can call in whenever the Turks try to "reconquer their lost lands" from when they controlled Persia. This might motivate the Ottomans more towards looking towards Europe where there are less gigantic empires with other gigantic empires as allies, opening up the possibility of the Ottoman Sultans deciding to put that extra bit more attention on taking the last pentarchal city within Christendom, Rome, and the Golden Apple of Vienna.
I would like a video on japan becoming muslim. "In the late Meiji period, close relations were forged between Japanese military elites with an Asianist agenda and Muslims to find a common cause with those suffering under the yoke of Western hegemony. In 1906, widespread propaganda campaigns were aimed at Muslim nations with journals reporting that a Congress of religions was to be held in Japan where the Japanese would seriously consider adopting Islam as the national religion and that the Emperor was at the point of becoming a Muslim"
So, Novgorod becomes much more Scandinavian/Karelian, and it's the Poles and the Novogorodians along with the Italians that create the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. I think once Nationalism really rises, if your thought about Shia and Liberal Golden Horde-Russia had come to pass you could see the PLC and Golden Russia drifting towards tolerance of eachother as they fight the Ottomans again and again, particularly since the PLC was particularly religiously tolerant for the Era and Golden Russia would not exactly be a hotbed of religious orthodoxy. Not to say this alliance wouldn't be fraught, but particularly if the PLC was an island of Catholicism surrounded by protestant Germans and Northern Slavs and Ottoman Sunni to the south the Shia Rus would probably be the most logical ally. Moving forward in history, this would also have interesting implications for the Arabian Peninsula as the Ottomans collapse. If Golden Russia still comes to be a great power by consolidating the Tatars, Central Asian Turks, and as you outlined even the Uighurs, they would serve as the religious protector of the region against Christian Colonialism. Random straight lines replaced with historical Muslim states and some respect for the people groups living there Alternately, what if despite religious differences Golden Russia joined in the enlightenment. Religious flexibility would lean towards political pragmatism, and again as Religion shifted out of focus with time the Novgorodians, the Poles, and the Golden-Rus became a bastion of proto-liberalism. The fires of the French Revolution would find easier purchase, and suddenly Central Europe would be sandwiched between powerful republics, and the Napoleonic Wars end much differently, and last longer. It could potentially be the end of Monarchism. And going from there what of Communism? Does either Russian state boondoggle a war badly enough to fall to a comunist revolution? Does Imperialism still lead to a very similar WW1? Does a successful revolution from scenario B lead to republics turning communist/anarchist as a matter of course?
I'd like to see an expansion on what if the Norse hadn't called it quits on Canada. A Norse/Algonquian nation-state starting up during the Middle Ages would be very interesting to see, and it could conceivably have happened had the Norse not left Canada. Ditto the ripple effects that such a settlement and country could have had on other Amerindian polities. The tribes could have easily adopted ironworking from the Norse and perhaps horses and other Old World livestock as well. And how would such a country play out in matters of world affairs? Ditto if the Nordic countries had stayed pagan instead of adopting Christianity. What if the Norse never converted to Christianity but instead kept worshiping Odin, Thor, Freyja, and them?
Honestly, you should do a strengthened PLC timeline. Perhaps if the Jagiellonians never went extinct and the PLC never adopted the elective monarchy, thus keeping the succession stable and (hopefully) keeping the whole realm stable. I feel like that might not change many things, as an ascendent Russia would've always attempted to conquer east, but perhaps a Poland that could at the very least continue its existence perpetually would change European geopolitical dynamics a lot. Tell me what you think about this!
Hm. I think one consequence of Yugoslavia never breaking up (assuming that Milošević is out of the picture) is a much more pro-Western Russia. The NATO bombing of Serbia was very unpopular in Russia and pushed it towards greater anti-Americanism. So we would likely either have a Russia that is still democratic, or if we are going to see it slip back into authoritarianism, it would probably be very different - much more aligned with the West, something along the lines of the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos.
Unlike other *“Althistory”* channels this video focuses more of the geo-political side as I think is the only convenient and important factor of “Alt-history”, rather than Societal “what ifs”, which tbh sound biased and leaning to the influenced side.
it would be interesting to see how Mennonite migration would be affected in this scenario. Mennonites settled in the Volga region of Russia in the late 18th century because they were offered religious protections by Catherine the Great. (namely, they were offered religious exemptions to military service and were allowed to conduct their schooling in low German.) almost a century later, those protections were revoked, resulting in a wave of Mennonite migration through the Americas. in an alternate timeline, would those protections have been offered? if they had, would they ever have been revoked?
Heck maybe in this timeline Eastern Armenia(which in our timeline is the modern day Republic of Armenia) would be predominantly Mennonite do it being an isolated region of the empire with a relatively hostile environment that the Russian government would most likely struggle to get most normies to settle
18:03 This is something I always think about. When the Europeans feel that they are losing an Islamic or Asian power. They make the continent of Europe smaller so that it looks like they haven't even entered Europe's borders. In the past, Anatolia was considered a European region and Europe extended to Jerusalem and even the Caucasus to the borders of the Persian Empire. But the continent with the passage of time began to shrink little by little. This gives you a hint that the continents are not divided geographically. But culturally.
@@i_likemen5614 The Romans, then why did the Gauls, the original inhabitants of France, migrate to the Balkans and Anatolia when we were slaughtering them?
I'm sure by now you've heard of the infamous ChatGPT and all the rumors of AI becoming our robotic overlords by the year circa 3069 but coming back in into frame, I think it would be interesting if you had made say like a series where you input a simple alternate scenario and interpret the response and make that into a video?
5:04 Unless you're an Albanian. Most Albanians (even those, who were, on paper at least, Sunni Muslim) fought against the Ottoman occupiers during most the second half of the 19th century throughout the 20th century until 1912, when Albania declared it's independence from the Ottoman empire.
Hey Cody, when are we getting "What if Japan had remained neutral in WW2?" or "What if Japan had been part of the Allies in WW2?" It's very much needed and would be really nice to watch.
i would doubt that, even if Japan did not poke the sleeping Tiger at Pearl Harbour, they have been in conflict with the USA in the Pacific already do their imperial ambitions and the conflict with britain and france in south east Asia, that they would be joining the allied side. for that we would have to go more the different route and ask: what have to change so Imperial Japan would join the Allied Forces and not the Axis Powers? And for that, idk. Lindbergh would need to run for President and win and join the Axis, maybe backed by Ford
I would have liked to have seen what if: Japan either fared worse during the Russo-Japanese War, or even outright lost? Hirobumi Ito was either never assassinated, or at least survived the attempt from An. Japan never becomes fascist (and what needs to change). Too many cases of alternate history with Japan still going fascist, I want to see something similar to the latest game of Sakura Wars where Japan remains somewhat democratic (or at least nowhere near as facist and xenophobic as RL), darnit!
Good video Cody. Now that you've finished this scenario, how about this one? Since the Walt Disney company is going to celebrate its 100th anniversary, how do you try this for a future video of yours, "What if Walter Elias Disney didn't die in 1966"?
he died in 1967 instead! Frankly, there wouldn't be much of a difference, he was not really involved in movies at that point and preffered imagining Epcot which probably wouldn't have worked anyway.
Considering French influences were heavy in Russia during peak Empire, I wouldn't be surprised if such a relationship would also exist between the French and the Northern Slavs (Novgorod). French philosophy would flourish in a similar way I'd imagine.
How? French influences came because Russia was extremely backward for a long time, then when Peter and Catherine reformed Russia, they used France as a blueprint. That’s not going to happen in this scenario as it’s completely unrelated.
@hereisthefullclip I am confused... but not disengaged.
@@c.i.a.932Catherine was not yhat much of a reformator and she was born long after Peter. And Peter was more fond of Netherlands than France, though he was an autocratic piece of shit that completely enslaved russian peasants and enforced social segregation. Even it was not him who started all the reformes. It was his father.
@@c.i.a.932 Ideas originating in France and spreading across Europe would be exported to Novgorod through trade and travel
Then expect not Lutheran but Calvinist Novgorod or maybe other unique protestant denomination, combination of many different elements. Calvinism was strong in central duchy of Lithuania so it also would possibly backing idea of Calvinistic at least in part Novgorod.
We need more Jimmy and Cody lore, and we need it NOW.
YES!!!
It's not only althist, it's meta!
Why does Jimmy give off Anarcho-Monarchism vibes?
@Zelda Corner what?
I'm so invested in this multiverse.
A vid on if the Sino-Soviet split never happened or was patched up in the 70s would be super duper
Sup my man
That means either the Soviet Union rolled back on Kruschevite reforms or Mao agreed to reform, firstly....that already creates an infinite amount of possibilities in both directions...
@O N Y X Kosygin probably, which would permanently change the USSR and Cold War
@@ooonyxxx Alternate history in a nutshell
@@concept5631 was gonna say same thing 😂
I love how the characters have been slowly devolving into insanity with each video that gets released
Last time, Jimmy had an existential crisis. Today, Cody is having his own existential crisis!
Just like Game of Thrones
Wait, its not all the same guy...?
That image you used at 12:21 is a painting of a historic Circassian tradition whereby a woman can stop two fighting parties by taking off her scarf and throwing it in between them, the rival parties would then be forced to stop out of respect for the woman and her wishes by her plea of sacrificing her modesty to stop bloodshed.
interesting. The one at 9:43 is a famous Old Believer (Feodosia Morozova) sticking two fingers up to the church as she sleds by: the old rite uses two fingers to make the cross, and the new rite uses three.
That's very interesting. Thanks
I love my Circassian brothers
We are simple, we see an AH video we become happy
That pfp ain't simple bro 💀
Agree
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@@just-some-muslim It's either showing a black person-in which case that would make this persons user name awfully racist-OR I pay attention to things that don't matter and I need to touch grass asap.
You're truly one of the rare UA-camrs which I love watching their sponsorship clips. That says a lot about how good the quality of the content is.
It's like how Please Stop Talking had a bizarre thriller arc for their ad-reads, back when Shammy (is it still ok to call her that?) was still part of the podcast.
1:16 The reason this moment resonated so strongly in the Muslim world is because it fulfilled a prophecy
that prophecy being?
nah it didn't that's a false narration people spread around, the real prophecy was about conquering constantinople in the end times without any fighting at all.
What propecy?
Prophet Muhammad have said,
*“Soon Constantinople will be defeated, how wonderful will be the leader and the army (that conquers Constantinople).”*
- Musnad Ahmad, vol. 4 pg. 335
@@just-some-muslim Interesting
This title popping up in my notifications was hilarious. I was watching an emotional part of the show and all the sudden. “WHAT IF RUSSIA WAS MUSLIM!?!?!?”
What show?
@@user-op8fg3ny3j the expanse
*Kadyrov wants to know your location*
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How my intrusive thoughts work😂
It is great to consider that, regardless of whether RU would've become Sunni or Shia, it still would've been changed considerably with eastern Slavic and cold climate cultures
This culture already existed with tatars bashkirs and caucasian muslims
southeast asian muslims live in jungle instead of dry desert yet theyre just not that different than any other muslim.
If the Russians get culturally closer with Persia, they might have neither a Sultan nor a Tsar. Instead Russia could have a Muhammad Vladimir, Shahanshah of Russia
I think they'd more likely just use Sultan, or even Khan from all that Central Asian influence. They might even use both like some places did: Moxammed Vladimir Khan, Sultan of all Rus
The “wait that’s not you?” Line made me laugh irl, that rarely happens with UA-cam videos. I loved the whole ad segment that was great haha I hope we get more wacky lore in the future
I really hope you make a part 3 this is a very deep theme, and the ads are quite good, good vid bro
This is really interesting! I hope a third Episode is coming
As soon as you said "russia might have gotten to the Pacific coast a century earlier" the idea of Muslim Russians colonizing the pacific north west sounds so cool.
There was only ever like 300 Russians max at any given time in America; despite that, in those regions the Natives are mostly still Orthodox. Under Muslim rule + 100 more years, I wonder if you'd see more influence (100 more years of expansion = bigger Alaska) or less (a big reason Orthodoxy stuck is it got mixed up with the local culture - might be harder to do with a religion that comes from a Desert).
Would they still have sold Alaska to the Americans? Would they have completely hunted the otters into extinction? What would their influence over the new world have been? 🤔🤔🤔
Ikr? Imagine Islamic Cascadia stretching from Alaska all the way to Oregon and norther California.
Realistically a Muslim Russia wouldn’t be able to take on the Qing in their homeland, who already put up a good fight to begin with, especially if they fought 100 years early near the height of Qing power. Russia reaches the pacific, but has no warm water port. Also the Chinese maintain ports on the sea of Japan, would could lead to some interesting situations during the Sino-Japanese wars.
@@gutyhuy3817 didn’t Russia take Vladivostok much later in the mid 1800s though?
I would really like to see a video on Poland-lithuania in this timeline as well. Like what important changes would happen or not happen to the Commonwealth. Would they win during the swedish flood( mid XVII century) which caused them to give prussia independence and seal their fate by doing that, or maybe they could colonize America , since livonia( today latvia) as a vassal of Poland-Lithuania took a few Islands that the dutch later occupied in the carribean so that is a possibility. And also later if we assume they won the wars with sweden what if the King of the Commonwealth used his claim as a member of the swedish dynasty(Vasa) to take sweden into a personal Union, would a Polish-Lithuanian-swedish Commonwealth, around the entire baltic sea be a possibility? And during napoleon, what would be the changes seeing as prussia and Austria as well as russian empire wouldn't really exist, so this would also change how it turned out. In short i would like to see the perspective of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in this timeline. Ending my monologue, Thanks for another great video Cody. I like to often think about the different possibilities we could have ended up with during major events in history, and that is why i love this Channel so much for 4 years now :D
I really can't see Poland becoming a major colonial power, since their position on the map just makes it too easy for naval trade to be disrupted and their primary concerns would be in Europe and the Middle East, meaning if they want to expand why not bring some Islamic Russia or Ottoman lands into Poland.
@@anvos658 true, probably the ottoman lands part would be most likely since Commonwealth and turkish forces fought eachother in vienna and there were many conflicts in moldova as well, just like the tsars against sultans fought later for the same lands , so i think the same kind of power struggle for the black sea would occur as in our timeline but instead of the russian Empire against ottoman Empire it would be the Commonwealth forces contesting the turks.
overall in the later years of even the first dynasty of the commonwealth most of their interests was in the south like kingdoms of hungary and Bohemia with jagiellonian dynasty or moldova and the black sea later in the years of kings from the Sobieski or Wiśniowiecki dynasties.
I think Prussia still eventually gains independence. The Hohenzollerns were already becoming a major power in Northern Germany and were quickly becoming a rival to Austria. The Hohenzollerns were also elected dukes of Prussia when it was established as a Polish Vassal state which contributed to its eventual independence.
I could see a potential Swedo-Brandenburger alliance invading the Poles instead of Sweden and Russia in this period. The result is likely land lost in Livonia and the West instead of the East. Perhaps East Prussia is connected to Brandenburg much earlier, leaving Poland-Lithuania almost entirely landlocked to the Northwest. They still almost certainly have a Black Sea Coast.
An important thing though is that Poland likely doesn't get entirely partitioned. That was Frederick the Great's idea but with an Islamic Russia he would likely think twice and would rather have a Polish-Lithuanian buffer to the Muslims. Austria, considering their wars with the Ottomans, likely backs a Polish state's continued existence. Chances are Courland and Lithuania remain in Polish hands along with Ukraine and Belarus, but chunks of the West will likely be lost in early wars with Brandenburg-Prussia.
In the end, However, Poland-Lithuania survives as a state. Sweden probably holds on to Finland, but probably loses Estonia and Livonia in wars with Novgorod.
TLDR: Poland Lithuania doesn't get partitioned but Prussia still gains independence.
A Commonwealth would probably not happen in this timeline. Remember, the whole union occurred because of very specific political situations involving Jogaila and the Gediminds dynastic feuds
People like to act as if it was pre destined for some reason despite Lithuanian history showing it to not be so.
What i find more interesting, is the chance the HRE surviving the napoleonic era... Imagine the HRE during industrialization... Would they be a big state eventually centralized? Or would they be a proto EU (but with only germans)
I liked how you portrayed both Russia's though I think you were just a bit wester centric. I know that most of the viewers are from the west but it could have given a fuller picture showing its effects across Asia and middle east. That may even change the way you see this timeline.
If you agree I would like to even add to this video by making one about the effects in other parts of the globe!
It's not often the sponsor spots make me laugh out loud. This one did.
20:00 The Corporations have found a way to transport floating heads, like Nixon in Futurama, solely to project commercials. Similar to drone sky ads, we are now truly living in the world of 1984.
You should do a video on what if the Qing Industrialized.
Most likely the Taipings would be more successful - which is a horrid thought in itself.
That would be china buffed
faster to divide
@@peterwindhorst5775 CHINESE BROTHER OF JESUS CHRIST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW UR LOCATION *HEAVENLY KINGS ORDAR*
I appreciate the work you put into these videos.
I can't wait for the further stories of Jimmy!
I would love to see a video where you cover. What if the Anglo-Saxons won at the Battle of Hastings?
I'm surprised you haven't talked about the romanovs and how they would end up in this alt world of Muslim Russia, I really would hope you would make a part 3 on this discussion 🙏
Given the fertility of Muslim Sultans, ROmanovs could've never been installed on the throne. Rurikids would've still ruled over the lands. Who knows, maybe so it happens that Ivan the Terrible is still born and came to power, but with a large number of brothers and half-brothers and large number of sons he would have comapred to what he had in out history.
Again, this aspect comes into how courtly life and royal marriage would work in Muslim Rus - like in out history or more Ottoman-like, with concubines and etc. (I say Ottoman-like, because i have almost no knowledge on how actually Arab, Persian and Egyptian Sultanates worked in this aspect. I only know th basis of Ottoman court life.)
Uhm, I dont wanna nitpick or anything but your Novgorod from this timeline would have a majority finnic people in it, not slavs especially when they would accept protesthantism which they would. The finnic peoples around petrograd only started fading in the 18th century so I think in this case Novogorod might even abandon its slavic roots and integrate with the finnic people of the region creating a meld between those people. Also you have painted Estonia and Livonia as Novgorod territories much earlier than Russia really conquered them which further indicates that it would probably evolve into something unimaginable for us. So what I am saying is Novgorod might form into a finnic/slavic union uniting Finland, Karelia, Ingria, Estonia, Livonia and Novgorod lands under one banner without the russian finns dyeing out.
This. Novgorod being independent would most certainly lead to a much larger uralic influence upon it.
Interesting
Sensible is to think that the process of acculturation of Finnic people there would occur, similar to what in our timeline happened in Vilnius Land where first nobles & aristocracy then town dwellers slowly acquired Polish language and culture whilst rejecting Ruthenian and/or Lithuanian
While this might be true, it’s safe to assume it’d probably turn out into a Poland Lithuanian esque type of situation. Russians (or Slavs) in general would still have more control and the Uralic people would slowly adopt and mold into said Slavic culture.
@@memoria8732 well yes and no. Ofcourse the high class and city people would be speaking russian and melding into slavic culture but the peasantry probably wouldn't especially if prothestant scholars begin sermons in the local language. The same dynamic happened both in finland and estonia where high class and cityfolk spoke a different language from the peasantry. Now without Moscows russification of the eastern finnic people, they wouldn't fade into slavic cultures because it would have very little merit for them. Using west finnic people from our time period as an example is better than lithuanians/poles atleast imo because of the similarties in the cultures.
Without Russia becoming orthodox and adopting Cyrillic would Novgorod use Latin alphabet?
Yeah, cyrillic is heavily connect to orthodoxy
they would use arabic instead.
Hey, Cody shouted me out with the Siege of Vienna comment!
And he accurately depicted me in a dumpster on fire! Impressive!
I feel like half of this video is just what if Novgorod didn't die and I love it. It was such a unique country with an almost futuristic form of government compared to their contemporaries. I think I could see Novgorod taking a similar role to the Republic of Venice, becoming the de facto trading republic of the baltic and arctic seas. One thing that would be an almost permanent problem for Novgorod, would be sea access, like for Russia in our timeline, but with no way to get even close to the Black Sea or the Pacific, I could imagine Novgorod being much more focused on conquering or gaining access to various baltic and scandinavian ports.
Great video
Thank you for inspiring my next EU4 campaign, Cody!
lol
I'd really like to see a future episode of "What if Mongolia permanently annexed the Keivan Reus."
Mongolia... permanent... you shouldn’t use those two words in the same sentence
Wouldn't have happened, this just wasn't how the Mongol Empire worked
@Reza Jafari exactly. A nomadic culture/empire would've never been "permanent," they eventually would've shrunk or adopted aspects of other cultures.
They would just have been converted from within 😂.
@@Dezzyyy The Ottomans lasted pretty long. Obvs abandoned their nomadic lifestyle.
As fascinating as this hypothetical is, the idea of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth becoming more and more dominant sounds interesting! Is there a chance you could make a video about that? I'd love to see it!
The great Duchy of Lithuania could stay an independent state, if the theuthons wouldn’t be a minacion
I was really looking forward to this video!!
Uh no you weren't, you have only been subscribed to Alternative History Hub for 5 seconds. Tsk Tsk
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Idea for part 3: where does Galicia-Volhynia fit in all of this? It was the westernmost Rus' successor state and the one that influenced modern-day Ukraine. To defend against the Golden Horde Galicia (later Ruthenia) formed strong relations with the Papal States and at one point considered adopting catholicism so that the Pope protects the kingdom and declares a crusade on the Mongols. That never happened, of course, but if much of the Rus' is muslim and Halych and Volyn' still were influenced by western European culture and Philosophy, Galicia would adopt catholicism and a crusade would happen, but it would just be in northern Ukraine and Belarus. There would be a 3-way divide in the Rus', and neither Poland nor Lithuania would dare touch Ruthenia, even if it was in a civil war as brutal as the Galicia-Volhynia war of 1340-1392. Wars between Russia and Ruthenia would still happen but one would never conquer the other, and it would quickly devolve into a cold war.
Many depends on outcome of the Polish-Teutonic War (1326-1332) and if Casimir would be a king only for Poland's east or for West too. Dukes of Glogow also wanted the royal crown for themselves and were related to Teutonic Grand Master. Secondary what also would play a role in scenario is if Galician ruler George II Boleslaus - Polish Piast relative survived and ruled the realm.
@@jacekwojciechowski3679 Poland only became interested in the lan after Piast rule fell in Galicia and most local nobles fighting for power were mongolophillic. Even before that royal marriages happened between the 2 states and they were fairly close allies most of the time.
What if Zambia won the space race
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Regarding the sect Russia could've follow in this alternate timeline, Russia would probably follow the sect of the place where Vlad sent his voyagers to learn about islam. Idk where envoys were sent though.
That's if vlad even existed in this timeline considering the sultanate would've probably led to different leaders than the Tsardom
Why is the music in this so freaking amazing? Especially in the Christian Russia chapter.
13:04 that caught me off guard and made me die laughing LMAO
The way you catch our attention in the money time it's always as good as the mainly part of the video.
Not sure why you assume Poland Lithuania would unite in this timeline or why an Islamic Rus would still maintain control when a Pagan Lithuania would probably conquer a large portion of that previously Rus land like in our timeline
Maybe both muslim and luthanian unite
Because muslims have free religion practise policy unlike crusaders
And slowly they convert to islam
@@manofwar2354 Muslims despised pagans (or polytheists in general) just as much as Christians did. For them only the "book faiths" like their own religion, Christianity and Judaism mattered, the rest wasn't treated as equal subjects.
@@dinohermann1887 muslims despised polytheist yes
But did not forcibly convert them like catholic
You can find many religion in muslim lands exist but not in christian lands
@@manofwar2354 However, these faiths, that still survive in the middle east to this day, are subjects of discrimination and sometimes even prosecution by their states they live in, unfortunately (like the Yazidis or the Druze).
@@dinohermann1887 no they get more rights in goverments loooool
U never lived in middle east each discremenate the other
Yezidi and druze are offshot of islam
Christian and jews nobody care about them
Please make a "What if stronger Poland?" video.
Let me have some hope
Is there anyway you’d consider doing your map bits in colors that are more easy to deviate from land and water? I feel like a lot of times I find it hard to tell exactly what I’m looking at, love the videos though. Please keep them coming😎
Stare at maps long enough until the obscure shapes of coastlines and borders are so thoroughly burned into your brain that you will instantly be able to recognise any land no matter how flipped, rotated, or squashed.
Trust me, it works.
@@EvilParagon4 true that. I don’t know I think the light colored land and dark colored water is what throws me off (I think that’s it, I forget since yesterday haha) maybe im pea brained, but I’ll try your suggestion for sure! Appreciate it!
Now I need a stronger Poland episode
Man released 3 videos in a month this is epic
Let's not forget the "reign" of the Rashidun Sultanate -because the Sultan in Cairo still recognized Aleppo as The Caliph- which was defeated & annexed by the Sublime Porte. It was not necessarily "Al-Musku" & the Sublime Porte against Poland and the Habsburgs, even if they were both Sunni.
u mean The Rashidun caliphate, because the caliph is the leader of all Muslims, not just a sultan.
Man, I love your ad reads.
Fun fact: "the Monomachus' hat", as they call the crown of the Great-Prince of Moscow, looks quite similar to the crown of the Khan, as shown on Kazan coins.Theyjust added a cross on the top. This is quite symptomatic of how much Rus' borrowed from their former Asian overlords.
Yes, a Protestant Novgorod close to Germany and Scandinavia is quite probable!
About Poland, I'd see its binational republic evolving in a federation of three entities, the third one being Ukraine.
And about the shi'a/sunni schism, in spite of Persian influence, all the Turcic emirates stayed Sunni, with a multitude of Sufic sects, so I guess the emirate of Moscow would be the same.
Has anyone ever heard of the Chinese Admiral, Zheng He? This isn’t relevant to this video but he explored everything from Eastern Africa to China and right as China became isolationist, he was petitioning to go around the Horn of Africa or cross the pacific and he was denied because of the new Chinese regime and this was all decades before Columbus? Can we get an alternate history video on “what if China didn’t become isolationist” featuring Zeng He!!!
The Luther Rose was the last thing I expected to see in this thumbnail lol
This is by far the best ad read so far. Definitely got me.
Holy cow you actually got me to laugh out loud at the end. Good job Cody love the videos lol
I’ll pray for your mental health as you continue to read UA-cam comments 😂
Just gonna throw this out there, but one other thing I think could happen in this scenario is the Teutonic Order ends up packing up and moving into Livonia. I mean, in our timeline the Teutonic Knights came into Prussia and Livonia specifically to fight the Pagan Livs, Lets, Samagallians, etc. and later also the city of Novgorod. In our timeline, the conversion of Lithuania to Catholicism kinda hits the Teutonic Order in Prussia hard cuz, well, their whole purpose there was to fight the pagans, who are now Christian. This is further exasperated following the Battle of Tannenburg and later the 13 Years War. So what I’m saying is maybe, just maybe, the Teutonic Order adapts to this shift and moves it’s headquarters from Marienburg to Riga as the new center for crusading activities… possibly this takes place after they lose Marienburg in the 13 Years war (instead of moving to Königsberg like in our timeline). Possibly they just immediately accept Lithuania’s conversion to Catholicism in the 1380’s and somehow maintain friendly relations with Poland and Lithuania (a bit far fetched, but maybe).
You know, this whole scenario is just kinda fun to play around with.
If part 3 happened, I can see how it will go for Islamized Alaska in this scenario. While no immediate effect at first aside from Islam arrived in the Western Hemisphere a lot sooner than in our timeline, the fact that it is located so far away from the Islamic Russian Tsardom will definitely given the land a unique position. Heck, it might become an independent polity if the Muslim Tsar is focusing on holding the western front at the moment. If that is the case, I can see that the proposed Mormon state, the State of Deseret, might become a thing in this timeline because if the Mormons heard of an independent Islamic Alaskan state, they might appealed to the ulama and the Muslim Emir of Alaska for help to preserve Deseret as an independent polity due to how much they have in common with one another. And as a result, the Mormon State and the U.S might be in competition with one another about the expansion to reach the West Coasts and also to try to establish political connections and diplomatic relations with this Emirate of Alaska between both countries as well.
Bruh if that happened they would just be invaded by Canada
Alaska never had a significant Russian presence, and was always overwhelmingly native. They did convert sizable portion to orthodoxy (though not a majority). Its possible that Islamic Alaska would have a significant Native Muslim population in an alternate timeline, but I doubt it would emerge as an independent emirate.
That sponsorship ad was priceless!
I hope Jimmy enjoys his time in the Philippines
I love the deep lore that's developing in Cody's ad reads
The lore of the ad reads just got really interesting
Pretty late to the party but the Persian influence and motivation towards the drink might cause an Islamic Russia to adopt Alevism or Alihwism. Alevis and Alawites both permit drinking, and the Alawites in particular practice many of the same traditions as Christians. If Russia were to go in this direction it'd reasonably give them some play with cultural connection to Persia, and also a helpful minority in the Ottoman Empire to say they're the protectors of whenever they decide they wanna beat on them.
I think the most interesting effect this would have would be to give Persia a big buddy to the North they can call in whenever the Turks try to "reconquer their lost lands" from when they controlled Persia. This might motivate the Ottomans more towards looking towards Europe where there are less gigantic empires with other gigantic empires as allies, opening up the possibility of the Ottoman Sultans deciding to put that extra bit more attention on taking the last pentarchal city within Christendom, Rome, and the Golden Apple of Vienna.
I would like a video on japan becoming muslim.
"In the late Meiji period, close relations were forged between Japanese military elites with an Asianist agenda and Muslims to find a common cause with those suffering under the yoke of Western hegemony. In 1906, widespread propaganda campaigns were aimed at Muslim nations with journals reporting that a Congress of religions was to be held in Japan where the Japanese would seriously consider adopting Islam as the national religion and that the Emperor was at the point of becoming a Muslim"
The floating Cody sponsor head case lore thickens further.
What if Mary Queen of Scots had son with the King of France resulting in a King of England, Ireland, Scotland and France.
Since Henry VIII Wales was part of England (this is why Wales isn’t on the flag)
That was an ingenius advert!
So, Novgorod becomes much more Scandinavian/Karelian, and it's the Poles and the Novogorodians along with the Italians that create the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. I think once Nationalism really rises, if your thought about Shia and Liberal Golden Horde-Russia had come to pass you could see the PLC and Golden Russia drifting towards tolerance of eachother as they fight the Ottomans again and again, particularly since the PLC was particularly religiously tolerant for the Era and Golden Russia would not exactly be a hotbed of religious orthodoxy. Not to say this alliance wouldn't be fraught, but particularly if the PLC was an island of Catholicism surrounded by protestant Germans and Northern Slavs and Ottoman Sunni to the south the Shia Rus would probably be the most logical ally. Moving forward in history, this would also have interesting implications for the Arabian Peninsula as the Ottomans collapse. If Golden Russia still comes to be a great power by consolidating the Tatars, Central Asian Turks, and as you outlined even the Uighurs, they would serve as the religious protector of the region against Christian Colonialism. Random straight lines replaced with historical Muslim states and some respect for the people groups living there
Alternately, what if despite religious differences Golden Russia joined in the enlightenment. Religious flexibility would lean towards political pragmatism, and again as Religion shifted out of focus with time the Novgorodians, the Poles, and the Golden-Rus became a bastion of proto-liberalism. The fires of the French Revolution would find easier purchase, and suddenly Central Europe would be sandwiched between powerful republics, and the Napoleonic Wars end much differently, and last longer. It could potentially be the end of Monarchism.
And going from there what of Communism? Does either Russian state boondoggle a war badly enough to fall to a comunist revolution? Does Imperialism still lead to a very similar WW1? Does a successful revolution from scenario B lead to republics turning communist/anarchist as a matter of course?
That ending ad was gold!
So, you are telling me Poland CAN into space?!
Bro that sponsorship was hilarious!
I'd like to see an expansion on what if the Norse hadn't called it quits on Canada. A Norse/Algonquian nation-state starting up during the Middle Ages would be very interesting to see, and it could conceivably have happened had the Norse not left Canada. Ditto the ripple effects that such a settlement and country could have had on other Amerindian polities. The tribes could have easily adopted ironworking from the Norse and perhaps horses and other Old World livestock as well. And how would such a country play out in matters of world affairs?
Ditto if the Nordic countries had stayed pagan instead of adopting Christianity. What if the Norse never converted to Christianity but instead kept worshiping Odin, Thor, Freyja, and them?
or if the norse kept paegenism
2 videos in one month? Cody, you're applying us!
Honestly, you should do a strengthened PLC timeline. Perhaps if the Jagiellonians never went extinct and the PLC never adopted the elective monarchy, thus keeping the succession stable and (hopefully) keeping the whole realm stable. I feel like that might not change many things, as an ascendent Russia would've always attempted to conquer east, but perhaps a Poland that could at the very least continue its existence perpetually would change European geopolitical dynamics a lot. Tell me what you think about this!
Love the sponsorships.
I wonder if you'll do one on the Yugoslavia never breaking up, or the Great Recession never Happening
That would be good yeah!
Hm. I think one consequence of Yugoslavia never breaking up (assuming that Milošević is out of the picture) is a much more pro-Western Russia. The NATO bombing of Serbia was very unpopular in Russia and pushed it towards greater anti-Americanism. So we would likely either have a Russia that is still democratic, or if we are going to see it slip back into authoritarianism, it would probably be very different - much more aligned with the West, something along the lines of the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos.
for the second one, its impossible. thats how capitalism works
It would probably be Pro-Russia and a Chinese ally today
@@rezajafari6395 the NATO bombings could still happen because the Yugoslav Wars can still happen but Yugoslavia (Serbia) would just have to win.
"WAIT, THAT ISNT YOU?!"
Your sponsorship segment took an unexpected turn.
Just came and there are already people saying how awesome the video is... 1 minute after upload.
Unlike other *“Althistory”* channels this video focuses more of the geo-political side as I think is the only convenient and important factor of “Alt-history”, rather than Societal “what ifs”, which tbh sound biased and leaning to the influenced side.
Yeah
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@@tf2scoutpunch175 short: they ain't biased, only focus on the important “alt-history” factors.
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it would be interesting to see how Mennonite migration would be affected in this scenario. Mennonites settled in the Volga region of Russia in the late 18th century because they were offered religious protections by Catherine the Great. (namely, they were offered religious exemptions to military service and were allowed to conduct their schooling in low German.) almost a century later, those protections were revoked, resulting in a wave of Mennonite migration through the Americas. in an alternate timeline, would those protections have been offered? if they had, would they ever have been revoked?
Heck maybe in this timeline Eastern Armenia(which in our timeline is the modern day Republic of Armenia) would be predominantly Mennonite do it being an isolated region of the empire with a relatively hostile environment that the Russian government would most likely struggle to get most normies to settle
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18:03
This is something I always think about. When the Europeans feel that they are losing an Islamic or Asian power. They make the continent of Europe smaller so that it looks like they haven't even entered Europe's borders. In the past, Anatolia was considered a European region and Europe extended to Jerusalem and even the Caucasus to the borders of the Persian Empire. But the continent with the passage of time began to shrink little by little. This gives you a hint that the continents are not divided geographically. But culturally.
The Europeans lied, considering them slaves of the Romans, and the Europeans did not change that they are like their most recent barbarians
Anatolia wasn't considered Europe back then. Only Catholic areas were considered to be "European"
@@i_likemen5614 The Romans, then why did the Gauls, the original inhabitants of France, migrate to the Balkans and Anatolia when we were slaughtering them?
@@عليياسر-ذ5ب The idea of Europe didn't really exist during classical Rome. And the Gauls had no idea of "Europe either"
That was one of the best ad read I have ever seen, like we are talking internet historian level of good
I'm sure by now you've heard of the infamous ChatGPT and all the rumors of AI becoming our robotic overlords by the year circa 3069 but coming back in into frame, I think it would be interesting if you had made say like a series where you input a simple alternate scenario and interpret the response and make that into a video?
Amazing ad Cody
and amazing video as always :D
If Poland had a much greater influence the Eastern Slavic Group could split into Central and Eastern Slavic Groups
"The Wild Fields" would be a great band name
Alhamdulillah,new episode coming!
5:04 Unless you're an Albanian. Most Albanians (even those, who were, on paper at least, Sunni Muslim) fought against the Ottoman occupiers during most the second half of the 19th century throughout the 20th century until 1912, when Albania declared it's independence from the Ottoman empire.
Hey Cody, when are we getting "What if Japan had remained neutral in WW2?" or "What if Japan had been part of the Allies in WW2?"
It's very much needed and would be really nice to watch.
i would doubt that, even if Japan did not poke the sleeping Tiger at Pearl Harbour, they have been in conflict with the USA in the Pacific already do their imperial ambitions and the conflict with britain and france in south east Asia, that they would be joining the allied side.
for that we would have to go more the different route and ask: what have to change so Imperial Japan would join the Allied Forces and not the Axis Powers?
And for that, idk. Lindbergh would need to run for President and win and join the Axis, maybe backed by Ford
I would have liked to have seen what if:
Japan either fared worse during the Russo-Japanese War, or even outright lost?
Hirobumi Ito was either never assassinated, or at least survived the attempt from An.
Japan never becomes fascist (and what needs to change).
Too many cases of alternate history with Japan still going fascist, I want to see something similar to the latest game of Sakura Wars where Japan remains somewhat democratic (or at least nowhere near as facist and xenophobic as RL), darnit!
Hey Cody, can we get a 'What if Russia didn't exist' video? Either the terrain missing or if it were smaller countries. I'd love your thoughts on it.
Didn't he already do that?
19:30 THE LORE THICKENS!
Ok that sponsor is genuinely funny
There are two Novgorods in Russia and all the videos with the city are from the wrong one
Time for a delicious video involving history
Good video Cody. Now that you've finished this scenario, how about this one? Since the Walt Disney company is going to celebrate its 100th anniversary, how do you try this for a future video of yours, "What if Walter Elias Disney didn't die in 1966"?
he died in 1967 instead! Frankly, there wouldn't be much of a difference, he was not really involved in movies at that point and preffered imagining Epcot which probably wouldn't have worked anyway.
Literally the best outro I think I’ve ever seen
Honestly I'm surprised that there's a part two.
The sponsor plot deepens!
He finally made a 2nd one
As shipping manager for a company that uses Shipstation, that ad was jarring as hell
Tbh I was way more interested in hearing about how things were going to be past the Urals
Agreed
Probably more Islam in China and Japan given how well it spreads
the sakhas and tuvans would be free!
@@Game_Hero they are already free
@@Кацап0 Like, really free, sovereign nations.
Looking forward for part 3