Guinea-Bissau is a country in Africa and New Guinea is an Island in Australia, the inhabitants of both of these places are Black. The term Guinea was originally used against Blacks and mixed race people who were part Black, it was later used against Southern Europeans such as Italians, Greeks etc because they were believed to be part Black because of their 'dark' skin.
There are actually three African countries bearing that name: Guinea (Conakry), Guinea-Bissau, and Equatorial Guinea. These names are holdovers from the historical Guinea Region, which today makes up most of West Africa. As for New Guinea in the South Pacific, it got its name cuz European explorers thought its inhabitants resembled the black people in West Africa.
The southern European groups you mentioned are known to carry the sickle cell anemia trait, as do certain Jewish groups. Health practitioners are told not to discuss this because it is considered embarrassing to the southern Europeans. Embarrassing or not, the blood does not lie. Incidentally, we are wondering why the term "Colored" is considered offensive to Black Americans. Frequently, some elderly Black people will use that term. Sometimes the younger people will say they use another term, but usually they don't say anything because they know to whom the elderly are referring. I never recall anyone getting upset. There was a time when people became very upset when. anyone called Black, and attaching the term "African" was definitely a no no. Many don't like the term African American. I understand this because they were not birn.in Africa, never lived in.Africa, and frequently have mixed-race heritage.
Why is it that the lighter skin people hate the darker skin people, but not the other way around? Dark skin people have no problem with light skin people
My experience in India - this was in 1980, which is a long time ago - was that there was tremendous animosity between Indian states, which was pretty sad.
I appreciate this. I'm Sicilian and Calabrese, my name comes from Sicily. Anyhow I have a lot of experience with black Americans and Creoles as well. I've caught hell from Irish and black Americans Yes because of my race. As well I've been adopted by the black community and families as well. The best understanding I get of course is from other Italian people even though we don't always get along. I anticipate and hope to be back in Italy around my family in Italy. Sicily is beautiful as is Calabria. My family has moved on from the old neighborhood's in Chicago like little Italy. We have went through a lot and have always been the hardest working people Mexican men have told me that. Anyhow generationally I feel I've come full circle. In general people don't know our history only a few and it needs to be spoken. Thank you for your channel and dedication and hard work
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The term "guinea" is more than likely in reference to the "guinea coast" which is how West Africa was referred to. It comes from the berber term "ghinawen" which means burnt people. So them calling southern Italians "guineas" is either them calling you N-words, or them referring to the heavy African lineage brought about by the moorish invasion of which ther berbers(masmuda, tuareg, and other dark skinned tribes), were major components. Y-dna(haplogroup E) is very prevalent in the Mediterranean. Ironically there's another word used to refer to italians. It's called "mamelukes". That is directly related to the moorish invasion as well. A "mameluke" was a central asian slave soldier trained by the arab tribes of the Arabian peninsula to bolster number. Today it is used to mean "fool" or "idiot".
arabs are not moors and all the moor saints in europe, from germany to italy is black not slaves and the black moors are depicted as kings in europe, so stop the propaganda
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 Thank you for clarifying this. It's simply an attempt to revise history by making the Moors “black” even though the Moors weren't sub-Saharan: from Tarik Ibn Zayid to Boabdil many of the Middle Eastern occupiers were of Arab, Berber or some other Middle Eastern descent. I've read elsewhere that the amount of sub-Saharan African ancestry in Italy is about 5% and that also includes southeastern Spain too. It seems that even since ancient times Africa, was stereotyped as being a continent filled with blacks, and so the term “Moor” came to mean in the Middle Ages a person of “dark complexion,” if we consider the Latin etymology _mauri_ meaning “dark” the Moors ended up being stereotyped as “black Africans”.
UA-cam is flagging words???!!!! WTH????? God Bless you Danielle! God bless your heart and your amazing, curious, searching, thirsty for knowledge and learning brain!
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I love you channel and you keep it real! Don't let the hater try to bring you down. It is what it is colored I highly doubt any colored people are offended. Keep doing what you are doing.
I love you channel and you keep it real! Don't let the hater try to bring you down. It is what it is colored I highly doubt any colored people are offended. Keep doing what you are doing.
I'm Italian/Sicilian, 64 years old, and have rarely ever heard the term you mentioned. Guido, was one I laughed at the most, but my friend always told a "joke" with the two most common: "What sound does flat tires on an Italian car make? "Dago, wop, wop, wop, wop..." But, then again, I was a teen in the 1970's, when people rarely got offended. After all, nobody took offense at Archie Bunker, The Jefferson's, Sanford & Son, etc. I feel truly blessed that we didn't have computers, cell phones and social media
@angelo8424: Whatever the intent of their creators, all of those shows caused plenty of racial controversy whether it was rehashing old stereotypes or normalizing bad behavior. Personally, growing up back east, I had more than enough of real Archie Bunker types in real life. I never found a need to experience more on some comedy show.
My mother’s family-all southern Italian (Calabrese)-used to say on Italian helicopters the big blade said wop, wop, wop, and the little blade guinea, guinea, guinea. No one in the family took offense I suppose because as Italians they could say it. But they made their share of Polish, Irish and German jokes.
Politically Homeless!!! Yes, that is the feeling I feel too. I often say I'm an independent, but it never feels like a good fit. So many people like to put these "topics" aside vs facing, accepting, processing and moving forward...the pain of moving forward will pass if we can get past it. This isn't one of those nice feeling fixes, it's a rip off the bandaid and address it correctly/respectfully issue.
From what I understand, in order to rid ourselves of the two party system, several things need to happen. 🐈⬛ Get rid of $$$ in politics, including lobbyists and PAC's, which means overturning the Citizens United ruling giving corporations free speech rights. (This involves a number of steps because the SCOTUS make-up would need to change.) 🐈⬛ Get rid of the filibuster, at least in its present form, so that the people's business can be handled. 🐈⬛ Get informed. Know who the candidates are and exactly what they are. In races with a shark or genuinely corrupt candidate or mediocre ones, choose the lesser of weavils, or leave blank, or write-in...depending on what your state allows. Note: that may not sit well, but we got here because a lot of us weren't paying attention over time. So, breathe deep, this will take determination, focus, and time to fix. 🐈⬛ Vote for "grassroots" or non-corporate funded candidates. A lot of these tend to be progressive, but there are ones, like Katie Porter in my state, who cut a more pragmatic centrist path. 🐈⬛ Don't forget local elections. A) they actually affect us the most. B) this is often where these politicians start. Again, find out as much info as you can. IMHO both parties think we're not paying attention, one becoming a vehicle for one figure/vocal minority, the other carrying on like this was the 90's or something. Honestly, I don't know what to say for conservatives, who until 2016 had some variety and moderation in their party, as it seems that very few of their politicians have raised concern or objection over trump monopolizing the party to the determent of all the others running for office. Maybe vote candidate by candidate, if that's possible.... For my conservative friends and family, I'd love to see that whole mess booted and start over, but that's unrealistic. We'll see what's up in a few months. The DNC isn't much better. Disclosure: I'm more of a lefty, Bernie type, so they don't really represent me, either. However, they are closer to center than the RNC is right now. But, they are also an unwieldy, "establishment" bureaucracy that has forgotten what their purpose was, to objectively support/help candidates get elected. So, what happens is that people who aren't necessarily Democrats still end up running under their banner because there are effectively only two parties. If we chip away at this rock and keep our eye on the prize, we can get these changes made. However, it will take a majority and a mix of backgrounds/beliefs to make this happen. Good news is that we should be used to that, so let's get busy! 🍀✊ Ps. Sorry this went long. Hope it's helpful, and that I didn't miss something important. ✌️😎🌻 PPs. I credit Beau of the Fifth Column's channels/videos for helping me have the perspective and calm to be able deal with the craziness that is our politics during an election year. 🍀
I'm a middle-aged Haitian-American man from Flatbush, Brooklyn and I have immense respect for your knowledge and passion for truth and history! I'm currently reading a book called BORGARTA by Louis Ferrante and he discusses the similarities between Sicilian immigrants during the late 1800s with the African American people. I strongly believe that this history is hidden from the masses for a reason. Keep up the good work my sister. Beauty and intelligence make the complete woman.
It's not hidden from the masses, it's overlooked , maybe forgotten, but it's just in the US/Anglosphere that it's kinda "taboo" and for a simple reason I guess: the poor relatives syndrome. Once you climb the social ladder, you remove your poor parents to be assimilated into the successful circle. In the US social ierarchy has gone a lot thru racial boxes so once you earn social success/ "whiteness" you keep distant from your former friends and even relatives. Unless they have a 6 figures income.. It's not that racial boxes don't exist outside the US but as an African student in Europe I never found any "hidden" facts about Italians and especially Southern Italian migrants getting along with black people in US post slavery context and UK colonialism/ commonwealth context. As a reference, think of the Brit movie "Absolute beginners", it wasn't a huge success but got popular since David Bowie and other Brit musicians star in it - a London suburb being kinda little Italy was attacked by racists for the ongoing mixing , Italian migrants and black citizens from colonies marrying each other etcetera. I just think that in the US people pretend to ignore simple history facts because the heated political debate always needs propaganda and confusion to have gullible voters.
I was raised with my maternal grandparents. My grandfather immigrated from Sicily . He always considered himself to be of “ Moorish,” decent. My Grandmother was from Russia. I was adopted, arranged. Who knows what my genetic roots are. Illegal in California for me too see my original birth certificate. Imagine.
My mother’s grandparents and parents all came from Corleone. They came through in New Orleans and had to make suits and dresses for 4 years before they were allowed to move to Chicago. I still have my great grandfathers tailoring scissors. They were not treated well at all
@neilpetersen5287 Thanks for sharing. My late mother was a seamstress in Manhattan when she arrived in this country in the early 1960s. However, she retired as a CPA by the early 2000s. She was blessed with that Caribbean work ethic.
Funny you mentioned Guinea. My family is Sicilian and we used to own a Produce store in a tough neighborhood in Brooklyn called Bushwick in the 60's and 70's and this American White girl was arguing over some change with my Dad and she called him a Guinea. I heard her say it to him and he came over to me and he asked me can you please tell me what that word means? He did not know how to react because he didn't know what it meant but kind of felt it was not a nice word. Of course I explained later on. I kind of felt he heard this word before. We were and still are proud Sicilians and no word can change that. I also believe any nationality that over reacts to these kind of words especially in these times are just showing their weakness as a people. That is just my opinion. Love your video on these kind of subjects. It is definitely a subject that should be discussed.
Subscribing to your channel. Keep up the work. Ivan Van Sertima, Runoko Rashidi, Jose Pimienta Bey, and Lucia Chiavola Birnbaum had great work on the history of Africa and its influence in Italy.
Interestingly, there is a community in Gloucester, Virginia where I grew up called Guinea and the people who have lived there have been traditionally called gunieamen. They have settled in the area since before the revolutionary war and have their own dialect which can be hard to understand. Mostly all fishermen and crabbers.
@@nickvitale3803I’m Carlo Moceri’s son and I work with a few of those Guineaman as they call themselves on tugboats and found that funny as well. Are you Patancia’s Nick?
UA-cam as well as other major social media platforms in general have PC fragility issues in my opinion when they decide to resort to censorship more often than not. Sorry that you had to deal with that.
As a Black man that went to High School in Bensonhurst late 80s early 90s with the Italian American of old and tensions running high between us. I send amor to my friends acquaintances and the not so nice. May tolerance and respect grow from our lived experiences the good the bad and ugly. I fully support this channel and am learning tons. Salud
I'm Mike Gebrial. I'm Ethiopian Australian. I also identify as African Australian. I like watching your videos @@nytn. You're interesting. Our countries went to war but I got love for you. I have family friends that are half Italian and half Ethiopian. Peace
Interesting comment. Was this during the murder of Yusef Hawkins back in 1989? I remember seeing the protests and tensions in Bensonhurst during this time.
You survived the Yusuf Hawkins incident and the marches in the aftermath. I also remember the Gravesend incident earlier. I almost visited there but,the Hawkins murder ended that as well as Reverend Sharpton almost being killed. I watched Jungle Fever more than once in that era and no doubt it was a dangerous place for a Black male.
This channel is very educational and enlightening! You're unraveling much needed history that's been long neglected and ignored. I've always been fascinated with Italian/Italian American history that wasn't mired in tired "Mafia/organized crime tropes and stereotypes." Growing up in Baltimore, I've witnessed the intersection of Black and Italian communities whether is was in school, work, religion, sports and etc. These two communities share some social history. In one his many of his lectures, historian Dr. John Henrik Clarke spoke about this word 'Guinea' and how it was a used as a slur against Italian Americans because of what people's racist misconceptions that Italians had traces of "African blood." The U.S. caste system and colorism definitely played a major role in this confusion and ignorance. Keep up the good work. Thanks again!
This actually happened to Frank Sinatra's parents. His mother's Northern Italian family did not approve of Frank's Sicilian father. But they ended up getting married anyway and birthed the legend himself, Ol' Blue Eyes.
I just love this conversation! If only we all could see our family histories as threads in a huge, beautiful, colorful tapestry.... The vivid colors of Earth and life, not skin . Actually, a tapestry of black and white and everything in between sounds interesting, too, but my first idea was really colorful. The point is, it would be woven with honor and love.... Or a patchwork quilt! Omg it's gonna be a sleepless night full of tapestries of humanity if i don't take something soon 😂
Thank you for this. My wife is from Milan, Italy, and I've been trying to explain this to her because she often doesn't know where this stuff comes from or how to interpret it.
Another stellar episode, Danielle. Thank-you. In my humble opinion, anything associated with “dark”, or “black,” or African is considered bad and inferior. So if southern Italians were considered “dark” then that’s connected to Africa and thus bad and inferior . Forget about the incredible achievements of the Roman Empire, or Italian culture, food, etc. Less I start rambling, you’ve produced another fascinating episode. Keep it up!
Yes a very touched on but never fully described as you have epithet, that was used mainly in the cities[Kansas and Missouri] i lived in for while. We had a teacher that was a great guy, with whom we learned all the racial epithets used between and for Blacks and Italians [ our teacher was just one like in the movie "The Wanderers" ] and we learned valuable lessons to why and whom and its meanings. They used the word "G__", but with a qualifier as to work they did with calling a Italian a "Swamp G__" and so forth, as they hated being referred to anything "Black", as taught by/in their own homelands. The associations to Africa/African lineage, or "Black Sicilian" was considered a very bad thing to be, as like the Germans and other Europeans at the time...They were considered to be "tainted" if there were any other racial collective in their genes, especially African. Being called a "G__" Those were, among others "fighting words", and kept the tensions high between the Blacks, Italians, and Irish mainly. And it as usual was about jobs and employment and moving the stratified "hierarchy" that is America. I observed much to people then, and many were friends but these schisms came about with stress to adults and jobs and they any and all weapons in the language to degrade the other. As we Black people have been accused and made to acknowledge that we use the "N-word" to each other, they [Italians ]did use among themselves at time. I could say a lot more but your video is very good and i hope more people see it to learn other people do use language and terms and epithets to demean others based on words and references they may know little to nothing about. Much to Italians and others is based on pride...Whether painful...Or false, as no one likes to be the lowest "butt" of jokes and stereotypes, as it insults an entire people based on the worst and can and does...Affect your employment and personal, and mental life as well. Certain words, and racial terms and where they came from, and what context they have today with learning about other various peoples will shed much more light as you go into what i call "research mode" and even some more "oral histories" from other Italians and those close to them. Overall good video, though painful...As one must address all the nuances and other variables that lie underneath a people. The Italians, like most European immigrants have a more complex and underlying history and beliefs that even today you will have to delve more deeply into, and "weed out" what is pertinent...And what is not. My best friend was a Italian, and we did much...But when it came to crossing certain subjects, he stuck to old "tropes" and from the old country, that what was taught to him..And never questioned, and was more worried to his parents and his "people" thought, than showing true freedoms, that many parents, and Italian immigrants said to leave behind and start anew in America, but always remember where you came from. Learn from mistakes and the worst, that made you need and want to emigrate to the United States to start anew. Could say more, but you have done and educated people, and i hope you will expand your content to that which you are so passionate and researched about. A great video and with the explanations and terminology presented. One thing for certain is that a majority people hate with a passion the absolutely painful truths, instead how to move forward and fix it, when you bring it up... Peace
Guinea region along the west coast of Africa, presumably from an African word (perhaps Tuareg aginaw "black people"). As a derogatory term for "an Italian" (1896) it is from Guinea Negro (1740s) "black person, person of mixed ancestry;" applied to Italians probably because of their dark complexions relative to northern Europeans, and after 1911 it was occasionally applied to Hispanics and Pacific Islanders as well. New Guinea was so named 1546 by Spanish explorer Inigo Ortiz de Retes in reference to the natives' dark skin and tightly curled hair. The Guinea hen (1570s) is a domestic fowl imported from there. Related: Guinean.
@Balkanlegend890 like italians, Portuguese ppl range in phenotypes and skintones. Some are as white as Northern Europeans and some are as dark North African and arabs.
@Balkanlegend890 you just repeated what I said earlier, lol. and yes Northern European are more pale because of the geography not because they're more white. Scandinavia and other Northern European countries tend to be more cold with less sunlight that's why they have a whiter skin complexion. Southern Europe is hotter with alot of Sunshine ppl get darker in those regions because of it. Their still considered white European Caucasians. ( Mediterraneans)
Love learning how certain words became used outside of their normal definition and became slang, eventually being used loosely and normalized through ignorance. Thank you for the history keep it coming NYTN.
Thank you. Italian American from upstate NY. My Great grandfather arrived from Sicily in 1880's After my grandfather died my grandmother had gathered some items from the basement to throwaway. Curious - I started looking through some of the boxs. I was shocked and dismayed to find an old black & white photograph from the 1920's of our hometown. It was a storefront with a sign that read. No Dog's or Wop's allowed. We need to know our history, good and bad.
Across all cultures, darker skinned people are and have been treated badly by lighter skinned people. I have no idea when or what made people decide dark skin was synonymous with bad
It was synonym with poor mainly. Read the Song of Songs or the myth of "blue blood" in aristocracy. Why the lady of the Songs justify herself for being "black"? Because she wants not to be judged for her humble work outdoor in front of her noble beloved. Why aristocracy had "blue blood"? Because their venes blue blood was just visible since they didn't have to work outside in the field and get tanned. Why light skinned Africans used to think of darker skinned Africans like people of lesser prestige? Why especially for women a light skin is beautiful in many places of India , and the rest of Asia? It goes with being precious graceful princesses spared from daily struggles and misery. Colourism rises from this kind of association and conflates with all other rather weird constructs that humankind always creates (race, tribalism and more)
It's all spun and negative and exaggerated ,like that movie "do the right thing " you'd of thought Italians were the racists . More divide and conquer by Hollywood . Maybe , read a book about Lee Iaccoca
This is another sensitive topic that is usually only safe to discuss among close friends and family. That is why I feel a part of this channel; these topics are handled in such a responsible and educated fashion here.
Thank you. First time viewer and I learned quite a bit. I hope you continue this kind of content until you are a household word. We really need to heal and talk to each other in this country.
Thank you for your insights and patience 🙏 you will have haters for your kindness and how much effort you put into your channel. Please keep pushing forward
Thanks for sharing your sensitivities related to ethnicity and some pejorative terms associated with the subject. You openness is enlightening to us all.
Yes. So? Your point? In Sicily you can find people like northern europeans (norman and german ancestry) and like maghrebi people. Totally NOT important, in my opinion. Fun fact: Corleone, center of Mafia (generally related to "southern italy" in a derogative way) was founded by piedmontese and lombard colonists. Your obsession to blacwash or whitewash is ridicolous, folks.
So basically, “guinea” is how Italians call each other the N word, without literally calling each the other the N word. It’s just a mild form of “anti-blackness”, although it originally targeted darker Italians. (Who, by the way, are usually the best looking Italians)
Guinea is an anglo slur for underdeveloped, savage, not civilised people - the reference is both to a mythical concept of "Africa" as far away weird savage place and the Guinea pigs , animals (=irrational, istinctive, rabid, not accountable etcetera ). So it's not Italian stuff, it's something into anglo/Northern culture (Brit people use it among themselves) that Italian Americans eventually adopted. It just mirrors US / anglo social ladder.
This is some of the best conversation on YT... Don't let the "chuckleheads" run you off. I studied some history and a bit of Black History in college. The first video I watched was of the interview of the former enslaved gentleman. I had no idea of who NYTN was; but, the information stuck with me. Since then I have found out that I may be related to Thomas Jefferson by way of Sally Hemmings. I don't know if I really wanna know the rest... maybe one day.
Love your videos. Even though I am not a dark skin Sicilian my dad kind of was. My mom was lighter skinned. But yes growing up in BKLN and Queens border in NYC I heard that term guinea many times. Never really understood the meaning but I did know that it was a racial slur against Italians. But I am so proud of my heritage that I never let it bother me!
Appreciate you. Keep doing what you are doing. No one wants to talk about these issues. The only way we get through them is having mature, real and objective discussions. I am black and one of my very best friends is Sicilian and we had this discussion long ago. Bottom line people are people, but we have to talk to each other.
I'm an African Hebrew Israelite.... AND.... growing up Italian-Americans were always very kind to me. I think it's because quietly Italian-Americans know they have significant African ancestry in their genetics. Or maybe it's the African soul express itself in their genetics. Btw I've had an Italian-American woman hint to me that Italians have African-Ancestry based on a fact that Italians have a high incidence of a genetic disease alpha thalassemia which is a form of blood anemia similar but milder than sickle-cell anemia. Both alpha thalassemia and especially sickle-cell anemia are genetic blood anemias that have a very high incidence among West Africans. So the theory is that Africans at some point in history migrated to Italy and other Mediterranean countries and mixed with the people there transferring these genetic diseases off to them and that's why Italians have a significant incidence of these diseases. Btw this Italian-American lady that told me this actually had "dirty blonde" hair and blue eyes. In other words, she was an Italian-American who could pass off as "fully White" yet she was truthful and un-shameful enough to tell me this fact.
Yeah. The Sicilian lady that told me about it had a beta thalassemia too. Beta thalassemia is the mild form and very common in Sicilians, Southern Italians, and some other countries along the Mediterranean Sea (Greece, etc.).@
It's called , mainstream, "mediterranean anemia" so yes, it's an issue. Also, mediterranean people have brca issues like the Jews and more glaucoma vulnerability like black (and I mean really "black" people, Central and west African like me) . "Fun" fact, even if they have white porcelain skin . Dna is tricky, and we shouldn't conflate it with ethnicity / culture/ phenotypes. Sometimes things do coincide, more often they don't. I hope we will understand that race is just a bug of human mind and not an objective reality.
DEAR BELIEVER, YOU CAN'T BE BOTH YOU ARE EITHER AN AFRICAN WERE THE WORD COMES FROM AFAR (A-F-R); AVAR (A-R-V); EPHRIAM (E-PH-R), EBER (E-B-R SLANDERED IN MISTRANSLATED AS BERBERS NOTE: GREEKS DID NOT GIVE THE NAME AFRICA (A-F-R) THAT IS AN ACADEMIC LIE); IBERIA (I-B-R; PER-SAXON/SPAIN CONQUEST AND ISLAM) EBER SON OF SALAH, SON OF ARPAFXAD (ARABS; PLEASE NOTE ISMAEL IS NOT THE FATHER OF THE ARABS THAT IS A LIE. HIS MOTHER WAS JAPHETHITE (COPTIC/SABATI) SO-CALLED EGYPTIANS OR SUMERIANS AS IT DEPENDS ON WHO'S TELLING THE LIE (WHO ARE REALLY MESOPOTAMIANS) WHO ARE IMMIGRANTS TO THE NILE. PLEASE NOTE; THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BLACK JEW THE JEWS (UYGHRICS I.E., KAZRS OF UKRAINE CHANGED THE TORAH WITH THERE HANDS). JEWS ARE ONE OF FOUR CONVERTS THAT STAND OUT THE TRIBES OF BANI IRSAEL. THE TORAH IS OF TWO SCROLLS (DAVID-1 LEVITCUS AND SOLOMAN-2 DEUTERONOMY I.E., MEMBERS OF THE ROYAL HOUSE OR IMRAN (ASA) AMRAMIM) THAT IS THE ANCIENT BOOK OF THE SABAEANS (NAME OF OUR RELIGION) OF NUBIA. SECONDLY, HEBER, SON OF ASHER LIVE BEYOND THE GEORGIAN MOUNTS; THE PEOPLE OF RUTH (R-U-TH) WHO SETTLE IN RUSSIA AND LIVE BETWEEN THE GERMANY TO THE WEST AND TURKS TO THE EAST. THE DAILECT TO WHICH IS SPOKEN IS UYGHRICS RUSSIAN OR EAST GERMANY WHICH ARE NOT DIALECTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST. THE GERMAN SPEAKING JEWS (YIDDISH) WHO CALL THEMSELVES ASHKENAZI (SH-K-N) (I.E., SASSONI (S-SS-N) OF PERSIA IRAN) HIJACK THEIR IDENTITY, AND THE SEPHARDICS OF IBERIAN SPAIN WHO ANCESTORS ARE FROM NORTH AFRICA . THEREFORE YOU ARE OF THE EBERITES/BERBERS OF HISTORY WHO WERE TAUGHT THE TORAH BY THE BANI MOREAI (M-O-R/I; WHO ARE THE MAURITANIANS, MOROCCANS AND MOORES OF IBERIA SPAIN AND IRELAND) WHO WERE OF THE LEVITE CLAN OF BANI LEVI (L-V-I I.E., LIBYA (L-B-Y). MAY FAMILY BY DNA ARE OF THREE TRIBES; EPHRAIM (EBER/AFARI OF PORTUGAL ON MY MOTHER SIDE); THE MANDIKA (BANI MENESSAH ON MY FATHERS SIDE); AND LIBYA (BANI LEVI BY WHICH WE INTERMARRIED). IF YOU ARE OF THE AFRICAN DIASPORA THAT CAME FROM THE WEST COAST YOU ARE OF EITHER OF THE MANDINKA (MENSSAH), THE EBO (EPHRIAM) OR HASUA (BANTU, CONGO, CAMROON, NAMBIAIN I.E., BANU SANA'A OF ISRAEL). NOTE: THE TRUE JERU (AARON/PRIEST)-SALEM (SOLOMON/PROPHET) REALLY IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF MODERN DAY SOUTH AFRICA NOT IN PALENSTINE. I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME YOUR IDENTITY OR WANT TO DISRESPECTFUL BUT WHEN BLACKS LIVING IN AMERICAN IDENTIFY AS HEBREW OR JEW IT'S VERY INSULTING TO US AFRICANS BECAUSE WE KNOW OUR HISTORY AND BECAUSE OF THIS WE WON'T EMBRACE YOU BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU'RE HOLDING TO THE LIE OF THE JEWS AND THE JEW IS OUR ENEMY.
I recommend that maybe you may have a splash screen with a warning that you do go over racial topics in an attempt to end racial issues in the us with a historical and philosophical analysis of the topic. That this is not for the close minded and the like. Add it to a bumper (15 seconds) and a musical sting noting when the warning is on screen). Just what I think may work but I am just an independent politically and a viewer - I am certain other history tubers maybe would have idea you can use as well.
@@khreanos"Dago" initially was a slur against Spaniards as assassins who used a "dagger." I am not sure how this designation was transferred to include.those of Italuan extraction.
@@khreanos I have heard that explanation before, just wondering if there is another explanation....I also hard that dago's was also used for a manual worker that was picked up for a days work and then he would go
Is it UA-cam that’s flagging your videos or some troll? The information you’re putting out is very important, there are people out there who don’t want this information told.
@@BluEx22329 moderate what because you can have left or right moderates hence the term agnostic politically much like religious I am agnostic not atheist. And some believe agnostic is atheism. Which it is not.
As a black man, it is difficult to align with anyone claiming anything other than black. If I go to Italian American house they are inviting over the "others," and then I am right back to not just being black but feeling black. I don't want to feel my skin anymore.
how do you feel black? I'm light brown, have a long long history in this country going back to 1765 and traced great grandfather back to 1808. All along the way we have both mixed French, Spain and slaves. My mother basically passed as white as a result of the mixing above and she happened to marry my father whom was dark as night. My siblings are as mixed. Some born with blonde hair and blue eyes, while some are medium brown and another black as night.
@melissadenbo2461 I feel black because people say things to me because I'm black or about me beingg black or assume things. I am black and proud and love that but in Africa don't think I would need the color modifier to reflect the condition of my humanity. I DONT WANT TO SPEAK TO ANYONE ABOUT BLACKNESS, WHEN it's a waste of the time i can use to discuss being a man not juxtaposed to white society but merely ovjective inside my society, which hapens to be black.I can merely be a man as opposed to the connotations along with being a "black man."
“Does Africa begin in Rome” is an interesting thought. I’ve heard that even in Spain, they often consider southern Spaniards as Africans. (Al-Andalus/ Andalusia)
I’m Italian; my Grandparents were from Naples. We were taught that Sicilians were mixed with African people, who crossed over into Sicily at some point in history. Therefore they are darker skinned. Not a big deal! Personally, I find them as beautiful as the Gypsies in Romania and Hungary, my other Heritage. Mixing blood makes more beautiful, exotic people. 🤗
I am Sicilian, and was married to a Romanian Gypsy for 36 yrs. The most beautiful woman I have ever known! My daughter, half Sicilian and Gypsy, has been mistaken for Spanish all her life! How’s that for a twist? Peace!!
My Dad grew up in St Louis. His Hood consisted of Scillians, Irish, African American, Jewish, and one Chinese. One Dad's Homies was Scillian, Irish and African-American. His name was Deigo Howard. You know what Homeboy got called by his Friends? Dagon Howard.
I've never met an African American before 😂 I'm just wondering how can anyone be from two continents is crazy. I know Elon Musk is but he was born in South Africa right ? So is he the African American that was your dad's friend?
The Sicilians brought their brass band tradion to New Orleans (brass bands were growing in popularity after the Civil War). The fiddle and banjo tunes were transferred to piano (Ragtime) and to brass bands (Jazz). The Mediterranean was a crossroads for the ancient world. Southern Italy spoke Greek (still in a few places) until 1400 years ago, the dialects have many Greek words. Sicily was ruled by the Muslims for a few centuries, thus words of Arabic origin. Humans have always moved, mixed, and (hopefully) learned from each other.
Lies Black Americans brought Brass bands you people love to leave out what Black Americans have a created. This tradition dates back to the mid-19th century, when a national craze for brass bands erupted in New Orleans. By century’s end, there were an estimated 10,000 active bands in the US, equaling roughly one band for every 6,300 people. These bands embraced the popular music of the period, including transcriptions of opera overtures, martial music, folk songs, and popular melodies. In New Orleans, both white and black brass bands existed and operated in similar spheres-playing a similar repertoire, wearing military-inspired uniforms, and adopting aspirational and inspiring names such as the Excelsior and Onward. During the same period, benevolent societies and social aid and pleasure clubs boomed in popularity among the city’s African-American and Afro-Creole populations. These groups sponsored church, club, and funeral parades, providing work for the many black brass bands and creating a mutually beneficial patronage relationship that has nurtured brass band music, musicians, and parade culture through the decades. The gigs informed the repertoire, which combined sacred hymns with popular tunes according to occasion and audience. From there, brass bands continued to incorporate the new sounds of the day into their music. The introduction of jazz performance styles around 1900 forever changed the local brass band idiom. Bands such as the Original Tuxedo and the Superior, which operated as both orchestras for venue performances and as brass bands for marching gigs, began incorporating jazz elements. Though some musicians operated in only one sphere, many played parades and clubs, interweaving repertoire and style. In this way, jazz not only influenced brass band music, but was itself affected by the bands and their musical traditions-flourishing in and reacting to the performance spaces provided by black churches, benevolent societies, and social aid and pleasure clubs. In the late 1970s, as popular music and culture evolved further, the Dirty Dozen redefined what a New Orleans brass band could be. This group updated its music to include bebop and funk elements. In doing so, they realigned the brass band repertoire with popular music of the period-just as the traditional bands had during their era of inception. Numerous popular bands have followed in the Dozen’s footsteps, including Rebirth, the Hot 8, and the Soul Rebels-all of whom use hip hop and contemporary popular music elements in constructing their sound and style while maintaining the tradition of playing club and funeral parades. While some bands have pushed the brass band style and tradition in new directions, others, such as the Liberty, Young Tuxedo, and Olympia continue to embrace the traditional style in their performances. This intentional focus on maintaining traditions helps to preserve a cultural practice well over a century old. Together, the performance practices of traditional and contemporary-style bands represent an integral, living component of New Orleans’s musical heritage. A version of this story originally appeared in the Historically Speaking column in the New Orleans Advocate. For more on New Orleans second lines, visit THNOC's exhibition Dancing in the Streets.
@. I did not make a "complete" statement, but just a historical quip. Thanks for your additional info. More needs to be said about the flowering of African-American culture and the interactions of various groups. Two foundational instruments: the fiddle (from Europe, originally from the Middle East) and the banjo (from Sub-Saharan Africa). The interaction of these two instruments caused the fiddle tunes played here to sound different from the same tunes played in the British Isles. The piano came from Europe, developed from an ancestor of the hammered dulcimer (found all over the ancient world, Africa, Asia, and Europe). Humans have used horns, reeds, sticks - anything they could get - for musical expression. Musicians: once they hear something, they can't unhear it. Thus ideas and inspiration spread. I've found that the more I know, the more I realize that I don't know much. Humans inspire each other.
@@AmoniC. brass bands were massively "imported" from Sicily , directly from US "invitation" -and Sicilians settled a lot in New Orleans. It's not to say they "invented" them but clearly they were pivotal into brass band developement influening and being influenced by black musicians who adopted the European instruments. Jazz is a meltin pot product . That is not to belittle black people central role in it. But honestly as an African I can confidently say that's not "African traditional music", the cultural admixture is blatant. I recognize instead more "home vibes" in the tonality of very first spirituals like Amazing grace , whose music was actually African Melody from slaves sad chant.
By the way We are not talking about African we are talking about Black Americans who have built this country and implemented forms like the civil right forms for you to come here. Black Americans/ indigenous People have created Jazz , Country, Rock n Roll , Disco and hip hop all by themselves. At the end the day go learn your own history as a African.
Grazie per questo. Ho sempre avuto curiosità sull'eziologia della parola 'Guinea'. Tuttavia, sono stanco di tutto questo concetto di 'offensivo', 'inaccettabile' eccetera eccetera, per ciò che sono semplicemente... parole. I’m of Italian origin (South Italian). In fact, although I’m born Italian-Brit, I have an Italian passport and I regularly visit family in Molise, Italy 1-3x per year. Here in the UK (I’m in Scotland), “Guinea” is rarely, if at all, heard. The usual colloquial/slang terms for Italians are “eye-tie”, “wop”, “dago”, “tally”. Now, I personally (and I’ll be 65 this coming May) have never (or at least as far as I’m aware), ever been called anything (allegedly) derogatory, although I have occasionally heard those terms used. The point is (and I refer back to my starting paragraph) that it’s the INTENT behind what’s being said and NOT the word itself that is or isn’t offensive. I don’t have a problem in being referred to as *any* of those terms, *including* “Guinea” as long as the *intent* behind the utterance is not malicious… and you can always tell through tone of voice, facial expression, inflection etc. If intended in a derogatory manner… then a fat lip may ensue. I don’t need legislation to protect me… I can stand up for myself. You may find this interesting (and it may or may not be somehow related), the word “Guinea” also refers to an old monetary unit here in the UK, but long since disappeared due to decimalisation in the early 1970s. In the ‘old days’, a Guinea was the equivalent of £1 and 1 shilling… so, for example, 9 Guineas would equal £9 10/- (9 pounds and 9 shillings). Whether there’s a connection or not… who knows 🤷🏻♂️
It is said that the anglophone association for calling Italians "Guinea" comes from Italians being cheap work force poorly paid rather than some mythical African thing. Idk how much this fits race-obsessed US context, though
oh shit. i've definitely used this term ironically describing myself lol i'm a quarter sicilian and the rest is southern italian (with a sprinkle of northern). it was never used as a derogatory term towards me so i fortunately never felt the sting of hearing it that way.
@@sr2291 my family was listed in census from 1850 to 1920 as Mulatto. We had every color in the rainbow in my family and to this day still do. Some born with blond hair, blue eyes and dark skin, while others as white or as black. from DNA we have a dominant ressive gene that shows up from our French/Spainard ancestors. The dark skin from our slave ancestor. Some of us can and do pass as white.
@@melissadenbo2461 I saw this at my family reunions we have them like the Olympic in different states. 1850 couple and some of the lineages went lighter less than 50% black for several generations. Others are darker but still mixed race. With My grandfather and his cousins you can clearly see the mix ancestry. Almost 90 with a big fluffy Afro which runs in the family.
Used to visit his grandmother on the reservation as she was part Indian. That’s 5 generations ago and that’s how quickly some genes disappear. Native American Shows up less 5% or 0 on ancestry tests
Watching a discussion about people feeling like the biggest imaginable insult would be to be compared to or accused of being Black, is surreal as a Black person. I get it. Nobody wants to be misidentified. But when you said what does it mean about our culture, and then suggested it was complex - ok sure it is, but there are a fair few ideas that stand out - like our culture being anti-black. The G word is a slur because culture has decided that being black or black adjacent is the worst thing anyone could be. That says sad things about our culture.
During the times of the Romans it was an insult to be associated with the north savage barabarians. The Romans called them wild and rather associated with the south as the whites then were cavemanish and animalistic. The Romans tamed them and made them civilised . Eventually the Europeans banded together and destroyed the Roman empire.
@@Jstar697 while facts, like those you shared, exemplify that what I referred to has happened before in different iterations, your example is otherwise unrelated . Danielle has already interviewed two professors, who have already given very precise historical context on what I am discussing. My contention is that the G word’s status as worst insult is as much related to misidentification as it is to who it misidentifies Italians as. We already understand the concept: it’s why Lola passed to keep her family safe. And plenty of people are still unsafe now for the same reason. It’s deeply embedded in our culture.
Ya you’re right as an American with Sicilian ancestry. That’s why it’s thrown around, because of the reality of the ancestry based off the history of the Moors and even prior to that the Punic Wars.
@@JohnDoe-mp1zk The context is this video. I think the majority of non-Italians don’t know the etymology. If so, G pigs would be called pocket capybaras and some of those establishments might think about rebranding maybe
Love your work. As a Sicilian-American on my mother's side from New Orleans (Alia to New Orleans in 1891), I became more self-aware of these connections in my late teens and early twenties. It's valuable that you are talking about this and other aspects of your combined heritage and how it relates to the majority populations and their power structure. Keep up the good work.
In reality darker hair is more common in Northern Europe than the blonde stereotypes. In parts of Canada I've seen the darker haired ppl like me more accepted.
Coincidence? Just after watching your Louisiana video and commenting about my wife’s family history. My feed pointed me to your Guinea video. I being from New Jersey and of Sicilian and southern Italian descent was surprised how so many of us may be connect no matter what our family origins might be. As a proud Italian American I have never felt offended by the terms Guinea, WOP or Dago. It has always been interesting to me how these terms came about. I never knew the real history of Guinea. Someone once told me that it derived from a type of jacket that many Italian immigrants wore. Not sure if there is any truth to that, but the connection to Northern Africa makes much more sense. Thanks for your videos, they are interesting and reveal that we all part the same human experience. All the best.
The WASP aristocracy or gentry class loved employing the use of these terms for olive skinned or visibly southern Italians and Sicilians. It was a useful way to keep us a rung below them no matter how hard we worked at advancement here in the U.S. I’m saddened that too great a number of Italian Americans today forget their own family’s immigrant story only a generation or so removed. Some Italians are in denial that were were considered anything other than White all along and seem to think its cool to vote with extreme alt-right white nationalists. We need to change this. Thanks for continuing to educate the public on this!
In the African American community we have names for these type of people who are sellouts to there people and our people’s history and one of them sits on the Supreme Court. The are trying to be in the Aryan club much like the leader of the proud boys, what I find ironic is if he was livin in Germany in the 1920’s to an1940’s he would been in a concentration camp or Sterilize so he couldn’t intermingle with any white German women in produce any mixed race babies. The are plenty of Aryan wanna be’s from all ethnic groups, it is a demonic sickness that has never went away. What I find most offensive as an African American is the notion that the G term has its roots in a associated with African people so there fore the Hate barometer is raised. My people are the most hated across the globe and we have given so much to human kind. Keep telling the truth cause if The MAGA trump people win in November all hell will brake out a cross the world. I find it extremely distressing that I am actually living in a country where racist fascist have seized one of the 2 major political party’s and may just take power this year, it is a sickening thought and reality
😁I like your thinking from what I hear so far.🎉 You seem to have sound reasoning. I'm glad to see you strong enough in purpose to not be stopped. You are serving a purpose and you said it all on this video Danielle Romero. To Bring Us Together To Stop and Think, "Should I be moved by these expressions I don't even know what it means?" Remember this If it's important You must have obstacles. They help to guide you towards your best. People put up obstacles here for various reasons. You hit nail on the head Unfortunately I have to add Many women and men are Jealous Arrogant Holding ignorant Grudges Have Hate in their hearts. I have learned a lot from your taking the time to find out how things came about as much as you can. Thank you. Some people, often women, may be harassing you Giving one reason to UA-cam but their defiled hearts don't like you because of your color or mixed race or some other reasoning which shows their base evolution. Women, men whatever race etc leave Danielle alone now from your harassment. Think about Your AFTERLIFE being based on what you have been doing, are doing and will do in the future.
What does it mean: I think what it means is that antiblackness is so at the core of the American "soul" that it's considered a slur and high insult to be compared to a black person.
@nytn A very good resource for the derivation of guinea and other slurs (and there are a whole heap of them) is H.L. Mencken's massive multi-volumed Dictionary of the American Language published in the 1930s/40s. Supplement 1 is probably the best source. It has about five pages on the etymology of anti-Italian slurs (situated within many pages of slurs against various other ethnic groups in the USA). Mencken notes that sources using the term to describe Africans date back to 1823. He was not able to determine when it came to be applied to Italians. Many of the slurs he explores for Italians haven't been heard in decades or were regional in nature (e.g., slurs he identifies as being specifically Californian or Pennsylvanian, etc.). His is the best source for understanding these words. It is heavily notated. Tremendous research. As we move further away from this history, most people have no idea where any of these words came from and in their laziness, they make up derivations, such as the often heard comment that Wop meant "without papers" which is utter nonsense.
Let's be real. Italian people, especially from the Southern regions of Italy, do have African ancestry. Some people will say they have Moorish blood in them, but the Moors were black as well. Southern Italians, especially the Sicilians have Greek, Arab, Berber, possibly some Turkish blood as well in addition to African ancestry. BC I have met plenty of Italians who look like they could be light-skinned Black Americans. I'm not of Italian descent, but I have been confused for being Italian. Who remembers the movie "True Romance" and the scene where the late Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walken and Walken's character dropped knowledge about the history of Sicilians and how they there ancestors were "N******"? And the reason they have darker skin and dark eyes is because they have black ancestry. You notice how a lot of Italian Americans like to brag anout how easily they tan and how a lot of Italian women have a voluptuous bod. Yes, at one point in the US history, Southern Italians were considered a separate racial group from Northern Italians. Also Sicilians were heavily lynched in the US, especially in the Southern States. There was a famous lynching of 11 Italian Americans in NOLA in 1891. Racist whites considered Italians lower than blacks. They were the 2nd most lynched group of people in the USA, after FBA (Foundational Black Americans). The mistreatment of Italian Americans in the USA was so bad that the USA almost went to war to Italy and the USA had to apologize to Italy over the mistreatment of Italians in the USA. Italian Americans were also the original public housing tenants 60-100 years ago. It was considered undesirable by the WASP people. The only became "White" around the 1950s and 1960s because the white power structure needed to boost their population numbers. It's a shame today that a lot but not all Americans of Italian descent now adopt a WS mindset like the FL Gov. Ron DeSantis. I've experienced a lot of prejudice from Italians, which is very sad. And then you hear about all the racism at soccer matches in Italy towards black players. A lot of italians forget that day was considered lower than dirt at one time. Thank you Ms. Daniella for the great content you produce. This is real talk we as Americans need to talk about. Italians and Blacks are more alike than we care to admit.
@@nytn Keep going madam. The only way racism and prejudice will ever dissipate in America as if we have discussions like this and take steps to rectify the situation.
Southern Italians may have some berber/semitic blood, but not black African, black Africans never conquered or occupied Europe, but of course this is probably from one of you "we wuz kangz" with an iq about 75. Most Italians hate black Africans especially the northern ones, and i dont see the problem, maybe some of the south Italians in america have black blood but not in Italy.
As someone interested in genetics and genealogy I don't agree that Italians have SSA ancestry. Moors also were North Africans and not SSA. What makes Southern Italians distinctive is the different groups that came in during the Roman Empire and that is when a lot of East Mediterranean people came in. That is why Southern Italians today are similar to Ashkenazi Jews in where they cluster. They have more ancestry with Middle Eastern populations and not SSA populations. Also regarding lynching I don't know why people are pushing that it was race related. Italians lynched were due to mob violence and because they were thought to have committed a crime. The most famous one is in New Orleans when a group of 11 Italians were lynched because they were blamed for the murder of Sherriff Hennessy. This was not because of their race. Italians whether they were discriminated against or not where still legally white and did not have the same discrimination that Americans of African ancestry had. I'm neither Italian or American and don't understand the need to make what European populations went through the same as Africans. It is just not comparable. Africans had chattel slavery and far more legal discrimination than Italians ever did.
@@jackieblue1267 I agree that Moorish weren't Africans (they conquered Africans , as Europeans did: and were even harsher in slavery , it's funny that since they weren't properly "anglo-white" they are cherished as Africans and better than Euroepans when they were NOT and produced what's called by scholars a Black holocaust erasing black populations with castration in slavery). Yet I think that it's not a comparison of sufferings as a competition / chart , as much as proper history told as it is, race and social injustice are a nuanced issue and must be addressed with facts and context as this channel does (thank you Danielle!)
Thanks for going over this, because it explains a little bit, on one side. I'd never heard this term being leveled against Italians before, but the Chestnut Ridge People claim it was used as a slur against them. They did intermarriage with a lot of Italians when they started coming over here, so now I think I need to work out if it's because of the interconnection with Italians, or was something that was also leveled against them on its own.
@@ruling528 not in Philly. I’ve hear that in movies but not in real life . They sound to endear. We’re to cut throat in Philly . The Italians and the Irish called each other the worst names possible. I think it have something to do with the Irish being indentured servants in the north and south and had to work side by side with black people . They even picked cotton
I appreciate you wanting to have conversations about delicate topics. People have become far too sensitive. I've been around people who used it as a joking and affectionate term. Everybody laughed, so i laughed too. I'm not Italian and do not use the term. Being an outsider, the context would be construed as hostile. Same rule as black people with the n-word. These types of words were commonplace in my grandparents' generation (I'm 61). I heard them used all the time - slurs for blacks, Italians, Hispanics, French, Germans, Irish, English, Asians, etc. I never cringe at these words, but I do pay attention to the context. Keep up the good work!
I was born in Louisiana and I moved to New Hampshire in the 70's where I first heard the term Guinea, I do remember it being used as an insult but I just figured it as a New England thing and ignored it. I lived in New Orleans when young since my Dad was a Tulane student and there were times when I heard Guinea used in the French Market. My grandmother would take me shopping there and I do remember her getting indignant at a vendor who called another customer that word but it did not cause a gun fight or fist fight like it may have in this day. I really wish we could all get along because as you say, "we are all in this together" thanks for bringing this and many other very important thoughts to this old man.
Interesting material. Australia has a rich history of prejudice against Southern Europeans, though today the Anglo Australians now focus their prejudices on newer migrant groups from Asia, the Subcontinent and the Middle East. An interesting side note is after WW2, Australia had been so traumatised by the thought of nearly being invaded by Japan, that the Politicians decided to allow more Southern Europeans into the country as a way to build up the population size. The rational was populate or perish. That is, Australia needed a larger population to defend against an Asian invasion. Australia has become so Multi Ethnic today, that this is forgotten history.
@@myronsmith2114No offence intended, I was commenting in relation to the Video context, ie about Italians, etc. The aboriginal situation in Australia is by far the worst discrimination in Australia's history, no doubt about it. In many ways it was a genocide of a people, and unfortunately most Australians still don't care. The recent referendum to allow more Aboriginal representation on how they deal with the Government and the fact that it was rejected demonstrates this.
So well articulated. Important topics of discussions should be delved into & not shied away from or swept under the rug. And she’s gorgeous too! Wishing all a blessed weekend! ✌🏻
The truth is, there are people to blame for where we are now. We didn’t ask to be labeled as less than or other. It was a conscientious decision made in order to promote the supremacy of the smallest group of people on earth. Since we are all OUT of Africa, how did that continent become the worse place to be associated with? I pay no attention to those people’s opinions about me or my people. I’m no longer hurt, confused, or dismayed because I finally understand that what they think has no real power. One day, very soon I hope, justice will be served for what they have done to God’s creation.
Yup my grandparents and father were from Southern Italy, Naples area, neapolitan, and they were in the NY/NJ and yes were told to make the kids stop speaking Italian at home by the schools in the 1940's, my Dad was mad about that later in life, could have been bi-lingual. Also his middle name was Mondea and he always hated it because I think that generation was really sometimes trying to hard to Americanize themselves. I think its a beautiful name. Also, called ginny etc. greazy ginny wap... things like that. My grandmother was very offended by the term. However, thank God we never lost our heritage and whenever go back to Italian reminds me so much they actually did take with them and I grew up Italian and soooo Proud to be Italian and love it. Love everything about the italian culture. Great channel, just found it.
I grew up in suburban Philadelphia, and had a lot of Italian friends. Italian guys always used that term (and two other words) towards each other, especially the very "White" appearing ones. However, I never heard any of them identify as "White". They were just "Italian". Years later, I became friends with a guy who was lighter-skinned than me, but the same complexion as my dad. When I asked if he was Black or "Puerto Rican" (yes, some Puerto Ricans are Black), he told me that he was Sicilian. He also said his father was born in Sicily and was my complexion. I had no idea until I learned his last name. He definitely didn't look "White".
Carthaginian lineage of mine and the word Guinea go hand and hand…as a great grandson of Guiseppe Preziosi was nicknamed `Il-Tripolino` or the Tripolitan. Italy was also North Africa for a time.
Guinea-Bissau is a country in Africa and New Guinea is an Island in Australia, the inhabitants of both of these places are Black. The term Guinea was originally used against Blacks and mixed race people who were part Black, it was later used against Southern Europeans such as Italians, Greeks etc because they were believed to be part Black because of their 'dark' skin.
An African Tribe did in fact conquer southern Italy and Sicily
New Guinea is NOT an Island in Australia! Near Australia!
There are actually three African countries bearing that name: Guinea (Conakry), Guinea-Bissau, and Equatorial Guinea. These names are holdovers from the historical Guinea Region, which today makes up most of West Africa. As for New Guinea in the South Pacific, it got its name cuz European explorers thought its inhabitants resembled the black people in West Africa.
There are multiple Guineas in West Africa.
The southern European groups you mentioned are known to carry the sickle cell anemia trait, as do certain Jewish groups. Health practitioners are told not to discuss this because it is considered embarrassing to the southern Europeans. Embarrassing or not, the blood does not lie. Incidentally, we are wondering why the term "Colored" is considered offensive to Black Americans. Frequently, some elderly Black people will use that term. Sometimes the younger people will say they use another term, but usually they don't say anything because they know to whom the elderly are referring. I never recall anyone getting upset. There was a time when people became very upset when. anyone called Black, and attaching the term "African" was definitely a no no. Many don't like the term African American. I understand this because they were not birn.in Africa, never lived in.Africa, and frequently have mixed-race heritage.
Southern Indians are looked down on by northern Indians because they're darker... it's a cultural thing in some regions.
And Sri Lankans have the darkest shade for that region.
Why is it that the lighter skin people hate the darker skin people, but not the other way around? Dark skin people have no problem with light skin people
My experience in India - this was in 1980, which is a long time ago - was that there was tremendous animosity between Indian states, which was pretty sad.
In Africa too there are plenty of colourism issues. Kenyan are looked down by Ethiopians and so on.
That don't count. That's not white racism.
I appreciate this. I'm Sicilian and Calabrese, my name comes from Sicily. Anyhow I have a lot of experience with black Americans and Creoles as well. I've caught hell from Irish and black Americans Yes because of my race. As well I've been adopted by the black community and families as well. The best understanding I get of course is from other Italian people even though we don't always get along. I anticipate and hope to be back in Italy around my family in Italy. Sicily is beautiful as is Calabria. My family has moved on from the old neighborhood's in Chicago like little Italy. We have went through a lot and have always been the hardest working people Mexican men have told me that. Anyhow generationally I feel I've come full circle. In general people don't know our history only a few and it needs to be spoken. Thank you for your channel and dedication and hard work
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La Sicilia è bellissima
The term "guinea" is more than likely in reference to the "guinea coast" which is how West Africa was referred to. It comes from the berber term "ghinawen" which means burnt people. So them calling southern Italians "guineas" is either them calling you N-words, or them referring to the heavy African lineage brought about by the moorish invasion of which ther berbers(masmuda, tuareg, and other dark skinned tribes), were major components. Y-dna(haplogroup E) is very prevalent in the Mediterranean. Ironically there's another word used to refer to italians. It's called "mamelukes". That is directly related to the moorish invasion as well. A "mameluke" was a central asian slave soldier trained by the arab tribes of the Arabian peninsula to bolster number. Today it is used to mean "fool" or "idiot".
Good information
Good info! 👍
arabs are not moors and all the moor saints in europe, from germany to italy is black not slaves and the black moors are depicted as kings in europe, so stop the propaganda
@@sulner9997 I don’t think all the moors were all black. From my understanding Islam is an Arabic faith from ishmaelites.
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848
Thank you for clarifying this. It's simply an attempt to revise history by making the Moors “black” even though the Moors weren't sub-Saharan: from Tarik Ibn Zayid to Boabdil many of the Middle Eastern occupiers were of Arab, Berber or some other Middle Eastern descent.
I've read elsewhere that the amount of sub-Saharan African ancestry in Italy is about 5% and that also includes southeastern Spain too.
It seems that even since ancient times Africa, was stereotyped as being a continent filled with blacks, and so the term “Moor” came to mean in the Middle Ages a person of “dark complexion,” if we consider the Latin etymology _mauri_ meaning “dark” the Moors ended up being stereotyped as “black Africans”.
Yes, sunlight does disinfect bacteria, much the same way you expose words and behavior to the light of day. You're doing a meaningful job. Continue.
UA-cam is flagging words???!!!! WTH????? God Bless you Danielle! God bless your heart and your amazing, curious, searching, thirsty for knowledge and learning brain!
Oh yes they have been after me. Thank you!
You need to make Polycentric comments, it's the Future of 1A.
@@nytn 🖖🏼👼🏼@nytn Alone A Again Naturally As The Song 🎵 🇧🇷 NINETY-FIVE_THESES of AFL CIO Botswana 💬 🟰 italian equated With With West African Negroes ❓️
🖖🏼➕️👼🏿♿️🥷🏿 It's Not The Bottom🫏 Stories Fault At all 💬
I love you channel and you keep it real! Don't let the hater try to bring you down. It is what it is colored I highly doubt any colored people are offended. Keep doing what you are doing.
I love you channel and you keep it real! Don't let the hater try to bring you down. It is what it is colored I highly doubt any colored people are offended. Keep doing what you are doing.
I'm Italian/Sicilian, 64 years old, and have rarely ever heard the term you mentioned. Guido, was one I laughed at the most, but my friend always told a "joke" with the two most common: "What sound does flat tires on an Italian car make? "Dago, wop, wop, wop, wop..." But, then again, I was a teen in the 1970's, when people rarely got offended. After all, nobody took offense at Archie Bunker, The Jefferson's, Sanford & Son, etc. I feel truly blessed that we didn't have computers, cell phones and social media
I knew it! I knew some one would bring up the dago , wop, wop racist joke. Potevi essere piu' serio, Angelo.
@@lucianomezzetta4332 I thought he made it up! That was 1979, lol
@angelo8424: Whatever the intent of their creators, all of those shows caused plenty of racial controversy whether it was rehashing old stereotypes or normalizing bad behavior. Personally, growing up back east, I had more than enough of real Archie Bunker types in real life. I never found a need to experience more on some comedy show.
Good times....Always felt I could say ,do ,or write anything I wanted then
My mother’s family-all southern Italian (Calabrese)-used to say on Italian helicopters the big blade said wop, wop, wop, and the little blade guinea, guinea, guinea. No one in the family took offense I suppose because as Italians they could say it. But they made their share of Polish, Irish and German jokes.
Politically Homeless!!! Yes, that is the feeling I feel too. I often say I'm an independent, but it never feels like a good fit. So many people like to put these "topics" aside vs facing, accepting, processing and moving forward...the pain of moving forward will pass if we can get past it. This isn't one of those nice feeling fixes, it's a rip off the bandaid and address it correctly/respectfully issue.
I truly think the binary political parties have created a situation where we see fellow countrymen and women as “enemies”. I hate it.
From what I understand, in order to rid ourselves of the two party system, several things need to happen.
🐈⬛ Get rid of $$$ in politics, including lobbyists and PAC's, which means overturning the Citizens United ruling giving corporations free speech rights. (This involves a number of steps because the SCOTUS make-up would need to change.)
🐈⬛ Get rid of the filibuster, at least in its present form, so that the people's business can be handled.
🐈⬛ Get informed. Know who the candidates are and exactly what they are. In races with a shark or genuinely corrupt candidate or mediocre ones, choose the lesser of weavils, or leave blank, or write-in...depending on what your state allows.
Note: that may not sit well, but we got here because a lot of us weren't paying attention over time. So, breathe deep, this will take determination, focus, and time to fix.
🐈⬛ Vote for "grassroots" or non-corporate funded candidates. A lot of these tend to be progressive, but there are ones, like Katie Porter in my state, who cut a more pragmatic centrist path.
🐈⬛ Don't forget local elections.
A) they actually affect us the most.
B) this is often where these politicians start.
Again, find out as much info as you can.
IMHO both parties think we're not paying attention, one becoming a vehicle for one figure/vocal minority, the other carrying on like this was the 90's or something.
Honestly, I don't know what to say for conservatives, who until 2016 had some variety and moderation in their party, as it seems that very few of their politicians have raised concern or objection over trump monopolizing the party to the determent of all the others running for office. Maybe vote candidate by candidate, if that's possible.... For my conservative friends and family, I'd love to see that whole mess booted and start over, but that's unrealistic. We'll see what's up in a few months.
The DNC isn't much better. Disclosure: I'm more of a lefty, Bernie type, so they don't really represent me, either. However, they are closer to center than the RNC is right now. But, they are also an unwieldy, "establishment" bureaucracy that has forgotten what their purpose was, to objectively support/help candidates get elected. So, what happens is that people who aren't necessarily Democrats still end up running under their banner because there are effectively only two parties.
If we chip away at this rock and keep our eye on the prize, we can get these changes made. However, it will take a majority and a mix of backgrounds/beliefs to make this happen. Good news is that we should be used to that, so let's get busy! 🍀✊
Ps. Sorry this went long. Hope it's helpful, and that I didn't miss something important. ✌️😎🌻
PPs. I credit Beau of the Fifth Column's channels/videos for helping me have the perspective and calm to be able deal with the craziness that is our politics during an election year. 🍀
They (Red & Blue) left us. They serve corporations and special, vested interests, not the voters. 😎 You're not alone.
Black Americans have never really had a say in which party to support. We are forced to support the party that will hurt us the least.
Yeah it’s another fake division like race that’s equally meaningless and only benefits lobbyists.
I'm a middle-aged Haitian-American man from Flatbush, Brooklyn and I have immense respect for your knowledge and passion for truth and history!
I'm currently reading a book called BORGARTA by Louis Ferrante and he discusses the similarities between Sicilian immigrants during the late 1800s with the African American people.
I strongly believe that this history is hidden from the masses for a reason.
Keep up the good work my sister. Beauty and intelligence make the complete woman.
It's not hidden from the masses, it's overlooked , maybe forgotten, but it's just in the US/Anglosphere that it's kinda "taboo" and for a simple reason I guess: the poor relatives syndrome. Once you climb the social ladder, you remove your poor parents to be assimilated into the successful circle. In the US social ierarchy has gone a lot thru racial boxes so once you earn social success/ "whiteness" you keep distant from your former friends and even relatives. Unless they have a 6 figures income.. It's not that racial boxes don't exist outside the US but as an African student in Europe I never found any "hidden" facts about Italians and especially Southern Italian migrants getting along with black people in US post slavery context and UK colonialism/ commonwealth context. As a reference, think of the Brit movie "Absolute beginners", it wasn't a huge success but got popular since David Bowie and other Brit musicians star in it - a London suburb being kinda little Italy was attacked by racists for the ongoing mixing , Italian migrants and black citizens from colonies marrying each other etcetera. I just think that in the US people pretend to ignore simple history facts because the heated political debate always needs propaganda and confusion to have gullible voters.
I was raised with my maternal grandparents. My grandfather immigrated from Sicily . He always considered himself to be of “ Moorish,” decent. My Grandmother was from Russia. I was adopted, arranged.
Who knows what my genetic roots are. Illegal in California for me too see my original birth certificate.
Imagine.
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Interesting. Sounds like a similar scenario from my comment.
My mother’s grandparents and parents all came from Corleone. They came through in New Orleans and had to make suits and dresses for 4 years before they were allowed to move to Chicago. I still have my great grandfathers tailoring scissors. They were not treated well at all
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Thanks for sharing. My late mother was a seamstress in Manhattan when she arrived in this country in the early 1960s.
However, she retired as a CPA by the early 2000s. She was blessed with that Caribbean work ethic.
Funny you mentioned Guinea. My family is Sicilian and we used to own a Produce store in a tough neighborhood in Brooklyn called Bushwick in the 60's and 70's and this American White girl was arguing over some change with my Dad and she called him a Guinea. I heard her say it to him and he came over to me and he asked me can you please tell me what that word means? He did not know how to react because he didn't know what it meant but kind of felt it was not a nice word. Of course I explained later on. I kind of felt he heard this word before. We were and still are proud Sicilians and no word can change that. I also believe any nationality that over reacts to these kind of words especially in these times are just showing their weakness as a people. That is just my opinion. Love your video on these kind of subjects. It is definitely a subject that should be discussed.
Subscribing to your channel. Keep up the work. Ivan Van Sertima, Runoko Rashidi, Jose Pimienta Bey, and Lucia Chiavola Birnbaum had great work on the history of Africa and its influence in Italy.
Interestingly, there is a community in Gloucester, Virginia where I grew up called Guinea and the people who have lived there have been traditionally called gunieamen. They have settled in the area since before the revolutionary war and have their own dialect which can be hard to understand. Mostly all fishermen and crabbers.
Interesting, I grew up in Gloucester Ma and there is a large population of Sicilian fisherman and we also were called Guinea's
@@nickvitale3803 hmmm. The plot thickens
@@nickvitale3803 probably spoken as a term of endearment.
@@nickvitale3803I’m Carlo Moceri’s son and I work with a few of those Guineaman as they call themselves on tugboats and found that funny as well. Are you Patancia’s Nick?
@@moceri55 I am that very one. How are you, I've not seem you since you were very young. My best to your parents and your Zizi Pat Watson
You are a breath of fresh air for seeking to talk about these things.
Thank you.
Thanks for not being afraid of talking about thing that really shouldn't be so controversial.
Appreciate your work sister! You seem like a genuine person. Hope you have a blessed day!
I appreciate that. Im learning in public, definitely making mistakes, but Im here for it
I know I love her❤🇿🇦💐
right back at ya!
@lungamadoda6992
UA-cam as well as other major social media platforms in general have PC fragility issues in my opinion when they decide to resort to censorship more often than not. Sorry that you had to deal with that.
As a Black man that went to High School in Bensonhurst late 80s early 90s with the Italian American of old and tensions running high between us. I send amor to my friends acquaintances and the not so nice. May tolerance and respect grow from our lived experiences the good the bad and ugly. I fully support this channel and am learning tons. Salud
thank you for being here! appreciate it so much
I'm Mike Gebrial. I'm Ethiopian Australian. I also identify as African Australian. I like watching your videos @@nytn. You're interesting. Our countries went to war but I got love for you. I have family friends that are half Italian and half Ethiopian. Peace
Interesting comment. Was this during the murder of Yusef Hawkins back in 1989? I remember seeing the protests and tensions in Bensonhurst during this time.
@@TheAtomC Yes it was
You survived the Yusuf Hawkins incident and the marches in the aftermath. I also remember the Gravesend incident earlier. I almost visited there but,the Hawkins murder ended that as well as Reverend Sharpton almost being killed. I watched Jungle Fever more than once in that era and no doubt it was a dangerous place for a Black male.
This channel is very educational and enlightening! You're unraveling much needed history that's been long neglected and ignored. I've always been fascinated with Italian/Italian American history that wasn't mired in tired "Mafia/organized crime tropes and stereotypes." Growing up in Baltimore, I've witnessed the intersection of Black and Italian communities whether is was in school, work, religion, sports and etc. These two communities share some social history. In one his many of his lectures, historian Dr. John Henrik Clarke spoke about this word 'Guinea' and how it was a used as a slur against Italian Americans because of what people's racist misconceptions that Italians had traces of "African blood." The U.S. caste system and colorism definitely played a major role in this confusion and ignorance. Keep up the good work. Thanks again!
Okay saying mired in tired about the mafia tropes was unnecessary man
@@assassin8636What's wrong with it?
@@assassin8636 unnecessary? Why so?
Seriously excellent reporting. Thank you. 🙏 Joe
I knew a man, descendant from northern Italians, who told me his father disowned his sister because she married a Sicilian…
I heard it was considered interracial at that time. My in laws are Genovese and Sicilian married in the 50s.
I would too 😂
@@augustojoseramonpinochetug5235that is tribalism, just as bad as racism😢
Why? Are they all Italians? They all look white to me!
This actually happened to Frank Sinatra's parents. His mother's Northern Italian family did not approve of Frank's Sicilian father. But they ended up getting married anyway and birthed the legend himself, Ol' Blue Eyes.
I LOVE THE WAY U DIGG FOR THE TRUTH KEEP IT UP
I continue to learn new things from this channel. Thank you for this video.
So nice of you!
Sidenote Danielle your hair!!! Love
ohh thank you! wash day hair. It will be 3x the height tomorrow :D
Bravo. Continue on this powerful journey.
Your hair is beautiful❤
Thank you for talking about something I never knew I needed to know. You handled this topic very kindly and bravely.
Thank you for this amazing content.
Agreed 👍 🤝
Well done as always. Hope you land the Spike interview.
Go big or go home 😆❤
I just love this conversation! If only we all could see our family histories as threads in a huge, beautiful, colorful tapestry.... The vivid colors of Earth and life, not skin . Actually, a tapestry of black and white and everything in between sounds interesting, too, but my first idea was really colorful. The point is, it would be woven with honor and love.... Or a patchwork quilt! Omg it's gonna be a sleepless night full of tapestries of humanity if i don't take something soon 😂
Thank you for this. My wife is from Milan, Italy, and I've been trying to explain this to her because she often doesn't know where this stuff comes from or how to interpret it.
Your contents are very informative. And positive Keep doing what you're doing.
Another stellar episode, Danielle. Thank-you. In my humble opinion, anything associated with “dark”, or “black,” or African is considered bad and inferior. So if southern Italians were considered “dark” then that’s connected to Africa and thus bad and inferior . Forget about the incredible achievements of the Roman Empire, or Italian culture, food, etc. Less I start rambling, you’ve produced another fascinating episode. Keep it up!
Yes a very touched on but never fully described as you have epithet, that was used mainly in the cities[Kansas and Missouri] i lived in for while. We had a teacher that was a great guy, with whom we learned all the racial epithets used between and for Blacks and Italians [ our teacher was just one like in the movie "The Wanderers" ] and we learned valuable lessons to why and whom and its meanings.
They used the word "G__", but with a qualifier as to work they did with calling a Italian a "Swamp G__" and so forth, as they hated being referred to anything "Black", as taught by/in their own homelands. The associations to Africa/African lineage, or "Black Sicilian" was considered a very bad thing to be, as like the Germans and other Europeans at the time...They were considered to be "tainted" if there were any other racial collective in their genes, especially African. Being called a "G__" Those were, among others "fighting words", and kept the tensions high between the Blacks, Italians, and Irish mainly. And it as usual was about jobs and employment and moving the stratified "hierarchy" that is America.
I observed much to people then, and many were friends but these schisms came about with stress to adults and jobs and they any and all weapons in the language to degrade the other.
As we Black people have been accused and made to acknowledge that we use the "N-word" to each other, they [Italians ]did use among themselves at time. I could say a lot more but your video is very good and i hope more people see it to learn other people do use language and terms and epithets to demean others based on words and references they may know little to nothing about. Much to Italians and others is based on pride...Whether painful...Or false, as no one likes to be the lowest "butt" of jokes and stereotypes, as it insults an entire people based on the worst and can and does...Affect your employment and personal, and mental life as well.
Certain words, and racial terms and where they came from, and what context they have today with learning about other various peoples will shed much more light as you go into what i call "research mode" and even some more "oral histories" from other Italians and those close to them.
Overall good video, though painful...As one must address all the nuances and other variables that lie underneath a people. The Italians, like most European immigrants have a more complex and underlying history and beliefs that even today you will have to delve more deeply into, and "weed out" what is pertinent...And what is not.
My best friend was a Italian, and we did much...But when it came to crossing certain subjects, he stuck to old "tropes" and from the old country, that what was taught to him..And never questioned, and was more worried to his parents and his "people" thought, than showing true freedoms, that many parents, and Italian immigrants said to leave behind and start anew in America, but always remember where you came from. Learn from mistakes and the worst, that made you need and want to emigrate to the United States to start anew.
Could say more, but you have done and educated people, and i hope you will expand your content to that which you are so passionate and researched about. A great video and with the explanations and terminology presented. One thing for certain is that a majority people hate with a passion the absolutely painful truths, instead how to move forward and fix it, when you bring it up... Peace
Guinea
region along the west coast of Africa, presumably from an African word (perhaps Tuareg aginaw "black people"). As a derogatory term for "an Italian" (1896) it is from Guinea Negro (1740s) "black person, person of mixed ancestry;" applied to Italians probably because of their dark complexions relative to northern Europeans, and after 1911 it was occasionally applied to Hispanics and Pacific Islanders as well. New Guinea was so named 1546 by Spanish explorer Inigo Ortiz de Retes in reference to the natives' dark skin and tightly curled hair. The Guinea hen (1570s) is a domestic fowl imported from there. Related: Guinean.
Not just Italians have darker skin complexion Portuguese and some southern Balkan countries have it too
@Balkanlegend890 like italians, Portuguese ppl range in phenotypes and skintones. Some are as white as Northern Europeans and some are as dark North African and arabs.
@@darrellpasion8925 true but not all Europeans look the same, some are white as snow witch is mostly north some are tan.
@Balkanlegend890 you just repeated what I said earlier, lol. and yes Northern European are more pale because of the geography not because they're more white. Scandinavia and other Northern European countries tend to be more cold with less sunlight that's why they have a whiter skin complexion. Southern Europe is hotter with alot of Sunshine ppl get darker in those regions because of it. Their still considered white European Caucasians. ( Mediterraneans)
@@darrellpasion8925 that’s what i meant to say, sorry i wasn’t being specific.
Love learning how certain words became used outside of their normal definition and became slang, eventually being used loosely and normalized through ignorance. Thank you for the history keep it coming NYTN.
People need to not be ignorant, learn and accept history and understand why the way things are and how to be better humans for it. Thank you for this!
People do realize that you know and unfortunately it's still going to happen for some
Thank you. Italian American from upstate NY. My Great grandfather arrived from Sicily in 1880's
After my grandfather died my grandmother had gathered some items from the basement to throwaway. Curious - I started looking through some of the boxs. I was shocked and dismayed to find an old black & white photograph from the 1920's of our hometown. It was a storefront with a sign that read. No Dog's or Wop's allowed. We need to know our history, good and bad.
You are a valueable voice. Hopefully, UA-cam recognizes that you are an educational leader of fundamental American culture.
Across all cultures, darker skinned people are and have been treated badly by lighter skinned people. I have no idea when or what made people decide dark skin was synonymous with bad
It was synonym with poor mainly. Read the Song of Songs or the myth of "blue blood" in aristocracy. Why the lady of the Songs justify herself for being "black"? Because she wants not to be judged for her humble work outdoor in front of her noble beloved. Why aristocracy had "blue blood"? Because their venes blue blood was just visible since they didn't have to work outside in the field and get tanned. Why light skinned Africans used to think of darker skinned Africans like people of lesser prestige? Why especially for women a light skin is beautiful in many places of India , and the rest of Asia? It goes with being precious graceful princesses spared from daily struggles and misery. Colourism rises from this kind of association and conflates with all other rather weird constructs that humankind always creates (race, tribalism and more)
Not true at all
I love it when you talk about Italian-American history.
What else do you love and what about her talking do you love
It's all spun and negative and exaggerated ,like that movie "do the right thing " you'd of thought Italians were the racists . More divide and conquer by Hollywood . Maybe , read a book about Lee Iaccoca
This is another sensitive topic that is usually only safe to discuss among close friends and family. That is why I feel a part of this channel; these topics are handled in such a responsible and educated fashion here.
That is so so meaningful to hear. Thank you
Thank you. First time viewer and I learned quite a bit. I hope you continue this kind of content until you are a household word. We really need to heal and talk to each other in this country.
Thank you for your insights and patience 🙏 you will have haters for your kindness and how much effort you put into your channel. Please keep pushing forward
Thanks for sharing your sensitivities related to ethnicity and some pejorative terms associated with the subject. You openness is enlightening to us all.
*My Mother was a southern “black Italian”.*
_She looked just like Lena Horne._
Yes. So?
Your point?
In Sicily you can find people like northern europeans (norman and german ancestry) and like maghrebi people. Totally NOT important, in my opinion.
Fun fact: Corleone, center of Mafia (generally related to "southern italy" in a derogative way) was founded by piedmontese and lombard colonists.
Your obsession to blacwash or whitewash is ridicolous, folks.
@@massimilianomencacci2510
Yes, so?
Your point?
Trying to be self important, got ya.
Have fun with that.
Your Mother was a beauty queen then. :)
@@SuperAnimelover100
Thank you.
When young, she really was strikingly beautiful!
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I believe you and all nice :)
Great video more people need to see this and learn italian / italian american history!!!
So basically, “guinea” is how Italians call each other the N word, without literally calling each the other the N word. It’s just a mild form of “anti-blackness”, although it originally targeted darker Italians. (Who, by the way, are usually the best looking Italians)
I don’t think it originated with us, I think it was reclaimed kind of like I hear Black folks call each other the N word
Guinea is an anglo slur for underdeveloped, savage, not civilised people - the reference is both to a mythical concept of "Africa" as far away weird savage place and the Guinea pigs , animals (=irrational, istinctive, rabid, not accountable etcetera ). So it's not Italian stuff, it's something into anglo/Northern culture (Brit people use it among themselves) that Italian Americans eventually adopted. It just mirrors US / anglo social ladder.
@@nytnDid the slur originate because of colorism or more so because of the african conquest of southern italy
Best looking because of "darker" features
Such a vindicating channel! Thanks!
This is some of the best conversation on YT... Don't let the "chuckleheads" run you off. I studied some history and a bit of Black History in college. The first video I watched was of the interview of the former enslaved gentleman. I had no idea of who NYTN was; but, the information stuck with me. Since then I have found out that I may be related to Thomas Jefferson by way of Sally Hemmings. I don't know if I really wanna know the rest... maybe one day.
I heard I was too! From a cousin on gedmatch. I gotta research it
Love your videos. Even though I am not a dark skin Sicilian my dad kind of was. My mom was lighter skinned. But yes growing up in BKLN and Queens border in NYC I heard that term guinea many times. Never really understood the meaning but I did know that it was a racial slur against Italians. But I am so proud of my heritage that I never let it bother me!
Yes, we are all united. One love. Good topic. Well done 👍.
Appreciate you. Keep doing what you are doing. No one wants to talk about these issues. The only way we get through them is having mature, real and objective discussions. I am black and one of my very best friends is Sicilian and we had this discussion long ago. Bottom line people are people, but we have to talk to each other.
That’s so wonderful to hear
I'm an African Hebrew Israelite.... AND....
growing up Italian-Americans were always very kind to me.
I think it's because quietly Italian-Americans know they have significant African ancestry in
their genetics. Or maybe it's the African soul express itself in their genetics.
Btw I've had an Italian-American woman hint to me that Italians have African-Ancestry
based on a fact that Italians have a high incidence of a genetic disease alpha thalassemia
which is a form of blood anemia similar but milder than sickle-cell anemia.
Both alpha thalassemia and especially sickle-cell anemia are genetic blood anemias that have
a very high incidence among West Africans. So the theory is that Africans at some point in history
migrated to Italy and other Mediterranean countries and mixed with the people there transferring these
genetic diseases off to them and that's why Italians have a significant incidence of these diseases.
Btw this Italian-American lady that told me this actually had "dirty blonde" hair and blue eyes.
In other words, she was an Italian-American who could pass off as "fully White" yet she was truthful
and un-shameful enough to tell me this fact.
We all have beta thalassemia. I did a video on it eta: my family
Yeah. The Sicilian lady that told me about it had a beta thalassemia too. Beta thalassemia is the mild form and very common in Sicilians, Southern Italians, and some other countries along the Mediterranean Sea (Greece, etc.).@
It's called , mainstream, "mediterranean anemia" so yes, it's an issue. Also, mediterranean people have brca issues like the Jews and more glaucoma vulnerability like black (and I mean really "black" people, Central and west African like me) . "Fun" fact, even if they have white porcelain skin . Dna is tricky, and we shouldn't conflate it with ethnicity / culture/ phenotypes. Sometimes things do coincide, more often they don't. I hope we will understand that race is just a bug of human mind and not an objective reality.
I have thalassemia it runs in my family too.
DEAR BELIEVER,
YOU CAN'T BE BOTH YOU ARE EITHER AN AFRICAN WERE THE WORD COMES FROM AFAR (A-F-R); AVAR (A-R-V); EPHRIAM (E-PH-R), EBER (E-B-R SLANDERED IN MISTRANSLATED AS BERBERS NOTE: GREEKS DID NOT GIVE THE NAME AFRICA (A-F-R) THAT IS AN ACADEMIC LIE); IBERIA (I-B-R; PER-SAXON/SPAIN CONQUEST AND ISLAM) EBER SON OF SALAH, SON OF ARPAFXAD (ARABS; PLEASE NOTE ISMAEL IS NOT THE FATHER OF THE ARABS THAT IS A LIE. HIS MOTHER WAS JAPHETHITE (COPTIC/SABATI) SO-CALLED EGYPTIANS OR SUMERIANS AS IT DEPENDS ON WHO'S TELLING THE LIE (WHO ARE REALLY MESOPOTAMIANS) WHO ARE IMMIGRANTS TO THE NILE.
PLEASE NOTE; THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BLACK JEW THE JEWS (UYGHRICS I.E., KAZRS OF UKRAINE CHANGED THE TORAH WITH THERE HANDS). JEWS ARE ONE OF FOUR CONVERTS THAT STAND OUT THE TRIBES OF BANI IRSAEL. THE TORAH IS OF TWO SCROLLS (DAVID-1 LEVITCUS AND SOLOMAN-2 DEUTERONOMY I.E., MEMBERS OF THE ROYAL HOUSE OR IMRAN (ASA) AMRAMIM) THAT IS THE ANCIENT BOOK OF THE SABAEANS (NAME OF OUR RELIGION) OF NUBIA.
SECONDLY, HEBER, SON OF ASHER LIVE BEYOND THE GEORGIAN MOUNTS; THE PEOPLE OF RUTH (R-U-TH) WHO SETTLE IN RUSSIA AND LIVE BETWEEN THE GERMANY TO THE WEST AND TURKS TO THE EAST. THE DAILECT TO WHICH IS SPOKEN IS UYGHRICS RUSSIAN OR EAST GERMANY WHICH ARE NOT DIALECTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST. THE GERMAN SPEAKING JEWS (YIDDISH) WHO CALL THEMSELVES ASHKENAZI (SH-K-N) (I.E., SASSONI (S-SS-N) OF PERSIA IRAN) HIJACK THEIR IDENTITY, AND THE SEPHARDICS OF IBERIAN SPAIN WHO ANCESTORS ARE FROM NORTH AFRICA .
THEREFORE YOU ARE OF THE EBERITES/BERBERS OF HISTORY WHO WERE TAUGHT THE TORAH BY THE BANI MOREAI (M-O-R/I; WHO ARE THE MAURITANIANS, MOROCCANS AND MOORES OF IBERIA SPAIN AND IRELAND) WHO WERE OF THE LEVITE CLAN OF BANI LEVI (L-V-I I.E., LIBYA (L-B-Y).
MAY FAMILY BY DNA ARE OF THREE TRIBES; EPHRAIM (EBER/AFARI OF PORTUGAL ON MY MOTHER SIDE); THE MANDIKA (BANI MENESSAH ON MY FATHERS SIDE); AND LIBYA (BANI LEVI BY WHICH WE INTERMARRIED).
IF YOU ARE OF THE AFRICAN DIASPORA THAT CAME FROM THE WEST COAST YOU ARE OF EITHER OF THE MANDINKA (MENSSAH), THE EBO (EPHRIAM) OR HASUA (BANTU, CONGO, CAMROON, NAMBIAIN I.E., BANU SANA'A OF ISRAEL). NOTE: THE TRUE JERU (AARON/PRIEST)-SALEM (SOLOMON/PROPHET) REALLY IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF MODERN DAY SOUTH AFRICA NOT IN PALENSTINE.
I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME YOUR IDENTITY OR WANT TO DISRESPECTFUL BUT WHEN BLACKS LIVING IN AMERICAN IDENTIFY AS HEBREW OR JEW IT'S VERY INSULTING TO US AFRICANS BECAUSE WE KNOW OUR HISTORY AND BECAUSE OF THIS WE WON'T EMBRACE YOU BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU'RE HOLDING TO THE LIE OF THE JEWS AND THE JEW IS OUR ENEMY.
I recommend that maybe you may have a splash screen with a warning that you do go over racial topics in an attempt to end racial issues in the us with a historical and philosophical analysis of the topic. That this is not for the close minded and the like. Add it to a bumper (15 seconds) and a musical sting noting when the warning is on screen). Just what I think may work but I am just an independent politically and a viewer - I am certain other history tubers maybe would have idea you can use as well.
very educational....keep up the good work..please explain WOP and Dago next
WOP is without papers Dago is a slur on the name Diego.
WOP= With Out Papers.
was thinking the same thing. thnx to the 2 ppl who just clarified this
@@khreanos"Dago" initially was a slur against Spaniards as assassins who used a "dagger."
I am not sure how this designation was transferred to include.those of Italuan extraction.
@@khreanos I have heard that explanation before, just wondering if there is another explanation....I also hard that dago's was also used for a manual worker that was picked up for a days work and then he would go
Keep the Noble work going...I consider you to be a Healer 😊
My Italian American friends would hate to know that they have anything in common with moullies
So True
Because they hate what they all KNOW they truly are. It stems from Italian Americans being very insecure in their whiteness.
They dont have anything in common with moullies not even sicilians, they are all Italian… only Americans would think such rubbish.
What are mollies? Why is it a bad association?
@@locqueenMD1it is black people
Is it UA-cam that’s flagging your videos or some troll? The information you’re putting out is very important, there are people out there who don’t want this information told.
We should teach people that being offended is a personal choice.
I just want to say that I HAVE LEARNED A LOT FROM YOUR CHANNEL. Keep on keepin on!!!
I have roots from Guinea Bissau
If you are neither left nor write politically try political agnosticism that's the term I use
I like that one!
Moderate?
@@BluEx22329 moderate what because you can have left or right moderates hence the term agnostic politically much like religious I am agnostic not atheist. And some believe agnostic is atheism. Which it is not.
As a black man, it is difficult to align with anyone claiming anything other than black. If I go to Italian American house they are inviting over the "others," and then I am right back to not just being black but feeling black. I don't want to feel my skin anymore.
"it is difficult to align with anyone claiming anything other than black" yet you think it's Someone else who sees You as an "other".
@NONANTI When I said "others" I was referring to Anglos. FYI, we are the only people in the US that came involuntarily. Others came here willingly.
how do you feel black? I'm light brown, have a long long history in this country going back to 1765 and traced great grandfather back to 1808. All along the way we have both mixed French, Spain and slaves. My mother basically passed as white as a result of the mixing above and she happened to marry my father whom was dark as night. My siblings are as mixed. Some born with blonde hair and blue eyes, while some are medium brown and another black as night.
@melissadenbo2461 I feel black because people say things to me because I'm black or about me beingg black or assume things. I am black and proud and love that but in Africa don't think I would need the color modifier to reflect the condition of my humanity. I DONT WANT TO SPEAK TO ANYONE ABOUT BLACKNESS, WHEN it's a waste of the time i can use to discuss being a man not juxtaposed to white society but merely ovjective inside my society, which hapens to be black.I can merely be a man as opposed to the connotations along with being a "black man."
@@sharaudramey9336Many Irish and Chinese didn’t come willingly either.
I nominate Danielle for smartest and most beautiful UA-camr on the planet!!! I love her passion and sincerity! Love this channel!!!
“Does Africa begin in Rome” is an interesting thought. I’ve heard that even in Spain, they often consider southern Spaniards as Africans. (Al-Andalus/ Andalusia)
I’m Italian; my Grandparents were from Naples. We were taught that Sicilians were mixed with African people, who crossed over into Sicily at some point in history. Therefore they are darker skinned. Not a big deal! Personally, I find them as beautiful as the Gypsies in Romania and Hungary, my other Heritage. Mixing blood makes more beautiful, exotic people. 🤗
I am Sicilian, and was married to a Romanian Gypsy for 36 yrs. The most beautiful woman I have ever known! My daughter, half Sicilian and Gypsy, has been mistaken for Spanish all her life!
How’s that for a twist?
Peace!!
The thing is when the British were running Egypt Italian work on the suez canal and they worked for a guinea which was not a lot.
I'm Italian and the government keeps calling me 'black' on traffic tickets
THANKS FOR TAKING IT UP!
My Dad grew up in St Louis. His Hood consisted of Scillians, Irish, African American, Jewish, and one Chinese. One Dad's Homies was Scillian, Irish and African-American. His name was Deigo Howard. You know what Homeboy got called by his Friends? Dagon Howard.
I've never met an African American before 😂 I'm just wondering how can anyone be from two continents is crazy. I know Elon Musk is but he was born in South Africa right ? So is he the African American that was your dad's friend?
Excellent topic, excellent presentation, fantastic comments. Thanks everybody!
Most nationalities want to assimilate with the dominant society here in America.
Peace Be Unto You! This discussion was another fantastic topic of discussion…kudos…from a New Yorker..
The Sicilians brought their brass band tradion to New Orleans (brass bands were growing in popularity after the Civil War). The fiddle and banjo tunes were transferred to piano (Ragtime) and to brass bands (Jazz). The Mediterranean was a crossroads for the ancient world. Southern Italy spoke Greek (still in a few places) until 1400 years ago, the dialects have many Greek words. Sicily was ruled by the Muslims for a few centuries, thus words of Arabic origin. Humans have always moved, mixed, and (hopefully) learned from each other.
Lies Black Americans brought Brass bands you people love to leave out what Black Americans have a created.
This tradition dates back to the mid-19th century, when a national craze for brass bands erupted in New Orleans. By century’s end, there were an estimated 10,000 active bands in the US, equaling roughly one band for every 6,300 people. These bands embraced the popular music of the period, including transcriptions of opera overtures, martial music, folk songs, and popular melodies. In New Orleans, both white and black brass bands existed and operated in similar spheres-playing a similar repertoire, wearing military-inspired uniforms, and adopting aspirational and inspiring names such as the Excelsior and Onward.
During the same period, benevolent societies and social aid and pleasure clubs boomed in popularity among the city’s African-American and Afro-Creole populations. These groups sponsored church, club, and funeral parades, providing work for the many black brass bands and creating a mutually beneficial patronage relationship that has nurtured brass band music, musicians, and parade culture through the decades. The gigs informed the repertoire, which combined sacred hymns with popular tunes according to occasion and audience.
From there, brass bands continued to incorporate the new sounds of the day into their music.
The introduction of jazz performance styles around 1900 forever changed the local brass band idiom. Bands such as the Original Tuxedo and the Superior, which operated as both orchestras for venue performances and as brass bands for marching gigs, began incorporating jazz elements. Though some musicians operated in only one sphere, many played parades and clubs, interweaving repertoire and style. In this way, jazz not only influenced brass band music, but was itself affected by the bands and their musical traditions-flourishing in and reacting to the performance spaces provided by black churches, benevolent societies, and social aid and pleasure clubs.
In the late 1970s, as popular music and culture evolved further, the Dirty Dozen redefined what a New Orleans brass band could be. This group updated its music to include bebop and funk elements. In doing so, they realigned the brass band repertoire with popular music of the period-just as the traditional bands had during their era of inception. Numerous popular bands have followed in the Dozen’s footsteps, including Rebirth, the Hot 8, and the Soul Rebels-all of whom use hip hop and contemporary popular music elements in constructing their sound and style while maintaining the tradition of playing club and funeral parades.
While some bands have pushed the brass band style and tradition in new directions, others, such as the Liberty, Young Tuxedo, and Olympia continue to embrace the traditional style in their performances. This intentional focus on maintaining traditions helps to preserve a cultural practice well over a century old. Together, the performance practices of traditional and contemporary-style bands represent an integral, living component of New Orleans’s musical heritage.
A version of this story originally appeared in the Historically Speaking column in the New Orleans Advocate. For more on New Orleans second lines, visit THNOC's exhibition Dancing in the Streets.
@. I did not make a "complete" statement, but just a historical quip. Thanks for your additional info. More needs to be said about the flowering of African-American culture and the interactions of various groups. Two foundational instruments: the fiddle (from Europe, originally from the Middle East) and the banjo (from Sub-Saharan Africa). The interaction of these two instruments caused the fiddle tunes played here to sound different from the same tunes played in the British Isles. The piano came from Europe, developed from an ancestor of the hammered dulcimer (found all over the ancient world, Africa, Asia, and Europe). Humans have used horns, reeds, sticks - anything they could get - for musical expression. Musicians: once they hear something, they can't unhear it. Thus ideas and inspiration spread. I've found that the more I know, the more I realize that I don't know much. Humans inspire each other.
@@AmoniC. brass bands were massively "imported" from Sicily , directly from US "invitation" -and Sicilians settled a lot in New Orleans. It's not to say they "invented" them but clearly they were pivotal into brass band developement influening and being influenced by black musicians who adopted the European instruments. Jazz is a meltin pot product . That is not to belittle black people central role in it. But honestly as an African I can confidently say that's not "African traditional music", the cultural admixture is blatant. I recognize instead more "home vibes" in the tonality of very first spirituals like Amazing grace , whose music was actually African Melody from slaves sad chant.
@@elleanna5869 Lies.. Please research history you all were contributors not creators or innovators of the brass band please knock it off.
By the way We are not talking about African we are talking about Black Americans who have built this country and implemented forms like the civil right forms for you to come here.
Black Americans/ indigenous People have created Jazz , Country, Rock n Roll , Disco and hip hop all by themselves. At the end the day go
learn your own history as a African.
Grazie per questo. Ho sempre avuto curiosità sull'eziologia della parola 'Guinea'. Tuttavia, sono stanco di tutto questo concetto di 'offensivo', 'inaccettabile' eccetera eccetera, per ciò che sono semplicemente... parole.
I’m of Italian origin (South Italian). In fact, although I’m born Italian-Brit, I have an Italian passport and I regularly visit family in Molise, Italy 1-3x per year. Here in the UK (I’m in Scotland), “Guinea” is rarely, if at all, heard. The usual colloquial/slang terms for Italians are “eye-tie”, “wop”, “dago”, “tally”.
Now, I personally (and I’ll be 65 this coming May) have never (or at least as far as I’m aware), ever been called anything (allegedly) derogatory, although I have occasionally heard those terms used.
The point is (and I refer back to my starting paragraph) that it’s the INTENT behind what’s being said and NOT the word itself that is or isn’t offensive. I don’t have a problem in being referred to as *any* of those terms, *including* “Guinea” as long as the *intent* behind the utterance is not malicious… and you can always tell through tone of voice, facial expression, inflection etc. If intended in a derogatory manner… then a fat lip may ensue. I don’t need legislation to protect me… I can stand up for myself.
You may find this interesting (and it may or may not be somehow related), the word “Guinea” also refers to an old monetary unit here in the UK, but long since disappeared due to decimalisation in the early 1970s. In the ‘old days’, a Guinea was the equivalent of £1 and 1 shilling… so, for example, 9 Guineas would equal £9 10/- (9 pounds and 9 shillings). Whether there’s a connection or not… who knows 🤷🏻♂️
It is said that the anglophone association for calling Italians "Guinea" comes from Italians being cheap work force poorly paid rather than some mythical African thing. Idk how much this fits race-obsessed US context, though
My great grandpa lived in Molise and went to college in Campobasso
"Guinea" was a slur commonly used in NYC. Spoken by people who had no idea there was a Guinea in Africa.
Can you pls talk about the African experience in Italy
They experience so much racism over there!
Thats a great topic, I will have to bring someone on for that !
oh shit. i've definitely used this term ironically describing myself lol
i'm a quarter sicilian and the rest is southern italian (with a sprinkle of northern). it was never used as a derogatory term towards me so i fortunately never felt the sting of hearing it that way.
are you friends with my brothers? LOL
@@nytn maybe 😂
My last ancestor migrated to Mississippi from Italy. Makes sense how he married a mulatto woman in 1850
Find out the meaning of "mulatto" where your ancestor is called that. It has had different meanings in history.
@@sr2291 my family was listed in census from 1850 to 1920 as Mulatto. We had every color in the rainbow in my family and to this day still do. Some born with blond hair, blue eyes and dark skin, while others as white or as black. from DNA we have a dominant ressive gene that shows up from our French/Spainard ancestors. The dark skin from our slave ancestor. Some of us can and do pass as white.
@@sr2291 What other meaning besides mixed race?
@@melissadenbo2461 I saw this at my family reunions we have them like the Olympic in different states. 1850 couple and some of the lineages went lighter less than 50% black for several generations. Others are darker but still mixed race. With My grandfather and his cousins you can clearly see the mix ancestry. Almost 90 with a big fluffy Afro which runs in the family.
Used to visit his grandmother on the reservation as she was part Indian. That’s 5 generations ago and that’s how quickly some genes disappear. Native American Shows up less 5% or 0 on ancestry tests
You look good......that's why I'm here!
Very interesting content too. Thought provoking.
Watching a discussion about people feeling like the biggest imaginable insult would be to be compared to or accused of being Black, is surreal as a Black person. I get it. Nobody wants to be misidentified. But when you said what does it mean about our culture, and then suggested it was complex - ok sure it is, but there are a fair few ideas that stand out - like our culture being anti-black. The G word is a slur because culture has decided that being black or black adjacent is the worst thing anyone could be. That says sad things about our culture.
During the times of the Romans it was an insult to be associated with the north savage barabarians. The Romans called them wild and rather associated with the south as the whites then were cavemanish and animalistic. The Romans tamed them and made them civilised . Eventually the Europeans banded together and destroyed the Roman empire.
@@Jstar697 while facts, like those you shared, exemplify that what I referred to has happened before in different iterations, your example is otherwise unrelated . Danielle has already interviewed two professors, who have already given very precise historical context on what I am discussing.
My contention is that the G word’s status as worst insult is as much related to misidentification as it is to who it misidentifies Italians as. We already understand the concept: it’s why Lola passed to keep her family safe. And plenty of people are still unsafe now for the same reason. It’s deeply embedded in our culture.
Ya you’re right as an American with Sicilian ancestry. That’s why it’s thrown around, because of the reality of the ancestry based off the history of the Moors and even prior to that the Punic Wars.
@@beltainechild but you have Italians in the midwest that name there business G - Grinders, so it cant be offensive to all, can it.
@@JohnDoe-mp1zk The context is this video. I think the majority of non-Italians don’t know the etymology. If so, G pigs would be called pocket capybaras and some of those establishments might think about rebranding maybe
Love your work. As a Sicilian-American on my mother's side from New Orleans (Alia to New Orleans in 1891), I became more self-aware of these connections in my late teens and early twenties. It's valuable that you are talking about this and other aspects of your combined heritage and how it relates to the majority populations and their power structure. Keep up the good work.
Colorism is a think in North Europe too. Its mostly based on hair color instead of skin tho. Its odd that humans do this to each other
It's a thing in Africa and Asia too.
In reality darker hair is more common in Northern Europe than the blonde stereotypes. In parts of Canada I've seen the darker haired ppl like me more accepted.
Coincidence? Just after watching your Louisiana video and commenting about my wife’s family history. My feed pointed me to your Guinea video. I being from New Jersey and of Sicilian and southern Italian descent was surprised how so many of us may be connect no matter what our family origins might be. As a proud Italian American I have never felt offended by the terms Guinea, WOP or Dago. It has always been interesting to me how these terms came about. I never knew the real history of Guinea. Someone once told me that it derived from a type of jacket that many Italian immigrants wore. Not sure if there is any truth to that, but the connection to Northern Africa makes much more sense. Thanks for your videos, they are interesting and reveal that we all part the same human experience. All the best.
The WASP aristocracy or gentry class loved employing the use of these terms for olive skinned or visibly southern Italians and Sicilians. It was a useful way to keep us a rung below them no matter how hard we worked at advancement here in the U.S. I’m saddened that too great a number of Italian Americans today forget their own family’s immigrant story only a generation or so removed. Some Italians are in denial that were were considered anything other than White all along and seem to think its cool to vote with extreme alt-right white nationalists. We need to change this. Thanks for continuing to educate the public on this!
In the African American community we have names for these type of people who are sellouts to there people and our people’s history and one of them sits on the Supreme Court. The are trying to be in the Aryan club much like the leader of the proud boys, what I find ironic is if he was livin in Germany in the 1920’s to an1940’s he would been in a concentration camp or Sterilize so he couldn’t intermingle with any white German women in produce any mixed race babies. The are plenty of Aryan wanna be’s from all ethnic groups, it is a demonic sickness that has never went away. What I find most offensive as an African American is the notion that the G term has its roots in a associated with African people so there fore the Hate barometer is raised. My people are the most hated across the globe and we have given so much to human kind. Keep telling the truth cause if The MAGA trump people win in November all hell will brake out a cross the world. I find it extremely distressing that I am actually living in a country where racist fascist have seized one of the 2 major political party’s and may just take power this year, it is a sickening thought and reality
The Irish had it much worse , and skin color didn’t have anything to do with it.
Agree. We're being gamed and if they continue to roll back social progress and normalize their agenda, eventually only they will be white again.
😁I like your thinking from what I hear so far.🎉
You seem to have sound reasoning.
I'm glad to see you strong enough in purpose to not be stopped.
You are serving a purpose and you said it all on this video Danielle Romero.
To Bring Us Together
To Stop and Think, "Should I be moved by these expressions I don't even know what it means?"
Remember this
If it's important
You must have obstacles.
They help to guide you towards your best.
People put up obstacles here for various reasons.
You hit nail on the head
Unfortunately I have to add
Many women and men are
Jealous
Arrogant
Holding ignorant Grudges
Have Hate in their hearts.
I have learned a lot from your taking the time to find out how things came about as much as you can. Thank you.
Some people, often women, may be harassing you Giving one reason to UA-cam but their defiled hearts don't like you because of your color or mixed race or some other reasoning which shows their base evolution.
Women, men whatever race etc leave Danielle alone now from your harassment. Think about Your AFTERLIFE being based on what you have been doing, are doing and will do in the future.
What does it mean: I think what it means is that antiblackness is so at the core of the American "soul" that it's considered a slur and high insult to be compared to a black person.
@nytn A very good resource for the derivation of guinea and other slurs (and there are a whole heap of them) is H.L. Mencken's massive multi-volumed Dictionary of the American Language published in the 1930s/40s. Supplement 1 is probably the best source. It has about five pages on the etymology of anti-Italian slurs (situated within many pages of slurs against various other ethnic groups in the USA). Mencken notes that sources using the term to describe Africans date back to 1823. He was not able to determine when it came to be applied to Italians. Many of the slurs he explores for Italians haven't been heard in decades or were regional in nature (e.g., slurs he identifies as being specifically Californian or Pennsylvanian, etc.). His is the best source for understanding these words. It is heavily notated. Tremendous research. As we move further away from this history, most people have no idea where any of these words came from and in their laziness, they make up derivations, such as the often heard comment that Wop meant "without papers" which is utter nonsense.
Let's be real. Italian people, especially from the Southern regions of Italy, do have African ancestry. Some people will say they have Moorish blood in them, but the Moors were black as well. Southern Italians, especially the Sicilians have Greek, Arab, Berber, possibly some Turkish blood as well in addition to African ancestry. BC I have met plenty of Italians who look like they could be light-skinned Black Americans. I'm not of Italian descent, but I have been confused for being Italian. Who remembers the movie "True Romance" and the scene where the late Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walken and Walken's character dropped knowledge about the history of Sicilians and how they there ancestors were "N******"? And the reason they have darker skin and dark eyes is because they have black ancestry. You notice how a lot of Italian Americans like to brag anout how easily they tan and how a lot of Italian women have a voluptuous bod. Yes, at one point in the US history, Southern Italians were considered a separate racial group from Northern Italians. Also Sicilians were heavily lynched in the US, especially in the Southern States. There was a famous lynching of 11 Italian Americans in NOLA in 1891. Racist whites considered Italians lower than blacks. They were the 2nd most lynched group of people in the USA, after FBA (Foundational Black Americans). The mistreatment of Italian Americans in the USA was so bad that the USA almost went to war to Italy and the USA had to apologize to Italy over the mistreatment of Italians in the USA. Italian Americans were also the original public housing tenants 60-100 years ago. It was considered undesirable by the WASP people. The only became "White" around the 1950s and 1960s because the white power structure needed to boost their population numbers. It's a shame today that a lot but not all Americans of Italian descent now adopt a WS mindset like the FL Gov. Ron DeSantis. I've experienced a lot of prejudice from Italians, which is very sad. And then you hear about all the racism at soccer matches in Italy towards black players. A lot of italians forget that day was considered lower than dirt at one time. Thank you Ms. Daniella for the great content you produce. This is real talk we as Americans need to talk about. Italians and Blacks are more alike than we care to admit.
Thank you. I will keep making videos until I’m not allowed to 😎
@@nytn Keep going madam. The only way racism and prejudice will ever dissipate in America as if we have discussions like this and take steps to rectify the situation.
Southern Italians may have some berber/semitic blood, but not black African, black Africans never conquered or occupied Europe, but of course this is probably from one of you "we wuz kangz" with an iq about 75.
Most Italians hate black Africans especially the northern ones, and i dont see the problem, maybe some of the south Italians in america have black blood but not in Italy.
As someone interested in genetics and genealogy I don't agree that Italians have SSA ancestry. Moors also were North Africans and not SSA. What makes Southern Italians distinctive is the different groups that came in during the Roman Empire and that is when a lot of East Mediterranean people came in. That is why Southern Italians today are similar to Ashkenazi Jews in where they cluster. They have more ancestry with Middle Eastern populations and not SSA populations. Also regarding lynching I don't know why people are pushing that it was race related. Italians lynched were due to mob violence and because they were thought to have committed a crime. The most famous one is in New Orleans when a group of 11 Italians were lynched because they were blamed for the murder of Sherriff Hennessy. This was not because of their race. Italians whether they were discriminated against or not where still legally white and did not have the same discrimination that Americans of African ancestry had. I'm neither Italian or American and don't understand the need to make what European populations went through the same as Africans. It is just not comparable. Africans had chattel slavery and far more legal discrimination than Italians ever did.
@@jackieblue1267 I agree that Moorish weren't Africans (they conquered Africans , as Europeans did: and were even harsher in slavery , it's funny that since they weren't properly "anglo-white" they are cherished as Africans and better than Euroepans when they were NOT and produced what's called by scholars a Black holocaust erasing black populations with castration in slavery). Yet I think that it's not a comparison of sufferings as a competition / chart , as much as proper history told as it is, race and social injustice are a nuanced issue and must be addressed with facts and context as this channel does (thank you Danielle!)
Thanks for going over this, because it explains a little bit, on one side. I'd never heard this term being leveled against Italians before, but the Chestnut Ridge People claim it was used as a slur against them. They did intermarriage with a lot of Italians when they started coming over here, so now I think I need to work out if it's because of the interconnection with Italians, or was something that was also leveled against them on its own.
In Philadelphia Italians were called Deigos and they called the Irish Guineas
The Irish were called a lot of things but guinea wasn't one
Maybe Guinness lol
Irish were called paddys or micks.
@@ruling528 not in Philly. I’ve hear that in movies but not in real life . They sound to endear. We’re to cut throat in Philly . The Italians and the Irish called each other the worst names possible. I think it have something to do with the Irish being indentured servants in the north and south and had to work side by side with black people . They even picked cotton
They never called Irish guineas, they were meshed in with the Anglo saxons.
An important conversation. Well done.
I appreciate you wanting to have conversations about delicate topics. People have become far too sensitive. I've been around people who used it as a joking and affectionate term. Everybody laughed, so i laughed too. I'm not Italian and do not use the term. Being an outsider, the context would be construed as hostile. Same rule as black people with the n-word. These types of words were commonplace in my grandparents' generation (I'm 61). I heard them used all the time - slurs for blacks, Italians, Hispanics, French, Germans, Irish, English, Asians, etc. I never cringe at these words, but I do pay attention to the context. Keep up the good work!
Most people I have known in my 78 years did NOT use a term like "wop" in an affectionate way. It is a slur, plain and simple.
I was born in Louisiana and I moved to New Hampshire in the 70's where I first heard the term Guinea, I do remember it being used as an insult but I just figured it as a New England thing and ignored it. I lived in New Orleans when young since my Dad was a Tulane student and there were times when I heard Guinea used in the French Market. My grandmother would take me shopping there and I do remember her getting indignant at a vendor who called another customer that word but it did not cause a gun fight or fist fight like it may have in this day. I really wish we could all get along because as you say, "we are all in this together" thanks for bringing this and many other very important thoughts to this old man.
Interesting material. Australia has a rich history of prejudice against Southern Europeans, though today the Anglo Australians now focus their prejudices on newer migrant groups from Asia, the Subcontinent and the Middle East. An interesting side note is after WW2, Australia had been so traumatised by the thought of nearly being invaded by Japan, that the Politicians decided to allow more Southern Europeans into the country as a way to build up the population size. The rational was populate or perish. That is, Australia needed a larger population to defend against an Asian invasion. Australia has become so Multi Ethnic today, that this is forgotten history.
I would love to dive into some of that history, I am sure it mirrors Americas in many ways.
You didn’t mention the native population and that’s troubling
@@myronsmith2114No offence intended, I was commenting in relation to the Video context, ie about Italians, etc. The aboriginal situation in Australia is by far the worst discrimination in Australia's history, no doubt about it. In many ways it was a genocide of a people, and unfortunately most Australians still don't care. The recent referendum to allow more Aboriginal representation on how they deal with the Government and the fact that it was rejected demonstrates this.
@@elliskaranikolaou2550 Thank you for that clarification. Native Americans (which I am part) suffered the same atrocities
So well articulated. Important topics of discussions should be delved into & not shied away from or swept under the rug. And she’s gorgeous too! Wishing all a blessed weekend! ✌🏻
The truth is, there are people to blame for where we are now. We didn’t ask to be labeled as less than or other. It was a conscientious decision made in order to promote the supremacy of the smallest group of people on earth. Since we are all OUT of Africa, how did that continent become the worse place to be associated with? I pay no attention to those people’s opinions about me or my people. I’m no longer hurt, confused, or dismayed because I finally understand that what they think has no real power. One day, very soon I hope, justice will be served for what they have done to God’s creation.
I have learned so much this week! Thank you for being here
I agree
Yup my grandparents and father were from Southern Italy, Naples area, neapolitan, and they were in the NY/NJ and yes were told to make the kids stop speaking Italian at home by the schools in the 1940's, my Dad was mad about that later in life, could have been bi-lingual. Also his middle name was Mondea and he always hated it because I think that generation was really sometimes trying to hard to Americanize themselves. I think its a beautiful name. Also, called ginny etc. greazy ginny wap... things like that. My grandmother was very offended by the term. However, thank God we never lost our heritage and whenever go back to Italian reminds me so much they actually did take with them and I grew up Italian and soooo Proud to be Italian and love it. Love everything about the italian culture. Great channel, just found it.
welcome! :)
I grew up in suburban Philadelphia, and had a lot of Italian friends. Italian guys always used that term (and two other words) towards each other, especially the very "White" appearing ones. However, I never heard any of them identify as "White". They were just "Italian". Years later, I became friends with a guy who was lighter-skinned than me, but the same complexion as my dad. When I asked if he was Black or "Puerto Rican" (yes, some Puerto Ricans are Black), he told me that he was Sicilian. He also said his father was born in Sicily and was my complexion. I had no idea until I learned his last name. He definitely didn't look "White".
Thanks for teaching us Ms…💪🏿
Carthaginian lineage of mine and the word Guinea go hand and hand…as a great grandson of Guiseppe Preziosi was nicknamed `Il-Tripolino` or the Tripolitan. Italy was also North Africa for a time.