TPS AB Comparisons - Friedman BE-OD & JHS Angry Charlie v3
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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TPS AB Comparisons are short videos that compare two pedals side by side. We play two guitars through two amps to give you an idea of how the pedals sound in a couple of different scenarios. That’s it - nothing complicated and minimal talking!
Pedals In This Episode…
• Friedman BE-OD
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• JHS Angry Charlie v3
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Amps & guitars in this episode
• Dan is playing a Gibson Custom 1958 Les Paul Standard - bit.ly/2dbwbvS - through a Victory Sheriff 44 and Victory V212VH cabinet
• Mick is playing a Fender American Vintage Stratocaster - bit.ly/2cQv3yT --through a Mesa Lone Star and 1x12 Celestion G12H-75 Creamback speaker
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What? You guys aren't going to waffle for 40 minutes? That is why I watch these.
lol:)
Right on!
Love it! And I love the short videos during the week to hold me over till Friday :)
I have the angry Charlie v2 that was a gift. Every time I let someone play through it, a huge smile comes across their face
They both sounded really good, but I preferred the angry charlie personally. The BE-OD sounded a bit fizzier to me (may just had more gain now that I think about it). Both definitely good but for different applications. The AC felt more "Marshall" to me. The BE-OD sounded more modern to me.
Hit the nail on the head mate. Would love both these on my board. Angry Charlie for my crunch and Friedman for my high gain. Then have a ts9 to boost what ever I'm doing in solos for colour.
@@dalemerritt1751 just ordered a LY-Rock Sweet Tea clone(99€s!): 2 pedals: Jhs Moonshine( kinda tubescreamer on steroids) and Jhs Angry Charlie V3... cant simply afford the JHS Sweet Tea: 440€s!!😎😎
@@kimmolingonheimo How was your Sweet tea clone? Coz im planning to buy that type of clone
Perfect to watch whilst having a poo, or as it's now known, an "angry charlie".
benbutterworth lol best comment right there!!!!
Yes, that's the brown sound, alright...
No but we are waiting.
BE = Brown Eye. The BE-100 amplifier also has a higher gain mode called HBE.
HBE = Hairy Brown Eye
Then there is the PT20 amplifier
PT = Pink Taco
Dave Friedman is a grub.
Dude holy shit (pun intended) i just saw your comment after taking a poo man hahahaha
My two cents- I own both the BE-OD and the Angry Charlie- the BE-OD takes you to '80's hair band territory right away- a commenter below mentioned "it sounded like Motley Crue"- totally agree with that- and that's sort of it's problem- it only takes you there. I own 3 Friedman amps and they all clean up BEAUTIFULLY with just the volume on the guitar into plexi territory- but the BE-OD doesn't clean up at all. Even with the trim pot turned down- it's still far more gain saturated then the AC. I like the AC better for it's mid bump (especially live- way more prominent and cuts through the mix) and a funny thing is the AC sounds crazy good in the clean channel of my Friedman Runt 50! Kind of like Andy Timmons does with his Lone Star- I tried it with my Runt and it's amazing! Now I need to try it with my Lone Star- that amp has been getting no love lately with the Friedman's in the house. AT has inspired e to try it again with the AC.
with inflation this comment is now worth a dollar
I was surprised that the two pedals sounded nothing like each other. I was expecting there to be more similarities. It´s good to know that.
Love the short format videos! A great way to keep up with you guys between your feature length ones. As far as the comparison itself, I literally just went through this dilemma. I went angry Charlie solely for the midrange control and how it sounded with p90s. Absolutely savage. Though it's not quite as tasty with my teles, it gets a bit fizzier.
never thought I'd say this but I prefer the AC over the BE OD.
The Friedman takes it for me.
The thing you guys have been doing so far, which is comparing similar, yet different pedals is the only proper way to demo them and this format is just a brilliant extension of the idea.
People tend to forget that with their gear those pedals may sound very different (like buffers in tuners or loopers or different pickups impedance may completely alter the tone). It's the changes that specific units introduce are what will become apparent and stay consistent.
In short, not the setup but the differences are what really matters.
Keeping it short and to the point is an excellent idea and your execution is flawless!
+szpfryderyk That's very kind, thank you! We appreciate all the feedback and we're just glad that you find it useful. Thanks for watching!
This is a great new format. 2 pedals, 5 min videos, I usually dont have 40min of spare time, althou i could watch your show the whole day!
Love the bass response of the BE OD. Many gain pedals lack this. The Angry Charlie sounded great, but I lean toward the Friedman pedal because it seemed to have a little more gain capability and heavier bottom end.
Thanks guys! I'm assuming this means more frequent videos? Don't let all the love for this shorter A/B format discourage you from your typical longer videos. I think there are two types of people when it comes to researching gear: 1) the "tell me which one to buy" guys, and 2) the "teach me everything you know because I thirst for knowledge..." guys. I am so much the latter. I get so many little wonderful pearls out of your videos, typically when you're taken off onto a tangent. Your extensive experience is clearly evident and I want to benefit from as much of it as I can. However the "type 1" gear buyer is just trying to skip through all that "boring" stuff to get the "answer" so these A/B videos should be a breath of fresh air to them. I'm excited just to get videos twice as often!
As for the pedals, the AC is going to be one of my next two purchases. I was excited to hear the BE-OD, but it seems to lay a treble fizz on top of everything. Not a bad sound, but I prefer the charlie.
Thanks guys!
The Friedman BE-OD DELUXE for me
I have an angry Charlie on my board. It gets as raunchy as you want, but I leave it engaged and roll back the volume. It gets a beautiful clean sound out of it too.
Mids knob is very important. I was disappointed when I realised the friedman didnt have one, and I think its the sole reason the Angry Charlie is better to me.
You guys nailed it when you said that the Angry Charlie won in the mids, and the Friedman won on the bottom end. They both sounded fantastic, but a little too high gain for my playing style. But very cool none-the-less. Great demo.
Very cool addition the TPS video series. Keep these up! I like the short, sweet, AB comparison. Helps a lot!
Great concept for your show! Quick and straight ahead with no waffling on plus the sum up and critiques- I love it. Keep the a/b comparisons coming. Thanks!
+jalapainyo Yep, there'll be at least one a week from here on.... cheers!
The character of that Angry Charlie made me look up every time you switched to it.
Excellent playing gents.
You guys are crazy, The BE-OD has WAY more stuff you change your sound that they didn't even get into, and all that gain! wow!
I like to hear you playing to make a comparison, but I also want to hear what you have to say about the pedals. It's the insight picked up from comments made during the conversation about the pedals that help with the understanding of why things sound the way they do and how they affect the sound that I like to watch the channel for. More of a balance between chat and playing would suit me more. Not complaining as always like to watch the show, just was expecting more information about these two pedals. I have the previous version of the Angry Charlie and I'm thinking of upgrading to the new version so I was looking forward to hearing what you had to say about these two pedals.
+sdy30 A couple of other people have said this too. Maybe a little bit more taking would be okay. They have to stay short though, and at some point you guys just have to go with what your ears tell you. Thanks for the feedback!
i have nothing to do with my life, make an hour long video. 4 minutes of mick and dan just wont do
I've got the Friedman pedal and it sounds amazing. It's just so satisfying to play. Although having heard the Angry Charlie as well I quite like the sound of that too.
You guys.... I literally was just thinking of this comparison, checked my Subscriptions list and BOOM. Great minds. Love this show! Keep rocking!
Fantastic. I hope the Charlie isn't lost in the "boutique fog" ... it is such a great pedal
Love the regular format shows, guys, but also absolutely love these shorter format A/B comparisons. Do more...of both....please!!!
I managed to snag the Friedman not long ago and love it. Definitely worth tweaking the trim-pot thats inside to fine tune the pedal to your needs. Can get some really great low gain sounds if you turn it down a touch.
Good Point! I turned the internal trim pot back when I got my BE-OD. Way too much gain (for me) in it's shipped position.
Great video! I echo your thoughts, the Angry Charlie had the more pronounced Mids, whereas the Friedman sounded more 80s metal.
I bet the Friedman is a ton of fun to play on it's own, but for live use in a full mix i'd pick the Charlie
Got the BE-OD, and it will replace my JHS AT. I think that I prefer the modern sound of the Friedman. It has some presence and clearer sound, and like Dan said, the bottom end punch is great. Both are great pedals anyway :)
Agree with what Dan said tonally speaking about the quad box (Friedman) vs midrange voicing (Charlie) Personally preferred both pedals through the more compressed Victory Amp with the Les Paul for a killer Rock sound. Sorry to ask again guys, but itching to hear Angry Charlie vs MI Audio Super Crunch Box. 🎸🇺🇸 vs 🇦🇺
Friedman is phat & fizzy (heard thru computer speakers of course) - great hard/heavy rock rhythm sound.
The JHS Charlie - has a smokey smooth mid-booster grit - great for smooth lead tones
You have got that right big time!!!
I've had the Angry Charlie on my board for just over a month (thanks to That Pedal Show for making me spend money lol) and I won't be parting with it anytime soon. Pairs well with my JCM800 combo through the clean setting - good times :)
I have the same setup, sold my AC but looking to buyback another
Love it. Keep up the short vids to tie us over until Friday!
I preferred the Friedman each time but they are both nice tones. The AC is aptly named. It's a more raw "angry" tone. I prefer the smoother tone of the BE-OD. Preferred both pedals through the Sheriff. That Tight control on the BE-OD is stellar.
I think I like the Friedman a little more because of that bottom end. It sounds very lush and thick and I love it.
Friedman chugging so sweet for riffs and the Angry mids have a nice lead tone to cut through for solos.
JHS through the Sheriff for me. Classic rock heaven
Love the idea for these short midweek videos, guys! The normal show is like opening presents under the tree on Christmas morning while this is like digging in your stocking above the fireplace. What would Christmas be without a stocking full of little gifts?? Great job as always!
I love these short video additions you've been adding to the channel. Keep 'em coming. And I don't mind all the talking, it's part of the reason I keep watching.
Friedman sounds incredible! Just ordered one and can't wait to play with it!
Best distortion pedal I’ve had hands down. There’s a “secret knob” in the back to dial more or less gain btw
Agree... Also mine
Pedal x is clearly better than better y, but how could you not feature pedal z? What's wrong with you guys? I'm going to go angrily fight with someone in the comments about it. ;p
I really like this new format. I'm just hoping that these are IN ADDITION to your regular Friday videos. I look forward to checking UA-cam every Friday morning. They are a great way to end the week and kick off the weekend.
+M DA Thank you M DA. Yep, definitely in addition to Fridays. Cheers!
Great vid guys. I don't always have time for a full length video so a tasty little bite like this is perfect. 👍🏻
love your guy's show. I watch that pedal show religiously. I've learned so much from it. thank you guys for making it
I couldn't get on with my Friedman until I started futzing with the trim pot. I'm now digging it much more with the gain on the pot turned lower. Great sound (with my set-up anyway). Thanks as always for the videos, guys.
+Bruce Johnson cheers Bruce, you're welcome
I have both of the video, in fact, I collect several boutique pedals (wampler pinnacle, Wampler plexi drive, EVH 5150, ampteawer tight metal, boggie thottrle box , heavy empress, Triple Wreck etc). By far, Friedman is better along with heavy empress. I don't have diesel, so I can't talk. About Friedman: It has more punch, a natural shine and like a tube amp, without being aggressive, it mirrors the evolution of a marshall. It is perfect to play, there is not much to regulate. Who likes medium and high-gain marshall style, I don't know any better.
Angry Charlie, Sorry I'm a Mid's junkie!!!!!!!!!
Love the new short movies! Keep 'em coming!
As someone who plays more van Halen and classic rock I think I like the sound of the angry Charlie more from this video. Like you mentioned, the mid range it has lends itself more to that type of music.
Both sound great. I bought the Friedman and it's the best pecks on my board.
****Pedal not pecks haha
+The Gospel of Mark Pecks worked. We thought that's what the kids are saying now. ;0)
I picked up the BE-OD a few months ago and love it. I have absolutely no ambition to buy anything JHS. I'll probably get some Keeley pedals instead.
got the dirty shirley and now i want the BE-OD too :)
This is a great comp between two great pedals. The BE is clearly not able to be dialed as well as the JHS. The lack of a mid tone control in the Friedman is the elephant here.
Terrific stuff as usual guys :)
I just wish you would have thrown the JHS AT pedal into the mix though...That AT pedal is quite possibly the "best" OD/Distortion pedal I have heard in the last 10+ years.
But man oh man, does that Friedman pedal sound insanely great as well.
cheers!
To true!!!!
But if you had the Alek K production's Red Scorpion...You might change your mind.
I have all 3 pedals and love them all. BUT the Scorpion edges them both out.
I have them both and they are very different. I think the AC is a little more versatile but it's so different that I keep both on my board.
Angry Charlie and Strat, but Les Paul and BEOD for chunk. There was real hint of MT2 in the BeOD.
Andrew Gordon exactly my thoughts
I liked the angry Charlie better, but I tend to like a little more mids generally.
Like both pedals. Liked the AC just a hair more I think, mainly due to the gain range and the midrange thickness.
I own both, and the Friedman has a tighter more focused Marshall 4x12 thump. The Angry Charley is more open, loose sounding. Mick's not comfortable with either one.
Used my AC V3 on my board tonight and it kills for articulate solo tones!!!
I like the shorter format for comparisons like this.
Hey guys love this comparison video format! Well done and keep em coming!
Love the mids of the Charlie for sure! I have tried the Friedman as well and it's got that modern "anger" if you will as well, of course it has its internal switches to further adjust the tone too. Plus, stacking, eq pedals, amp we will change all of that as well. Both great quality, heavy distortion pedals for sure!
The Friedman Be-OD came top of a poll we ran for a month on Pedalboards Of Doom, the poll was best new pedal of 2016!!! Hell of a thing
+Pedalboards of Doom Hello POD people! It is indeed a glorious gainer!
HI GUYS for me the BE-OD is more motley crue and the AC is more AC/DC.
I would agree
Well said.
Wow - that really makes sense to me. I Totally Agree, One is very AD/DC and the other is more Motley Crue.
2 Very Different Pedals. I prefer the Angry Charlie ( better individual string definition -) to my ears.
Just ordered the Friedman two hours before watching this. I may have to try both--keep up the great reviews. I love both formats.
Need to do more of these A/B short videos again. It is after all that PEDAL show
Strat + AngryCharlie FTW ( I still like the longer videos )
The Greer Little Samson is another great option for people looking for that Marshall crunch/high(ish) gain tone in a pedal. In my opinion, even though it's not as tweakable as the Angry Charlie, BE-OD, or the Andy Timmons, it's a bit more consistent and adaptable across all guitar/amp combinations.
The good ol' Charlie keeps showing up again and again...I do remember when it was compared to the original Marshall Gov'nor. and it ended with a virtual tie with Charlie.
Now let me get to the point. The JHS Morning Glory 'IS' a virtual clone of the Guv...how did you miss it? Bring it on the show...we are sweating it out to here your opinions on it.
Angry Charlie is more vintage and the Friedman is more a modern sound. I like the JHS more.
Charlie brown is more...brown. BE OD more modern sounding biting cutting. Both damn great.
If I could choose only one it would be the Angry C.
To me, this test illustrates two points:
1. Running your amps totally clean for the purpose of "hearing the pedal" actually only lets you "hear the pedal sounding like dogshit"
2. If you can, get your base tone from the amp alone. (Many people need more flexibility than this approach allows, myself included).
Amazing comparison. Would love to see more of these!
+Ken Chong Yep, we have more in the can and we'll be shooting and releasing regularly. To begin with, one a week so it will built into a library over time. Cheers!
That's great to hear! :) Thanks guys!
Great fun gents! But, I've learned enough from you both to know, unless I [too] had a custom shop Strat and '58RI to go with my croc-skinned Lonestar or Victory amp-- the comparison is moot with respect to my rig. But if I did...I'll take the "Charlie Brown" pedal. Thanks for the mid-week post!
The Friedman sounds great but it’s too “metally” for me. I like the much more classic rock sound of the Charlie by far but if I were a metal-head, that Friedman would take the cake. I don’t think it was fair fight as they both do completely different things.
Jorgie WTF the Friedman BE OD has an internal gain knob, which you can decrease or increase the overall gain with a flat screwdriver. I turned mine all the way down and that changes the game. This pedal can vary from a sweet, subtle
overdrive for classic rock to a screaming, pandora box of metal.
Charlie has more of a "larger grain" than the Friedman, which although has tighter and more articulated bottom end (as mentioned) has a nasty fizzy thing I don't like at all. In my opinion, Charlie is more versatile.
Fantastic video! More comparisons would be amazing.
I think the Friedman may replace my Wampler Sovereign as my go to gain sound!
+Pete Hawthorne Lots more on the way Pete. We'll try to respond to requests where we can (and enough people ask). Cheers!
Keep up the GREAT work guys!
Pete Hawthorne I also have a wampler sovereign that I absolutely love. But I agree the Friedman takes the cake
On the BE OD, lower the trim pot to taste, keep the gain 9ish, use the tight knob past noon and run it at 18v, you can do all kinds of things.
Meh, if you guys ever have the chance,
try the original big black box Carl Martin Plexitone.
I've yet to find a more satisfying MIAB pedal.
BE-OD for the win.
You want more mids?Turn them up on your amp!
I’ve owned both these pedals and they sound better than the other depending on the amp/ pickup combo. It’s all about EQ. The standard BE OD lacks mids so it works well with something like the Dimarzio Tone zone which is all Bass and Mids. Whereas the Angry Charlie works better with scooped pickups or amp settings. The only other difference is that the AC is less compressed which can be good and bad. You would definitely need a pedal to clip the AC for a tight metal sound.
wow love the short video.
u fellers should make shorts of these
Friedman BE-OD i got one and its so goood =))) man i can do djent i can go Allan Hodsworth soulless type of drive (actual way for me to use it) or i can do Guthrie Govan type of solo tone =))) best hi-gain in my ears
Also mine . versality sounded
Love the new video format guys! I have both pedals in this video but I use the JHS way more. Worth noting the Friedman has about double the available gain as the JHS. I have the Friedman on my mini pedalboard and the JHS on my main board. Future episode idea: BD-2 Waza vs. Keeley modded BD-2!
AC sounded warmer, classic Marshall. Reminds me more of a modded plexi TBH. The Friedman sounded more cutting, good highs and lows. A little more complex in the overtones and more 80s hair metal to my ears. Tone is subjective and these are just the sounds on the video I heard. AC for slash, Friedman for Def leppard for me
Love the AB, and have been wondering when you folks would play with the BE-OD. Thanks for the extra fix!
Haven't had the Angry Charlie on my board, own the Friedman, I'm biased but this video didn't make me regret my decision. I'm more of a mild/low gain guy, but the BE-OD is a ton of fun and a great option for the board even if you're a mild gain person.
Great video! A video that would rock would be to show us how to build and choose pedals and DI's for acoustic guitar.
Hmmm I used to own the Friedman BE OD but sold it , the actual amp is much better not as noisy as the pedal
For me the Angry Charlie v2 is the best one I don't dig the v 3 harder to get the sweet spot
MHO
Running both of those through a TC Sentry loop would have really tightened things up for both. Very noisy, but good. I did like the JHS a bit more.
Geeez, the Angry Charlie on the Les Paul sounds amazing.
I guess the higher low end on the LP plus the low end boost on the Friedman doesn't bring out the same crisp tone that Charlie brings by boosting the mids on LP. Amazing tone.
The Strat was just outclassed here. Also, would have been good to hear it on the Neck pickup as well...
Very difficult to say which I preferred. As you've mentioned, they're both very different. Been a fan of the Angry Charlie for a while now. Although hearing the Friedman only recently, I definitely would like to try it out. By the way, thank you for the midweek show guys. Looking forward to Friday. Cheers.
......just more of these, using both of those VERY TASTY ears you both have, for even tones not in your normal genres,....GOOD JOB !
I Love short video's!! And personally I don't really love the midrange in the angry charlie everybody loves so much. Guess it is really a taste-thing.
These pedals would really rock in parallel haha!!
The Friedman sounds a little scooped and it doesn't have a Mids knob. That makes the JHS a clear winner in my book...
Yes but what they didn't show you on the video is the BE-OD sustains forever and you can get a note to lift off to an octave higher even at very low volumes. Yes most pedals will do that at higher volumes if you lean into your speaker,,but not at low volumes. I have them both. For solos the Friedman is the winner for anything else the JHS is better..it quite simply has a better tone them most pedals. I can not imagine not having old Charlie. it is just a mater of time before we get another pedal doing the Friedman thing.
Regardless of guitar or amp, I'd take Angry Charlie for Lead, and BEOD for Rhythm. Accentuated mid-range of the AC helps it to stand out even with the mids dialed back, but the tight control on the BEOD can really help open up that thick rhythm playing character.
I need an Angry Charlie in my life man
I like the Friedman in this comparison. I like that it doesn't cut out the low end. very useful when slamming the dirty front end of my lonestar(s) stereo rig).
I should say that I own the Friedman, and not the JHS.
Two great pedals. It depends on what style of music you like.most pedals with a presence knob can get me a bit buzzy. The BE-OD reminds me of the EQD-Talons pedal. I prefer the AC . Both pedals are very good, this was a great comparison.
This short episode was great, guys. More of these!
This is great guys, keep it up with these mid-week uploads! I'd love to see a comparison between the JHS Morning Glory and the Wampler Euphoria.