Ukraine must negotiate with Russia as the war threatens the Western alliance, says James Lawson
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- James Lawson, Magdalen College, speaks in proposition of the motion that This House Believes Ukraine Should Negotiate with Russia to End the War Now.
This is the third speech of six.
This speaker is a competitive debater and the views expressed may not represent their beliefs. #debate #debates
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Chamberlain didn't live in vain I see... You Brits need to teach your own history...
Most Brits don't want to appease Putin.
"This speaker is a competitive debater and the views expressed may not represent their beliefs." - People in the comments might want to read that. And also look up competitive debating. A very challenging job proposing that motion.
This guy just keeps coming out with absolute bangers!
"We should stop helping Ukraine now so that we can deter ruzzia and China in the future"....But by giving up we just show that we have no willpower or desire to see it out, which will do absolutely nothing to deter future conflicts 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
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Polls aren't really showing what the speaker presented. What he omitted to mention is that almost 70% of Europeans said that we should continue to support Ukraine at either the current level of higher levels (that is also only really skewed by Hungary and Austria). And the 70% of republicans sounds impressive until you realise that the Republicans are 50% of the voting population...which means 70% of the US also thinks aid should continue
We really aren't running down our stockpiles. 90% of what is being sent is either old ammo or ammo that is soon reaching it's expiry date. The west is keeping it's war stocks at ready levels.
The crux of the problem is that Western factories didn't actually increase production when they should have been.
with a risk of using Ad Hitlerum, giving a propaganda dictator what he wants only postpones conflict, not avoids it
I find it appaling that people like him always call on Ukraine to negotiate, but never on Russia to stop their aggression. Ukraine doesn't have any option but to defend itself. Russia can end the war today, no negotiation needed.
Well the difference here is that Russia has said that they won't stop and they already have a peace deal ready to go if the west finally decides that the war has to end. Ukraine on the other hand has said that they refuse to negotiate with Putin at all and that the only way to end this war is for Russia to leave or get pushed out by force, which they obviously will never do.
So if you want the war to end through peace negotiations then you have to force Ukraine to the table.
@@privatebandanaRussia's plan has nothing to do with peace. They call for complete surrender of Ukraine. We'll never fall for it.
@@miraculixxs What a nonsense! Putin said again and again that he wants to negotiate on the basis of Istanbul Papers. Main point in this is Ukrainian neutrality-status! And nothing at all about giving up Land, but only autonomy of Donbas (within Ukraine) and people's vote under International inspection after 15 years on Crimea. So please inform yourself properly before commenting!
I don't debate trolls
@@miraculixxsTroll? Why do you deny facts?
This young man's viewpoint is the most persuasive, unemotional, and logical.
He is saying scary stuff.What would he say if his country was in same situation like Ukraine?Ok, then neighbor can ocupate neighbors country and nobody say nothing ? It is going to be no Rights anymore ,can you imagine how all world going to look like ?
Except it comes from a place of utter ignorance as to the goals of both sides
@@hycylkaksenja3565 his country will never be in the position of Ukraine, his country is in the position of Russia lol.
He misses a huge point - you can’t negotiate with someone who doesn’t believe you should exist.
the spectators see the chess game better than the players, not purly a spectator though.
excellent. maybe there is hope for our futures after all, please help this man become our next pm asap,
Can I get his appartment? He can negotiate to get a picture or something.
only a few smart kids like this one left in the UK...well done mate the only one calling for peace first
You can call for “peace” all you want it’s useless unless you can actually explain how you think peace will be achieved and what it should look like.
To bad intellectuals debating in a hall while dressed fancy doesn’t accomplish anything.
Negotiate or death? That is the question....
What it doesn't get is that the "terrorist" terms would be something like "I keep your family to use as I please and you can visit and watch"
Do we remember how a peace treaty with Russia turned out in Chechnya? It resulted in the destruction of Grozny.
poor argument. Kadyrov ended up making peace with Putin and everyone in Chechnya has benefitted
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Let's just say his argument are contradictionary. You can't have the cake and eat it at the same time. A deterrent that is not actually used in response to an aggression it failed to in fact deter is worthless. It's like keeping the cake to not starve later while actually starving.
Oh, we mustn't have 'populist, right-wing movements' gaining support now, must we? This young man is going to be a pillar of the Liberal Establishment, that same establishment which is betraying the indigenous peoples of Europe.
Why not signed the Treaty (draft no.7), before the war stated...? Instead wasting, resources, lives, money, time, infrastructures, etc.etc..?
Diplomatic solutions now are good start but the terms on which Proposition should test- Ukraine alliance with NATO is wrong b/c NATO expansion is the cause of this war. NATO war fought with Ukrainian men is lost. Time to reevaluate NATO expansion.
"NATO expansion is the cause of this war " What about Finland and Sweden? And BUDAPEST MEMORANDUN?
@@hycylkaksenja3565
What about Finland and Sweden?
At last one european is talking of peace after devastating Such a beautiful place like Ukraine.
Silly boy.
Has more sense than you.
He makes a good case suggesting the West should conserve its resources.
By retort though: what is the West (esp NATO) for if not detering Russian genocidal aggression?
James also massively overstates his case in his peroration that we should call for a ceasefire... even if Ukraine were winning. 🤨
You say "what is the West (esp NATO) for if not detering Russian genocidal aggression?" EASY the west is for supporting Genocide in Gazza...and the west will be the reason for the end of the Ukraine....Minsk agreement anyone....oh that was just a delay tactic...Reeeaaallly
Russia is a part of the West and has a longer history with it than the US existed as a country. After the USSR collapse, Warsaw pact disbanded, NATO lost its reason to exist. The West had a choice: whether to accept Russia as an ally and help it during her difficult time, the way they did to some other nations, or to continue to rob and antagonize Russia. They chose the latter. Betrayed the promises that were made on multiple occasions, including signing a peace agreement as guarantors together with Ukraine and then years later bragging at the highest level how they swindled Russia again and signed it simply to give UA time to rearm. NATO case is indefensible. They had a choice. They consistently chose war.
Russia is a part of the West and has a longer history with it that the US existed as a country. After the USSR collapse, Warsaw pact disbanded, NATO lost its reason to exist. The West had a choice: whether to accept Russia as an ally and help it during her difficult time, the way they did to some other nations, or to continue to rob and antagonize Russia. They chose the latter. Betrayed the promises that were made on multiple occasions, including signing a peace agreement as guarantors together with Ukraine and then years later bragging at the highest level how they swindled Russia again and signed it simply to give UA time to rearm. NATO case is indefensible. They had a choice. They consistently chose war.
Rus5657sia is a part of the We5Yst and has a longer history with it than the US existed as a country. After the US687SR collapse, War8009saw pact disbanded, NA898TO lost its reason to exist. The West had a choice: whether to accept Rus909sia as an ally and help it during her difficult time, the way they did to some other nations, or to continue to rob and antagonize Rus009sia. They chose the latter. Betrayed the promises that were made on multiple occasions, including signing a peace agreement as guarantors together with Ukra^654ine and then years later bragging at the highest level how they swindled Rus$65sia again and signed it simply to give Uk465rai8ne time to rearm. NA464TO case is indefensible. They had a choice. They consistently chose war.
@@cassandracurse7065 At the start of January 2015, the separatist forces of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) began a new offensive on Ukrainian-controlled areas, resulting in the complete collapse of the Minsk Protocol ceasefire.
“Just negotiate” people who say this use the word “negotiate” like a magic spell without ever delving into what that actually means.
It meant negotiate in good faith and understand Russia's point of view
Read Istanbul papers and you will know what about negotiations would be. Nothing bad for Ukraine at all!
@@eddastrohmayer251 wrong there were no serious proposals. During the attempted peace talks (that were a small part of the green corridor and grain deal) ruSSia demanded Ukraine reduce the size of its army, never join any foreign block, make russian an official language, and other absurd demands.
Very funny peace of unrelevant former empire.
Imagine you are beaten by English nationalist in Scotland if you utter scottish/galeic words or put/pin/hold scottish flag. That is what happened with Hungarians living in west ukraine (who were cut from their mother country in 1920 by Treaty of Trianon). I live 50 miles form Ukraine border and we know. there is even a law, you can check, which forbids in school to use your own language in school. If you use/pin/waive Hungarian flag there you are beaten until you bleed. Same applies for Russians there. But you in the west media bubble do not hear these. The Minsk agreement was to assure these rights but Ukraine ignored it with the support of the west. Zelensky has a multi million euro palace in Tuscana, Italy, he has had it even before he became president. Where do you think that money came from? His wealth is estimated 1,5 billion USD. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world and is far from being a democracy Russia cannot be beaten only talks give peace but USA does not want it. Even if Ukraine wins back all territories, what is guarantee Russia will not go back some months later? Nothing. So far 300+ billion USD was spent by the west for this war, third of it was stolen by corruption, and 2/3 went back to US weapon manufacturers. Ukraine is in ruins, the economy is bankrupted, the people fled, those who stayed are in life lasting war shock. The war does not seem to end soon. There is no winner in this. The solution is to respect the concern of Russia and for Ukraine to respect minority rights. The beneficiaries of the war are USA and China. USA gas 4x more expensive than Russian, makes EU/Germany uncompetitive, end of EU economy. EU/UK will crush due to incompetent leaders who think a long term stable peace and prosperity in Europe is possible without or by "beating" Russia (whatever it means) and a strong European/German economy based on cheap Russian gas scares the hell out of the USA. Prospect of Ukraine joining NATO, NATO expansion and the oppression of minorities in ukraine led to this. This is the west paying the cost of freedom. the west decided to pay the »cost of freedom«, so pin the ukrainian flag onto your shirt and enjoy the western style of living while it lasts.
NEGOTIATE WITH RUSSIA.
Ignore the Russian bots
Ignore because you have no argument against the facts.
@@dwl3006 What arguments and against what facts? Sharikov it is you!!!!🤣🤣
Is this debater speaking from having specialised training, experience, and understanding of the complexities of warfare based on books? Is he more experienced than our military Generals?
Wow NAFO cope is really strong here.
Long live Vladimir Putin ❤❤❤❤❤
Ukraine can not win this war.
Yes it can - no outcome is written in the sky. 🤷
@@TheMagicLemur there no other outcome as the whole operation is to liberate eastern part of ukraine that asked for liberation from the western part that has stephen bandara as an hero untill Ukraine reforms. Ukraine is alredy forced to reform having so much eye on them from the western powers, alredy brought up black people be denied use public transport so Russia "win" eaither way 🤷
@CGplay186 Then why did Russia try... and fail to take Kyiv? Why do they want Odessa or bomb Lviv?
Definitely not just East. 😅
And if your issue is Nazis: there are more Nazis is Russia than the rest of the World combined. They even have an "Africa Corps" FFS.
Kids argument
We stand with Russia
Clearly a bot who's not watched the video. 🙄
It's a video for peace, not Russia.
Who is we? 💀
The British people stand with Ukraine.
GOOD LUCK!!!🤣🤣🤣
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What a fool
You are a fool.
LOVE PUTIN.
DOWN WITH joe biden