2 resources for you! A: Here's a pretty cool graph riot uses to determine their "solo queue OP line" twitter.com/RiotRepertoir/status/1121824617344028672 B: Here's where you can vote on which champion you want to see reworked next year! nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/05/choose-a-champion-update-for-2020/#?poll-vote=open
Ur actually dumb if u think hashinshin knows anything about balance, allso orianna becomes meta usually when other mid champions get nerfed to the point they're sht and unplayeable, when oriannas counterpicks get buffed enough she falls out of meta
@@bagohehe969 That's like you towerdiving a cc heavy tank that had 40%hp. He CC's you, you die, and you say he's broken. No, it's the entire point of the champ
Eddy B. If you are Lux, cant see your opponent, escaping even when you have your q w and e ready, you cannot attack him before he jumps on you But instead of making a skillfull champ, they made Rengar that is hard to spot and you cannot attack him until he is close or jumps at you Even tho I landed the q, he still escaped without flash
I can define broken for you. Broken is that one Galio patch where his Q did over 100% max HP... Thinking back on it really makes me wonder how it got to live
Exactly. And character that are harder to play are usually better. I used to hate Invoker for example, until I tried to play him, realizing that he should be OP since what it takes to do so is quite difficult. Unlike Azir, who is quite complicated but you get no reward for learning him.
dota is much different in terms of balance i wouldnt compare it. there are much more glaring differences in each position heroes have, and is generally more team and economy focused than hero focused in terms of balance. if you want to see a broken game filled with overpowered heroes and others being subdued, try looking at mobile mobas
@@drzero8222 azir was pretty good for his skill ceiling till he was nerfed hard, but yeah league is very much has really low ceiling compared to dota and always give mediocre reward
@@incitatus634yes, his kit has everything, thats why he is kept with not so good stats, because else he would be pick/ban champion, to the poin, when his OPT's would have like 75% winratio below D2
Mordekaiser - Riot actually has to keep him as a trash champion and fuck his damage potential or he's completely unstoppable, with self healing, high damage, a passive that turns the damage he deals into a shield and the most broken ultimate in the game, that alone can turn an entire game around. Also even more broken since the rework, when Riot tried to make him a bot laner.
i feel yone is fair. just overtuned. Yuumi doesnt seem so terrible to me other than the fact that her contribution is decieving... since she makes you fight two champions on a trench coat.h Samira, on the other hand... has an ability that rivals sivir's shield as the best defense in an adc, another that rivals ezreal´s Q and a whole lot of mobility, on top of having lifesteal enabled on skills, potentially outsustaining every other marksman with the same build, and probably the most damaging ult of any adc behind missfortune, only missfortune has to channel the ability and has to stand her ground to use it. she just have too much stuff going on. same with aphelios. and i think players that say samira isnt that bad are either samira players, or people who fight her mid, where she cant go bonkers exploiting her passive without a cc support.
Yone is fine. Played poorly, you lose, played well, can be countered. Simple q, small shield on w, no slow, or defence apart from w, e is just for attacks and not defence and his ult is a dash with a knock up. Doesn't seem op to me considering that his q is just a weaker Yasuo q
they did nerfed raged blad so his on hit damage and double strike falls nicelly behind. I think its a nice twerk. he is stronger 1v1 but is weaker 1v5. I liked (i play as tahm kench top and i get countered by him a lot. but its easer to deal with him on team fights now.)
@@cricketcritter8532 not when he is super feed. The aa jgler item and botrk are enough to deal massive dmg, a buff champ like Lulu make him unkillable into some comps. A better 1v1 means more early jgl preassure so therefore a higher chance to get feed a lot in my opinion. Just hate his Q :')
They just nerfed 1 of his core items so that little buff is not a suprise and he doesn't build ad so it doesn't deals more dmg that the old q.its rather a balance change imo.
I think the champions that are usually the hardest to balance either have the most mobility or the most CC. Thats why orianna really doesn't get any flak. Her only mobility is a movement speed buff that also acts as a slow and she also has an ultimate displacement as her only hard CC so not many people care. Too much mobility = frustrating or too strong in solo queue. But too much CC = too strong for pro play. Along with that, her winrate really doesn't get that high and she usually has an average playrate, so I think maybe she's just a perfectly made champ. I think recently riot has been doing a good job. For example, they've done stuff like nerfing morgana's ability to click one button and win every team fight and skirmish. They're much quicker to act on champs that are over-performing, Thresh, Morgana, kayle ETC and also they've taken it upon themselves to try to do a mini rework to the tank class to give them more dueling potential, where many may disagree that "Tanks are supposed to soak up damage not put out damage DUHHHHH," but that black and white thinking is what causes tanks to be so linear in solo queue. They're either too strong or almost unplayable in the meta. Tanks in LOL should feel more like tanks in Overwatch, where while they do soak up more damage than the majority of the roster, it shouldn't be so much to the point where they have no agency in solo queue but out perform in esports. All that being said, I think they should look into some other champs that aren't as noticeable in power level such as Ahri and Jinx, because their playrate is pretty high and winrate is pretty bonkers. This mostly is because of the unnecessary buff to Ahri's charm and also Jinx being buffed twice right before riot reworked the Marksmen items to how it currently is, making crit ADCs stronger. There aren't many people that complain about them so you could make a point out of that's why they're allowed to be that strong, but if that was the case, you'd have many ASol mains asking why riot nerfed their main champion while he was at a 0.36 percent banrate, which IMO wasn't warranted. And though asol was, and kinda still is a bit sleeper op, that kind of inequality is what brings on the memes of people saying "they won't nerf pretty champs that sell skins." Which I think riot should try to keep consistent or there will be more cynical thought and comments of the company being thrown around. Which, maybe riot doesn't really care about, but ruins some of the PRs they have with the community. A champ that I think is hard to balance, that you didn't add to the list, but you've talked about before, would be Yasuo. Yasuo, isn't really that strong of a champ (saying this as a mordekaiser mid player), but he is frustrating to play against which forces riot to keep his general winrate lower, which I don't really think fixes the problem. Yasuo, still the most, or one of the most, banned champions in the game, will continue to be frustrating and a pain to play against, meanwhile you have the mains/players of the champion, playing a champ that, while isn't completely horrible, isn't as strong as he could be because of the nature of his problematic kit. So It's a lose/lose situation. And recently riot's been doing these lose/lose situations alot, where when they put out new champs or reworks that are too frustrating and/or too strong, they just nerf them down to like sub 45 percent winrates and then slowly try to buff them again in the right spots, I think that's fine because it's a quick fix and they're actually doing something, but for yasuo they seem a bit stagnant to do anything, and it's a bit inexcusable for how long he's been around. I get he's a fan favorite so they're afraid to do anything that might accidentally ruins him or his champion identity, but he definitely needs a change that makes him a better champ both in strength and to make him less frustrating. I know that's easier said than done, but I think the first step should be to try to push him towards the top lane. Most of what makes yasuo feel unfair is his windwall, hypermobility resets, shield he gets for walking around, and his recourceless abilities, all of which he needs if he's laning against long range mages. But many mages, are usually super immobile, use mana, use skillshots that get nullified by yasuo's windwall and are pretty squishy in general. so though many don't really see most of what's causing the frustration is necessary for the place that riot wants yasuo in, bottom line, it still FEELS unfair based on what his champ can do based on what the majority of what those going mid can do. I actually had a friend, while we were talking about riven, yasuo and irelia. Talk about why so many people dislike those champs and he said "Well if you look at it, every other champion in the game feels like they belong in league of legends or some type of moba, but yasuo, riven and irelia feel like they're some sort of smash bros character or something. I don't think yasuo, irelia, or riven is a bad design, in fact I really like the design, but I think they FEEL oppressive because they do so much more than what any other champions can do." But yeah that's just my thoughts on the video.
Yeah, no. Morde and Mundo are notoriously hard to balance, being either way too powerful or very meh champions, and neither has all that much mobility and crowd control. If a champion's kit has two modes, those being godmode and failing to perform, the champion will be hard to balance. The same happens with Shyvana, she either spends fifteen minutes farming the jungle and becomes an absolute monster, or she spends fifteen minutes farming the jungle and comes out unable to do any damage. Volibear, also: either he's strong enough to completely dominate earlygame and not fall off dramatically later on, or he's useless. None of these are high mobility champions, but they're champions almost impossible to balance so that they're not too weak nor too dominant and that Riot has plans to rework soon-ish.
Well also her projectiles arent really fast either theres ways to dodge or outplay them. While other champs either have little to zero counterplay ergo free invisi immune to pink wards or large amounts of mobility. Take Diana for example instant gap closer point and click you cant dodge it. Yasuo and irelia with free mobility, yone with the dumbest mobility riots ever thought of. Im waiting for the day they release a ranged carry with mobility that refreshes and just laugh when people bitch
I find it ironic how hashinshin actually predicted the new conqueror rune and also predicted on how riven should be nerfed.Yet everyone thinks bad of him.
hashinshin has really good game knowledge but his bias towards his champs sets people of, he tends to think that any champ that can solo kill him is broken
yeah if you listen to him he almost seems like a whiny child but if you actually analyze what he says a lot of it makes sense, he just phrases it poorly and throws in complaints about this and that being broken so much that ts hard to see that he makes solid points
If he takes the time to properly think about something, he can say reasonable things. But if you look at his gameplay, he often makes relatively obvious mistakes, like going in when he's already behind and has an item disadvantage, but then complaining that the champion he's up against is inherently broken. Same with power spikes he ignores. I rather watch him for fun occasionally.
Riven is a braindead champ played by people with 1digit IQ. You want to nerf the champ. Make a change that forces riven player to use their brain. Winrate will drop by 10points in a few days.
I think a common trait in difficult to balance champions are ones with powerful basic abilities and play making ultimates, primarily Ryze, Tali, and Azir, who have all been very problematic in pro-play. I think a part of this is that Riot has a tendency to underestimate the power of utility/non-damaging abilities. The only time I really remember them taking note of it was when Kled got a buff to his remount time, but they nerfed his W to compensate.
I think a good demonstration of utility being more important than damage is when Riot changed Ahri. This was around when DFG had been removed, an active item with increased the damaged received by the champion targeted. It was core on Ahri and other magic damage assassins. Ahri's E, her Charm, also included a part which made charmed targets take more damage from her. Anyways, both DFG and her charm damage increase were removed. In return, they gave her movement speed boost when her Orb was in the air. So, although she lost raw damage, she became quite strong until Riot nerfed her.
@@vilukisu I think she got the dmg amp back on her E btw! But I agree, those are ultimates that are at their strongest when used in teamplay, and pro-play is the quintessence of team play
dude, azir's ult does a lot of damage. It's actually 150 / 250 / 450 (+ 60% AP). With 500 AP at level 16, it does 750 magic damage, which is a pretty good amount against squishy targets. But I agree with what you said, riot underestimate a lot utility abilities when it comes to hyper carries.
@@vilukisu The Ahri changes literally turned her into the best mid laner of the game, when people at first thought it would be a nerf. She had an actual 56% winrate, shit was crazy yo.
i have to say i want the old reksai ult back. Now you are forced to power gank every f-ing time with her or you are borderline useless just like a assassin without kills. she is listed as a bruiser/juggernaut but you are supposed to play her like an assassin. Am i the only one who thinks that she lost all of her impact after the ult change?
Riot: *reworks Aatrox quoting it was to have an easier time balancing him* Also Riot: *is literally struggling to balance him after rework compared to his pre-rework*
That's mostly because they gave up on trying to balance prerework aatrox, which is a shame because I liked his identity and playstyle more before the change
Michael Cross I’ve seen this type of comment and sentiment ever since he was confirmed to be getting reworked. Each time, I struggle to see how identity has any part of it considering the main issue with Aatrox is that he was only ever good when the items were there to support him. There was the time he came out and rushed a Randuin’s combined with three Doran’s Blades, then fuck all until the mini rework when they redid his passive in a way I hated. I loved the first version of Aatrox. He’s the champ I got my longest win streak on, with 22 games, and he was my fastest mastery 6. So I have a slight ability to say that Aatrox’s identity and playstyle were completely and utterly disharmonious with one another. First Aatrox in lore: Badass ancient demon warlord that shattered the two greatest military forces of the world by starting an all out war between them and slaughtering them all, now roaming the world seeking to find those worthy to be heroes that die by his blood-seeking blade. Aatrox in game: By god I hope you don’t have a brain cell or cc because otherwise I’m the worst auto attacking champion in the game because I got stuck being balanced around the least powerful mechanic: Lifesteal. But if I can stack my passive, I’ll be just powerful enough to match a Jax when I have one item over him. Aatrox’s playstyle was to be safe, stack passive, then go in and proc your passive for a good fight/trade. No matter which way you slice it, passively waiting around and having literally NO options against certain champions is not screaming the fantasy of a bloody warlord demon. Was he fun? Yeah he was. But it wasn’t fun because of a fantastical fulfillment; it was because the champion was mechanically fun to play. Also, there was absolutely no defending the abilities that got removed from Aatrox, which was Blades of Torment, the passive attack speed from Blood Well, and Blood Thirst/Price. Though the only truly removed ability is Blades of Torment, as his old W is just his passive, his old Q is just a third Q + E, and his ult was basically the same. Blades got redesigned conceptually into Chains of Torment, a unique and extremely cool ability. The New Aatrox is one I found to bring myself back into playing my old friend after the mini rework ruined him for me. His abilities had impact, his voice was dramatic, and his playstyle was using your massive demon sword to cut down all who opposed you. Like a badass demon warlord. For me, the Aatrox rework hate was a bunch of bull drummed up by people who thought that the old kit should stay. I will say that it sucks for them that they’ll never get to play their old kit again, but I got mine taken by that rework, so if they want to just ignore that they can suck it up and deal with having the most fun champ in league as Aatrox. Also, that playstyle with Guinsoo’s only worked with the mini rework since Riot didn’t play test it properly. It was a dead item on him before the mini rework, even when it had the arguably more powerful passive of the AoE splash damage. So for an overwhelmingly vast amount of time, the playstyle that defined the time before his rework that everyone loved so much that they protested the changes wasn’t how he was played, nor did it work on him.
@@randomaccount559 I'm literally getting S %20 of the time I lose. Like, I'm 9 1 at toplane, in gold 2 in my main account and literally doing everything. Then 1 3 vayne on my botlane decides that the game is boring and he/she cant get kills so leaves the game. Then fucking jungle follows him because "4 v 5 is impoosible to win". And people call me smurf. Now think it.. İf riot came and said "Well you played this game so hard and got so far, but in the end it doesnt ever matter" and banned my main account for "smurfing", what would happen? Because if smurfs started to get banned and I dont get banned, then system clearly will dont ban the smurfs that knows the system. Or it will ban me... İs it fair? And also, people is not gonna get a diamond smurf in their silver games like every game. Just try to improve yourself. And btw, that smurf could be in your team which if you really think that smurfs easily wins every game in low elo, then you will be getting a free win...
I think Jax is the model champ for this difficult discussion. One of the oldest champions in the game who is almost COMPETELY the same as he was when league was released. His simple kit doesn’t make him bad, it makes him great. He doesn’t have fancy abilities like newer champs, and that makes him consistently playable and fun.
Well, yes, but simple isn't allways the best or the most fun. For example, look at Fiddlesticks. He is equally old and the only thing that changed about him since his release was his passive (from a stat stick to an even less noticable effect). All his spells are point and click and pretty simple and the counterplay is pretty ckear for all of them (Q has low range = stay away from him; W has a break range = run away; E needs additional targets = split up; R has a channeltime = interruot him). His spells are effective in what they do without being inherintly unfair. However, he still doesn't hild up with other champions. His spells are too simple. There is no depth, no combo, no real outplay potential and the combination of point and click + two if the rarest and strongest CC's in the game take up so much of his powerbudget, that the rest of him (like damage, range, base stats ect) have to be incresibly weak. Furthermore his whole kit doesn't really play together, which is why he - although he was once known as a versatile champion - has been pushed away from his primary roles and now finds only little play as one-spell-wonder poke support. Not to mention that neither his visuals nor his gameplay lives up to the fantasy of the demonic scarecrow that he is supposed to be. What I wanna say with that: Simple can be good, but it can also limit the champions potential. While complexity can make a champion overloaded. There is a thin line between those two, having spells that are easy but allow for outplays and deliver some depth. Neeko is a recent example of that imo. If she is overtuned is another story of course.
Are u joking lol :D when they released him (jax) idk somewhere around season 3? not sure... What I am sure of is that they had to literaly delete him from game rework and put back because of his insanely op kit :D That's where the quote 'surprise, I'm back' came from btw
Borek Vodrážka jax is season 1 champion and his problem is that he loses all matchups in plat+ and in jungle he has too weak clear to do something, but the late/midgame is bonkers
Honestly I love these upcoming changes to riven. My only issue with her was that she can e every 2 seconds kind of making her ridiculously tanky because her shield scales with ad which she exclusively builds. Shaving of 4 seconds enables her to be killed and you don't have to pull your hair out that she gets away with 20 HP and you can't reach her because she dashes away to often and too quickly.
I went 7/1 in lane as kled got 4 items while the riven had 2 and a half items what happens next ? Riven goes in 1v3 and kill us all and gets out with more then 70% hp
@@shilon2045 I'm guessing that's because of conq and death dance. But also if you're kled 7/1 no one should be able to 1v1 you, so 1v3.. it's probably that you guys missplayed, and if you say no, I don't believe you
Riven's problem is that she can almost always choose her fight. She has 4 dashes a knockup a stun and a shield so she can literally jump on you stun you and dash off while shielding retribution damage. This trade goes on every 10 to 15 seconds depending on her cd. Its just too good in many many match-ups. Its no wonder that most lol players main her. Yasou is another champ that really does well into many matchups thanks to his low cd his crazy mobility (although its not "free movement" as riven's) no energy. No mana. A free shield that recharges on movement. A wall to block retribution damage by ranged champs. Thankfully due to its style of play and his inherent frailty yasou really get shit on by assassin early game but its scaling is so ridicolous he can easily feed its lane and still come up even or ahead once he gets his 2 core items. This subtle reliability is what makes him an eyerolling champion. If you shit on a scaling mage (say kassadin or zoe or xerath) they become absolute trash come mid to late game. Barely above a cannon minion's damage. Yasou instead will go 0/7 get PD berserker greaves and StatikShiv/IE and he will be able to 1v1 and kill the 12/2 cait no problem. Something not even an assassin could do. In fact he has so much damage in his kit he can go resolve 2nd and be tanky while still dishing out 500ad blows. But see a talon or zed running resolve 2nd and you will report for troll. Why is a bruiser allowed the damage of an assassin? Master yi is just a stupid champ every lower elo player is scared off cause he scales so much harder than any other champ in the game that if he gets fed early is a basic game over (and funnel strats buy into that principle). In reality Yi is really week before he gets his 2.5 item powerspike (rageblade bork and a vampscepter item, either DD or now witsend into heavy ap comp) i mean the only thing he does is RUNNING AT YOU WITH 600HP. He has no soft nor hard cc so basically if you have any kind of cc or burst you automatically win (think Vi does really well into him, rammus amumu and ww also are good counters). Vayne sucks dicks amd the decision to hald her Q cd during ult is just bad design. but rageblade is getting nerfed so at least borkblade vayne is over and Thank you Riot a good adc should still not be able to 1v5 without at least some peel otherwise why the fk wouldnt we all play adcs everywhere?
"Why is a bruiser allowed the damage of an assassin? " this sums up all the problems Yasuo has. Originally he was labeled as Assassin/Fighter, but Riot just forced him into being a bruiser, which by the fact disgusts me. Being a bruiser is a problem for Yasuo simply because he doesn't have a kit bruiser needs. If you play Bruiser Yasuo than EVERY champ who was supposed to be a bruiser does what bruiser needs better then Yasuo. In the beginning Yasuo was all the time built full damage since tanky build just wasn't good enough, but now, you are pretty much forced to build tanky since building full damage just insta kills you in the current state of league, real assassins outdamage you, tanks outscale you and you don't deal enough damage, adc's also out damage you, what is Yasuo supposed to do then? Play bruiser, deal good damage, but get outscaled by all other bruisers so you have to hope that enemies don't pick good bruisers. I don't play league as much as I used to anymore and I have drifted away from Yasuo just because he was forced into bruiser role which he really isn't meant to be. Even if I play league I go for Azir or some shit that is actually fun for me, I can't enjoy champ who is forced into role that isn't good for me. This same reason is why I don't play league a lot anymore, Riot just mainstreams this game, every champ NEEDS to have a certain role, playstyle and build or he doesn't work and this sucks, you can't go and break the meta anymore since you need luck for break the meta build to work since Riot just removes every alternative option from this beautiful game. Sad that League has gotten to this. 7 years have I played and this is what is left behind...
i think another factor to consider when it comes to riven is her animation cancels. the fact that shes able to literally get her damage out faster than other champions makes her inherently broken. if riot removed the ability to do that but made her animations shorter (just not as short as fully cancelling them) she'd be a lot more balanced even with all her gap closers. she exploits a fundamentally essential part of the game, you have to either wait for your animations to play out to deal your damage or in rare cases where animations are very short/nonexistent, champions get balanced with that in consideration so that they arent given such impactful abilities while also being able to basically use their entire kit in half a second.
I just hope that Ryze doesn't get another huge rework. Do whatever you want with his ult but his other abilities make you feel like an anime mage that chains diffrent combos dependent on if you want a shield or dmg or cc and have to quickly think on which one of these you want.
Yeah but they kinda make everyone playing against you question why he does so much damage while running at the speed of sound, insta clearing waves with shields the size of his health bar. But honestly I think his w is the only ability that has to go. Point and click cc has no place in the game to me. There’s no counterplay to getting w pressed on you and just accepting your fate. I think if it slowed or hell maybe do what they were considering and making it only hard cc if he already has his e on you but only slow if you don’t. I think that would open up much more room for counterplay and make him easier to balance. That’s just my opinion though
@@lucasveley5400 Ok Maybe at least change his abilities in a way that makes him sacrifice one thing more if he wants the other one so anyone playing ryze would have to care more and not just getting everything from his kit eventually because he just needs to wait a little bit. I don't care if they make him weaker I just like how Ryze feels to play and how you have to think.
@@lucasveley5400 the main reason there has to be a certain amount of point and click cc is that specific champions would be almost unstoppable otherwise at low elo. Take zed for example, if there were no point and click cc, at low elo all it takes is a moderately decent zed being able to shift between his shadows to basically never be caught. The point and click cc makes him be more aware of the enemies' cooldowns instead of just going ham. Imagine trying to kill a fed yi if there was no point and click cc, and he's good at using q to dodge. You are gonna have a TERRIBLE time
Inuyashapupped I mean you say that like the very few point and click cc’s in the game are the only way to beat yi. Hell you rarely see ryze while he’s not strong and you don’t see fiddle much either so how come yi doesn’t destroy high tier games when point and click cc is the only way to stop him.
Cyprian Michalczyk he definitely does suit the machine gun mage feel. I’m fine with him being that way don’t get me wrong. I just think he has maybe a bit too much goin for him to be balancable. It’s the same with azir and irelia tbh. I love my shuriman birb but he’s just way too problematic.
"next time you will face an assassin as adc, remember they were designed that way for a reason, and each champion should have a weakness, each champion will have some counterplay" Yeah, not in this game apparently.
I mean,what utility does an assassin have if he can’t oneshot the ennemy adc,literally none . It’s your team role to peel for you,but I guess in bronze people don’t know what peeling is .
Pretty sad that they put counter play in the champions design instead of allowing and higher skill ceiling Even more sad when they forgot to create counters to all the more picked champions so they sell skins
a champ who can be "util"(one shot the enemy adc without response) even if his score is 1/8 mustn't exist (I'm talking about rengar, the other assassins have a counterplay decent)
it's very fascinating to watch this video again after 5 months. Champs like Master YI and Tryndamere will always me OP in low elo since one of the can't die and the other having true damage and untargability since both champs are hard countered by one thing and that is CC which honestly not that many champs that low elo players like or seem to like to play provide makes them such terrors and I have no clue who thought it's a good idea to have trynd's ult not scale with points put into his ult having a 5 second invulnerability at level 6 is quite strong. Meanwhile Akali is hyper broken in the highest of MMRs and pro play that she got nerfed so hard that she is not even a champ anymore and champs like Malphite and Cho that are building AP now and become Assassins instead of tanks is definitely not intended design.
Going against intended design is not necessarily bad, it's when they function in multiple roles simultaneously, say tank and assassin. Malphite is much less of a tank of he builds assassin and isn't that much of an assassin if he builds tank. If he builds both, he's lackluster in both, which sounds balanced to me
I might be compeltely wrong, but since I play this game since 2009/2010 I've always loved immobile mages like Karthus, Xerath, Vel'Koz, (used to) Annie or for example Brand when he was released. I've since that always played Xerath/Vel'koz mid no matter the match up because I knew their strong sides and weak ones too. But you can never feel the bitter taste, when even a really fed 8/0 Xerath can fall down to something like Master Yi. I really don't care if I loose or win, but the feeling when you play really well... Outplay your counter in mid, roam to both other lanes with successful kills only to be killed with a character that has a S I N G L E item is just discouraging feeling for people who want to get into League or play it for a while. For me personaly it is really great to have characters like this, it makes you think different and try new things how to overcome this situation, but some champions feels a bit much overpowered when it comes to "First item power spike". Now this game has lots and lots of possible outcomes when it comes to matching up aganist some champions. In role are their personal skill, their division, internet connection and other stuff so no matter what you try and always get your ass kicked by 1 item Master Yi (for example)... it just feels discouraging to say at least :^) I often refrain from speaking about this topic, since League is more toxic then DotA on Russian server whilst not being a Russian AND most of the responces are just some Chad from Gold 1 telling me to get out of bronze and I would speak differently. I've started my rank at bronze no need to hide that, but slowly climbed through over the years. First I started at Bronze 4 and ended up at Silver 2. For a first season when I tried ranked I was quite pleased (I didn't play Rankeds until like season 2/3) and then another Season came, I started at Silver 4 and ended up in Gold 4. Again some progress and I was happy. Another was from Silver 3 to Plat 5. At this point I took rankeds more seriously and as a University Student you have sometimes lots and lots of times but sometimes you don't even have a time to wipe your ass. Well then I tryharded into Plat 1 and the promo for Diamond begun. Sweat on my forehead, missclicking last hits, missing important spells, wasting flashes etc. I didn't make it to Diamond that year, but then the tank meta came ( I think it was around that season) and with my Xerath mid I could only staple my dick to my desk. I could literally do nothing after one of their items (mostly Spirit Visage). And since then I could feel the pain of dealing with "1 item power spikes" only to stop playing rankeds what so ever, people don't play for fun, can really take the game seriously (even at Plat1) and I don't personaly like this kind of place (I have a work place where people are more serious then they should be so why deal with the same shit in my free time aye?) First it was Nautilus or Sejuani that was just pain in the ass to deal with, then it came to characters like Rengar/Kassadin and after the Tank meta nerf I just can't find a spot for immobile champion where no matter the assassin, it will always delete you. When you have no mobility, it is sometimes really hard to succeed when almost every champion nowdays have some form of Dash/Jump/dodge ... what am I even trying to say at this moment... Welp I can't wait for comments like "Git gud" and good luck in the Rift bois n' gals... Yuumi might be useless, but she's annoying af :^)
I think Riven's pitfall is supposed to be her naturally thin skin. If she messes up her escapes, or botches the 'move' part of 'stick-and-move' then you can punish her dearly for it. The problem is that people who are good with her don't mess up often. Which brings you back to the early yasubroke days when his only counterplay was the skill (or lack thereof) of the person using him.
The hardest champions for RIOT to balance are supports. If they make them as useful as any other champions with way less gold, which they need to be efficient, then they thrive in the solo lanes, and if they don't, then supports just don't have as much impact on the game. How many times did Riot have to nerf a support item/champion because it was too OP in the midlane, when it was perfectly balanced as a support?
1:30 that's why bruiser shaco is so nice to play with. Knowledge based, able to carry and as bruiser enough damage to threaten soft targets, but tanky enough to not be worth focussing in a teamfight.
-"That same tank main may despise de ADC who can shred you and kill you" - *Laughs in Rammus* "Ok" But seriously, how do you deal with Rammus other than banning him right now? buffed Cinderhulk, Grievous on thornmail means you need like 5 BTS to not kill yourself by attacking him while taunted...which lasts 3 seconds and his W reflects a flat amount of damage, so you kill yourself by auto attacking him, even if you're a mage and your auto attacks deal 50dmg(? he reflects infinitely more damage with thornmail and W than you're dealing him (I've killed myself to rammu's reflect by using Ruunan's Hurricane and attacking someone else) not to mention the DOT from cinderhulk and increased magic damage taken from abyssal mask. I've been abusing him lately because it's really easy LP
He reflects magic damage and is very reliant on his taunt, if you're an ADC just a simple Mercurial Scimitar shuts him down completely, otherwise any ap champ, bruiser, juggernaut kills him
@@shot040 Well to be fair Vayne can more than likely auto him to death without even kiting him. As far as other ADCs go, you could itemize to win against rammus 1v1, mainly by building wits end and maw, since his return damage is magic, but then why would you itemize to specifically kill rammus 1v1
@@eazy2195 I was thinking Vayne is the exception as she dumps on pretty much anyone trying to get close to her. I just played Xayah against a Rammus yesterday, and it just stood there while I killed myself on him with a standard crit build.
u deserve a medal because this is completely unbiased and a great honest answer to whats going on with balances and not only did u give a great response you left both sides of the argument open. great job!
i remember reading patch 5.22 , the juggernaut , the only thing i remember was the last words in they comment : we turned him into a pentakill machine... i think i got like 73 pentas or something that season in solo queue as darius only
In this game you have different roles a champion can be, and every one of them is designed for an specific application. Every one of them is strong against a particular one and weak against another one and that's how it should be. Now, there are some champions where this logic does not apply correctly and it's mainly because either the champion has too many resources at his hand (broken), some of his abilities are better than they should, whether they damage is too high, it's cc too long, the cool down is too low, etc (overpowered), or a combination of both broken and overpowered. Both overpowered and broken can be fixed, where overpowering is far easier to do (lowering the power should do it just fine) but broken, not so much. When the champion created is broken, in order to fix it you have to make compromises. Firstly, you need to have clear the role it's mainly suppose to be used for, and secondly, changes shouldn't modify the way it was already being played. The problem comes when some of this factors has to be touched while modifying the champion, and if that's so, then they should be asking themselves why they launched the champion as it is in the first place.
Just because most players don't know the game enough to know exactly why a champion is overloaded doesn't mean that part makes it hard to balance. Also, winrate Is misleading that's, You didn't talked about akali,
but as he said, it's about feeling. Some people don't know or don't think about the kit being overloaded, but they might find themselves thinking that this champion is unkillable, or he does too much dmg. and there's a tendency of those 2 answers about the same champ coming out when you ask them. example, yasuo/riven/irelia being either too slipery, having shields/dmg red and lots of dmg as duelists. And yeah,sylas too is getting a lot of proplay even though he has 48% winrate on his best lane compared to other champ
@@alexandregehin8665 you forget that pro play is different to solo queue. In pro play champion s like galio, tahm, ryze, shen and taliyah are way more desirable than in solo queue as they are able to splitpush in late game but are also capable of coming to a teamfight quickly. In early they can also roam way easier. In solo queue these global ultimates cannot be discussed and used as good as in pro play as the pros have access to voice chat. So they can rely on their teammates way more and can be sure they get help quickly when they need it. In solo queue that communication is easy harder to execute. Just think about reworked Galio: he was very good in mid for some time, but now he is played successful as support, just because he has cc and his ultimate allows him to travel across the map very quickly. That's making him so good in pro play, but in solo queue, as far as I know, he's pretty bad.
@@aeleron0577 yes but pro play and soloq stand in the same balance patches. When they balance for proplay it impacts soloq and vice versa. And very good soloq picks are disputed during the draft aswell
@@alexandregehin8665 indeed pro play influences solo queue. And balancing should keep focus on both. But please explain to me why ryze has been a very desired pick during worlds and in lcs despite his 44% winrate in solo queue. Or why the champions often considered in solo queue as broken like Yasuo, Rengar or Riven almost get no attention in pro play. Or why akali is so often used but has in solo queue a very low winrate? The answer is easy. Ryzes ultimate is very good if you can use it as a team, that's why he is so good in pro play. And Yasuo and rengar aren't good there as they have no good possibilities to come to teamfights despite teleport. If we compare Kha'zix and Rengar, two very similar jungle assassins, kha is easy better because he has the same damage as rengar, but is also able to get out of sticky situations which rengar cannot.
I agree with you on most parts but the issue is that a handful of champions and enemy builds in general can very often not be countered as a solo player. A great example would be hexdrinker rush in the mid lane. You open yourself to ganks cause you lack the damage to kill one fast enough and get out at the same time with most AD assassins rushing that, but in the pure 1v1 against a mage this item will make laning barely even possible. The same thing goes for certain types of champions, like most wave shovers and hardcore lane bullies and with those even both ways, as a hardcore lane bully you wanna play aggressive ofc and push your strength, but that opens you up to ganks, if the enemy doesn't gank you, this does not have much counterplay, if the enemy camps you, your counterplay is counterganks but that is not in your power. Also this creates this feeling of "impossible to carry" in many games if you don't play champs that can bypass their weakness through skill or builds. Imagine playing LeBlanc mid, a well hated champ who can kill many champions at ease, especially when ahead. But once you understand that playing a counter into her, like Galio Kassadin, or an AD assassin with hexdrinker rush as well as good jungle proximity makes her having to play backfoot for her entire laning phase she feels super weak. Yes you draw pressure and weaken your enemy by builds or map pressure, but if your team doesn't capitalize on it and you can never expect that in soloQ especially not below high diamond it feels like an imprisonment of a game. Imagine your entire team feeding and them having a nocturne jgl, you best believe you cannot snowball your lane if you don't play a champ which can 1v2 a nocturne gank + your lane opponent. Also playing freewin late game champs makes games a big coinflip in terms of "can your team not lose the game before you can 1v5" like Kassadin. Reach level 16 and in 90% of your games you can 1v5. The current game state is the problem, cause many things have to be played around as team and not as solo person. I know it's supposed to be a teamgame, but nowadays if feels moreoften than not, that the worst player loses the game, rather than the best player wins it and that's not a good feeling for playing with strangers.
An interesting addition to that last point. I used to hate Yi and to an extent still do, but the more i play against him and the more i learn not to play into his alpha strike, the less of an issue i find him. It's an important learning curve that helps understand whether you died because a champion is unfair or because of your own mistakes.
Champions with no mana costs and low CDs are inherently overpowered. They can bully their lane opponent with no punishment. The only counterplay is to either out-damage them (not likely) or simply sit under the turret and try your best to keep up in CS (also not likely).
Personally i believe that the hardest group of champions to balance are those champions that have a high skill ceiling. The reason is that those champions are usually worthless in low elo (Azir below platinum\diamon is usually just a chicken) but they are really strong once you master them...so how do you balance them? If they nerf them they just disappear from the game and if they make them simpler they become really OP. We saw this with Kalista and Azir, 2 champions that were gods in competitive so they got nerfed hard and they just disappeared from the game until riot buffed eworked them.
@@ikkas00 some champs are better on urf than others, some are arguably op - so nothing changes. I believe that urf actually highlights op champions more than normal, and that normal league is impressively well-balanced for a 150+ character game.
@@simonenoli4418 Wtf are you smoking? Hashinshin masters rn and he is hitting challenger every fucking season. He just dosen't bother to stay in challenger that dosen't mean he isn't good at league. Fucking bronze tards...
In a sense, speaking of balance in regards to League is kind of pointless. Rito Game has publicly stated they don't change the game to balance it, they intentionally change it to look the way THEY want (cause screw the customers, amirite?) They even dropped the name "Balance Team" years ago and renamed the department, specifically because they wanted to discard the guise & expectation that they were doing balancing. I do admittedly feel sorry for Rito's stats department (did you know they have a stats dep.? I didn't, until a stats Ritoer posted on the Boards to basically say "We exist! But nobody at the company listens to us...") That fact aside. Most champs aren't as hard to balance as we're led to believe. From a strictly design perspective, it's factually easier to balance a game that has more characters, because you can create niche uses more easily. League's problem is uniformity in the champion roster (why play patch 3.13 Nami when Sona has the same kit with better numbers? Why play Sona on patch 3.14 when Nami has better numbers?) Then there are champions that already have balanceable iterations, but they aren't the current iteration. Rito Game has been notorious for having an inflated ego & being too arrogant to admit their own failures (even when the entire community tells them they failed) which has led to a severe lack of reverts. Sona's best version was her original pre-4.13 kit, it would only need minor number buffs to viable in today's meta. Likewise, for Quinn, MF, Darius, Graves & many more. In recent times, for whatever reason, Rito has been forced into a bit more humility & finally given in to a few inevitable reverts, such as LB, Ahri, Kog'Maw & others, but they still have a long ways to go as a company (which should be apparent to anybody aware of their multiple criminal convictions.)
@@kevinnguyen8631 He didn't specify what he was referring to in my commnt. So I had to assume & I assumed it was the last line. I'm not gonna sit here all day posting 50 links to everything I mentioned.
@@michaelmoore8284 No one cares about the gender stuff it's kind of common knowledge. The stat team thing is interesting though. I think that was the only thing he cared about
13:10 I didn't understand what you meant, but then it came to my mind the Omega Squad Teemo skin. That skin made me surprised how big the mushroom AoE is compared to what I thought
I feel like the deeper issue with stat stick champions is not that they have simple kits, but their kits are linear and simplified. With garen you use your 2 damage abilities asap when close to get your damage out and use w to get tanky other than that you have an execution when in reality you have: Stacking armor and mr on minion farm, stacking armor shread on your e, a silence, a speedup, true damage, cc mitigation, and a qss for slows. The champion plays simply but the kit is overpacked to where it is either too much or not enough. Garen players dont rely off of their skill they rely off of their strong linear abilities to be powerful. The same can be said about all of the other champs you mentioned, Mundo can fight you at any distance because of aa resets and sustained damage, shiv just has to land e and she is doing massive onhit ap %hp shread with just auto attacks, Udyr is literally a spam and rmb champion so most of his play comes from skill expression but since he has no blinks/dashes his build is usually focused around compensating for that, corki has it all for an adc(escape, resets, onhit, a way to ignore armor stackers. The way I see these champions they are like meals served in bowls. To have a balanced meal you need to have your dishes properly equaled out and with individual nerfs and buffs to the champs you can add or subtract from individual bowls(Like adding a protein to a dish) The issues come into play with multiplicative damage from items and runes. I imagine these damage numbers being like the main part of the meal(like the broth). You have to add it to every bowl equally. The problem is is that these champs have too many outlets for item and rune damage to get abused. Buff runes a tiny but and someone who has a ton of damaging abilities suddenly becomes super powerful. Just look at what kind of a monster Jayce becomes when his items/runes get buffed and he doesnt get touched. Looking at it this way I feel like stat stick champs cover a much wider coverage of problem champs in league (Akali, Elise, Sylas, Kayle, Ect) Champions with many outlets for damage vs champions with few outlets for damage will always be either very successful, or very bad.
Honestly tho garen Is so overkitted it's insane. Q- silence, movement speed gain, removes all slows from garen, next auto deals 30/60/90/120/150 damage PLUS 140% ATTACK DAMAGE. W- gives bonus armor and MR up to a max of 50 each, damage reduction, tenacity E- armor shred, can crit, deals isolation damage. R- true damage to current villian, does missing hp damage. Passive- HP Regen after a few seconds. Minions do not disable passive. That's fucked.
Love this comment. People who call Riven, Yasuo, Akali and other skilled champions overloaded are actual retarded fools. This game has not had a truly overloaded champion yet
No it's pretty correct once you look at every champ. Yi- CC, Vayne without her ult is useless, Jax avoid his E, Kled wait for him to use his W since it has a long cooldown and is a major part of his damage, Vlad make him use his W, Etc the list goes on and on and if their counter play isn't in their abilities normally it's in an item or a champ that completely counters that certain champion.
@@catisreckless4647 dude what rank are you? Of course there will always be a champ in every patch that is above others ex: Akali was just absurd when she got reworked and when Zoe came out she was just as insane but we are talking about the overall counterplay that every champion is supposed to have and most of them do well in showing it to us.
I'd love to see a video on why Riot has historically had a terrible track record with designing and balancing AP Assassins. Katarina, Akali, Leblanc etc.
Aurelion to be honest is fairly well balanced, it's just his niche play style that makes him played so little, he's not bad at all if you know the champ, he's kinda the opposite of a lee sin : lee is easy to learn and hard to master, aurelion is hard to learn, but if you put enought time into it, he's quite easy to master. His numbers are fair, he has a very god roam potential, it's very clear what to do to counter him (pick some melee champs with gapclosers (fizz is the best cuz he can even dodge your ult) or just pick a champ that can shove the wave faster than he can), he has some nice flashy mechanics for the more ballsy players, but honestly, you don't need em to be good at A sol. It makes you better ofc if you know them, but if you have a good map reading, and managed to master the basics of the champ, you'll be very decent with him. And honestly it's one of these champs that doesn't feel frustrating at all to play against. If he fucks you, most of the times it's just that he's better than you.
@@lorrisgirinon7991 I didn't say he was bad, I myself play him. The problem is how stupidly easy it is to counterplay him and abuse him. You simply can't play aurelion against a fizz yasuo or even Katarina. The match ups are so bad that even challenger players struggle with this. He is overall balanced and actually really good if you can pull him off but will definitely become not viable depending on the match ups. And if they buff him he will just become overpowered. Never the less he can be very hard depending on who you are against. If you are a good aurelion on low elo you will pretty much dominate. In higher elos it's totally different. People are a lot more aware and know what to do with you. That's why positioning and quick reactions become crucial with aurelion at some point and that's very hard to master.v BTW I believe it is frustrating when you can't trade against him, never played against one but having to pay attention to him and also his comets while trying to farm and trade (since aurelion does it all at once) is probably kinda hard if you are a champion that can't abuse him.
@@truli91 i think the probelm with yi is that he has TOO much true damage in the early game...he is a scaling champion right ? Make him useless early game like a nasus or a kassadin...but once he gets an item he hypercarries..the problem is that he always wins 1v1 in the early against champions that arent : lee sin - rammus - udyr or xinzhao
Yo Exil, long time subscriber, RIven main and member of the notifications squad here. I love to see you shine brother. Keep up the good work and expanding on your content.
Diana's broken. - Her passive won't always trigger at the 3rd strike, but at the 4th one. - She gets her E passive (gain AS for your next 3 bassic attacks whenever you cast a spell), even if she didn't put a single point on it. - If you Q, R into a target, and it dies before you can reach them, your ult goes on cooldown. -Her E passive sometimes won't go off. - Sometimes, when you kill a minions with your Q, R, you won't get a reset. - Her R won't reset if you hit a target before her Q hits it. You R into a target, and throw a Q mid air. The Q travels faster than you, so you *should* get a reset. You hit the target, it gets marked, you get there, the mark gets consumed, but you don't get a reset. - Phase Rush and Nimbus cloak would go off like 2 minutes AFTER you've done your combo. You're going back to lane, and all of the sudden you're Sonic. So yeah, she's broken.
Wait, did you completely forgot you can go AP Shyvana? It has one of the easiest abilities to land, her dragon form E, which is on a 5(?) sec CD (with CDR) and has a 100% AP Ratio and 350 base damage rank 5.
Yeap good old fiddle needs to be reworked. Hes pretty much useless, and his mechanics are so bad. Im not even playing him but i just hate to have him in my team.
Autumn Grace meh. Zed has a a learning curve and he's not too hard to balance. He has a coherent kit that works well with lethality. Your classic midlaner assassin. This has always been since he came out.
You and your friends in low elo not being smart enough to go GA/Zhonyas as a first item vs Zed does not mean Zed is broken. It just means you're building statically in a dynamic game, rather than proactively and reactively building. He's probably not played well in whatever elo you're in, either. lmao
@@superswag4191 ... ironically I'm making this post as a zed main with 465K exp. the part I can't understand is why the absolute hate and constant nerfs that bar him from being good for some time just because first item zhonyas as a mage with tabis can absolutely screw over a zed, while maw of malmourtis for assasins is so bad in both scaling and cost in comparison to zhonyas, yet they still have to nerf zed after 2 seasons of him being bad? like cmon not asking for too much but it feels like they might as well rework him or he's just a wasted character.
@@internetsavage8733 yet nowadays assassins who build lethality like zed and talon are so poor in winrates that even a adc with the same items does better in dps? yeah not sure about the 'coherent kit that works well with lethality' buddy. no joke a miss fortune with just tabis deals more dmg with lethality than talon or zed with lethality.
i hope when they rework shyvana they dont dish out the way she feels, like , i use her in top with tank life steal and lethality , and other people love her full ap, so i realy , REALY REALY HOPE , she end up being usable the 2 ways too, and not expand the jg vibe so i can still use her in top
2 resources for you!
A: Here's a pretty cool graph riot uses to determine their "solo queue OP line" twitter.com/RiotRepertoir/status/1121824617344028672
B: Here's where you can vote on which champion you want to see reworked next year! nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/05/choose-a-champion-update-for-2020/#?poll-vote=open
Riven E nerf is good atleast you have chance to poke here now
Awesome video, Exil! Can you please explain why some champions are listed twice?
Ur actually dumb if u think hashinshin knows anything about balance, allso orianna becomes meta usually when other mid champions get nerfed to the point they're sht and unplayeable, when oriannas counterpicks get buffed enough she falls out of meta
I hope they balance yi for pro play it would be so fun to play him against every chempion and destroy them in soloq
I'm ashamed, but I voted shyvana only because with VGU I hope she'll become cooler.
Riven's quote says all you need to know. "A sword mirrors it's owner". Riven's sword is literally broken.
And another Ironic quote from her is "I will not be broken"
nah riven is just able to take advantage of her opponents mistakes and capitalize on them to snow ball her
@@Madmatt18 yeah the mistake of not picking riven with conquerer
jesus renekephoosh I met a fleet footwork riven once. It was painful to watch.
Oh no! A "riven is broken" comment... You better hide from those riven mains, they're gonna hunt you down now
"So remember when Rengar one shot you, he was designed that way"
Is that suppose to make me think thats fair?
It's the fact that no matter how many nerfs rengar gets...
Some one will always find a way to 1 shot you
Kamień Wodny makes sense why a 1/3 Reng can get movement speed when he is far away and kills me when under tower
Totally balanced
@@bagohehe969 That's like you towerdiving a cc heavy tank that had 40%hp. He CC's you, you die, and you say he's broken. No, it's the entire point of the champ
Eddy B. If you are Lux, cant see your opponent, escaping even when you have your q w and e ready, you cannot attack him before he jumps on you
But instead of making a skillfull champ, they made Rengar that is hard to spot and you cannot attack him until he is close or jumps at you
Even tho I landed the q, he still escaped without flash
Bago Hehe You seem to forget the item Zhonyas or the concept of grouping with your team.
I can define broken for you. Broken is that one Galio patch where his Q did over 100% max HP... Thinking back on it really makes me wonder how it got to live
Or that one Swain and Vladimir patch where they just built Spirit Visage and were suddenly unkillable
@@LandelRey oooh yeah I remember that
Full AP was fucking hilarious in normals then. One shotting a full tank singed while he was using ult was just ridiculous.
Since that patch I dont believe in the balancing team since ANYONE told em how op it was on PBE.
Malzahar before his nerfs doing 100% max hp magic damage
Consider what you can do against them:
Kennen - Dodge
Riven - Dodge
Irelia - Uninstall
Agree.
Yeah I agree but one more thing
Actually around 140 more things
-5 Movement Speed for all of them!
Lmao kennen and riven actually have counters that they cant win no matter what
@@sphyxiaa6999 it fucked her pretty hard actually
LOL: We are trying our best to balance everything so that champion has a maximum of two roles
Dota 2: If everyone is overpowered, No one is
Io: excuse me?
Exactly. And character that are harder to play are usually better. I used to hate Invoker for example, until I tried to play him, realizing that he should be OP since what it takes to do so is quite difficult. Unlike Azir, who is quite complicated but you get no reward for learning him.
@@drzero8222 except like cool playes and probably a shit ton of wins
dota is much different in terms of balance i wouldnt compare it. there are much more glaring differences in each position heroes have, and is generally more team and economy focused than hero focused in terms of balance. if you want to see a broken game filled with overpowered heroes and others being subdued, try looking at mobile mobas
@@drzero8222 azir was pretty good for his skill ceiling till he was nerfed hard, but yeah league is very much has really low ceiling compared to dota and always give mediocre reward
Hardest Champ to balance? Ryze.. That's the reason for 6+ reworks
SRLmusic and a 44% win rate but a 100% pick/ban rate in pro play
u forgot about Azir - he is shit or totally op, nothing in between
@@Mirogniew Azir has the perfect kit if played properly in my opinion, self peel, cc, damage, a shield, mobility, range, dps, burst...
@@incitatus634yes, his kit has everything, thats why he is kept with not so good stats, because else he would be pick/ban champion, to the poin, when his OPT's would have like 75% winratio below D2
Mordekaiser - Riot actually has to keep him as a trash champion and fuck his damage potential or he's completely unstoppable, with self healing, high damage, a passive that turns the damage he deals into a shield and the most broken ultimate in the game, that alone can turn an entire game around.
Also even more broken since the rework, when Riot tried to make him a bot laner.
"RIOT TRIED TO MAKE CHAMPIONS FAIR IN RECENT TIMES" - releases Samira, Yone, Yummi xD....
i feel yone is fair. just overtuned. Yuumi doesnt seem so terrible to me other than the fact that her contribution is decieving... since she makes you fight two champions on a trench coat.h
Samira, on the other hand... has an ability that rivals sivir's shield as the best defense in an adc, another that rivals ezreal´s Q and a whole lot of mobility, on top of having lifesteal enabled on skills, potentially outsustaining every other marksman with the same build, and probably the most damaging ult of any adc behind missfortune, only missfortune has to channel the ability and has to stand her ground to use it. she just have too much stuff going on. same with aphelios.
and i think players that say samira isnt that bad are either samira players, or people who fight her mid, where she cant go bonkers exploiting her passive without a cc support.
but yone is more fair than yasuo, for the fact that he doesnt have one of the best defensive skills in the game
Yumi is fair imo
@@cardgameenjoyer7446 I think the same. It's just weird to face two champions combined.
Yone is fine. Played poorly, you lose, played well, can be countered. Simple q, small shield on w, no slow, or defence apart from w, e is just for attacks and not defence and his ult is a dash with a knock up. Doesn't seem op to me considering that his q is just a weaker Yasuo q
Using T1's clip for corki was just priceless xD
Kate Kuray 7:16
My favourite moment in League history.
Best example of overloaded kit today: Aphelios.
Just stop
I am just happy he is hard to play
@@xuan.1611 the worst thing is he isnt
Mikolaj Diec true XD i’ve just picked him up recently
Best example of op kits
Lux R low cooldown
Too low
Everyone: nerf yi
Riot games: I heard yi needs a buff?
they did nerfed raged blad so his on hit damage and double strike falls nicelly behind. I think its a nice twerk. he is stronger 1v1 but is weaker 1v5. I liked (i play as tahm kench top and i get countered by him a lot. but its easer to deal with him on team fights now.)
@@cricketcritter8532 not when he is super feed. The aa jgler item and botrk are enough to deal massive dmg, a buff champ like Lulu make him unkillable into some comps. A better 1v1 means more early jgl preassure so therefore a higher chance to get feed a lot in my opinion. Just hate his Q :')
They just nerfed 1 of his core items so that little buff is not a suprise and he doesn't build ad so it doesn't deals more dmg that the old q.its rather a balance change imo.
They nerfed Rageblade but changed Wits end so yi can use it.
@@cricketcritter8532
as a diamond5 yi top main i never built rageblade anyway, but the E thingy kinda killed him
I think the champions that are usually the hardest to balance either have the most mobility or the most CC. Thats why orianna really doesn't get any flak. Her only mobility is a movement speed buff that also acts as a slow and she also has an ultimate displacement as her only hard CC so not many people care. Too much mobility = frustrating or too strong in solo queue. But too much CC = too strong for pro play. Along with that, her winrate really doesn't get that high and she usually has an average playrate, so I think maybe she's just a perfectly made champ.
I think recently riot has been doing a good job. For example, they've done stuff like nerfing morgana's ability to click one button and win every team fight and skirmish. They're much quicker to act on champs that are over-performing, Thresh, Morgana, kayle ETC and also they've taken it upon themselves to try to do a mini rework to the tank class to give them more dueling potential, where many may disagree that "Tanks are supposed to soak up damage not put out damage DUHHHHH," but that black and white thinking is what causes tanks to be so linear in solo queue. They're either too strong or almost unplayable in the meta. Tanks in LOL should feel more like tanks in Overwatch, where while they do soak up more damage than the majority of the roster, it shouldn't be so much to the point where they have no agency in solo queue but out perform in esports.
All that being said, I think they should look into some other champs that aren't as noticeable in power level such as Ahri and Jinx, because their playrate is pretty high and winrate is pretty bonkers. This mostly is because of the unnecessary buff to Ahri's charm and also Jinx being buffed twice right before riot reworked the Marksmen items to how it currently is, making crit ADCs stronger. There aren't many people that complain about them so you could make a point out of that's why they're allowed to be that strong, but if that was the case, you'd have many ASol mains asking why riot nerfed their main champion while he was at a 0.36 percent banrate, which IMO wasn't warranted. And though asol was, and kinda still is a bit sleeper op, that kind of inequality is what brings on the memes of people saying "they won't nerf pretty champs that sell skins." Which I think riot should try to keep consistent or there will be more cynical thought and comments of the company being thrown around. Which, maybe riot doesn't really care about, but ruins some of the PRs they have with the community.
A champ that I think is hard to balance, that you didn't add to the list, but you've talked about before, would be Yasuo. Yasuo, isn't really that strong of a champ (saying this as a mordekaiser mid player), but he is frustrating to play against which forces riot to keep his general winrate lower, which I don't really think fixes the problem. Yasuo, still the most, or one of the most, banned champions in the game, will continue to be frustrating and a pain to play against, meanwhile you have the mains/players of the champion, playing a champ that, while isn't completely horrible, isn't as strong as he could be because of the nature of his problematic kit. So It's a lose/lose situation. And recently riot's been doing these lose/lose situations alot, where when they put out new champs or reworks that are too frustrating and/or too strong, they just nerf them down to like sub 45 percent winrates and then slowly try to buff them again in the right spots, I think that's fine because it's a quick fix and they're actually doing something, but for yasuo they seem a bit stagnant to do anything, and it's a bit inexcusable for how long he's been around. I get he's a fan favorite so they're afraid to do anything that might accidentally ruins him or his champion identity, but he definitely needs a change that makes him a better champ both in strength and to make him less frustrating. I know that's easier said than done, but I think the first step should be to try to push him towards the top lane. Most of what makes yasuo feel unfair is his windwall, hypermobility resets, shield he gets for walking around, and his recourceless abilities, all of which he needs if he's laning against long range mages. But many mages, are usually super immobile, use mana, use skillshots that get nullified by yasuo's windwall and are pretty squishy in general. so though many don't really see most of what's causing the frustration is necessary for the place that riot wants yasuo in, bottom line, it still FEELS unfair based on what his champ can do based on what the majority of what those going mid can do. I actually had a friend, while we were talking about riven, yasuo and irelia. Talk about why so many people dislike those champs and he said "Well if you look at it, every other champion in the game feels like they belong in league of legends or some type of moba, but yasuo, riven and irelia feel like they're some sort of smash bros character or something. I don't think yasuo, irelia, or riven is a bad design, in fact I really like the design, but I think they FEEL oppressive because they do so much more than what any other champions can do."
But yeah that's just my thoughts on the video.
Yeah, no. Morde and Mundo are notoriously hard to balance, being either way too powerful or very meh champions, and neither has all that much mobility and crowd control. If a champion's kit has two modes, those being godmode and failing to perform, the champion will be hard to balance. The same happens with Shyvana, she either spends fifteen minutes farming the jungle and becomes an absolute monster, or she spends fifteen minutes farming the jungle and comes out unable to do any damage. Volibear, also: either he's strong enough to completely dominate earlygame and not fall off dramatically later on, or he's useless. None of these are high mobility champions, but they're champions almost impossible to balance so that they're not too weak nor too dominant and that Riot has plans to rework soon-ish.
Well also her projectiles arent really fast either theres ways to dodge or outplay them. While other champs either have little to zero counterplay ergo free invisi immune to pink wards or large amounts of mobility. Take Diana for example instant gap closer point and click you cant dodge it. Yasuo and irelia with free mobility, yone with the dumbest mobility riots ever thought of. Im waiting for the day they release a ranged carry with mobility that refreshes and just laugh when people bitch
How long it took to write this ?
Man that's a lot of thoughts
I did not think i would find kneecaps here
I find it ironic how hashinshin actually predicted the new conqueror rune and also predicted on how riven should be nerfed.Yet everyone thinks bad of him.
Seems like Riot balance team are taking notes
hashinshin has really good game knowledge but his bias towards his champs sets people of, he tends to think that any champ that can solo kill him is broken
yeah if you listen to him he almost seems like a whiny child but if you actually analyze what he says a lot of it makes sense, he just phrases it poorly and throws in complaints about this and that being broken so much that ts hard to see that he makes solid points
It has become a meme to make fun of him, no one looked into it and just jumped into the flametrain
If he takes the time to properly think about something, he can say reasonable things. But if you look at his gameplay, he often makes relatively obvious mistakes, like going in when he's already behind and has an item disadvantage, but then complaining that the champion he's up against is inherently broken. Same with power spikes he ignores. I rather watch him for fun occasionally.
how to properly nerf Riven you may ask?
add a MANA BAR
Oh jeez xd
Would she become bad tho
Riven is a braindead champ played by people with 1digit IQ. You want to nerf the champ. Make a change that forces riven player to use their brain. Winrate will drop by 10points in a few days.
@@1enaic there is no such a thing as braindead champion. Except garen xd
@@ArcadianCatharsis leona tho
What is Balance?
Riot: Yes
No*
more like
Riot: Thats illegal
Riot never heard about balance before.
More like
Riot: No
3:10 that kha just flashed to get the blue when there were no people there. Lmao
Does it really matter tho? K6 is about to one shot everything and the gap of the team kills is ridiculous.
@@fstih07 ah yes this comment is obviously a fucking joke
I think a common trait in difficult to balance champions are ones with powerful basic abilities and play making ultimates, primarily Ryze, Tali, and Azir, who have all been very problematic in pro-play. I think a part of this is that Riot has a tendency to underestimate the power of utility/non-damaging abilities. The only time I really remember them taking note of it was when Kled got a buff to his remount time, but they nerfed his W to compensate.
I think a good demonstration of utility being more important than damage is when Riot changed Ahri. This was around when DFG had been removed, an active item with increased the damaged received by the champion targeted. It was core on Ahri and other magic damage assassins. Ahri's E, her Charm, also included a part which made charmed targets take more damage from her.
Anyways, both DFG and her charm damage increase were removed. In return, they gave her movement speed boost when her Orb was in the air. So, although she lost raw damage, she became quite strong until Riot nerfed her.
@@vilukisu I think she got the dmg amp back on her E btw! But I agree, those are ultimates that are at their strongest when used in teamplay, and pro-play is the quintessence of team play
dude, azir's ult does a lot of damage. It's actually 150 / 250 / 450 (+ 60% AP). With 500 AP at level 16, it does 750 magic damage, which is a pretty good amount against squishy targets.
But I agree with what you said, riot underestimate a lot utility abilities when it comes to hyper carries.
@@vilukisu The Ahri changes literally turned her into the best mid laner of the game, when people at first thought it would be a nerf. She had an actual 56% winrate, shit was crazy yo.
@@henriquepacheco7473 exactly
"but in silver rek'sai isn't even a champion" YIKES
You May laugh, but after one entire year or playinf this game, I thought bkth rek'sai and singed are brand new champs....
i have to say i want the old reksai ult back. Now you are forced to power gank every f-ing time with her or you are borderline useless just like a assassin without kills. she is listed as a bruiser/juggernaut but you are supposed to play her like an assassin. Am i the only one who thinks that she lost all of her impact after the ult change?
@@Ironman12221 btw, what was her ulti?
@@chesster_tesster1061 her old ult was that she could get globally to one of her placed tunnels.
@@Ironman12221 reksai was always an early game junlger her ult is good
Hah mentioning Ryze and Azir even though Akali exists and has been nerfed or buffed basically every patch
True. Since her rework, almost every single patch contains an Akali buff, a nerf or some sort of change to her kit
Thank you for giving attention to my main
I hate Akalis, as an Azir main a good Akali is so unfair to play against hahahah.
Just call thanos so he can balance everything.
As everything should be.
I haven't played the game for a few years now, but I have a single question.
Does Riven still have a shield that scales with her AD?
100% ad ratio brudda
No. It scales with cancer ratio
It scales with the sufferings of her victims
Eyy look at that. I really like these informative vids. Keep it up!
!!! Im glad
coolguy 1029 PIKACHUUU
Riot: *reworks Aatrox quoting it was to have an easier time balancing him*
Also Riot: *is literally struggling to balance him after rework compared to his pre-rework*
At least he died as dumb as he sounded
That's mostly because they gave up on trying to balance prerework aatrox, which is a shame because I liked his identity and playstyle more before the change
Michael Cross
I’ve seen this type of comment and sentiment ever since he was confirmed to be getting reworked. Each time, I struggle to see how identity has any part of it considering the main issue with Aatrox is that he was only ever good when the items were there to support him. There was the time he came out and rushed a Randuin’s combined with three Doran’s Blades, then fuck all until the mini rework when they redid his passive in a way I hated. I loved the first version of Aatrox. He’s the champ I got my longest win streak on, with 22 games, and he was my fastest mastery 6. So I have a slight ability to say that Aatrox’s identity and playstyle were completely and utterly disharmonious with one another.
First Aatrox in lore: Badass ancient demon warlord that shattered the two greatest military forces of the world by starting an all out war between them and slaughtering them all, now roaming the world seeking to find those worthy to be heroes that die by his blood-seeking blade.
Aatrox in game: By god I hope you don’t have a brain cell or cc because otherwise I’m the worst auto attacking champion in the game because I got stuck being balanced around the least powerful mechanic: Lifesteal. But if I can stack my passive, I’ll be just powerful enough to match a Jax when I have one item over him.
Aatrox’s playstyle was to be safe, stack passive, then go in and proc your passive for a good fight/trade. No matter which way you slice it, passively waiting around and having literally NO options against certain champions is not screaming the fantasy of a bloody warlord demon. Was he fun? Yeah he was. But it wasn’t fun because of a fantastical fulfillment; it was because the champion was mechanically fun to play.
Also, there was absolutely no defending the abilities that got removed from Aatrox, which was Blades of Torment, the passive attack speed from Blood Well, and Blood Thirst/Price. Though the only truly removed ability is Blades of Torment, as his old W is just his passive, his old Q is just a third Q + E, and his ult was basically the same. Blades got redesigned conceptually into Chains of Torment, a unique and extremely cool ability. The New Aatrox is one I found to bring myself back into playing my old friend after the mini rework ruined him for me. His abilities had impact, his voice was dramatic, and his playstyle was using your massive demon sword to cut down all who opposed you. Like a badass demon warlord. For me, the Aatrox rework hate was a bunch of bull drummed up by people who thought that the old kit should stay. I will say that it sucks for them that they’ll never get to play their old kit again, but I got mine taken by that rework, so if they want to just ignore that they can suck it up and deal with having the most fun champ in league as Aatrox.
Also, that playstyle with Guinsoo’s only worked with the mini rework since Riot didn’t play test it properly. It was a dead item on him before the mini rework, even when it had the arguably more powerful passive of the AoE splash damage. So for an overwhelmingly vast amount of time, the playstyle that defined the time before his rework that everyone loved so much that they protested the changes wasn’t how he was played, nor did it work on him.
@@malcadorsigilite6120 so a tanky Riven with chains turned out to be better? Interesting
Revi M Fadli
I am tired, and honestly can’t tell if this is supposed to be sarcastic, so I’ll just say that yes, yes it’s better.
Title : *Which Champions Are The HARDEST For Riot To Balance?*
Me : *having ptsd of rengar's story and zed itself*
Dude the PTSD in this game is real, i avoid skill shots from my teammates from time to time. xD fml
Ptds of the old Fiora and the premade Kog'Maw 5 AS and Lulu
@@georgeindestructible Do you just yell fuck everytime you see a skillshot now then?
@@javhm1611 the fiora crit builds tho lol
Ravenous One and the Other You are an ADC main.
you can watch cowsep's mouth and see him say "I HATE THAT ITEM" when the lux used zhonya's lol
1:18 who the hell does the scissors with the thumb up?
a hellspawn
Sneaky RuneScape music. I dig. Been binge watching and you put in so many tracks.
The Lost Grove track could make a good background for the future.
Rivens changes make bad rivens worse. Back to bronze for me!
as long as you play against people as strong/bad as you, it doesnt matter. Have fun in the rift!
@@alexandregehin8665 with all the smurfs running around in iron/bronze/silver i don't think that you can climb if riot doesn't start banning smurfs.
@@randomaccount559 I don't there's that much smurfs. If you think you're against a smurf often that means you should drop in elo a bit
@@alexandregehin8665 when a player is playing unbelievably good for a low elo player than i can't be blamed for thinking that the guy is a smurf
@@randomaccount559 I'm literally getting S %20 of the time I lose. Like, I'm 9 1 at toplane, in gold 2 in my main account and literally doing everything. Then 1 3 vayne on my botlane decides that the game is boring and he/she cant get kills so leaves the game. Then fucking jungle follows him because "4 v 5 is impoosible to win". And people call me smurf.
Now think it.. İf riot came and said "Well you played this game so hard and got so far, but in the end it doesnt ever matter" and banned my main account for "smurfing", what would happen? Because if smurfs started to get banned and I dont get banned, then system clearly will dont ban the smurfs that knows the system. Or it will ban me... İs it fair?
And also, people is not gonna get a diamond smurf in their silver games like every game. Just try to improve yourself. And btw, that smurf could be in your team which if you really think that smurfs easily wins every game in low elo, then you will be getting a free win...
I think Jax is the model champ for this difficult discussion. One of the oldest champions in the game who is almost COMPETELY the same as he was when league was released.
His simple kit doesn’t make him bad, it makes him great. He doesn’t have fancy abilities like newer champs, and that makes him consistently playable and fun.
Well, yes, but simple isn't allways the best or the most fun. For example, look at Fiddlesticks. He is equally old and the only thing that changed about him since his release was his passive (from a stat stick to an even less noticable effect). All his spells are point and click and pretty simple and the counterplay is pretty ckear for all of them (Q has low range = stay away from him; W has a break range = run away; E needs additional targets = split up; R has a channeltime = interruot him). His spells are effective in what they do without being inherintly unfair.
However, he still doesn't hild up with other champions. His spells are too simple. There is no depth, no combo, no real outplay potential and the combination of point and click + two if the rarest and strongest CC's in the game take up so much of his powerbudget, that the rest of him (like damage, range, base stats ect) have to be incresibly weak. Furthermore his whole kit doesn't really play together, which is why he - although he was once known as a versatile champion - has been pushed away from his primary roles and now finds only little play as one-spell-wonder poke support.
Not to mention that neither his visuals nor his gameplay lives up to the fantasy of the demonic scarecrow that he is supposed to be.
What I wanna say with that: Simple can be good, but it can also limit the champions potential. While complexity can make a champion overloaded. There is a thin line between those two, having spells that are easy but allow for outplays and deliver some depth. Neeko is a recent example of that imo. If she is overtuned is another story of course.
Are u joking lol :D when they released him (jax) idk somewhere around season 3? not sure... What I am sure of is that they had to literaly delete him from game rework and put back because of his insanely op kit :D That's where the quote 'surprise, I'm back' came from btw
Borek Vodrážka jax is season 1 champion and his problem is that he loses all matchups in plat+ and in jungle he has too weak clear to do something, but the late/midgame is bonkers
oh and he was broken because there was a stat called dodge and somehow jax could dodge every attack i dont remember
Borek Vodrážka The only thing they changed was his E. His E used to dodge turret shots including the fountain.
11:52 when I saw Aatrox, i knew Hashinshin is coming, this video wouldnt be the same without him
The garen one didnt age well, he is busted now lol
im from future, now they want to make him jungler and have another buff for him ready for next patch...
Still busted lol only nerfed when it hit pro play that one time
still busted lol
Honestly I love these upcoming changes to riven. My only issue with her was that she can e every 2 seconds kind of making her ridiculously tanky because her shield scales with ad which she exclusively builds. Shaving of 4 seconds enables her to be killed and you don't have to pull your hair out that she gets away with 20 HP and you can't reach her because she dashes away to often and too quickly.
Her q still have no cooldown sadly
I went 7/1 in lane as kled got 4 items while the riven had 2 and a half items what happens next ? Riven goes in 1v3 and kill us all and gets out with more then 70% hp
@@shilon2045 lol
@@shilon2045 I'm guessing that's because of conq and death dance. But also if you're kled 7/1 no one should be able to 1v1 you, so 1v3.. it's probably that you guys missplayed, and if you say no, I don't believe you
@@shilon2045 if that happens you just played poorly tbh
Riven's problem is that she can almost always choose her fight. She has 4 dashes a knockup a stun and a shield so she can literally jump on you stun you and dash off while shielding retribution damage. This trade goes on every 10 to 15 seconds depending on her cd. Its just too good in many many match-ups. Its no wonder that most lol players main her.
Yasou is another champ that really does well into many matchups thanks to his low cd his crazy mobility (although its not "free movement" as riven's) no energy. No mana. A free shield that recharges on movement. A wall to block retribution damage by ranged champs. Thankfully due to its style of play and his inherent frailty yasou really get shit on by assassin early game but its scaling is so ridicolous he can easily feed its lane and still come up even or ahead once he gets his 2 core items. This subtle reliability is what makes him an eyerolling champion. If you shit on a scaling mage (say kassadin or zoe or xerath) they become absolute trash come mid to late game. Barely above a cannon minion's damage. Yasou instead will go 0/7 get PD berserker greaves and StatikShiv/IE and he will be able to 1v1 and kill the 12/2 cait no problem. Something not even an assassin could do. In fact he has so much damage in his kit he can go resolve 2nd and be tanky while still dishing out 500ad blows. But see a talon or zed running resolve 2nd and you will report for troll. Why is a bruiser allowed the damage of an assassin?
Master yi is just a stupid champ every lower elo player is scared off cause he scales so much harder than any other champ in the game that if he gets fed early is a basic game over (and funnel strats buy into that principle). In reality Yi is really week before he gets his 2.5 item powerspike (rageblade bork and a vampscepter item, either DD or now witsend into heavy ap comp) i mean the only thing he does is RUNNING AT YOU WITH 600HP. He has no soft nor hard cc so basically if you have any kind of cc or burst you automatically win (think Vi does really well into him, rammus amumu and ww also are good counters).
Vayne sucks dicks amd the decision to hald her Q cd during ult is just bad design. but rageblade is getting nerfed so at least borkblade vayne is over and Thank you Riot a good adc should still not be able to 1v5 without at least some peel otherwise why the fk wouldnt we all play adcs everywhere?
"Why is a bruiser allowed the damage of an assassin? " this sums up all the problems Yasuo has. Originally he was labeled as Assassin/Fighter, but Riot just forced him into being a bruiser, which by the fact disgusts me. Being a bruiser is a problem for Yasuo simply because he doesn't have a kit bruiser needs. If you play Bruiser Yasuo than EVERY champ who was supposed to be a bruiser does what bruiser needs better then Yasuo. In the beginning Yasuo was all the time built full damage since tanky build just wasn't good enough, but now, you are pretty much forced to build tanky since building full damage just insta kills you in the current state of league, real assassins outdamage you, tanks outscale you and you don't deal enough damage, adc's also out damage you, what is Yasuo supposed to do then? Play bruiser, deal good damage, but get outscaled by all other bruisers so you have to hope that enemies don't pick good bruisers. I don't play league as much as I used to anymore and I have drifted away from Yasuo just because he was forced into bruiser role which he really isn't meant to be. Even if I play league I go for Azir or some shit that is actually fun for me, I can't enjoy champ who is forced into role that isn't good for me. This same reason is why I don't play league a lot anymore, Riot just mainstreams this game, every champ NEEDS to have a certain role, playstyle and build or he doesn't work and this sucks, you can't go and break the meta anymore since you need luck for break the meta build to work since Riot just removes every alternative option from this beautiful game. Sad that League has gotten to this. 7 years have I played and this is what is left behind...
i think another factor to consider when it comes to riven is her animation cancels. the fact that shes able to literally get her damage out faster than other champions makes her inherently broken. if riot removed the ability to do that but made her animations shorter (just not as short as fully cancelling them) she'd be a lot more balanced even with all her gap closers. she exploits a fundamentally essential part of the game, you have to either wait for your animations to play out to deal your damage or in rare cases where animations are very short/nonexistent, champions get balanced with that in consideration so that they arent given such impactful abilities while also being able to basically use their entire kit in half a second.
yasuo is not a bruiser if you mean fighter he is a skirmisher from the slayer class.
Evry champion have counterplay. Well reworked akali disagreed :D
they changed that though
Balance: *exist*
Akali:
*¡A NEW FOE HAS APPEARED!*
more like zed
U dEaD iAm AliVe SeE bAlAnCe
I really like how objectively and constructively you made your points. Really good video!
Thank you!!
I just hope that Ryze doesn't get another huge rework. Do whatever you want with his ult but his other abilities make you feel like an anime mage that chains diffrent combos dependent on if you want a shield or dmg or cc and have to quickly think on which one of these you want.
Yeah but they kinda make everyone playing against you question why he does so much damage while running at the speed of sound, insta clearing waves with shields the size of his health bar. But honestly I think his w is the only ability that has to go. Point and click cc has no place in the game to me. There’s no counterplay to getting w pressed on you and just accepting your fate. I think if it slowed or hell maybe do what they were considering and making it only hard cc if he already has his e on you but only slow if you don’t. I think that would open up much more room for counterplay and make him easier to balance. That’s just my opinion though
@@lucasveley5400 Ok Maybe at least change his abilities in a way that makes him sacrifice one thing more if he wants the other one so anyone playing ryze would have to care more and not just getting everything from his kit eventually because he just needs to wait a little bit. I don't care if they make him weaker I just like how Ryze feels to play and how you have to think.
@@lucasveley5400 the main reason there has to be a certain amount of point and click cc is that specific champions would be almost unstoppable otherwise at low elo. Take zed for example, if there were no point and click cc, at low elo all it takes is a moderately decent zed being able to shift between his shadows to basically never be caught. The point and click cc makes him be more aware of the enemies' cooldowns instead of just going ham. Imagine trying to kill a fed yi if there was no point and click cc, and he's good at using q to dodge. You are gonna have a TERRIBLE time
Inuyashapupped I mean you say that like the very few point and click cc’s in the game are the only way to beat yi. Hell you rarely see ryze while he’s not strong and you don’t see fiddle much either so how come yi doesn’t destroy high tier games when point and click cc is the only way to stop him.
Cyprian Michalczyk he definitely does suit the machine gun mage feel. I’m fine with him being that way don’t get me wrong. I just think he has maybe a bit too much goin for him to be balancable. It’s the same with azir and irelia tbh. I love my shuriman birb but he’s just way too problematic.
11:55 talking about fairness in recent times while showing a clip of Aatrox, a champion that is still top tier pick/ban, LOL! good one
Agreed, I faced an enemy Aatrox that healed back everything instantly, nothing chunked him :/
Bet you are smiling now lel
One of the best counterpicks to ranged AD back in the day had to be AD Ahri.
That was a seriously fun, but very overpowered way of playing
the udyr one reminded me of that meta when he was literally unkillable cause he'll just run away as fast as he could. Was a permaban for me back then
Make a Mordekaiser video :)
cool to meet you here, fellow morde main brother
Cool crossover episode
Mordekaiser 19/2 : Lets kill those noobs top
Riven, Yasuo and Irelia 2/9 : Cant catch me :D
I am also a morde main ._.
Great vid, dude, it remainded me of the old Jeremy Gaming Curious style.
"next time you will face an assassin as adc, remember they were designed that way for a reason, and each champion should have a weakness, each champion will have some counterplay"
Yeah, not in this game apparently.
I mean,what utility does an assassin have if he can’t oneshot the ennemy adc,literally none .
It’s your team role to peel for you,but I guess in bronze people don’t know what peeling is .
Pretty sad that they put counter play in the champions design instead of allowing and higher skill ceiling
Even more sad when they forgot to create counters to all the more picked champions so they sell skins
a champ who can be "util"(one shot the enemy adc without response) even if his score is 1/8 mustn't exist (I'm talking about rengar, the other assassins have a counterplay decent)
If master yi builds full atk spd, he can just spam his untargetable move, and the only thing you can do is wait and hope that they run out of mana.
yi is really weak rn notice he isn't used in high elo? he is easy to counter with high cc comp and be one shotted by the enemy. so you're wrong ;-)
@@2weekvacation536 Yi has always been weak to CC
Even back when people used to play AP Yi
it's very fascinating to watch this video again after 5 months.
Champs like Master YI and Tryndamere will always me OP in low elo since one of the can't die and the other having true damage and untargability since both champs are hard countered by one thing and that is CC which honestly not that many champs that low elo players like or seem to like to play provide makes them such terrors and I have no clue who thought it's a good idea to have trynd's ult not scale with points put into his ult having a 5 second invulnerability at level 6 is quite strong.
Meanwhile Akali is hyper broken in the highest of MMRs and pro play that she got nerfed so hard that she is not even a champ anymore and champs like Malphite and Cho that are building AP now and become Assassins instead of tanks is definitely not intended design.
Going against intended design is not necessarily bad, it's when they function in multiple roles simultaneously, say tank and assassin. Malphite is much less of a tank of he builds assassin and isn't that much of an assassin if he builds tank. If he builds both, he's lackluster in both, which sounds balanced to me
9:42 "They have too much in their kit. The best recent example has to be the Irelia rework"
Riot releasing Aphelios: Hold my beer
I might be compeltely wrong, but since I play this game since 2009/2010 I've always loved immobile mages like Karthus, Xerath, Vel'Koz, (used to) Annie or for example Brand when he was released.
I've since that always played Xerath/Vel'koz mid no matter the match up because I knew their strong sides and weak ones too.
But you can never feel the bitter taste, when even a really fed 8/0 Xerath can fall down to something like Master Yi.
I really don't care if I loose or win, but the feeling when you play really well... Outplay your counter in mid, roam to both other lanes with successful kills only to be killed with a character that has a S I N G L E item is just discouraging feeling for people who want to get into League or play it for a while.
For me personaly it is really great to have characters like this, it makes you think different and try new things how to overcome this situation, but some champions feels a bit much overpowered when it comes to "First item power spike".
Now this game has lots and lots of possible outcomes when it comes to matching up aganist some champions.
In role are their personal skill, their division, internet connection and other stuff so no matter what you try and always get your ass kicked by 1 item Master Yi (for example)... it just feels discouraging to say at least :^)
I often refrain from speaking about this topic, since League is more toxic then DotA on Russian server whilst not being a Russian AND most of the responces are just some Chad from Gold 1 telling me to get out of bronze and I would speak differently.
I've started my rank at bronze no need to hide that, but slowly climbed through over the years.
First I started at Bronze 4 and ended up at Silver 2.
For a first season when I tried ranked I was quite pleased (I didn't play Rankeds until like season 2/3) and then another Season came, I started at Silver 4 and ended up in Gold 4.
Again some progress and I was happy.
Another was from Silver 3 to Plat 5.
At this point I took rankeds more seriously and as a University Student you have sometimes lots and lots of times but sometimes you don't even have a time to wipe your ass.
Well then I tryharded into Plat 1 and the promo for Diamond begun.
Sweat on my forehead, missclicking last hits, missing important spells, wasting flashes etc.
I didn't make it to Diamond that year, but then the tank meta came ( I think it was around that season) and with my Xerath mid I could only staple my dick to my desk.
I could literally do nothing after one of their items (mostly Spirit Visage).
And since then I could feel the pain of dealing with "1 item power spikes" only to stop playing rankeds what so ever, people don't play for fun, can really take the game seriously (even at Plat1) and I don't personaly like this kind of place (I have a work place where people are more serious then they should be so why deal with the same shit in my free time aye?)
First it was Nautilus or Sejuani that was just pain in the ass to deal with, then it came to characters like Rengar/Kassadin and after the Tank meta nerf I just can't find a spot for immobile champion where no matter the assassin, it will always delete you.
When you have no mobility, it is sometimes really hard to succeed when almost every champion nowdays have some form of Dash/Jump/dodge ... what am I even trying to say at this moment...
Welp I can't wait for comments like "Git gud" and good luck in the Rift bois n' gals...
Yuumi might be useless, but she's annoying af :^)
If only people had 10% of your mentality League would be such a nicer place.
I think Riven's pitfall is supposed to be her naturally thin skin. If she messes up her escapes, or botches the 'move' part of 'stick-and-move' then you can punish her dearly for it. The problem is that people who are good with her don't mess up often. Which brings you back to the early yasubroke days when his only counterplay was the skill (or lack thereof) of the person using him.
The hardest champions for RIOT to balance are supports.
If they make them as useful as any other champions with way less gold, which they need to be efficient, then they thrive in the solo lanes, and if they don't, then supports just don't have as much impact on the game. How many times did Riot have to nerf a support item/champion because it was too OP in the midlane, when it was perfectly balanced as a support?
This is too true.. :D (Still waiting for riot to stop nerfing rakan,ma boi doesnt need any nerf anymore)
And if they buff support items. You have to deal with people taking mages to the bot lane.
Lol, "In silver, Rek'sai isn't even a champion" this is why i abuse reksai in Gold xD
7:03 CORKI ATTACK SPEED [*] 0.638 right now, back in the day it was 0.7 something, got nerfed to the ground
Remember when Corki dealt TRUE damage on his basic attacks
Good vid really hits the main points of the balancing aspect of league
1:30 that's why bruiser shaco is so nice to play with. Knowledge based, able to carry and as bruiser enough damage to threaten soft targets, but tanky enough to not be worth focussing in a teamfight.
Bruh no way you defending shaco😂
The little bar on health to indicate execution threshold for Pyke/Cho'gath is such a big help.
-"That same tank main may despise de ADC who can shred you and kill you"
- *Laughs in Rammus* "Ok"
But seriously, how do you deal with Rammus other than banning him right now? buffed Cinderhulk, Grievous on thornmail means you need like 5 BTS to not kill yourself by attacking him while taunted...which lasts 3 seconds and his W reflects a flat amount of damage, so you kill yourself by auto attacking him, even if you're a mage and your auto attacks deal 50dmg(? he reflects infinitely more damage with thornmail and W than you're dealing him (I've killed myself to rammu's reflect by using Ruunan's Hurricane and attacking someone else) not to mention the DOT from cinderhulk and increased magic damage taken from abyssal mask. I've been abusing him lately because it's really easy LP
Need casters to deal with him and peel
He reflects magic damage and is very reliant on his taunt, if you're an ADC just a simple Mercurial Scimitar shuts him down completely, otherwise any ap champ, bruiser, juggernaut kills him
have to wait out the w, but then you just get autoed down. you lose the 1v1 as an adc lol. I think it's fair, but I hate adc's.
@@shot040 Well to be fair Vayne can more than likely auto him to death without even kiting him.
As far as other ADCs go, you could itemize to win against rammus 1v1, mainly by building wits end and maw, since his return damage is magic, but then why would you itemize to specifically kill rammus 1v1
@@eazy2195 I was thinking Vayne is the exception as she dumps on pretty much anyone trying to get close to her. I just played Xayah against a Rammus yesterday, and it just stood there while I killed myself on him with a standard crit build.
All champs are stat checked. Gives 200 hp or 800 hp to a champion, and they go from too strong to too weak.
u deserve a medal because this is completely unbiased and a great honest answer to whats going on with balances and not only did u give a great response you left both sides of the argument open. great job!
i remember reading patch 5.22 , the juggernaut , the only thing i remember was the last words in they comment : we turned him into a pentakill machine... i think i got like 73 pentas or something that season in solo queue as darius only
In this game you have different roles a champion can be, and every one of them is designed for an specific application. Every one of them is strong against a particular one and weak against another one and that's how it should be.
Now, there are some champions where this logic does not apply correctly and it's mainly because either the champion has too many resources at his hand (broken), some of his abilities are better than they should, whether they damage is too high, it's cc too long, the cool down is too low, etc (overpowered), or a combination of both broken and overpowered.
Both overpowered and broken can be fixed, where overpowering is far easier to do (lowering the power should do it just fine) but broken, not so much.
When the champion created is broken, in order to fix it you have to make compromises. Firstly, you need to have clear the role it's mainly suppose to be used for, and secondly, changes shouldn't modify the way it was already being played.
The problem comes when some of this factors has to be touched while modifying the champion, and if that's so, then they should be asking themselves why they launched the champion as it is in the first place.
You make such good videos. I’ve been watching them for quite some time now and I am not sure why I haven’t subscribed sooner. Keep it up mate
Im glad to hear it that makes me happy!
Hey exil, did you leave the mobalytics team? If so why? I miss your voice in every video, (only if you want to Talk about It)
If u want to hear him some times u must watch Pro guides
Hey! Im apart of the proguides team now!
@@Exil22 okay then, so its time to swap to team proguides jk, btw what made you leave mobalytics?
Agustín Tapia money money money money money money
Just because most players don't know the game enough to know exactly why a champion is overloaded doesn't mean that part makes it hard to balance.
Also, winrate Is misleading that's, You didn't talked about akali,
but as he said, it's about feeling. Some people don't know or don't think about the kit being overloaded, but they might find themselves thinking that this champion is unkillable, or he does too much dmg. and there's a tendency of those 2 answers about the same champ coming out when you ask them. example, yasuo/riven/irelia being either too slipery, having shields/dmg red and lots of dmg as duelists.
And yeah,sylas too is getting a lot of proplay even though he has 48% winrate on his best lane compared to other champ
@@alexandregehin8665 you forget that pro play is different to solo queue. In pro play champion s like galio, tahm, ryze, shen and taliyah are way more desirable than in solo queue as they are able to splitpush in late game but are also capable of coming to a teamfight quickly. In early they can also roam way easier. In solo queue these global ultimates cannot be discussed and used as good as in pro play as the pros have access to voice chat. So they can rely on their teammates way more and can be sure they get help quickly when they need it. In solo queue that communication is easy harder to execute. Just think about reworked Galio: he was very good in mid for some time, but now he is played successful as support, just because he has cc and his ultimate allows him to travel across the map very quickly. That's making him so good in pro play, but in solo queue, as far as I know, he's pretty bad.
@@aeleron0577 yes but pro play and soloq stand in the same balance patches. When they balance for proplay it impacts soloq and vice versa. And very good soloq picks are disputed during the draft aswell
@@alexandregehin8665 indeed pro play influences solo queue. And balancing should keep focus on both. But please explain to me why ryze has been a very desired pick during worlds and in lcs despite his 44% winrate in solo queue. Or why the champions often considered in solo queue as broken like Yasuo, Rengar or Riven almost get no attention in pro play. Or why akali is so often used but has in solo queue a very low winrate?
The answer is easy. Ryzes ultimate is very good if you can use it as a team, that's why he is so good in pro play. And Yasuo and rengar aren't good there as they have no good possibilities to come to teamfights despite teleport. If we compare Kha'zix and Rengar, two very similar jungle assassins, kha is easy better because he has the same damage as rengar, but is also able to get out of sticky situations which rengar cannot.
I agree with you on most parts but the issue is that a handful of champions and enemy builds in general can very often not be countered as a solo player. A great example would be hexdrinker rush in the mid lane. You open yourself to ganks cause you lack the damage to kill one fast enough and get out at the same time with most AD assassins rushing that, but in the pure 1v1 against a mage this item will make laning barely even possible. The same thing goes for certain types of champions, like most wave shovers and hardcore lane bullies and with those even both ways, as a hardcore lane bully you wanna play aggressive ofc and push your strength, but that opens you up to ganks, if the enemy doesn't gank you, this does not have much counterplay, if the enemy camps you, your counterplay is counterganks but that is not in your power. Also this creates this feeling of "impossible to carry" in many games if you don't play champs that can bypass their weakness through skill or builds. Imagine playing LeBlanc mid, a well hated champ who can kill many champions at ease, especially when ahead. But once you understand that playing a counter into her, like Galio Kassadin, or an AD assassin with hexdrinker rush as well as good jungle proximity makes her having to play backfoot for her entire laning phase she feels super weak. Yes you draw pressure and weaken your enemy by builds or map pressure, but if your team doesn't capitalize on it and you can never expect that in soloQ especially not below high diamond it feels like an imprisonment of a game. Imagine your entire team feeding and them having a nocturne jgl, you best believe you cannot snowball your lane if you don't play a champ which can 1v2 a nocturne gank + your lane opponent. Also playing freewin late game champs makes games a big coinflip in terms of "can your team not lose the game before you can 1v5" like Kassadin. Reach level 16 and in 90% of your games you can 1v5. The current game state is the problem, cause many things have to be played around as team and not as solo person. I know it's supposed to be a teamgame, but nowadays if feels moreoften than not, that the worst player loses the game, rather than the best player wins it and that's not a good feeling for playing with strangers.
An interesting addition to that last point.
I used to hate Yi and to an extent still do, but the more i play against him and the more i learn not to play into his alpha strike, the less of an issue i find him.
It's an important learning curve that helps understand whether you died because a champion is unfair or because of your own mistakes.
"...or the next time master yi gets a penta kill..."
"...each champion in theory should have some weaknesses and some strenghts.."
DaJackob yis strength is killing the entire team. His weakness is minion block... oh wait
Don't forget, he will be buffed soon :)
@M. Woller you see, he can dodge cc with his q, which has almost 0 cooldown with the reduction by his auto attacks!
If you’re playing against yi shouldn’t you be punishing his early game by picking good early game jglers?
@@tevitateulilo7573 he will just afk farm, or ask for help by him team.
Champions with no mana costs and low CDs are inherently overpowered. They can bully their lane opponent with no punishment. The only counterplay is to either out-damage them (not likely) or simply sit under the turret and try your best to keep up in CS (also not likely).
Personally i believe that the hardest group of champions to balance are those champions that have a high skill ceiling.
The reason is that those champions are usually worthless in low elo (Azir below platinum\diamon is usually just a chicken) but they are really strong once you master them...so how do you balance them?
If they nerf them they just disappear from the game and if they make them simpler they become really OP.
We saw this with Kalista and Azir, 2 champions that were gods in competitive so they got nerfed hard and they just disappeared from the game until riot buffed
eworked them.
They should maybe consider not making so many hard to play champions since they clearly don't know how to balance them
Gostiv Nah, just make all the champions broken so everything is balanced.
Lmao yeah thats better
@@gustav5359 just make everything urf at that point
@@ikkas00 some champs are better on urf than others, some are arguably op - so nothing changes. I believe that urf actually highlights op champions more than normal, and that normal league is impressively well-balanced for a 150+ character game.
*waits the entire video for the mention of Ahri*
*comes across **13:49*
"Yes, perfect."
7:16 og tyler1. Run it down mid lol
What needs to be changed?
Hashinshin: Yes
He's probably complained about everything in this game by now.
Hashinshin isnt good at league. But he isnt wrong about most of what he says.
@@simonenoli4418 Wtf are you smoking? Hashinshin masters rn and he is hitting challenger every fucking season. He just dosen't bother to stay in challenger that dosen't mean he isn't good at league. Fucking bronze tards...
I feel like I'm the only one who has something against Nasus and i think thats the reason I'm in silver 3.
dannymoed play him
@@darkproxy_ I don't really like playing top lane tho. I'm maining jungle and also play some mid
Get a kiter and dont leave him to farm alone, cc when he ults
Nasus is trash right now lmao, you pick riven, teemo, rumble, Jax and you fuck his ass real hard, he loses to almost every toplane matchup.
@@leeroy1961 Lose lane, Win game.
In a sense, speaking of balance in regards to League is kind of pointless. Rito Game has publicly stated they don't change the game to balance it, they intentionally change it to look the way THEY want (cause screw the customers, amirite?) They even dropped the name "Balance Team" years ago and renamed the department, specifically because they wanted to discard the guise & expectation that they were doing balancing. I do admittedly feel sorry for Rito's stats department (did you know they have a stats dep.? I didn't, until a stats Ritoer posted on the Boards to basically say "We exist! But nobody at the company listens to us...")
That fact aside. Most champs aren't as hard to balance as we're led to believe. From a strictly design perspective, it's factually easier to balance a game that has more characters, because you can create niche uses more easily. League's problem is uniformity in the champion roster (why play patch 3.13 Nami when Sona has the same kit with better numbers? Why play Sona on patch 3.14 when Nami has better numbers?)
Then there are champions that already have balanceable iterations, but they aren't the current iteration. Rito Game has been notorious for having an inflated ego & being too arrogant to admit their own failures (even when the entire community tells them they failed) which has led to a severe lack of reverts. Sona's best version was her original pre-4.13 kit, it would only need minor number buffs to viable in today's meta. Likewise, for Quinn, MF, Darius, Graves & many more. In recent times, for whatever reason, Rito has been forced into a bit more humility & finally given in to a few inevitable reverts, such as LB, Ahri, Kog'Maw & others, but they still have a long ways to go as a company (which should be apparent to anybody aware of their multiple criminal convictions.)
Can you give me the link to these posts. I want check them out.
@@killermlg5360 www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-riot-games-gender-discrimination-investigation-20190612-story.html
www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tn-riot-games-arbitration-sexual-harassment-discrimination-20190517-story.html
www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/25217685/riot-sued-gender-discrimination
@@michaelmoore8284 doesn't that deal with gender inequality rather than balance though
@@kevinnguyen8631 He didn't specify what he was referring to in my commnt. So I had to assume & I assumed it was the last line. I'm not gonna sit here all day posting 50 links to everything I mentioned.
@@michaelmoore8284 No one cares about the gender stuff it's kind of common knowledge. The stat team thing is interesting though. I think that was the only thing he cared about
13:10 I didn't understand what you meant, but then it came to my mind the Omega Squad Teemo skin. That skin made me surprised how big the mushroom AoE is compared to what I thought
I feel like the deeper issue with stat stick champions is not that they have simple kits, but their kits are linear and simplified. With garen you use your 2 damage abilities asap when close to get your damage out and use w to get tanky other than that you have an execution when in reality you have: Stacking armor and mr on minion farm, stacking armor shread on your e, a silence, a speedup, true damage, cc mitigation, and a qss for slows. The champion plays simply but the kit is overpacked to where it is either too much or not enough. Garen players dont rely off of their skill they rely off of their strong linear abilities to be powerful. The same can be said about all of the other champs you mentioned, Mundo can fight you at any distance because of aa resets and sustained damage, shiv just has to land e and she is doing massive onhit ap %hp shread with just auto attacks, Udyr is literally a spam and rmb champion so most of his play comes from skill expression but since he has no blinks/dashes his build is usually focused around compensating for that, corki has it all for an adc(escape, resets, onhit, a way to ignore armor stackers.
The way I see these champions they are like meals served in bowls.
To have a balanced meal you need to have your dishes properly equaled out and with individual nerfs and buffs to the champs you can add or subtract from individual bowls(Like adding a protein to a dish)
The issues come into play with multiplicative damage from items and runes. I imagine these damage numbers being like the main part of the meal(like the broth). You have to add it to every bowl equally.
The problem is is that these champs have too many outlets for item and rune damage to get abused. Buff runes a tiny but and someone who has a ton of damaging abilities suddenly becomes super powerful. Just look at what kind of a monster Jayce becomes when his items/runes get buffed and he doesnt get touched.
Looking at it this way I feel like stat stick champs cover a much wider coverage of problem champs in league (Akali, Elise, Sylas, Kayle, Ect) Champions with many outlets for damage vs champions with few outlets for damage will always be either very successful, or very bad.
seems like kalista is hard to balance considering she's always either been op or unplayable
Yes in pro play she was because she secures objectives and initiates.Two things that dominate pro games.
Honestly tho garen Is so overkitted it's insane.
Q- silence, movement speed gain, removes all slows from garen, next auto deals 30/60/90/120/150 damage PLUS 140% ATTACK DAMAGE.
W- gives bonus armor and MR up to a max of 50 each, damage reduction, tenacity
E- armor shred, can crit, deals isolation damage.
R- true damage to current villian, does missing hp damage.
Passive- HP Regen after a few seconds. Minions do not disable passive.
That's fucked.
yeah hes basically god
Love this comment. People who call Riven, Yasuo, Akali and other skilled champions overloaded are actual retarded fools.
This game has not had a truly overloaded champion yet
Johnny H you havent been playing for very long have you?
@@diehleeo1449 I have been playing for quite a few years, dumbass.
"Remember, all champions are designed with counterplay".
That's a bad joke, right?
No it's pretty correct once you look at every champ. Yi- CC, Vayne without her ult is useless, Jax avoid his E, Kled wait for him to use his W since it has a long cooldown and is a major part of his damage, Vlad make him use his W, Etc the list goes on and on and if their counter play isn't in their abilities normally it's in an item or a champ that completely counters that certain champion.
@@awrd8221 I'm sorry but you have clearly never played this game or are in denial.
@@catisreckless4647 dude what rank are you? Of course there will always be a champ in every patch that is above others ex: Akali was just absurd when she got reworked and when Zoe came out she was just as insane but we are talking about the overall counterplay that every champion is supposed to have and most of them do well in showing it to us.
@@catisreckless4647 hard stuck silver mentality .
@@harrysliyoko8809 Whatever helps you to sleep at night kid. And I long quit this boring nonsense.
akali and aatrox, a good aatrox can 1v5 and is soo underrated for how powerful he is even after his nerfs
I'd love to see a video on why Riot has historically had a terrible track record with designing and balancing AP Assassins. Katarina, Akali, Leblanc etc.
Or AD assassins: Zed, Talon, Rengar, Kha'Zix, Kayn
Was expecting aurelion tbh on the first part
Aurelion to be honest is fairly well balanced, it's just his niche play style that makes him played so little, he's not bad at all if you know the champ, he's kinda the opposite of a lee sin : lee is easy to learn and hard to master, aurelion is hard to learn, but if you put enought time into it, he's quite easy to master. His numbers are fair, he has a very god roam potential, it's very clear what to do to counter him (pick some melee champs with gapclosers (fizz is the best cuz he can even dodge your ult) or just pick a champ that can shove the wave faster than he can), he has some nice flashy mechanics for the more ballsy players, but honestly, you don't need em to be good at A sol. It makes you better ofc if you know them, but if you have a good map reading, and managed to master the basics of the champ, you'll be very decent with him. And honestly it's one of these champs that doesn't feel frustrating at all to play against. If he fucks you, most of the times it's just that he's better than you.
@@lorrisgirinon7991 I didn't say he was bad, I myself play him. The problem is how stupidly easy it is to counterplay him and abuse him. You simply can't play aurelion against a fizz yasuo or even Katarina. The match ups are so bad that even challenger players struggle with this. He is overall balanced and actually really good if you can pull him off but will definitely become not viable depending on the match ups. And if they buff him he will just become overpowered. Never the less he can be very hard depending on who you are against. If you are a good aurelion on low elo you will pretty much dominate. In higher elos it's totally different. People are a lot more aware and know what to do with you. That's why positioning and quick reactions become crucial with aurelion at some point and that's very hard to master.v
BTW I believe it is frustrating when you can't trade against him, never played against one but having to pay attention to him and also his comets while trying to farm and trade (since aurelion does it all at once) is probably kinda hard if you are a champion that can't abuse him.
Using a Hashinshin clip unironically to explain something is new meta.
so everytime master yi 1v5 your whole team because someone fed him remember thats how he was designed, thanx for watching
yep yi is very strong when u play against bots
@@poniko6034 the fuck you talking about. Diamonds in solo q complain about him. Yi is not strong against a 5 premade team. Hes broken against solos.
@@truli91 i think the probelm with yi is that he has TOO much true damage in the early game...he is a scaling champion right ? Make him useless early game like a nasus or a kassadin...but once he gets an item he hypercarries..the problem is that he always wins 1v1 in the early against champions that arent : lee sin - rammus - udyr or xinzhao
Zoe can still pick up teleport, only thing that was removed is the shard dropping from minions, as well as the gunblade
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Yo Exil, long time subscriber, RIven main and member of the notifications squad here. I love to see you shine brother. Keep up the good work and expanding on your content.
Didn't know Jimmy Fallon is a Garen Main.
If you go to his stream, he has a command specifically for that since he gets the comment so often. Lmfao
i loved it when you mentioned runescape i was saying it in my head then you said it XD
Diana's broken.
- Her passive won't always trigger at the 3rd strike, but at the 4th one.
- She gets her E passive (gain AS for your next 3 bassic attacks whenever you cast a spell), even if she didn't put a single point on it.
- If you Q, R into a target, and it dies before you can reach them, your ult goes on cooldown.
-Her E passive sometimes won't go off.
- Sometimes, when you kill a minions with your Q, R, you won't get a reset.
- Her R won't reset if you hit a target before her Q hits it. You R into a target, and throw a Q mid air. The Q travels faster than you, so you *should* get a reset. You hit the target, it gets marked, you get there, the mark gets consumed, but you don't get a reset.
- Phase Rush and Nimbus cloak would go off like 2 minutes AFTER you've done your combo. You're going back to lane, and all of the sudden you're Sonic.
So yeah, she's broken.
Im so happy for your channel growing up as fast as it is, mate. Good luck with your work, and keep being a humble man. I root for you
Who needs balance when you've got Prestige Star Guardian Urgot?
Wait, did you completely forgot you can go AP Shyvana? It has one of the easiest abilities to land, her dragon form E, which is on a 5(?) sec CD (with CDR) and has a 100% AP Ratio and 350 base damage rank 5.
The argument was that shyvana either does damage or does nothing. This piece of info does not alter the argument.
thing is She only has 1 spell
*Core-A Gaming made a good video about Balance*
in a game which would be quite interesting to think about on a MOBA game like League of Legends
I haven't played in years but even back in season 6-7 it felt like they started adding too many things to their champions
@bill lamook I've heard the legends please no
I really enjoyed this point of view and the way of expaination on the variuos points u talked about
Good Job Man
yall better be votin for my boi Fiddlesticks.
Yeap good old fiddle needs to be reworked. Hes pretty much useless, and his mechanics are so bad.
Im not even playing him but i just hate to have him in my team.
We won Mr stark
If this was made 2 patches ago I swear zed would be on this list .-.
Autumn Grace meh. Zed has a a learning curve and he's not too hard to balance. He has a coherent kit that works well with lethality. Your classic midlaner assassin. This has always been since he came out.
You and your friends in low elo not being smart enough to go GA/Zhonyas as a first item vs Zed does not mean Zed is broken.
It just means you're building statically in a dynamic game, rather than proactively and reactively building.
He's probably not played well in whatever elo you're in, either. lmao
rush tabis and seekers and he cant kill you untill he has 3 lethality items (without duskblade passive)
@@superswag4191 ... ironically I'm making this post as a zed main with 465K exp. the part I can't understand is why the absolute hate and constant nerfs that bar him from being good for some time just because first item zhonyas as a mage with tabis can absolutely screw over a zed, while maw of malmourtis for assasins is so bad in both scaling and cost in comparison to zhonyas, yet they still have to nerf zed after 2 seasons of him being bad? like cmon not asking for too much but it feels like they might as well rework him or he's just a wasted character.
@@internetsavage8733 yet nowadays assassins who build lethality like zed and talon are so poor in winrates that even a adc with the same items does better in dps? yeah not sure about the 'coherent kit that works well with lethality' buddy.
no joke a miss fortune with just tabis deals more dmg with lethality than talon or zed with lethality.
Balance?
How about a Vladimir with 4k health that can one shot me
i hope when they rework shyvana they dont dish out the way she feels, like , i use her in top with tank life steal and lethality , and other people love her full ap, so i realy , REALY REALY HOPE , she end up being usable the 2 ways too, and not expand the jg vibe so i can still use her in top
i love that u have all sources in the video's description