@@HighGrasthe market did that to them. People like the Tik tok bikers preaching how perfect the R6 is and everyone buying it for like a status symbol. My cousin just paid more for his r6 that I paid for my zx10r. I got a 2008 zx10r for 6k cash at 25k miles but clean, he got a 2010 R6 for 9k at 8500 miles at the dealer so more like 11k
Yea I’m in no shape or formed influenced by ig bikers…I just love the look of it but yes ig and TikTok bikers are overly hyping them making them. More expensive
I think it's just a push to electric. With every euro standard implemented its made the internal combustion engine worse. I had to go automatic on my car just because the fueling was so bad I would either stall or wheelspin and the throttle felt like an on off switch. My bike is Euro 3 and is good compared with the jerky throttle on new bikes. I have an EV and the controll with the accelerator is wonderful it's such a breath of fresher air the ICE was like a nodding dog the power was just on or off.
It’s strange too because the EU market is so small compared to the Asian, IndoAsian and US markets. At some point manufacturers need to stand their ground and tell the EU to pound sand have fun with no new vehicles.
@@TheOriginalJadolph It's not strange because the EU market is where people have deeper pockets to buy the larger and upmarket bikes compared to the non-Japan Asian markets where people aren't buying anything bigger than a 400cc. Even in Japan where the license classes is basically divided at the 400cc mark is where the VAST majority of the bike buyers are at such that the Rebel 250 by itself outsold the top 10 401cc+ bike sold combined, and the larger bikes are basically only reserved for 50+ old men with disposable income. Once your bike is priced at starting 10kUSD if you don't entice the EU market it's a dead product cos the buyer bases won't be big enough to recoup cost.
I'm not sure Kawasaki agrees, they are the only one trying, they are putting out great bikes, and competing you can't say the same about the other 3, the R3 is so outdated is begging to be discontinued.
At this point I feel like Kawasaki is going to drop the zx7 again and zx9... Like I think they're going to prove they have the FULL range. And honestly Kawasaki is the easiest brand to start with in my opinion. Like the 13-17 zx6 is starting to be sold for like 5-6k max now with 20k mileage being the high. It's an amazing time for people selling their older bikes frfr that do work.
I think it's bc of the economy. If people aren't buying bc they can't afford it, Why would motorcycle manufacturers make motos more expensive to purchase. Keep it more affordable I think might be the thinking at this time.
Japanese bike manufacturers are more focus on selling bikes in Asia. There’s really no need to buy big bikes in the Asia. If you go to Asian countries, most people ride small cc bikes. They could easily export small cc bikes but it’s not the safest in big wide roads. I grew up in Asia and I was 12 years old when me and my friends got bikes and scooters. I say it’s more cultural and not really economy wise.
Not like it was when I was growing up. By 5th graders 1/2 of us boys had 80cc bikes. Motocross tracks were all over. But most of us had Evil Kneval as our hero. Late 80s to 90s we started teaching girlfriends to ride. What a great time. I had a 250 ninja that was just fun to ride and I would teach people on and loan out to friends. Bought it with no intentions of keeping it . Still have it! Girls that were scared to go for a ride on the 600 never said no to the 250. Would never have thought the 250 as a chick magnet but it opened more opportunities than any bike I ever owned. We had a friend that was a paraplegic that wanted to go for a ride. We strapped his feet and legs down so they wouldn’t come off. As he said I’m already a paraplegic how worse do you think it gets. And away they went. 3 hours later they returned safe and sound. The smile on his face was unbelievable.
@@Pudekz51790you grew up in Asia, do you not know that people can't afford big bikes? As Asian countries generally HEAVILY tax powerful and big displacement engines. My family i consider upper middle class, yet even my father doenst want to pay the money for a big bike. A ktm 790 adventure is as expensive as a corolla here..
The lack of innovation is because we already have all the stuff people want. Before it was more power, better handling, adding fuel injection, abs, led headlights, multiple traction settings to protect riders, but whats the next tech? Most bikes already have everything people want and if we look at auto manufacturers, the only thing they're adding is tracking their customers which bike owners do not want. Any tech that could be added that customers "may" want would be egregiously expensive and with today's economy, interest rates, and insurance rates, people would rather keep their 2017 bike vs buying a new 2025 that frankly doesn't add much. Between brands we have twins, triples, inline 4's and v4's of nearly every power level you could want. It makes it hard for manufacturers to do something new when they would essentially be "copying" another brand.
This right here. We are running into diminishing returns in the overall riding experience (we are seeing this in cars too.) The jump from 90s to 2000s was huge. The jump from the 2000s to the 2010s was good. The jump from the 2010s to the 2020s was meh. Before someone brings up Electric bikes, nah. That power-train isn't the issue since we already have plenty of power from ICE (acceleration is limited by traction and we are already running at the limits with both engine types.)
True. Average riders dont need all the flash or speed. Most cant afford to upgrade their bikes, consistently maintain it and bring it to the shop, or get a new bike models every time they like. Most will just get one and stick with it for the next years. That is why reliability is an important factor. Its interesting to watch how people like yammie continuously belittle the Japanese and praise euro bike. Because no matter what they say, no matter how bad they review the Japanese, people will still buy their reliable bikes. That is why Japan, a small country, is dominating in sales.
Next tech should be making standard cornering abs, quickshift/autoblip, slipper clutches, cartridge forks on more bikes. Crazy to me new bikes still come with damper rod forks in 21st century.
The flash is basically just giving a middle finger to the euro/epa. They had to program stuff the way they did because they are being force to choke the shit out of the newer bikes
Have to love the Kawasaki lineup of bikes... The company can make the H2 which is an insane bike... also makes the KLR and the Vulcan and the Ninjas which are largely the same for 20+ years now.
@xandersolomon8035 nobody wanted a hybrid when Toyota first released the Prius, they even lost a lot of money on the first iteration. Yet the Prius then became a gamechanger since the 3rd iteration (some would argue even since the second), Toyota became one of if not the biggest car manufacturer in the world and every brand and it's grandmother is making hybrids. I would consider buying one of the next iterations of the hybrid Kawasaki if they manage to reduce the battery's weight and bike's length and raise mpg in country roads usage.
Japan has been in a constant economic decline since the boom in the 80-90s, which is what most of us probably associate as the standard of Japanese bikes. It only makes sense that the big 4 have to be conservative. There's no budget for risks and no local market to take risky purchases.
There were a shockingly large number of Japanese motorcycle companies from 1945 to circa 1960, but the ruthless competition knocked almost all of them out of business. So when the first Japanese bikes started coming over to the US in the 1960's, those bikes were already very advanced and reliable. You look at sportbikes in the 1980's, and the Japanese bikes were far and away better in every conceivable metric. And yet, most bikes sold in the US are low-tech, with Harley holding half the market share and much more than half in the sales share. It seems almost ridiculous to try to compete in a market that seems illogical, where better performance might actually hinder you.
@@HandleAndGretel50hp is probably enough but I don't want to have to ring the bikes neck for 50hp. Probably need 100hp to comfortably use 50hp. I don't see why some extra capacity and some spare horses seems to be such a crime.
Man. Great video. I know there’ve been some videos where I take your ribbing a little too personal, but I always keep coming back for your content. Keep up the great quality work!
To be fair Kawasaki has been innovating in recent years, supercharger, small 4 cylinder, electric, hybrid and still work to make 4 cylinder bikes meet emissions. Emission regulations are also probably the greatest obstacle for innovation. Imagine spending millions into developing a new platform, only for it to be illegal in less than 5 years due to new regulations, or straight bans on all ICE.
modern motorcycle design principles are pretty much sorted. The key areas of develpoment are materials and safety technology. 'Radical' concept bikes are more or less styling exercises based on tried and tested platforms, with a nod to weight savings and software. I have no issues with Japanese manufacturers sticking with what works well, marginal improvement and value. The top-end European players may well wish to concentrate their efforts on winning races to boost image, but GP-winning technology rarely filters down to the high street in a way that translates into sales. Customers are more interested in reliability and quality. What use are carbon fibre winglets at normal riding speeds?
Most of the newer bikes do not offer anything I can't find in the used market for a more reasonable price. Those that do, like Ninja 400rr are hard to find and sell for 600cc prices.
Pregen models like the 2007 Ninja 250 comes with cool feature like pannier clips, a tail bar, center stand, and really cool flame decals, and a helmet lock as well. Instead of branching out and making all different types of models, make meaningful trim packages that include retro features that make owning a motorcycle daily more convenient.
It's amazing how even here in Southeast Asia the same thing is happening to the Big Four. In the early 2000s, Suzuki released a 125cc, DOHC, 4 Valves, Oil Cooled, 6 Speed, rear disc brake Underbone(moped) called the Raider 125 LE, a year later they released a 150cc version. The moped scene back here during the late 90s and early 2000s mostly consists of mopeds from 100 to 125CCs usually SOHC, 2 valves, 4 speed, rear drum brakes, and air cooled. But Suzuki had to shake the market and started an Underbone war with the other three. Yamaha responded with the LC135, Kawasaki responded with the Fury 125rr, but Honda was busy with the car scene during the early 2000s here in SEA. As of now? The same thing is happening. Suzuki has been doing the 'Bold New Graphics' to their lineups with the exception of the Raider 150 Carb which really was just the same engine, same frame, new plastics, and detuned engine every generation of their Carb version plus a higher price too, Honda started changing the plastics of their mopeds and called it an "all new" release but, still has the same engine and with the same tensioner issue. Kawasaki left the moped scene and left that to Modenas, and now, only Yamaha has the guts releasing a 155cc moped with a slipper clutch, which was a never before seen feature in the 150cc segment. Now, the Chinese in SEA started releasing great value for money mopeds with ABS, TCS, disc brakes all around, keyless system and for a cheaper price compared to the Japanese counterparts. Also, now the Big Four has begun cross-platforming their engines as other classes of bike. Yamaha really just released a 125cc bluecore scooter and used that same engine to come up with 6 different scooters with different plastics, different features and different price tags. But, the majority still chose to own a Japanese moped, including me.
I dono if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it you get that Japanese quality build, and reliability. I am a bit upset, though that I traded my 2020 mt 03 for a 2024 mt07 and the 2025, they updated the suspension. They did inverted forks on the front, and the back they updated it as well and then they updated a few other bits & bobs , like I think they swapped the TFT display and the key position no longer on top of the headlight, they put it where it usually goes in between the handlebars. But I will say my 2024 Yamaha MT 07 Is my first JDM motorcycle all my others have been made in the Philippines, which they make good motorcycles there too, but I don’t think it beats the JDM quality in the long run.
I think it's very smart of the Japanese to create a platform that can service multiple types of motorcycles. Saves them dollars + RND and it can potentially keep the price down on new models. I do agree though that a lot of the Japanese motorcycles have stretched their models a little too far. The Yamaha R6, CBR600RR, and GSXR600/750 have basically been the same since 2007 except the aesthetics and some suspension updates. I currently own an Aprilia RS660 and KTM 390 Adventure and love them, but I also loved my previous Honda CBRs ( 2013 250R, 2008 600RR, 2019 650R) that I have owned. The Japanese currently don't make a motorcycle I want to really own, and until they do, I'll keep on putting on my Aprilia and KTM.
looking at upgrading from a z400, comparing the zx6r, 1000sx, and z900 and im curious of opinions on the 1000sx, is it kawi's "not so supersport" or is it actually a liter bike? another potential intermediate option being an mt09 but there isn't much used market right now.
Honda CB650r FTW! Beautiful silky inline 4, beautiful looks and bullet reliability. Can’t go wrong. Oh and also the added benefit of going clutch less with the 2024 e-clutch!
Yamaha has been notorious for letting many of their models go essentially unchanged for decades, especially their dirt bikes. I still love Yamaha but it’s just what it is.
I Love everything that Kawasaki is producing. It seems like they are following the Ancient Japanese philosophy "Kaizen" which is small incremental improvements when it comes to a Rock Solid platform. Its a very smart business and it helps consumers to be confident with Top Notch quality Bikes!
I think it depends on their business as well. Unlike European brands whose brand is based on Motorcycle itself, Japanese manufacturers are giant Industries which has a unit that "also" makes motorcycles. For example Yamaha with their Musica industry Kawasaki and their heavy machinery industry etc. So putting a lot of resources in just one sector is a difficult decision for these companies especially knowing people are not buying these high end superbikes anymore. But nonetheless it is true as per me that there is far less innovation and that strive to be cutting edge in this market from Japanese and I wish it changes for us bikers to enjoy these reliable sweet 4 cylinder machines.
Well: BMW -> Cars Ducati-> Volkswagen (Even more Cars) Aprilia -> Piaggio (Also produce Vespas, and small Transport vehicles) KTM -> Pierer Mobility (Also owner of Husqvarna, GasGas and MV Augusta) Triumph -> Bloor Holdings (also a big English housebuilder) Yes, the brand itself is usually motorcycle only, but the brand is never really „alone“. Meaning that your argument is also valid for european brands and is not just a japanese phenomenon. Eventhough the parent company is most of the time already active in the mobility sector. Fair enough
As a man who owned a modified turbo Subaru reliability and not having to worry about it blowing up all the time is the biggest factor to me. Pushed me from Ducati and BMW to Yamaha haha
i love my zx10r. it might not be the most competitive performance wise to any other similar class bike, however if you go by price then it is about top of the range. ducati, bmw, aprillia yes they make faster bike but another $5-10k. Also i just ride and change my oil/clean my chain. and don’t really worry about issues. that’s the best part. my buddy has a ducati and it seems like eveyother time we ride he has to fix something.And i personally visually my zx10r 2021& up is gorgeous. it doesn’t look like everything else in the class with that h2 inspired front end
They’re obviously not bad bikes. But generally speaking, they’re too boring and lack character for the money they are charging for them. Just my two cents.
Gold Coast, Australia. Just got my license back after 12 months on a good behaviour period. Dusted off the Suzuki and went to the service station that a lot of groups meet up for there Sunday morning rides. I’m not kidding, every bike bar a drz getting fuel, mine was the only non European bike on the lot. Kinda felt like the poor kid 😂😂😂
Hey Yami, talking about Honda… why do you think they’ve released their new 600rr for Asia and Europe and not brought to the United States? How does it make sense to have multiple skews?
I agree been riding decades on Japanese... One time took 890r duke and was giggling like a teen . Bought one 20 k still giggling didn't explode yet and I ride year long hot country...
I keep hearing from UA-camrs that bike manufacturers need to be more creative, need to be more innovative, because that’ll give consumers what they want. But the bike I saw the most last month was the Honda CBR. A bike that every UA-camr has told me is a bike nobody wants, and is too boring and safe. But I see people enjoy customizing it a bit when they purchase it and then just having a bike they don’t have to think about. It doesn’t do anything too much or too little and it’s reliable. These are the majority of non-Cruiser riders imo. And that’s the market that the Japanese are in tune with.
10/10 if Honda made a 500cc 2 stroke, something like the Suter MMX 500, I’m buying. I don’t care if it’s track only. It’ll go in the back of the truck up to the canyons 🤙🏻
I need advice, going from Honda cb125r I’ve been riding for a few years now, should i go for a 450? Or can i go directly to the 650 / 660 range? I use it mostly for commuting mixed city and highway, it’s cold and wet here. I’m 41 and would like some more highway speed and comfort. Any recommendations ? I’ve been considering Honda cbr650, Aprila 457/660 or a triumph trident / Daytona.
i would blame it one the billionaires trying to own the world. made the economic forum doing the climate hoaxes for control. since they force it on other countries they also have to follow their gay laws. like emissions.
I think that, having ridden for almost 30 years daily, and ridden bikes dating back to the early 70s, the fun is slowly being drained away from motorbiking, and that everything is starting to homogenise into a big ,bland lump. It's not just in biking, it's in architecture, fashion, music, everything has come to a head, so to speak and the head is 'blandness'. People talk about saving the planet, but it doesn't need saving, it can look after itself. We can't live as a species without fun, we might as well be dead.
@Drobium77 it's like the chopstick, fork, knife and spoon. You can somehow alter some measurements but they're all utensils for eating or kitchen use. Motorcycles will soon or later arrive at a certain most efficient usage form most riders worldwide will accept as the base line. A stainless steel spoon works just as well as a golden one. Most can't afford the golden one.
@@PRSer I totally get your analogy , but utilitarian, does not evoke passion, excitement, or any emotional response. and face it, motorcycles are literally there to boost mental health. The whole of the world now is sterile to the 'real world'', any bit of real world which pops into someone's life, is extinguished with a tidal wave of litigation and fear of retribution, we've forgotten what the real world is supposed to be, and it's taking away our humanity. Yes, I did 120mph on a motorbike today, but I did it safely and had fun. We all have a responsibility to biking to make sure that when we ride fast, we ride safe. but the march to make everything bland, is the biggest threat to mankind since WW2
@Drobium77 Hey man I agree with you but wars are hectic and chaotic and blandness is also sometimes just a sign of safety and stability. There's also a vast majority of people in the world who can't afford a motorcycle that can hit anywhere near 120mph and only see motorcycles as a point to point way of getting around faster than a bicycle at least. The simplicity and accessibility of the Honda Cub after ww2 arguably got a whole bunch of people into motorcycles. Haha but then we also have BMW releasing a new M1000RR with super wizbang electronics, monstrous winglets and 218 hp. I dunno man.. seems motorcycles are just as much fun still
I always loved the GSX-R 750. IMO, it's still the best middle of the road bike if you want high performance and reliability. If it ain't broke, don't fix it...
I have a few bikes. An old ‘76 CB750 SOHC. I have a ‘15 R3 made by GG Retrofitz, it’s very nice. Inexpensive and custom. And a ‘00 SV650 naked. Honestly, I have everything I need. But I’d love to have a ‘96 ZX-11. Or trade my R3 for an old Yamaha two stroke 350.
Yam can you make a video about why kawasaki, honda, or suzuki have not made a bigger displacement supermoto to compete with the ktm, 690 platform. That would be soo sick if they did.
Personally I'm just going to stick with 2005 2010. No rider aids straight up litter bikes. Currently 2009 FZ1 love it basic but good real good. Cheap reliable and a great bike.
How about if Kawasaki remove the brakes and fit a sword to the top yoke? Affordable budget, more thrilling than a supercharger. (arriving at the lights)
One thing you didn't mention is that back in the day the US government put in place quotas on both Japanese motorcycles and cars when it was clear that US customers really liked the value those vehicles brought to the table. The Chinese will probably not be allowed to dominate western markets with subsidized high value proposition motorcycles. Many countries are introducing stiff tariffs on Chinese EVs and it's likely the same will happen to CFMoto if they start to dominate markets.
I think they are blowing it, but mostly on the looks. I still enjoy Japanese motorcycles as or more than other manufactures depending on the platform, but I feel like in the generation of people wanting want looks cool, they are droping the ball the hardest.
I notice that too even here in Asia in the Philippines, Chinese and Indian motorcycle brands seens to be the only ones who are innovating on anything but the big 4 keeps on making blatant money grabs or the same bike from years ago with todays money
I don't know, the new Yamaha R9 seems pretty innovative to me. Yes is a cross transplant engine but compared to the R3, R7 and recent R6, it seems to have the cutting edge. Just my opinion. Oh and we all know people by European bikes to flex or look cool. Haha!
The CBR1000RR-R Fireblade SP is the only exception in the super bike category. I'm so angry with Yamaha. I love the R1. Don't give up on it please! Update the electronics and screen to keep up with the European bikes please! The CB1000 Hornet SP not only seems value driven but they managed to put high spec components and electronics on a bike at an affordable price. Otherwise, I get what you're saying and completely agree.
Yamaha fan here BUT the amount of models that they have stopped making is ridiculous. Vmax,R6,star venture,raider,the entire Star lineup,WR 250,R1 is next to go,FJR 1300 is over 20 years old! I’m sure there’s more I can’t think of right now but you’re right there is no new exciting stuff anymore
It’s tight in money now. You have to think that in today’s money brand new gsx-r 1100 was an over a $20000 1990. RC45 was $35000. Back then average Joe was able to buy or finance those. Now even the midfield bikes are so risky investment that nobody can bear it anymore
That's because They're too expensive. The People Spending 20k on a Motorcycle aren't Buying Liter Bikes, They're Buying Harleys. The People that want Their Bikes can't Afford Them , so They Buy Used.
I wanna agree with u but Kawasaki has been venturing into electric and hydrogen bikes. I own a 20yr old carbureted bike and happy with it but would love to see what the future technology brings.
@@hvega8686 kawaskai also made that hybrid bike which was really sweet. so yeah, I have high hopes that kawasaki will be building something wacky in the near future.
@Rancid_Ninja honestly, I don't agree.. I think that people are only looking for numbers, and the number 399cc confuses people. The ZX4RR is a premium bike, with a lot of features, I honestly think the price is fair for a japanese bike. For the same price you can have a CBR 650 R... You got a bigger engine but thats it. No quick shifter, no adjustable suspension, etc. And yes, the US version has a detuned ECU, and that sucks, but a flash solves your problem.
Character in a motorcycle is great for a quick hoon through the hills. But "character" can get annoying on a multi day ride or everyday commute. Like your Italian mistress analogy: people say they want that, but the happy marriages are with the dependable companions.
The bike market like medicine specialties has become very specialized. When I started riding you only had big bikes, small bikes and dirt bikes. As best as I can figure out these days there are at least nine different types of bikes out there. Trying to stay in touch over this production of diverse bikes causes some bleed over and sharing of ideas and parts. The entire world has become a confusing situation when you add in all the new brands and special purpose models. I am good with it though.
It feels like right now most manufactures are stifled by ensuing regulations. The Japanese automakers went through similar patterns of play it safe and see. Honda and Toyota were making milktoast for almost a decade until they poached some ideas from their competition and started making exciting vehicles again. We're in a boring phase and emissions standards are once again at play but at least everything in the Japanese lineups is solid, time tested and reliable even if it is stale.
On a side note, The r9 looks great, it will sell like crazy. Some bike segments are just poor investments for the Japanese right now, if they wanted to they could dominate, why dump money into something that only a few people actually want? Japanese have enough racing titles for the time being, they just want to make money and survive at this point. They aren't that bad tbh.
The future of the ICE is in question, and alternative power systems are still in the future. R&D and innovation aren't a priority in this environment. They are playing it safe until it's clearer what the next paradigm is going to look like, then they can innovate on the sure-thing
To tackle the climate crisis we are currently taking the wrong approach. As a society we shouldn’t be so focused on the carbon footprint of individual vehicles, rather we should be working to reduce the sheer number of consumer vehicles on the road period. This would require monumental investment in public transportation infrastructure and massive paradigm shift in urban planning. If the majority of people commuted to work via trains and other public transport, then road congestion will be reduced to mainly commercial vehicles, interstate travel and leisure. If you could rid the planet of crappy econoboxes, then high performance ICE vehicles could roam free with an overall reduction in CO2 emissions in aggregate.
I believe it is economics. What is coming in the motorcycle market. Many of companies throwing money at R&D are experiencing money problems,mostly Chinese products. And yes, durability is king. Look at your own stable of bikes. How many Chinese bikes do you own?European bikes are a different story. But durability has been an issue.
I've owned 90% japanese bikes. Currently have a harley dresser and a kawi z900. My next will probably be a bmw gs. I'll buy from whatever country makes the bike that fits my wants and desires within my budget. That said I have no interest in cf moto and I've never heard anyone who had actually riden say they wanted one. Same with royal enfield
I think they've found their way. There's a difference between what people say they'll buy and what they actually buy. Some of the European bikes are cool, buy how many people can afford to buy them, or even maintain them? The innovative, fun stuff gets a lot more attention than it does sell bikes. The Japanese see that people prioritize value and reliability even if it is at the cost of being a bit vanilla. That's why the smallest of the big four outsell European heavyweights like KTM and BMW by almost double.
I've been saying this for years now, except for a couple of exceptions like some of their liter sports bikes and their motocross bikes the Japanese have given up on innovating, now they mostly make good reliable and relatively affordable street bikes, maybe they know that the end of the internal combustion engine is about to be forced upon us in the not too distant future?
We need more smaller manufacturers that are willing to sell less bikes to suit that niche market, I don’t think they should pander to the broadest market possible it ends up watering down the experience so much and saying they have to justify selling the bikes is just their greed they want the max profits there’s no passion anymore.
I feel like we are in a awkward period right now, with governments pushing towards electrification, the economy about to implode, stricter and stricter emissions standards, all that really leves manufacturers in a sort of tough spot. Also there were no major breakthroughs in the sector in the last 20 years or so. Cars are looking much the same, the tech sector as well.
can anybody recommend any bikes for a rider that's 5"3-5"4, I've been looking at a klr 650 S due to the bad weather conditions where I live but I'd like some suggestions, thank you if reply
As of 2023 data - the smallest of the Japanese 4 - Suzuki motorcycle's gross annual PROFIT in a one major national market of India matches the global sales revenue of KTM. They have not lost their ways, they just got much smarter about emerging market. When it comes to the emerging markets (Latin Americas, India, China, Africa etc). Japanese 4 are about 10 ~ 15 years ahead in terms of market leadership and manufacturing capability compared to European counterparts - Japanese 4 has moved into these market in 80s and 90s and already have established its entire channels. Without companies like ex-3rd party manufacturers such as CF Moto, Bajaj, or Lifan, companies like KTM or Ducati wouldn't be able to compete in today's market.
Wow! In the first min! I'm a noob now! 🤣 0:15 The problem is my guy the younger then you youngsters don't need to ride a motorcycle when they all play video games and play on there I phone's. 4:50
I am about to get a zx6r! I am not a fan of tooo loud exhaust ! So can anyone suggest me a quiet full system exhaust ! I am more into perrmance and not into sound ‘ cuz anyday if i am putting a full system it will be anyway sounding better than stock ! So i want the most silent yet good performance boost to my bike ! I think it will attract less cops as well ! Ps . Love from india
They've updated their prices, that's for sure 😏
True that
Yes especially Yamaha...
Whay?
No brembo no wp strange just price
Bold new pricing.
@@HighGrasthe market did that to them. People like the Tik tok bikers preaching how perfect the R6 is and everyone buying it for like a status symbol. My cousin just paid more for his r6 that I paid for my zx10r. I got a 2008 zx10r for 6k cash at 25k miles but clean, he got a 2010 R6 for 9k at 8500 miles at the dealer so more like 11k
Yea I’m in no shape or formed influenced by ig bikers…I just love the look of it but yes ig and TikTok bikers are overly hyping them making them. More expensive
I think allowing the European emission standards to dictate so much of their engine development has severely impeded freedom of design.
I think it's just a push to electric. With every euro standard implemented its made the internal combustion engine worse. I had to go automatic on my car just because the fueling was so bad I would either stall or wheelspin and the throttle felt like an on off switch. My bike is Euro 3 and is good compared with the jerky throttle on new bikes. I have an EV and the controll with the accelerator is wonderful it's such a breath of fresher air the ICE was like a nodding dog the power was just on or off.
It’s strange too because the EU market is so small compared to the Asian, IndoAsian and US markets. At some point manufacturers need to stand their ground and tell the EU to pound sand have fun with no new vehicles.
@@TheOriginalJadolph It's not strange because the EU market is where people have deeper pockets to buy the larger and upmarket bikes compared to the non-Japan Asian markets where people aren't buying anything bigger than a 400cc. Even in Japan where the license classes is basically divided at the 400cc mark is where the VAST majority of the bike buyers are at such that the Rebel 250 by itself outsold the top 10 401cc+ bike sold combined, and the larger bikes are basically only reserved for 50+ old men with disposable income. Once your bike is priced at starting 10kUSD if you don't entice the EU market it's a dead product cos the buyer bases won't be big enough to recoup cost.
@@chrishart8548 Gotta get the ECU flashed. It’s a pain in the ass that we have to do this, but this is the new price to play.
Europe is the biggest market on earth atm. That makes it the only market that matters.
I'm not sure Kawasaki agrees, they are the only one trying, they are putting out great bikes, and competing you can't say the same about the other 3, the R3 is so outdated is begging to be discontinued.
At this point I feel like Kawasaki is going to drop the zx7 again and zx9... Like I think they're going to prove they have the FULL range. And honestly Kawasaki is the easiest brand to start with in my opinion. Like the 13-17 zx6 is starting to be sold for like 5-6k max now with 20k mileage being the high. It's an amazing time for people selling their older bikes frfr that do work.
yeahh, thats basically what he said in the vid
@kailashpillai3737 no, not exactly he said only euro brand are innovative, Listen to the video clearly.
IDK. They are sort of parts-binning things and screwing around with engine stroke and compression.
@brokensmilephoto your saying you would rather them do nothing then? Lol what an amazing logic👌🤦
I think it's bc of the economy. If people aren't buying bc they can't afford it, Why would motorcycle manufacturers make motos more expensive to purchase. Keep it more affordable I think might be the thinking at this time.
Japanese bike manufacturers are more focus on selling bikes in Asia. There’s really no need to buy big bikes in the Asia. If you go to Asian countries, most people ride small cc bikes. They could easily export small cc bikes but it’s not the safest in big wide roads. I grew up in Asia and I was 12 years old when me and my friends got bikes and scooters. I say it’s more cultural and not really economy wise.
@@Pudekz51790 It could be both.
Not like it was when I was growing up. By 5th graders 1/2 of us boys had 80cc bikes. Motocross tracks were all over. But most of us had Evil Kneval as our hero. Late 80s to 90s we started teaching girlfriends to ride. What a great time. I had a 250 ninja that was just fun to ride and I would teach people on and loan out to friends. Bought it with no intentions of keeping it . Still have it! Girls that were scared to go for a ride on the 600 never said no to the 250.
Would never have thought the 250 as a chick magnet but it opened more opportunities than any bike I ever owned.
We had a friend that was a paraplegic that wanted to go for a ride. We strapped his feet and legs down so they wouldn’t come off. As he said I’m already a paraplegic how worse do you think it gets. And away they went. 3 hours later they returned safe and sound. The smile on his face was unbelievable.
@rexhorning7228 Right, I think we're from the same era, The Good Old Days.
@@Pudekz51790you grew up in Asia, do you not know that people can't afford big bikes? As Asian countries generally HEAVILY tax powerful and big displacement engines. My family i consider upper middle class, yet even my father doenst want to pay the money for a big bike. A ktm 790 adventure is as expensive as a corolla here..
Bought a new CBR1000RR 6 months ago and already put 5,400 miles on it, my 2nd Japanese bike and I couldn't be happier with it.
It's an amazing bike. I'm trying to decide between that and the gsxr1000.. Suzuki has more color choices vs the red & black..
The lack of innovation is because we already have all the stuff people want. Before it was more power, better handling, adding fuel injection, abs, led headlights, multiple traction settings to protect riders, but whats the next tech? Most bikes already have everything people want and if we look at auto manufacturers, the only thing they're adding is tracking their customers which bike owners do not want.
Any tech that could be added that customers "may" want would be egregiously expensive and with today's economy, interest rates, and insurance rates, people would rather keep their 2017 bike vs buying a new 2025 that frankly doesn't add much. Between brands we have twins, triples, inline 4's and v4's of nearly every power level you could want. It makes it hard for manufacturers to do something new when they would essentially be "copying" another brand.
This right here. We are running into diminishing returns in the overall riding experience (we are seeing this in cars too.) The jump from 90s to 2000s was huge. The jump from the 2000s to the 2010s was good. The jump from the 2010s to the 2020s was meh.
Before someone brings up Electric bikes, nah. That power-train isn't the issue since we already have plenty of power from ICE (acceleration is limited by traction and we are already running at the limits with both engine types.)
True. Average riders dont need all the flash or speed. Most cant afford to upgrade their bikes, consistently maintain it and bring it to the shop, or get a new bike models every time they like. Most will just get one and stick with it for the next years. That is why reliability is an important factor.
Its interesting to watch how people like yammie continuously belittle the Japanese and praise euro bike. Because no matter what they say, no matter how bad they review the Japanese, people will still buy their reliable bikes. That is why Japan, a small country, is dominating in sales.
The next tech is probably electric.
Next tech should be making standard cornering abs, quickshift/autoblip, slipper clutches, cartridge forks on more bikes. Crazy to me new bikes still come with damper rod forks in 21st century.
@Yammie noob I have a CF Moto 450SS with 4,300 miles on it so far. I bought new in 2023' loving every minute of riding it.
Reliability > Performance & Flash. But that’s just me. To each their own.
Perfect AFR > stock AFR
The flash is basically just giving a middle finger to the euro/epa. They had to program stuff the way they did because they are being force to choke the shit out of the newer bikes
Honda ❤
Have to love the Kawasaki lineup of bikes... The company can make the H2 which is an insane bike... also makes the KLR and the Vulcan and the Ninjas which are largely the same for 20+ years now.
Kawasaki is innovating quite a lot. Nobody does bikes like H2 or the zx4r anymore. Plus, zx6r is probably the last of its breed
Papa Yam : Japanese manufacturers are not creating anything new, weird or risky
Kawasaki : Cries in hybrid tears
Ya but nobody wanted a hybrid though 😭
@@xandersolomon8035 I'm actually intrigued
@xandersolomon8035 nobody wanted a hybrid when Toyota first released the Prius, they even lost a lot of money on the first iteration. Yet the Prius then became a gamechanger since the 3rd iteration (some would argue even since the second), Toyota became one of if not the biggest car manufacturer in the world and every brand and it's grandmother is making hybrids. I would consider buying one of the next iterations of the hybrid Kawasaki if they manage to reduce the battery's weight and bike's length and raise mpg in country roads usage.
Kawasaki: cries actual water tears from the bike powered by H20.
And they made a hydrogen powered motorcycle!
Japan has been in a constant economic decline since the boom in the 80-90s, which is what most of us probably associate as the standard of Japanese bikes. It only makes sense that the big 4 have to be conservative. There's no budget for risks and no local market to take risky purchases.
There were a shockingly large number of Japanese motorcycle companies from 1945 to circa 1960, but the ruthless competition knocked almost all of them out of business. So when the first Japanese bikes started coming over to the US in the 1960's, those bikes were already very advanced and reliable. You look at sportbikes in the 1980's, and the Japanese bikes were far and away better in every conceivable metric.
And yet, most bikes sold in the US are low-tech, with Harley holding half the market share and much more than half in the sales share. It seems almost ridiculous to try to compete in a market that seems illogical, where better performance might actually hinder you.
@@langhamp8912Also, how much performance is needed for the streets?
Riders complaining that 100 hp, let alone 150 isn’t enough. It’s kinda crazy.
@@kevincrockett5155 Needed? Probably 40-50 but if you want to have fun anywhere between 100-150 is the sweet spot.
@@HandleAndGretel50hp is probably enough but I don't want to have to ring the bikes neck for 50hp. Probably need 100hp to comfortably use 50hp. I don't see why some extra capacity and some spare horses seems to be such a crime.
@@chrishart8548 Ignorant people think "powerful bike = reckless rider", we just like to have some spare hp when needed.
Man. Great video. I know there’ve been some videos where I take your ribbing a little too personal, but I always keep coming back for your content. Keep up the great quality work!
To be fair Kawasaki has been innovating in recent years, supercharger, small 4 cylinder, electric, hybrid and still work to make 4 cylinder bikes meet emissions.
Emission regulations are also probably the greatest obstacle for innovation. Imagine spending millions into developing a new platform, only for it to be illegal in less than 5 years due to new regulations, or straight bans on all ICE.
1 day after this video and Honda is like "hold my electrically supercharged V3"
modern motorcycle design principles are pretty much sorted. The key areas of develpoment are materials and safety technology. 'Radical' concept bikes are more or less styling exercises based on tried and tested platforms, with a nod to weight savings and software. I have no issues with Japanese manufacturers sticking with what works well, marginal improvement and value. The top-end European players may well wish to concentrate their efforts on winning races to boost image, but GP-winning technology rarely filters down to the high street in a way that translates into sales. Customers are more interested in reliability and quality. What use are carbon fibre winglets at normal riding speeds?
I love Kawasaki they keep trying new things with the zx4rr and the h2 keeping things unique and different from the other brands
H2 been out for a decade, not new lol
@@Rancid_Ninja lol good point wow time really flys
Most of the newer bikes do not offer anything I can't find in the used market for a more reasonable price. Those that do, like Ninja 400rr are hard to find and sell for 600cc prices.
please bring back low powers inline 4 bikes and the 90s body styling, cf moto sr 500 is like the only one with that flavor.
Pregen models like the 2007 Ninja 250 comes with cool feature like pannier clips, a tail bar, center stand, and really cool flame decals, and a helmet lock as well.
Instead of branching out and making all different types of models, make meaningful trim packages that include retro features that make owning a motorcycle daily more convenient.
It's amazing how even here in Southeast Asia the same thing is happening to the Big Four. In the early 2000s, Suzuki released a 125cc, DOHC, 4 Valves, Oil Cooled, 6 Speed, rear disc brake Underbone(moped) called the Raider 125 LE, a year later they released a 150cc version. The moped scene back here during the late 90s and early 2000s mostly consists of mopeds from 100 to 125CCs usually SOHC, 2 valves, 4 speed, rear drum brakes, and air cooled. But Suzuki had to shake the market and started an Underbone war with the other three. Yamaha responded with the LC135, Kawasaki responded with the Fury 125rr, but Honda was busy with the car scene during the early 2000s here in SEA. As of now? The same thing is happening. Suzuki has been doing the 'Bold New Graphics' to their lineups with the exception of the Raider 150 Carb which really was just the same engine, same frame, new plastics, and detuned engine every generation of their Carb version plus a higher price too, Honda started changing the plastics of their mopeds and called it an "all new" release but, still has the same engine and with the same tensioner issue. Kawasaki left the moped scene and left that to Modenas, and now, only Yamaha has the guts releasing a 155cc moped with a slipper clutch, which was a never before seen feature in the 150cc segment. Now, the Chinese in SEA started releasing great value for money mopeds with ABS, TCS, disc brakes all around, keyless system and for a cheaper price compared to the Japanese counterparts. Also, now the Big Four has begun cross-platforming their engines as other classes of bike. Yamaha really just released a 125cc bluecore scooter and used that same engine to come up with 6 different scooters with different plastics, different features and different price tags. But, the majority still chose to own a Japanese moped, including me.
There's no incentive to invest in high performance bikes when the EPA slaps on ridiculous restrictions.
I dono if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it you get that Japanese quality build, and reliability. I am a bit upset, though that I traded my 2020 mt 03 for a 2024 mt07 and the 2025, they updated the suspension. They did inverted forks on the front, and the back they updated it as well and then they updated a few other bits & bobs , like I think they swapped the TFT display and the key position no longer on top of the headlight, they put it where it usually goes in between the handlebars. But I will say my 2024 Yamaha MT 07 Is my first JDM motorcycle all my others have been made in the Philippines, which they make good motorcycles there too, but I don’t think it beats the JDM quality in the long run.
Honda unveiled a Supercharged V3 Engine concept at Eicma, thats innovative and cool.
Hope it will find a way into a production bike
I'd love to see a proper Z900 SP, that 948 engine rocks. Rebuild it ground up like you wanted to take on the MT-09 and Duke 990.
I think it's very smart of the Japanese to create a platform that can service multiple types of motorcycles. Saves them dollars + RND and it can potentially keep the price down on new models. I do agree though that a lot of the Japanese motorcycles have stretched their models a little too far. The Yamaha R6, CBR600RR, and GSXR600/750 have basically been the same since 2007 except the aesthetics and some suspension updates. I currently own an Aprilia RS660 and KTM 390 Adventure and love them, but I also loved my previous Honda CBRs ( 2013 250R, 2008 600RR, 2019 650R) that I have owned. The Japanese currently don't make a motorcycle I want to really own, and until they do, I'll keep on putting on my Aprilia and KTM.
looking at upgrading from a z400, comparing the zx6r, 1000sx, and z900 and im curious of opinions on the 1000sx, is it kawi's "not so supersport" or is it actually a liter bike? another potential intermediate option being an mt09 but there isn't much used market right now.
Honda CB650r FTW! Beautiful silky inline 4, beautiful looks and bullet reliability. Can’t go wrong. Oh and also the added benefit of going clutch less with the 2024 e-clutch!
Only weighs over 400lbs
@ yea I do wish they could get the weight down a little bit but IMO it’s worth the trade off for that silky 4 cylinder 🤙🏼
Yamaha has been notorious for letting many of their models go essentially unchanged for decades, especially their dirt bikes. I still love Yamaha but it’s just what it is.
I Love everything that Kawasaki is producing. It seems like they are following the Ancient Japanese philosophy "Kaizen" which is small incremental improvements when it comes to a Rock Solid platform. Its a very smart business and it helps consumers to be confident with Top Notch quality Bikes!
The ceiling isn’t that high for them. For other manufacturers, yes. Still going with the big four for price, fit n finish, reliability, etc.
I think it depends on their business as well. Unlike European brands whose brand is based on Motorcycle itself, Japanese manufacturers are giant Industries which has a unit that "also" makes motorcycles. For example Yamaha with their Musica industry Kawasaki and their heavy machinery industry etc. So putting a lot of resources in just one sector is a difficult decision for these companies especially knowing people are not buying these high end superbikes anymore. But nonetheless it is true as per me that there is far less innovation and that strive to be cutting edge in this market from Japanese and I wish it changes for us bikers to enjoy these reliable sweet 4 cylinder machines.
Well:
BMW -> Cars
Ducati-> Volkswagen (Even more Cars)
Aprilia -> Piaggio (Also produce Vespas, and small Transport vehicles)
KTM -> Pierer Mobility (Also owner of Husqvarna, GasGas and MV Augusta)
Triumph -> Bloor Holdings (also a big English housebuilder)
Yes, the brand itself is usually motorcycle only, but the brand is never really „alone“.
Meaning that your argument is also valid for european brands and is not just a japanese phenomenon.
Eventhough the parent company is most of the time already active in the mobility sector. Fair enough
@@Genisis_S they are just biased, my Cfmoto is doing great yet they still doubt it for no reason
As a man who owned a modified turbo Subaru reliability and not having to worry about it blowing up all the time is the biggest factor to me. Pushed me from Ducati and BMW to Yamaha haha
My Busa ( 2022 ) has had 2 recalls so far for the same issue so I question the reliability that never was a question before....
i love my zx10r. it might not be the most competitive performance wise to any other similar class bike, however if you go by price then it is about top of the range. ducati, bmw, aprillia yes they make faster bike but another $5-10k. Also i just ride and change my oil/clean my chain. and don’t really worry about issues. that’s the best part. my buddy has a ducati and it seems like eveyother time we ride he has to fix something.And i personally visually my zx10r 2021& up is gorgeous. it doesn’t look like everything else in the class with that h2 inspired front end
Chinese are innovating
* CFmoto , * Benelli , * Voge , * Benda , * Evoke , Lifan ,
FKM Singapore , Kymco Taiwan , SYM Taiwan , Bristol , QJ , more more . ❤❤❤
Innovating? They are just doing Chinese bike with Euro Jap designs
My 2 bikes are Japanese. I like all bikes but the Japanese make the best bikes for the people. Thank You Japan!!
Adding tech just leads to more issues across the life of ownership. I love my zx6r with hardly any tech and it runs like a dream.
They’re obviously not bad bikes. But generally speaking, they’re too boring and lack character for the money they are charging for them. Just my two cents.
Gold Coast, Australia. Just got my license back after 12 months on a good behaviour period. Dusted off the Suzuki and went to the service station that a lot of groups meet up for there Sunday morning rides. I’m not kidding, every bike bar a drz getting fuel, mine was the only non European bike on the lot. Kinda felt like the poor kid 😂😂😂
Friend group consists of - 3 x CF 450 SR , 1 x CF 250 SR , 1 x 600 naked Benneli . China bikes taking over
That E-clutch from Honda is pretty radical.
Hey Yami, talking about Honda… why do you think they’ve released their new 600rr for Asia and Europe and not brought to the United States? How does it make sense to have multiple skews?
I agree been riding decades on Japanese...
One time took 890r duke and was giggling like a teen .
Bought one 20 k still giggling didn't explode yet and I ride year long hot country...
We have a Ninja 300, a CF Moto 300 and a 2023 Grom Clone (SVT 200). Like them all actually.
the new vstrom and tenere 700, along with the transalp, what about those?
I keep hearing from UA-camrs that bike manufacturers need to be more creative, need to be more innovative, because that’ll give consumers what they want. But the bike I saw the most last month was the Honda CBR. A bike that every UA-camr has told me is a bike nobody wants, and is too boring and safe.
But I see people enjoy customizing it a bit when they purchase it and then just having a bike they don’t have to think about. It doesn’t do anything too much or too little and it’s reliable.
These are the majority of non-Cruiser riders imo. And that’s the market that the Japanese are in tune with.
10/10 if Honda made a 500cc 2 stroke, something like the Suter MMX 500, I’m buying. I don’t care if it’s track only. It’ll go in the back of the truck up to the canyons 🤙🏻
I need advice, going from Honda cb125r I’ve been riding for a few years now, should i go for a 450? Or can i go directly to the 650 / 660 range? I use it mostly for commuting mixed city and highway, it’s cold and wet here. I’m 41 and would like some more highway speed and comfort. Any recommendations ? I’ve been considering Honda cbr650, Aprila 457/660 or a triumph trident / Daytona.
Highway speed go 600 for city go 400
They are, that's why I'm looking more into custom bikes to go for something different.
i would blame it one the billionaires trying to own the world. made the economic forum doing the climate hoaxes for control. since they force it on other countries they also have to follow their gay laws. like emissions.
I think that, having ridden for almost 30 years daily, and ridden bikes dating back to the early 70s, the fun is slowly being drained away from motorbiking, and that everything is starting to homogenise into a big ,bland lump.
It's not just in biking, it's in architecture, fashion, music, everything has come to a head, so to speak and the head is 'blandness'.
People talk about saving the planet, but it doesn't need saving, it can look after itself. We can't live as a species without fun, we might as well be dead.
@Drobium77 it's like the chopstick, fork, knife and spoon. You can somehow alter some measurements but they're all utensils for eating or kitchen use. Motorcycles will soon or later arrive at a certain most efficient usage form most riders worldwide will accept as the base line. A stainless steel spoon works just as well as a golden one. Most can't afford the golden one.
@@PRSer I totally get your analogy , but utilitarian, does not evoke passion, excitement, or any emotional response.
and face it, motorcycles are literally there to boost mental health.
The whole of the world now is sterile to the 'real world'', any bit of real world which pops into someone's life, is extinguished with a tidal wave of litigation and fear of retribution, we've forgotten what the real world is supposed to be, and it's taking away our humanity.
Yes, I did 120mph on a motorbike today, but I did it safely and had fun. We all have a responsibility to biking to make sure that when we ride fast, we ride safe. but the march to make everything bland, is the biggest threat to mankind since WW2
@Drobium77 Hey man I agree with you but wars are hectic and chaotic and blandness is also sometimes just a sign of safety and stability. There's also a vast majority of people in the world who can't afford a motorcycle that can hit anywhere near 120mph and only see motorcycles as a point to point way of getting around faster than a bicycle at least. The simplicity and accessibility of the Honda Cub after ww2 arguably got a whole bunch of people into motorcycles.
Haha but then we also have BMW releasing a new M1000RR with super wizbang electronics, monstrous winglets and 218 hp. I dunno man.. seems motorcycles are just as much fun still
2003 to 2009 was the greatest period in motorcycles history.
We saw 999- CBR600r- new R1 and newer 2009- BMW s1000rr- aprilla RSV4 - 1098 and sooo on
I always loved the GSX-R 750. IMO, it's still the best middle of the road bike if you want high performance and reliability. If it ain't broke, don't fix it...
I have a few bikes. An old ‘76 CB750 SOHC. I have a ‘15 R3 made by GG Retrofitz, it’s very nice. Inexpensive and custom. And a ‘00 SV650 naked. Honestly, I have everything I need. But I’d love to have a ‘96 ZX-11. Or trade my R3 for an old Yamaha two stroke 350.
Hi, after the last videos now I have a question: Aprilia 457 or Ninja 400?
Used ninja 400 all day every day until you can get a used RS457
Yam can you make a video about why kawasaki, honda, or suzuki have not made a bigger displacement supermoto to compete with the ktm, 690 platform. That would be soo sick if they did.
Kawasaki 636, Suzuki 750, Honda 600
All three of those smoke KTM.
Personally I'm just going to stick with 2005 2010. No rider aids straight up litter bikes. Currently 2009 FZ1 love it basic but good real good. Cheap reliable and a great bike.
I'm hoping this goes well(the r9) and pushes triumph to come back with another fully faired 765(daytona)
How about if Kawasaki remove the brakes and fit a sword to the top yoke? Affordable budget, more thrilling than a supercharger. (arriving at the lights)
Wtf how high are you?😂. They could call it the Kawaski Kamikaze😁
Love me the DRZ400 but that Ducatti Hypermotard mono be looking like a snack
One thing you didn't mention is that back in the day the US government put in place quotas on both Japanese motorcycles and cars when it was clear that US customers really liked the value those vehicles brought to the table. The Chinese will probably not be allowed to dominate western markets with subsidized high value proposition motorcycles. Many countries are introducing stiff tariffs on Chinese EVs and it's likely the same will happen to CFMoto if they start to dominate markets.
where are all the hubcenter steering bikes?it litreally has no downsides.
I think they are blowing it, but mostly on the looks. I still enjoy Japanese motorcycles as or more than other manufactures depending on the platform, but I feel like in the generation of people wanting want looks cool, they are droping the ball the hardest.
I notice that too even here in Asia in the Philippines, Chinese and Indian motorcycle brands seens to be the only ones who are innovating on anything but the big 4 keeps on making blatant money grabs or the same bike from years ago with todays money
I don't know, the new Yamaha R9 seems pretty innovative to me. Yes is a cross transplant engine but compared to the R3, R7 and recent R6, it seems to have the cutting edge. Just my opinion. Oh and we all know people by European bikes to flex or look cool. Haha!
The CBR1000RR-R Fireblade SP is the only exception in the super bike category. I'm so angry with Yamaha. I love the R1. Don't give up on it please! Update the electronics and screen to keep up with the European bikes please! The CB1000 Hornet SP not only seems value driven but they managed to put high spec components and electronics on a bike at an affordable price. Otherwise, I get what you're saying and completely agree.
Yamaha fan here BUT the amount of models that they have stopped making is ridiculous. Vmax,R6,star venture,raider,the entire Star lineup,WR 250,R1 is next to go,FJR 1300 is over 20 years old! I’m sure there’s more I can’t think of right now but you’re right there is no new exciting stuff anymore
It’s tight in money now. You have to think that in today’s money brand new gsx-r 1100 was an over a $20000 1990. RC45 was $35000. Back then average Joe was able to buy or finance those. Now even the midfield bikes are so risky investment that nobody can bear it anymore
That's because They're too expensive. The People Spending 20k on a Motorcycle aren't Buying Liter Bikes, They're Buying Harleys. The People that want Their Bikes can't Afford Them , so They Buy Used.
One thing I would say about japanese bikes or about the big 4, is that they fear change. They don't want to evolve/move on to the next phase.
Does this apply to harley davidson and their 100 year old pushrod tech?
@Pleksilasi I dunno about harley, but this is only for the big 4 I'm talking about.
I wanna agree with u but Kawasaki has been venturing into electric and hydrogen bikes. I own a 20yr old carbureted bike and happy with it but would love to see what the future technology brings.
@@hvega8686 kawaskai also made that hybrid bike which was really sweet. so yeah, I have high hopes that kawasaki will be building something wacky in the near future.
i was fighting myself as a beginner to eaither choose kawasaki 500 or royald enfield gt 650
kawasaki had a price hike for some F reason
any advice?
How much more innovation can they come out with? Has innovation and technology reached a plateau in motorcycles?
Well, Kawasaki makes the ZX4RR... New concept, new engine
Too expensive for what it is, and detuned for the states as well
@Rancid_Ninja honestly, I don't agree.. I think that people are only looking for numbers, and the number 399cc confuses people. The ZX4RR is a premium bike, with a lot of features, I honestly think the price is fair for a japanese bike. For the same price you can have a CBR 650 R... You got a bigger engine but thats it. No quick shifter, no adjustable suspension, etc. And yes, the US version has a detuned ECU, and that sucks, but a flash solves your problem.
are we not gunna talk about how like 2 min in he almost gets hit by a truck and is just unfazed lol
It's 2024. Everybody's running with scissors, you get used to that lol
Character in a motorcycle is great for a quick hoon through the hills. But "character" can get annoying on a multi day ride or everyday commute. Like your Italian mistress analogy: people say they want that, but the happy marriages are with the dependable companions.
We'll need a Yamaha 2025 MT-09 Y-AMT review pronto :D
I want fantic 500 type bike in usa.
Bikes should be fun and affordable but sadly they go opposite direction
Yah when they stopped making the R6! And Suzuki won’t update there 600-750 line so I say YES!
The bike market like medicine specialties has become very specialized. When I started riding you only had big bikes, small bikes and dirt bikes. As best as I can figure out these days there are at least nine different types of bikes out there. Trying to stay in touch over this production of diverse bikes causes some bleed over and sharing of ideas and parts. The entire world has become a confusing situation when you add in all the new brands and special purpose models. I am good with it though.
It feels like right now most manufactures are stifled by ensuing regulations. The Japanese automakers went through similar patterns of play it safe and see. Honda and Toyota were making milktoast for almost a decade until they poached some ideas from their competition and started making exciting vehicles again. We're in a boring phase and emissions standards are once again at play but at least everything in the Japanese lineups is solid, time tested and reliable even if it is stale.
Can’t beat Japanese dealer networks. But on the other hand the Kawasaki Ninja ZX4RR price is through the roof which is crazy in this economy
6:50 you don't think a modern two-stroke race/street bike would sell like hotcakes? Okay Njnja noob.😅
On a side note, The r9 looks great, it will sell like crazy. Some bike segments are just poor investments for the Japanese right now, if they wanted to they could dominate, why dump money into something that only a few people actually want? Japanese have enough racing titles for the time being, they just want to make money and survive at this point. They aren't that bad tbh.
The Japanese has "Kaizen" the crap out of their lineups. They may be stagnant, but they are reliable.
The thing that also kills the motorcycle is stricter emissions.
The future of the ICE is in question, and alternative power systems are still in the future. R&D and innovation aren't a priority in this environment. They are playing it safe until it's clearer what the next paradigm is going to look like, then they can innovate on the sure-thing
To tackle the climate crisis we are currently taking the wrong approach. As a society we shouldn’t be so focused on the carbon footprint of individual vehicles, rather we should be working to reduce the sheer number of consumer vehicles on the road period. This would require monumental investment in public transportation infrastructure and massive paradigm shift in urban planning. If the majority of people commuted to work via trains and other public transport, then road congestion will be reduced to mainly commercial vehicles, interstate travel and leisure. If you could rid the planet of crappy econoboxes, then high performance ICE vehicles could roam free with an overall reduction in CO2 emissions in aggregate.
I believe it is economics. What is coming in the motorcycle market. Many of companies throwing money at R&D are experiencing money problems,mostly Chinese products. And yes, durability is king. Look at your own stable of bikes. How many Chinese bikes do you own?European bikes are a different story. But durability has been an issue.
I've owned 90% japanese bikes. Currently have a harley dresser and a kawi z900. My next will probably be a bmw gs. I'll buy from whatever country makes the bike that fits my wants and desires within my budget. That said I have no interest in cf moto and I've never heard anyone who had actually riden say they wanted one. Same with royal enfield
I think they've found their way. There's a difference between what people say they'll buy and what they actually buy. Some of the European bikes are cool, buy how many people can afford to buy them, or even maintain them? The innovative, fun stuff gets a lot more attention than it does sell bikes. The Japanese see that people prioritize value and reliability even if it is at the cost of being a bit vanilla. That's why the smallest of the big four outsell European heavyweights like KTM and BMW by almost double.
I've been saying this for years now, except for a couple of exceptions like some of their liter sports bikes and their motocross bikes the Japanese have given up on innovating, now they mostly make good reliable and relatively affordable street bikes, maybe they know that the end of the internal combustion engine is about to be forced upon us in the not too distant future?
We need more smaller manufacturers that are willing to sell less bikes to suit that niche market, I don’t think they should pander to the broadest market possible it ends up watering down the experience so much and saying they have to justify selling the bikes is just their greed they want the max profits there’s no passion anymore.
I feel like we are in a awkward period right now, with governments pushing towards electrification, the economy about to implode, stricter and stricter emissions standards, all that really leves manufacturers in a sort of tough spot.
Also there were no major breakthroughs in the sector in the last 20 years or so. Cars are looking much the same, the tech sector as well.
Ex- gsxr 800cc 8r twin is 81 hp, the 750 quad 20 years ago was like 140,.oh and now they're 10k.
Same with yamaha
can anybody recommend any bikes for a rider that's 5"3-5"4, I've been looking at a klr 650 S due to the bad weather conditions where I live but I'd like some suggestions, thank you if reply
As of 2023 data - the smallest of the Japanese 4 - Suzuki motorcycle's gross annual PROFIT in a one major national market of India matches the global sales revenue of KTM. They have not lost their ways, they just got much smarter about emerging market. When it comes to the emerging markets (Latin Americas, India, China, Africa etc). Japanese 4 are about 10 ~ 15 years ahead in terms of market leadership and manufacturing capability compared to European counterparts - Japanese 4 has moved into these market in 80s and 90s and already have established its entire channels. Without companies like ex-3rd party manufacturers such as CF Moto, Bajaj, or Lifan, companies like KTM or Ducati wouldn't be able to compete in today's market.
Wow! In the first min! I'm a noob now! 🤣 0:15
The problem is my guy the younger then you youngsters don't need to ride a motorcycle when they all play video games and play on there I phone's. 4:50
I'd say that an electric and a hybrid from Kawi are pretty damn new.
I am about to get a zx6r! I am not a fan of tooo loud exhaust ! So can anyone suggest me a quiet full system exhaust ! I am more into perrmance and not into sound ‘ cuz anyday if i am putting a full system it will be anyway sounding better than stock ! So i want the most silent yet good performance boost to my bike ! I think it will attract less cops as well ! Ps . Love from india
Leo Vince probably has one of the quietest
quality is there but the design is just safe.
Isn't the 1990s back when most large Japanese corporations still had a position in the boardroom titled "the loud American?"
good statement!