2019 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk: Can the Most Expensive Trailhawk Tackle Snowy Moab? (Part 3 of 3)
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No one ever seems to mention the seats in the Trailhawk. They are much better than the other trim levels (Same as the SRT Cherokee)
I've always been a Jeep Wrangler and Rubicon guy but I just purchased a 2020 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk and was amazed how capable it is off-road and how great it rides on the road... I have the 2liter turbo and it has 270hp and 295fpt. I call it my Rubicon sports car.. I absolutely love it 😎👍 thanks for your post
How has the reliability been for you? Is the Cherokee your daily?
I have a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk and it's amazing! Very comfortable and reliable so far with 50,000 miles
I only have 5k miles on mine so that's good to hear.
I'm on 114k. Have to replace the uconnect but other than that, no mechanical problems.
@@deadmonk5y what year is your jeep
@@javim9621 2014. Its a limited though, not a trailhawk.
@@deadmonk5y well the Uconnect is not Jeep and I wish Jeep would just drop Uconnect and go with something better. I have a 2017 JGC Overland with 45k milles and yes I take it off road (GLAD THE FRONT BUMPER IS EASY TO REMOVE) and the only problem I have is the Uconnect. It works but it has glitches.
My wife has the new Compass, I used to own a JK Wrangler, and I also used to have the Grand Cherokee as well, all are great vehicles but all have their pros/cons. I currently own a Cherokee and I have to say after driving literally almost every Jeep model I like it the best. It's got a great ride, good amount of room, decent power, great in bad weather and its super versatile. No matter what Jeep you go with though you wont be disappointed.
I would definitely get the Grand Cherokee. Anything smaller is too small for me. I like to have good cargo room and a comfy ride is hugely important considering 95% of driving is on the road. Even for an offroad enthusiast
That's what I just bought! I'm still in the total honey-moon phase where I love every thing about it. Also my first Jeep, so that might be a part of it, too.
You should spend more time researching the vehicle. The grand Cherokee Trailhawk is full time 4x4 system with the Quadra-drive 2. In 4 low it locks the front and rear driveshaft and it also has the ability to send 100% of the motors power to a single wheel if needed in 4h and 4l. These things are next to unstoppable. Way better than a regular Cherokee. Rear lockers aren’t the be all end all. There’s a lot more to off roading than a locker.
I purchased the 2019 Cherokee 2.0T Trailhawk and I absolutely LOVE it. I has everything I need for comfort AND it is pretty darn capable off-road. For the price, It's hard to beat.
Great reviews Stephen! I owned a brand new first gen Grand Cherokee in '94 with the select Trac 4 wheel drive system. It had the straight 6 and was surprisingly trouble free! Owned it for 17 years.
Who thinks this is now the BEST TFL channel on UA-cam?????
They're all great. Great hold over since there's no more top gear and the grand tour takes forever to come out with just a few episodes a year.
Great job. I'm really glad you picked the Cherokee because i picked it for the same reason, that rear locker. And now that it's lifted with 30s and 11.7" ground clearance its even better.
GC Trailhawk in fact does lock the elsd fully in Mud and Rock mode modes Snow and Sand is a little less locked. 4WD low ofcourse fully locked rear as well. Someone in GC forums used a scan tool and measured full pressure on the rear elsd at all times in those modes. Its a better system overall because its more versatile than the Cherokee locker.
Secondly it displays a locked 🔒 symbol at the rear diff on the HUD
I did a bunch of research and bought the Cherokee THawk with a v6 because I didn't want a turbo to fail on me. I agree with you great rig.
I test drove the '19 Cherokee trailhawk with the 2.0 turbo, although I felt the transmission was lethargic, the motor pulled hard when it was in the right gear and I was really impressed with everything else.
I’ve always loved the 4Runner, but this thing is just GORGEOUS!
We had a 2019 4Runner as a rental and compared to the Grand Cherokees it really didn't hold up well in the comparison. Noticeably less power because of the old style 5 speed auto transmission that meant some "big" downshifts and noticeable high rpms on long inclines, compared to the 8 speed on the Jeep. The fuel mileage was only about 20 mpg at best whereas Grand Cherokees are 25 mpg over the same route and the worst thing of all was the seats, both my wife and I who are at different ends of the size scale, I'm 6' 4" and she is 5' 2" were in pain from the seat bases after a 100 miles or so, it actually gave me "butt burn" like I'd experience on a motorcycle over a similar distance. From our experience the Grand Cherokee was dramatically better, while I can't discount Toyota's reputation for longevity and reliability the 4Runner was immediately chalked of our list of potential new vehicles. The great thing about renting a vehicle is you get a decent test drive over 500-750 miles on a weekend away, I liked the 4Runner driving through town from the rental place to home, however had that been a dealer test drive and I'd bought one and then set of on a long trip, I'd have been crying after 100 miles to think I spent all that money on something so uncomfortable and that felt like it lacked power on inclines at the altitude we are at.
Ryan Garr I had a 4runner, and now I have a grand Cherokee Trailhawk, it’s 1000x better. The 4 runner is a soulless gangly bitch. Mine has as much ground clearance as my 4runner TRD pro with a lift. I’ve got 12.5” clearance.
This is so not accurate of the grand Cherokee Trailhawk.
@@KAREKINFPV I would agree on my experience of the Grand Cherokee Trailhawk it is better in every way compared to a 4Runner, picking up another rental one tomorrow for another long weekend trip, so we'll see if it's as good as the two previous ones I've had mpg wise. I'm going to go there first thing in the morning to make sure I get a Grand Cherokee and not one of many 4Runners that were sitting on the lot when I drove by today.
Psshh reliability is king, so 4runner all day, all these people saying “i’ve had the 4runner but now i got the jeep grand, jeep is better” they never owned a 4runner they were always a jeep fan
FCA has become my favorite auto brand by far
From what I’ve read from FCA, the "electronic limited slip differential" or ELSD on QuadraDrive II can be thought of as an "electronically-controlled variable differential", in that it can be set to fully locked or fully open (like a typical locking differential), or in-between (to allow limited slip). That's obviously quite versatile and in my opinion better than an e-locker. I have a 2013 WK2 Hemi TrailHawk and I can attest to its locking ability.
I love my 19' Trail Hawk its funny all the stink eyes I get while driving in snowy conditions. Lmao it just slashes through the snow. First Jeep Owner and they have me hooked.
I would be down with that.
guy proulx stock FJ / Runner / Taco / Grand TH would all be nearly identical. It would come down to driver and tire choice for the conditions.
@guy proulx Your comment might have made sense if you didn't say that the old cherokee was a body on frame. The old cherokee was NEVER BoF. It was the first suv with a monocoque body, like most CUV right now. That aside, while I myself I own a 2012 Grand cherokee, yes it will never go anywhere like that TRD will, and they never meant to compete with it. It is for people who wants a comfy SUV that have some degree of off road ability. The Grand cherokee, along with the 4Runner are the only SUV in their class to offer a proper transfer case and some off road gizmos.
guy proulx you might be talking about the Wagoneer from the 70's.
However, independent suspension and unibody chassis has proven to give greater ground clearance and chassis rigidity.
The air suspension is more adjustable, and more compliant than coil or leaf springs like your beloved Toyotas have. Reliability is great, as most commercial transport trucks run air suspension.
Check your facts before you beak, and then look up Kelowna Snow Wheelers. No solid axle or leaf springs there. Independent front and rear, and air springs. Nothing else can touch them.
guy proulx Wagoneer ended in 1991. Grand Cherokee began in 1992.
As for air suspension and commercial trucks? Try all off road dump and logging trucks. Longevity? Try 800,000 km of abuse on rough terrain before replacement. I work in industry, so don't argue with me. Spring suspension doesn't last in comparison.
As for off road racing. You'd be surprised at how prevalent air actually is. The downside to air is changing temperature, increasing pressure... not necessarily reliability.
Since the GC Trailhawk has independent suspension front and rear, the differentials move with the body. Using the air suspension does actually increase the distance from the differentials to the road. Which is contrary to what you said early on. The GC’s haven’t run solid axles in many years
@@wildbill23c Couldn't agree more. The A-arms/control arms don't really change all that much in the OR 1 or OR2. It's a capable crossover, but the wrangler will still spank it off-road. I'm hoping TFL clarifies the "doesn't change the height to the axle" comment. Also happen to own a '17 GC Trailhawk so it's always a point of contention that's it's an independent suspension and not live/solid axle.
Maan you are a good presenter,, love your job..
Just bought a '20 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk to tow our overlanding trailer equipped with a rooftop tent. Plan on doing some long distance driving across the country to see many of the beautiful state and national parks. What sold us was the comfort and interior space for the long stretches of interstate between the parks and trails. Thanks for the great review and honest opinion.
Wife has a 2017 Wrangler. I have a 2019 Hemi Grand Cherokee TH. Wife is always trying to use my ride over hers. Unless you "live" offroad, the GC TH is the way to go. BTW--we live in NV both of these vehicles will go over anything but the gnarliest terrain absolutely stock.
But does it have a Tim Horton's doughnut holder??? I DON'T THINK SO.
And I'm so glad it doesn't.
You’re right. Leaves more space for decor from Pier 1.
Who's Tim Horton? And what's a doughnut holder?
I have a 2017 Trailhawk. It’s nice to know that not much has changed except the display options. I love my Jeep, definitely keeping it, unless I find a trackhawk...
Just bought a 2020 GC Trailhawk...So far so good!
I just bought the olive green pearl Cherokee Trailhawk you were driving in this series, minus the sunroof, a week ago. It is amazing!! Looking forward to playing in the snow this weekend and hitting the trails in the spring. Awesome video!!
Great overview of all three models. You guys are killing it putting out all the content lately, talk about being busy!
Awesome!
Thank you for your support!
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The [first gen Fiat] Cherokee looks butt ugly. Grand Cherokee for the win!
I had a rental Grand Cherokee Trailhawk this last weekend, what impressed me most was it's on road abilities, quiet, smooth and powerful. I'm currently deciding between a Grand Cherokee and the Cherokee Trailhawk models. I love the Grand, but think it's just a little big for what is a second vehicle and one that will be used for commuting to work. However in the real world the price difference is nothing like what's suggested here. Firstly I don't know why anyone would need the V8 engine unless they are towing heavy loads regularly which seems at odds with why you'd buy this vehicle and not something I need as I have a Diesel pickup. So if the V6 is adequate there is not a huge price difference between the two models, probably more like $5k new, if you go mildly used the gap is even closer, so I'm finding it hard not to get the Grand Cherokee for its extra refinement and the fuel consumption is actually 1 mpg better on the highway according to the government figures than the Cherokee, on long trips I've averaged over 25mpg on all the Grand Cherokees I've driven - the problem is I still think the Cherokee is better for our needs, but it's hard to resist the Grand for such a similar price.
Great job Steve! If I absolutely had to pick one of those FCA Jeeps, I’d go with the Grand. Looks the best of the three plus a nicer ride.
We have a 17 Cherokee TH and absolutely love it. Ive taken it out on some medium to hard rock/hill climbing and it did amazing! The rear locker is definitely a bonus for sure. I also put an MFC lift kit on it that gave it 2" additional height. Next are some wildpeaks, RR sliders and a front end hitch.
Very hardy SUV and reliable !!
I have a request if you are in contact with representatives of a Jeep, then tell them for Russia they made the most reliable jeep!
There is one Jeep Grand Cherokee in 2013 with a 3.6 engine, it has a mileage of almost 800,000 thousand kilometers or 497,096,954 thousand miles !! Not a problem except a broken gearbox !!
How has the reliability been for you? Is it your daily driver?
I wanted to love it so bad but things kept breaking. Off road is great. It was my daily. Got a 14 xterra pro x and never looked back
@@chrisblair9429 thank you I was thinking about getting a used one since they are cheaper now but after talking to real people I should skip
I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk, 2017, which was totaled in the parking lot of my office Friday the13th. I loved it! I received a Jeep Badge of Honor Badge by completing 20 miles off road at Windrock, trail 16, I think. I have since replaced with a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland with everything the Trailhawk had plus: 5.7 L Hemi, cold induction air intake, Borla cat back exhaust, plus everything I had on the Trailhawk, which I loved. Before I had the embellishments added, it did great off road at Off Adventure park in TN. I am looking forward to more adventures off road, in comfort like the beloved Trailhawk, oh, I now have a drone to follow me on the trails to launch from my center console. I love my Jeep and my highly modified 1985 CJ7!
I love grand Cherokee, right now driving a 2010 Limited, but this is my dream. 👏🏽 👏🏽
We got a grand Cherokee with the V8 recently. We’ve been pretty happy with it so far.
I've got the 2019 Cherokee trailhawk and it is excellent. I've taken it off road a bit and in the snow and it's proven it's self to be very capable. My only personal change would be to put a manual transmission, but that's only cause I prefer shifting gears myself. Aside from that it's amazing so far.
Auto setting, really does do most of the thinking. I rarely had to worry about the setting on the JGC... I’ve owned 2, and I loved them both. Recently though, we wanted a change...so Cherokee Trailhawk is our new toy.
Stephen actually lives close to me. I hope to run into him one day with Big Green. I'm really liking his content lately, he's getting better with each video. Great work dude!
I owned a 2017 WK2 Trailhawk (5.7) for over a year (traded it for a sports car last month). Summer of 2018 I purchased a used JK 2 door. I took both off-roading in the PNW. I found that I had a lot more fun in the Wrangler. It was easy to work on, upgrades are abundant and it took a lot less trail damage. Air suspension is a cool feature but it can't beat a lifted coil suspension.
2015 Cherokee , way ahead of you guys... love it.
From Alberta ,have a 2021 Cherokee trailhawk. Haven't taken it off road yet but looking forward to it .Have owned a heavily modified 2004 Wrangler Rubicon before and off roaded it lots .
I just bought a Cherokee Trailhawk and I’m so excited to take it off roads
Just bought a 2019 2L turbo Cherokee Trailhawk elite and I love it! Upgraded from my 2015 Cherokee Trailhawk.
Great video. Snow mode also starts the vehicle in 2nd gear to limit wheel slip. Might not be the best mode for crawling over rocks.
The grand cherokee for me. Just bought it last month and loving it.
I bought new back in '05 a Ram 1500 5.7 and back then it was rated @345hp and never did I think it was underpowered! This jeep is 1k lbs. less! 365hp on a 5k lb. unibody is no slouch! Still have the RAM btw!
I owned a 2016 Cherokee Trailhawk V6 and traded it in at 115K miles for a 2019 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk V6 and have done 40K miles so far. Between the two of them the cherokee was smoother on the regular streets feels like you're driving a regular car, kinda of zippy actually with the V6 in the smaller frame. Both handle amazing in the snow all across the western US and Alberta/BC Canada. Off road I do prefer the Grand Cherokee it just feels more solid and confident gripping the ground and the extra clearance is nice. I sprung for the grand because I wanted more cargo room, snowboarding trips with friends and car camping. One major benefit to the Grand Cherokee to the Cherokee was the tank size. The Cherokee's tank was only 16Gallons and at 21-23mpg the range isn't nearly as good as the 26gallon tank on the Grand Cherokee which has been giving me about the same MPG 21-22mpg. This is awesome for long solo road trips when I don't like stopping.
I just slapped some BFG KO2's on the grand yesterday and stoked to see how they perform but hit some nice trails on the stock tires and it handled perfectly. No issues mechanically on the Grand, on the Cherokee I broke a strut and broke down due to spark plugs which I should've taken care of before a trip. Other than that no issues at all. The Difference in price between the Cherokee Trailhawk V6 and the Grand Cherokee Trailhawk V6 is only about $5K so it really wasn't a big stretch, payments only went up $75 a month.
Grand TH hands down. Hemi Pow!
Nice video dude. I want more vids of you because you’re real nice and I get a good vibe from you. Thumbs up 👍
I own a 2017 Cherokee TH and it's amazing. Winter is basically a joke now, but I cannot deny how nice the Grand Cherokee is and the Hemi is sweet in that thing. Great vid as always!
The Cherokee TH is "supposed" to get the Off Road Pages on the UConnect. It's even in the brochure! Supposed to come in with an update. Eventually... maybe... hopefully... someday... :(
x2! What the heck Jeep, where's my update.
Right, I want it now!!
I drive a Cherokee TH 3.2l and the wife drives a Grand Cherokee TH 5.7l . We love them both. It’s hard to pick a favorite, but the Hemi pushes the GC barely ahead for me. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy either again. Had a JK Wrangler and both of my current rigs are a better fit for our lifestyle.
Had a Yukon Denali had a truck had a Range Rover had a land cruiser and this car reminds me of them so I decided on a TrailHawk Elite 2020 Turbo it bad to the bone AWESOME PKG TOW WALK OUT 45,000
I love my 2018 grand Cherokee trail hawk eco diesel. Best vehicle I’ve owned.
Actually been waiting for the 2020 GC Trailhawk to see what the changes are, might have to get one. Enjoyed your review, thanks
Is the Cherokee Trailhawk more capable than the Grand Cherokee Trailhawk? I'd think that the superior angles for the GCT gives it an advantage.
The Grand Cherokee Trailhawk is the better overall choice. But the Cherokee is lighter, a bit narrower and shorter, and has a locking rear. It's close, but the GC is still better.
I'd go with a Cherokee and slap some BF Goodrich KO2's on it. I'd drive it to work every day and when I'm ready for the trail.....I'd leave it in the garage and jump in my JL Rubicon! These videos are great! I like what Jeep has done with the Trailhawk packages.
Have you seen the k03s there pretty sexy
I bought the grand Cherokee trail hawk V8 and its awesome
the elsd is actually rock solid and acts like a locker, and is capable of full locking without slip
Who here thinks that Jeep should build a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Trail Hawk model that would be even more capable than a Rubicon. Say a stock 10k Warn Winch, 2" additional lift, and 34" or 35" Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs. Bad ass.
Out here in Germany you can only get him with a 3.0 V6 Diesel and 250HP. But, according to the german Jeep homepage, it has a rear locking differential.
I think you should take the grand cherokee trail hawk to where you toke the toyota 4 runner . It would be a great video .
That's a great idea, take them both on the same trail at the same time!
I think it would fail. Dodges air ride does not like cold weather and humidity. The air ride on my Dad's 2015 RAM air ride had to be REPLACED twice because of cold weather issues.
Jamal Kh yes please.
guy proulx because Jeep brought the vehicles to Moab no Canada... you do understand the difference right?
As always, your comments are full of ignorant hard fanboying.
I’ve also never seen him take a high mileage Toyota up that road/trail. Does that mean they’re not reliable enough? Of course not.
@@wildbill23c The air ride gives it 10.8 inches of ground clearance and you can fit 2" larger tires giving you 11.8 inches, that is WAY more that your 98 JGC.
I agree with you about the cherokee. I own a 2014 cherokee trailhawk with the V6 and that thing is a beast off road. I was very surprised when I bought it how off road worthy it was. There all great but I agree with you, I think the cherokee is the best all around. Plus the price is hard to beat for an off roader!
i was waiting on this, THANKS!!!
Me too! ヅ
I bought the 2020 grande Cherokee Trailhawk and I love mine!!!
My mom is still rocking her 2013 Hemi Trailhawk with only 41500 miles. I'm there cleaning it and changing the oil for her with Royal Purple because I care about it more than the dealer does.
I love my grand trailhawk.. its red just like in the video.. ima do a review soon
I considered the Cherokee Trailhawk, but bought the new JL instead. I wanted the doors off.
Yay cherokee! 1 more week till I have mine 🙌
How is it so far
Piece of shit.
I have a compass trail hawk. It has great mpg living in Los Angeles and does the job going up big bear trails. Planning a sequoia and King’s canyon trip soon. The compass is not a hardcore off Roader like a wrangler but it’s enough to get you through places 2wd can’t.
Second that 4 run vs GCTH would be cool
I thought he was gonna say "If all you wanna do is offroad and you want a trail-hawk" "Buy a wrangler" lmao that would've been a much better ending
The Grand can auto lock the rear ! Then it can send alllll power to one wheel, that V8 power.
bt4b4 yeah. The elsd is plenty strong enough to fully lock up the axle. It’s quite similar to the g80 locker in theory but different in operation.
@@KTMcaptain LSD is limited slip. Never locks and will never be as good as a locker. It slips by design hence the name.
EGGINFOOLS wrong. Not all limited slip differentials are the same. So making generalities like that is false and ignorant.
A basic clutch type lsd will not slip until a certain torque value is reached. That’s generally low to keep street ability high (low nvh). But as long as that torque value hasn’t been reached it will act just like a locker.
A torsen uses gear thrust to resist differential speeds. That is generated through torque on helical gears.
The elsd is a high pressure clutch pack. As long as the clutches aren’t overloaded, they won’t slip and will work exactly like a locker. Jeeps elsd are so strong that even under heavy torque loads climbing over obstacles the wheel will not spin.
The Chevrolet g80 locker uses clutch packs as well, but is energized in a different manner.
The elsd and g80 could both slip, but stock tires don’t generate enough torque to make them do so. They also are not energized normally so they do not resist normal differential action under normal driving situations.
You’re welcome to watch several Quadra drive 2 videos and see for yourself that the elsd does in fact fully lock up. The WK chassis and Commander have front and rear, while the current WK2 chassis only has rear.
But if you still think clutches slip, then I’d ask you if you understand how automatic transmissions work. Because they transfer torque through very similar clutch packs.
@@KTMcaptain You should do more research.
ua-cam.com/video/KbMZ9vcYVSg/v-deo.html
Also an LSD slips. Period! You said it yourself. After a certain amount it will slip. They might be a little different but a LSD bares that name for what it is. Put the full weight and power of a vehicle on an incline and that LSD will slip. Do that with a G80 and it will lock automatically and power up without slipping because IT LOCKS! How can you dispute that? This LSD DOESN'T LOCK.
EGGINFOOLS first off. You clearly didn’t watch that video lol.
That video shows two clutch packs on either side providing the lock up. They call them friction discs. Lol. It’s a multiplate clutch pack like in an automatic transmission.
A normal lsd slips at a low torque value. The elsd torque value is so high that it DOESNT slip even climbing over severe obstacles.
I’m on my third GC and specifically wanted a Trailhawk. I tried the V8 Hemi and unless you’re towing, don’t bother. The V6 felt more nimble and you notice the lighter weight. The V6 is quicker off the light as it doesn’t have to wind up that torque. Plus you save a bunch. I drive mine out on the beach every weekend and it handles great in the deep sand.
Lets gooo! Another point for the KL fam!
I really like watching them off-road the KL. This new refresh looks even better. The trailhawk is the only one I'd want to own.
@@EGGINFOOLS Love my 15 KL. Would highly recommend. If you have Instagram, you can check out my build @rylancory
I have a 15 Cherokee and an 18 Grand Cherokee, I agree that the Grand is much more fancy and roomy and very comfy just driving around but I am more trusting to go adventuring in the Cherokee
Edit: both are Trailhawks
I have to stick with my Rubicon, only because of where I go. Which can be pretty brutal. And yet, after crawling over rocks and just about everything else, I get on the highway and drive home. 2012 and no problems.
Just test drove a Cherokee Trailhawk... now I might want to buy it
Did you drive the V6 and Hemi back to back. If you did then you would probably find the Hemi underwhelming, at least that was my impression, definitely not worth its $3300 USD option price. I found the V6 on the GC Trailhawk to be more than enough power, it is comparable to a Cherokee TH with the V6, but the GCs 8 speed auto is considerably better than the Cherokee's 9 speed. I currently own a 2015 Cherokee TH and it is probably the most off road capable of the Trailhawks, but the GC is way more comfortable. I would probably have traded mine in on a GC Trailhawk, but after test driving the new Ranger I have decided to wait for the new Bronco.
Need to compare the GC TH with the 4Runner TRD
Got the 2019 JGC Trailhawk
Great review and information
I bought the 2019 Cherokee TH, good to hear that I made a good choice that with all the negative talk about transmission issues.
3.6 or 5.7? And how is your transmission?
Love these Trailhawks.
I had a 2016 Jeep Renegade Dawn of Justice Edition. I loved the size, ground clearance, and heated everything features. The things I disliked were the transmission, rear hatch release location, 4-wheel drive system and halogen headlights. After owning the Renegade for two years, I traded it in for a 2018 Subaru Crosstrek. With the Subaru's power to weight ratio and CVT, it felt similar to the Renegade. The ground clearance is the same as the Jeep, but with the symmetrical all-wheel drive, LED headlights and better build quality the Crosstrek won me over. For me, the all wheel drive system just does a better job in the snow(with snow tires) than the Renegade. In another year or two, I will try another Jeep......probably the Cherokee with the turbo! Cheers!
@@wildbill23c I think jeep called it the Active Drive System. The difference being jeep locked into the "Snow" setting did not split the power left to right or wheel to wheel like the Subaru does. Hence, when driving down a snowy/slippery road, the Jeep would almost dog-track at times and turning at an intersection it would take a wider radius than a Subaru's Symmetrical All Wheel Drive system.
I have overland and a friend of mine own trail hawk .. skids are plastic and you must put protection for the radar camera .. other thing is air suspension will fail after many offroad drive and control arm rubber bushing is not good enough for offroad use + it's doesn't have rear emergency towing hook and no enough space for little bigger tires and you need to remove the abs fuse to shut down the traction or you will stuck in the sand
I have always loved the Grand. I had a 98- 5.9L Limited. It was a bear. Also a 90 XJ and now a 1997 TJ. I also have a 2011 4Runner. My wife wanted a Grand, but I just don't trust Chrysler enough to finance their products. The Trailhawk is really cool. I dig it.
guy proulx, I do. Especially fully outfitted in off-road gear. The 4Runner has larger tires, solid rear axle, available lockers, and more ground clearance. On the road, the Grand is much more polished. It has a nicer interior, and an available Hemi. If they both had similar reliability and residual value, I'd have gone Grand. But I do love the 4Runner.
Great series man. The ELSD will lock the wheels on the GC, but it does have to slip first . AFAIK, there is no way to preemptIvely lock the wheels on the GC. That said, I doubt the few ms it takes to lock after slip would affect the result of any off road trip. We just picked up our 2019 Cherokee TH and we really like it. Very comfortable and gets us anywhere we want to go. It's not a lifted wrangler, but was never intended to be.
I know it's an old video but is there any chance of you guys doing a 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee trailhawk off-road video?
already bought cherokee yrailhawk and absolutely love it
Unless they have updated it, my 2019 JGC TH has a locker diff. In offroad maps, once in rock mode and 4wd low, you hear the locking happening and both transfer case and rear diff have lock signs. Are you sure it's not a locker?
I commented too, he was wrong about that locker comment
Do you still stand by this 5 years later? lol
5:23 Not true, the Grand DOES have a locker. " 4 Low mode locks front and rear driveshafts for low speed power/rock crawling or towing" And BTW... @ 200,000 miles on my 2013 Overland Grand Cherokee WK2 .5.7 and still going strong. No issues
Great videos. I love my 2019 Cherokee Trailhawk. It was the best pick for my needs, while also considering the features, capabilites and cost of all the Traolhawks. I was pleased to see that your analysis was consitent with my own.
Can you put it into FWD mode and increase gas milage?
Great watch! I'm glad I went with the 19 Cherokee TH. It's a solid vehicle.
I just got a black one , loving it !
I have a Cherokee Trailhawk and love it. I am wondering why it does not have the Off Roads App.
At 7:23 you can see the famous "weenie rock" if your phones brightness is turned way down.
Lol. That's so funny
I got the 2019 Cherokee trailhawk for the exact same reason and for the price point of course.
I have no doubt the ELSD can either fully lock, or possibly even torque vector. There’s just no reason to put a ELSD into a top-model off-roader like this unless it does the job better than a true locker. Jeep has a few of those laying around, it’s not a parts shortage, and I don’t buy for a second that a ELSD is the cheaper option for them.
So Grand Cherokee for me. I want that air suspension, too.
If the locker is the only reason why you chose the Cherokee over the compass over the grand Cherokee, ARB makes a locker that you can put in the Compass! American trail products makes a 2 inch and a 4 inch lift that can fit up to a 30 inch tire for the compass! To myself a shorter wheelbase is the way to go off-roading. A two speed transfer case is great but the way the Compass is set up you really cannot tell the difference! To be honest! Less parts to ware out!
I own the Cherokee... I just wish it had a tighter turning radius and more lift... and you could toss in a front locker also. ;-)
The grand’s elsd is better than a conventional selectable locker. Not only does it provide enough lock up to act like a locker (similar to the g80 clutch pack locker), but it can engage and disengage within milliseconds and safely at a much wider speed.
The dual elsd of the wk and commander were so strong that when you crawled up steep obstacles lifting a wheel it would behave just like a locker transferring all torque to the wheel on the ground. I’ve never experienced the wk2 rear only elsd but I can’t imagine it became weaker.
Now reliability and maintenance don’t favor it and they’ve had their share of problems early on.
Idk about the engineering behind their unit, but you could set it up to slip before a driveline part would grenade protecting the truck.
Obviously I’m not saying it will hold 37” tires with 5.56 gears on a crawler. But it’s plenty strong for what the wk would reasonably have.
I have a ‘19 JGC TH with the 5.7 and when shopping looked at the 4Runner TRD Off Road and Pro, the Cherokee TH, and others. Picked the JGC for many reasons but couldn’t get a lot of great info on rear locker vs ELSD.
@TFLOffroad loved the series but please do a video addressing why having the locker might be better than the ELSD. Seemed to be a deciding factor here with not enough details as to why having the traditional locker would be better.
Brandon Duke a locker locks both wheels together.
Torque transfer requires resistance, so as the traction (resistance) levels change a locker will distribute torque dynamically to the wheel with more traction. A classic example is when the wheel lifts off the ground. All the torque will go to the wheel on the ground until it exceeds the grounds limit.
The grands elsd works the same way. Except if you exceed the internal capacity of the clutches it will slip and allow torque to flow out of the wheel with less traction. But jeeps elsd has more than enough capacity for stock or similar sized tires to keep the wheels locked together.
The g80 locker uses clutches as well, but is energized in a much different fashion.
Brandon Duke 2nd reply. Also you can engage the elsd whenever necessary. The locker cannot be engages on the fly and under torque like the elsd can.
Here are a couple videos showing the elsd acting like a locker not letting the lifted whee spin. You can also tell it’s not traction control with how the wheel rotates with with rest of the wheels.
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William Todd exactly! For what the grand is the elsd is great. But add bigger tires and lower gears and it’ll have a tough time.
The nice thing about the elsd a conventional preloaded clutch pack is that the preloaded one needs to be light enough to allow for normal diff action while the elsd comes in only when needed and can be much stronger.
For a dedicated off road rig mechanically locking the axle is much more robust and virtually guarantees maximum torque transfer so long as it doesn’t break something.
I always wondered at what point the g80 Chevy locker would fail as it uses clutches to lock the axle also.
@@KTMcaptain G80 doesn't use clutches. It's a full mechanical locker. No special additives or fluid needed.
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