I really want to like the Jar-5, but man, that handling. With the CS, while on paper it's less damage for the same amount of rounds and no stagger, it still feels more effective for me (on M+K) because I'm not constantly missing. Compared to the Jar-5 , the CS's snappy handling and high velocity rounds makes it way easier to actually land hits (especially on moving targets) and pop devastator faces, so in terms of actually getting effective damage per mag, I feel like the CS wins out even though the Jar-5 is better on paper. Plus I think I read in recent patch notes somewhere that the automatons do lose accuracy upon taking any hit, non-staggering rounds included, and I've definitely noticed that lately. With the CS, when shooting at the shield devastators, even the shorter "flinch" animation (vs the longer "stagger" animation) still throws their shots off target, so stagger doesn't feel quite as important as it used to be for the automatons.
I think it is patch dependant. In the past, I ran the Jar-5 because it is a Beserker wrecker. Just aim for the waist and you can 2 tap them, with better ammo economy than the DCS. However, I have not seen multiple Beserker trains for a while now and I agree with you that the DCS is better. On the Bug front, the Jar-5 takes care of spewers, Hive Guards, Commanders, and importantly, Stalkers. You can kill multiple Stalkers with 1 mag, and because of the Stagger, they don't get to touch you. The weakness of the Jar-5 on Bugs is Hunter packs, of which there are a ton of these days. Because of the abundance of Spewers and Hunters these days, I run a Crossbow/Stalwart/Thermite loadout.
Its not even the weapon's handling for me, its the slow projectile velocity. By the time the bullet reaches the target's position, the target has already moved.
The Dagger kinda makes the Scythe pointless. Sure, it has 100 less dmg/second, but the DOT burn dmg is the same, same penetration. Against most targets, you will barely notice a difference. Scythe needs a boost to like 450 dmg/sec or medium penetration. It's a weapon with no knockback, so it needs to kill fast.
as I said athat was a bonus pick that I enjoy :D and if u want to use grenade pistol than u cant relaly run dagger right? so its a good option for build diversity
Nah, dagger heats up way faster. It’s great but scythe is far superior especially with that scope. Dagger is great if your running crossbow or eruptor or on bots and running ballistic shield
@@Mr_Big_HeadI never use the scope really for beam weapons, don't really need it so for me the only difference is direct damage and overheat. Which are important factors but compared to the other secondaries it's a great all rounder for fire rate, damage and accuracy.
I'm having a lot of fun with the default liberator, its a good gun for hunters up close, i take it with an arc thrower for hive guard and up. Heavily slept on gun for bugs.
Agreed. I love that they made it so much better. It used to be way outclassed by the sickle, and now it does a good amount more DPS. Plus, it has a very quick reload speed which is super nice
Liberator Penetrator is a good alternative if you need something to deal with heavy units fast, then just take the P-90 secondary in case you ever really hate everything in a general direction
@@r6TrdSlow side note: arc thrower is fucken busted. Infinite ammo, infinite range, infinite armor penetration (i think), locks on, kills multiple targets in one shot sometimes, and it's only downside is that nobody can get in front of you when using it
Underrated pick is the Punisher for Bugs it has great stagger, and it's the first weapon you can buy so everyone can pretty much use it. I run it on super helldive all the time currently, and it's great I staggers every enemy aside from Chargers, Bile Titans, and Impalers. Underrated pick, in my opinion, also to prevent medium pen problems. I run Senator, so I don't worry on that front. Punisher sucks against bots, but it's not so bad because it still staggers, so it's not so terrible.
I've started to go back and use the liberator AR. Its a literal sweeping floor weapon, I pair it with senator and heavy machine mostly. Also, quite a symbolic weapon, it was the first standard helldiver weapon when deployed.
to drink water all you're gonna need is these three things. as long as you got these you are good to go. first you're gonna need a glass. you can get these in an overhead cabinet. sometimes they'll spawn in a drawer. then you're gonna need a tap. you'll usually find these in a kitchen or a bathroom. then all you're gonna need to do is turn that tap on and you got the water. now you wanna collect that water in the glass. alright my dudes, don't forget to like and subscibe
I really like the PP but jesus it takes so long to actually kill devastators in higher difficulties with it. Stunning them is nice and all but I dont want to waste a whole mag to kill one devastator
Quick tip: When playing the Cookout (Or any other cartridge feeding shotgun), hit reload after every single shot, that way if you time it right, you will never have to reload the whole mag but can shoot until you run out of ammo.
Blitzer and Guard Dog Rover is a great combo on bug dives. I just stand on top of a bug tunnel breaches and spam fire into them. Twice in one round this week I got my kill streaks over 60 doing that on a level 7 dive. It costs no ammo, no stims, and just 2 incendiary grenades to deal with the chargers that popped out at the end.
For the terminids my favorite is the arc 12 and the guard dog rover. Support weapon varies a little bit but it is usually the quasar or eat if I'm running the rover. If not then I like the autocannon or laser cannon. The arc thrower is an honorable mention as well pairing that up with the sickle or the scythe.
Always loved the Jar-5 and plas punisher especially when paired with guard dog. Hoping the regular punisher gets a buff to include either higher dmg or pushback/stagger!
RIP plas punisher, plasma standardisation killed its unique playstyle and turned it from a perfectly balanced launcher that needed some skill, into a bad shotgun outclassed by other guns in the roles it fell into. It needs to be reverted
Bugs: crossbow, sawed off shotgun pistol, laser guard dog, quasar cannon. Can 1-3 shot any terminid and the secondary has good stagger to deal with stalkers and shotgun bullet spread to hit the shriekers
A little while back, I brought my bot loadout against the bugs. Had a great time using the JAR-5 Dominator, Dagger, and Recoilless Rifle against the bugs.
for bugs i usually go cockout with granade pistol and flammenwerhfer, and it works.. nice addition is supply backpack, because of my spaming strategi and not great ammo economy of shotguns and flamethrowers.. Cockout works best vs Stalkers and Alpha comanders, because of the knockout and flam is great vs chaff. (oh, and it is wonderfull againts schrieckers, big area of effect and afterburn is enofth for shoting once at the flying shit and forgeting about it.) gpistol is utylity for clousing bugholes and sometimes I use it just like it should be - pocket granade launcher. Nades are preferable, armor - I like the fireman set, because my fire skill issue and teammates with laser cerberus. If my team have very little at weapons i took 3' stratagem for EAT, but i know that fast 500kg also do the work. I sometimes goofy on lowtier missions with torcher, but then i get swarmed by schrieckers, nest guards, or other bugs and i remember why i love punisher, sluger, or cockout.. for bots i love set showned by 'Background Gaming' (link: ua-cam.com/video/vPwwo0lLGd8/v-deo.htmlsi=Nen6bKTeHFQ6-jEs ) in sumary it is combination of crossbow, uzi, termite, and recoiless riffle. (if teammate use it allready i change for railgun and supplypack) have a nice day, fellow Divers
@juhumamamam3768 probably my fav support weapon, just like the way it feels, it's like having a lmg primary weapon, paired with am explosive primary using the stalwart as my main weapon. The high rpm fire mode is my jam
I'm Lovin mine Knight + AMR with Supply backpack and Thermite. Knight with burst (3x60 dmg) obliberates anything it can penetrate in a press of a trigger, and anything it can't pen AMR deals with. And if you come face to face with charger / hulk just yeet a termite or two in their face >.> I love my lil brr brr knight.
I currently run the Liberator Pen for the bots, it gets the job done, used it on a couple missions and it was good. I like the DMR but it feels kinda akward. For the bugs? Breaker baby!
Man I live the blitzer for bots but those rockect striders are the bane of my existence they need a light armor weak point even if it’s tiny and on the back of the legs or some thing just anything
I enjoy all your videos except tier list. It just keeps people chasing metas. Could we maybe get it in a pros and cons format rather than a tier list,l? And I hate seeing everyone use the same shit in every party. Good work tho man.
I make tier lists cause META EXISTS, it doesnt matter if u agree or disagree with it, or if I agree with it or not, factsa re facts, META WILL ALWAYS EXIST no matter what and thats absolutely fine:) im giving people information on what the meta thats all
IMO as long as the Crossbow is this beast the Plasma Punisher is just an worst Crossbow. After playing with the Crossbow and play 1 match with the Plasma Punisher, you will quit and get back to the Crossbow lol
When I use the Jar5 the muzzle flash/gas is so strong I can't land followup shots. Is there some setting I'm overlooking lol, because yours doesn't look like that. PS5 fyi.
Cookout versus bots on planets with big, open spaces (like our current MO) is a terrible idea. It's a shotgun, at the end of the day. Unless you save it for the few close quarters engagements and use stratagems for everything at long distance, it's not the "best" for every situation.
I'm a big defender of the Cookout. For me it is the best Primary to play vs Bugs since we need space and push back enemies all the time. But it is necessary to have a medium pen gun to fill that role in the build. I personally like to use GP + Supply Pack + Quasar or Senator + Recoiless. Against Bots, it is usable. Perfect to clear tier 1 enemies fast and preventing them to call a drop. 1 pellet is enough to kill them. Can save us from being swarmed by berserkers too. But in the end you are stuck with medium pen support weapons like Railgun, AC, AMR, etc. There are other options that are far better vs bots for the primary slot.
@@Crazymrpipz it's a giant AOE stun Infront of you. Two shots every enemy except hulks. You just have to play close up. I don't bring anything else on 10s. Crossbow has horrible aiming and projectile speed. Once you learn how to use the cookout it's the best.
I dunno... i fully believe any weapon is op depending on how you use it, and your play style. Telling people what "weapon you only need" kinda stunts them from finding their own favorite build that actually works for them, and that they enjoy.
Torcher is the worst weapon. U will be taken out of game if u use it against bugs by burning ur self to hell every minute. U are fked up esch time u meet 2 or more enemys... they will run into u and burn u to hell
I know the crossbow is just overall better right now, but I still love my Eruptor and take it over it most of the time.
Same brother
Same
The eruptor is my personal favorite aswell
Same here. Vs bots eruptor, hmg and supply pack
@@gam3rT4G i use dame load out for bugs tbh
I really want to like the Jar-5, but man, that handling. With the CS, while on paper it's less damage for the same amount of rounds and no stagger, it still feels more effective for me (on M+K) because I'm not constantly missing. Compared to the Jar-5 , the CS's snappy handling and high velocity rounds makes it way easier to actually land hits (especially on moving targets) and pop devastator faces, so in terms of actually getting effective damage per mag, I feel like the CS wins out even though the Jar-5 is better on paper.
Plus I think I read in recent patch notes somewhere that the automatons do lose accuracy upon taking any hit, non-staggering rounds included, and I've definitely noticed that lately. With the CS, when shooting at the shield devastators, even the shorter "flinch" animation (vs the longer "stagger" animation) still throws their shots off target, so stagger doesn't feel quite as important as it used to be for the automatons.
I think it is patch dependant. In the past, I ran the Jar-5 because it is a Beserker wrecker. Just aim for the waist and you can 2 tap them, with better ammo economy than the DCS. However, I have not seen multiple Beserker trains for a while now and I agree with you that the DCS is better. On the Bug front, the Jar-5 takes care of spewers, Hive Guards, Commanders, and importantly, Stalkers. You can kill multiple Stalkers with 1 mag, and because of the Stagger, they don't get to touch you. The weakness of the Jar-5 on Bugs is Hunter packs, of which there are a ton of these days. Because of the abundance of Spewers and Hunters these days, I run a Crossbow/Stalwart/Thermite loadout.
Its not even the weapon's handling for me, its the slow projectile velocity. By the time the bullet reaches the target's position, the target has already moved.
Use the peak physique armor perc with jar 5 dom and autocannon. Makes both feel much better
2 shot to the same leg of any devestaor with jar5 kills em. Even the shielded ones
Incendiary shotgun + supply pack + grenade launcher vs bugs
I like Blitzer for Bugs, and Punisher Plasma for Bots
Same.
Same here
Kudos to Arrowhead to swapping the Punisher back (extremely rapidly) after the “buff”. (When they probably saw usage numbers plummet).
I use the plasma for everything. It just works
the dominator CONTINUES to dominate
indeeeeeeeeeeeed
The Dagger kinda makes the Scythe pointless. Sure, it has 100 less dmg/second, but the DOT burn dmg is the same, same penetration. Against most targets, you will barely notice a difference.
Scythe needs a boost to like 450 dmg/sec or medium penetration. It's a weapon with no knockback, so it needs to kill fast.
Great point! Stronger lasers should slice feel like its slicing while burning. Would love to see higher pen and dmg on the scythe and canon
as I said athat was a bonus pick that I enjoy :D and if u want to use grenade pistol than u cant relaly run dagger right? so its a good option for build diversity
Nah, dagger heats up way faster. It’s great but scythe is far superior especially with that scope. Dagger is great if your running crossbow or eruptor or on bots and running ballistic shield
Eh dagger heats up way faster and has a better scope. It’s not as black and white as it seems
@@Mr_Big_HeadI never use the scope really for beam weapons, don't really need it so for me the only difference is direct damage and overheat. Which are important factors but compared to the other secondaries it's a great all rounder for fire rate, damage and accuracy.
I'm having a lot of fun with the default liberator, its a good gun for hunters up close, i take it with an arc thrower for hive guard and up. Heavily slept on gun for bugs.
Agreed. I love that they made it so much better. It used to be way outclassed by the sickle, and now it does a good amount more DPS. Plus, it has a very quick reload speed which is super nice
Liberator Penetrator is a good alternative if you need something to deal with heavy units fast, then just take the P-90 secondary in case you ever really hate everything in a general direction
@@Beta-TheJ absolutely haha. Been having so much fun with the lib pen
@@r6TrdSlow side note: arc thrower is fucken busted. Infinite ammo, infinite range, infinite armor penetration (i think), locks on, kills multiple targets in one shot sometimes, and it's only downside is that nobody can get in front of you when using it
The cookout is my fav, I do think it needs a buff to the damage a lil and the fire damage, just a lil
dominator with the fortified commando suit is the peak chunky experience
Underrated pick is the Punisher for Bugs it has great stagger, and it's the first weapon you can buy so everyone can pretty much use it. I run it on super helldive all the time currently, and it's great I staggers every enemy aside from Chargers, Bile Titans, and Impalers. Underrated pick, in my opinion, also to prevent medium pen problems. I run Senator, so I don't worry on that front. Punisher sucks against bots, but it's not so bad because it still staggers, so it's not so terrible.
4-5 direct hits to kill a single berserker killed the plasma punisher for me on the bot front
@@fenfrostpaws2000yeah i feel like it should have 16 ammo or something closer to the other punishers as it doesnt ecen reload round by round.
I've started to go back and use the liberator AR. Its a literal sweeping floor weapon, I pair it with senator and heavy machine mostly. Also, quite a symbolic weapon, it was the first standard helldiver weapon when deployed.
to drink water all you're gonna need is these three things. as long as you got these you are good to go. first you're gonna need a glass. you can get these in an overhead cabinet. sometimes they'll spawn in a drawer. then you're gonna need a tap. you'll usually find these in a kitchen or a bathroom. then all you're gonna need to do is turn that tap on and you got the water. now you wanna collect that water in the glass. alright my dudes, don't forget to like and subscibe
I really like the PP but jesus it takes so long to actually kill devastators in higher difficulties with it. Stunning them is nice and all but I dont want to waste a whole mag to kill one devastator
Quick tip: When playing the Cookout (Or any other cartridge feeding shotgun), hit reload after every single shot, that way if you time it right, you will never have to reload the whole mag but can shoot until you run out of ammo.
Blitzer and Guard Dog Rover is a great combo on bug dives. I just stand on top of a bug tunnel breaches and spam fire into them. Twice in one round this week I got my kill streaks over 60 doing that on a level 7 dive. It costs no ammo, no stims, and just 2 incendiary grenades to deal with the chargers that popped out at the end.
For the terminids my favorite is the arc 12 and the guard dog rover. Support weapon varies a little bit but it is usually the quasar or eat if I'm running the rover. If not then I like the autocannon or laser cannon. The arc thrower is an honorable mention as well pairing that up with the sickle or the scythe.
All theses weapons are great!! I love to cycle with the scythe and the laser cannon with the Laser drone!! great video!!
Always loved the Jar-5 and plas punisher especially when paired with guard dog. Hoping the regular punisher gets a buff to include either higher dmg or pushback/stagger!
More pushback would be straight comical, more dmg makes sense though
RIP plas punisher, plasma standardisation killed its unique playstyle and turned it from a perfectly balanced launcher that needed some skill, into a bad shotgun outclassed by other guns in the roles it fell into.
It needs to be reverted
Bugs: crossbow, sawed off shotgun pistol, laser guard dog, quasar cannon. Can 1-3 shot any terminid and the secondary has good stagger to deal with stalkers and shotgun bullet spread to hit the shriekers
2 statagems free would be eagle strafing run (can kill Impalers in 1) and tesla tower, tesla swappable for your favorite
A little while back, I brought my bot loadout against the bugs. Had a great time using the JAR-5 Dominator, Dagger, and Recoilless Rifle against the bugs.
eradicator light armour, crossbow, shotgun, Stun grenades, ballistic shield, 500kg, OPS, Commando is my go to build for bots at the moment
for bugs i usually go cockout with granade pistol and flammenwerhfer, and it works.. nice addition is supply backpack, because of my spaming strategi and not great ammo economy of shotguns and flamethrowers.. Cockout works best vs Stalkers and Alpha comanders, because of the knockout and flam is great vs chaff. (oh, and it is wonderfull againts schrieckers, big area of effect and afterburn is enofth for shoting once at the flying shit and forgeting about it.) gpistol is utylity for clousing bugholes and sometimes I use it just like it should be - pocket granade launcher. Nades are preferable, armor - I like the fireman set, because my fire skill issue and teammates with laser cerberus. If my team have very little at weapons i took 3' stratagem for EAT, but i know that fast 500kg also do the work.
I sometimes goofy on lowtier missions with torcher, but then i get swarmed by schrieckers, nest guards, or other bugs and i remember why i love punisher, sluger, or cockout..
for bots i love set showned by 'Background Gaming' (link: ua-cam.com/video/vPwwo0lLGd8/v-deo.htmlsi=Nen6bKTeHFQ6-jEs )
in sumary it is combination of crossbow, uzi, termite, and recoiless riffle. (if teammate use it allready i change for railgun and supplypack)
have a nice day, fellow Divers
Crossbow, stalwart, jumppack, rocket mech and rocket sentry. My loadout for every game. Mainly support and cover for teammates.
why stalwart?
@juhumamamam3768 probably my fav support weapon, just like the way it feels, it's like having a lmg primary weapon, paired with am explosive primary using the stalwart as my main weapon. The high rpm fire mode is my jam
If you mix the scythe with the laser cannon, you got a solid infinite ammo loadout
I definitely love the torcher and dog breath combo
Good list. I’ve always been a plas punisher guy on both sides but recently started using crossbow too all these weapons good though
I'm Lovin mine Knight + AMR with Supply backpack and Thermite.
Knight with burst (3x60 dmg) obliberates anything it can penetrate in a press of a trigger, and anything it can't pen AMR deals with.
And if you come face to face with charger / hulk just yeet a termite or two in their face >.>
I love my lil brr brr knight.
Great list, but I just love my incendiary breaker
You forgot on lower difficulties the PP (Plasma Punisher) can take out scout striders from the front cause the explosion impacts the driver
I've always loved the regular Punisher.
LAS has definitely become one of my favs!
Crossbow is no doubt the better weapon for bots, but maybe it’s the handling or rate of fire I just like using punisher plasma more
I currently run the Liberator Pen for the bots, it gets the job done, used it on a couple missions and it was good. I like the DMR but it feels kinda akward. For the bugs? Breaker baby!
You forgot the SCORCHER!
Can you make a list for the only support weapons you’ll need? A good pairing between primary + support is essential
Man I live the blitzer for bots but those rockect striders are the bane of my existence they need a light armor weak point even if it’s tiny and on the back of the legs or some thing just anything
They have one
It's the missiles on their side, you can destroy them with light guns and they explode taking down the walker
That blitzer is a beast with laser rover
How did you kill that charger so fast with the torcher? I kill them slower with the support weapon.
KEEP THIS SECRET PLEASE!!! I get a spoecific buff = BIG PP damage! :D:D:D no clue man thats the speed I kill em at :D
@@Crazymrpipz lol
Adjucator... bro its one of the best clearing weapons in the game with high magazine and good pen
The Purifier is cooking right now
Note with Cookout: Reload! Don't get caught by a bug with an empty mag!
I actually think that the DCS is solid on bugs.
I enjoy all your videos except tier list. It just keeps people chasing metas. Could we maybe get it in a pros and cons format rather than a tier list,l? And I hate seeing everyone use the same shit in every party. Good work tho man.
I make tier lists cause META EXISTS, it doesnt matter if u agree or disagree with it, or if I agree with it or not, factsa re facts, META WILL ALWAYS EXIST no matter what and thats absolutely fine:) im giving people information on what the meta thats all
@@Crazymrpipz yeah your right, and I do appreciate the info you do share
@@tootles7622 hey man I respect ur answer honestly
Another great video sir! I love your positivity and the encouragement you give to your community. Please keep up the amazing work!!!
IMO as long as the Crossbow is this beast the Plasma Punisher is just an worst Crossbow. After playing with the Crossbow and play 1 match with the Plasma Punisher, you will quit and get back to the Crossbow lol
When I use the Jar5 the muzzle flash/gas is so strong I can't land followup shots. Is there some setting I'm overlooking lol, because yours doesn't look like that. PS5 fyi.
My Eruptor + any other brother with a shotgun is just a clearfest
Crossbow is gonna get nerfed .. whether im fighting bugs or bots on 9 or 10 damn near every player rocks it. I love the xbow and stalwart vs the bugs
accidentally took Torcher. Solo killed three Fab Striders wit it
There is no meta in HD2 at the moment. All weapons are interchangeable.
The plasma punisher doesn’t hit hard, good stagger though.
Exactly
You actually only need the cookout. It's the best gun on bugs and bots. Is it flying under the radar because no one wants it nerfed?
Cookout versus bots on planets with big, open spaces (like our current MO) is a terrible idea. It's a shotgun, at the end of the day. Unless you save it for the few close quarters engagements and use stratagems for everything at long distance, it's not the "best" for every situation.
naaah cookout is good but not good on bots :D its okay on bots though
It’s solid vs bugs and usable vs bots but it’s quite far from the best.
I'm a big defender of the Cookout. For me it is the best Primary to play vs Bugs since we need space and push back enemies all the time. But it is necessary to have a medium pen gun to fill that role in the build. I personally like to use GP + Supply Pack + Quasar or Senator + Recoiless.
Against Bots, it is usable. Perfect to clear tier 1 enemies fast and preventing them to call a drop. 1 pellet is enough to kill them. Can save us from being swarmed by berserkers too. But in the end you are stuck with medium pen support weapons like Railgun, AC, AMR, etc. There are other options that are far better vs bots for the primary slot.
@@Crazymrpipz it's a giant AOE stun Infront of you. Two shots every enemy except hulks. You just have to play close up. I don't bring anything else on 10s. Crossbow has horrible aiming and projectile speed. Once you learn how to use the cookout it's the best.
Somehow I was unsubscribed from your channel. Anyone else experience this? I gotta have my pipz.
What does “AD clear” mean?
People calls the lesser enemies in video games by this nickname. So in HD2, the light armor enemies are ads.
I dunno... i fully believe any weapon is op depending on how you use it, and your play style. Telling people what "weapon you only need" kinda stunts them from finding their own favorite build that actually works for them, and that they enjoy.
First
Spray and pray
Torcher is the worst weapon. U will be taken out of game if u use it against bugs by burning ur self to hell every minute. U are fked up esch time u meet 2 or more enemys... they will run into u and burn u to hell
AR crying on the corner.
With enough practice the plasma punisher and crossbow replace every primary in the game.
Torcher, my beloved... You're still beautiful even until now....