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It's even more impressive when you consider that the show has no major (in-universe) characters, or Jedi/Sith, or any fan favorites. All the main characters are new aside from Andor, who only appeared previously in Rogue One.
"It cannot be fun to be a Disney executive right now." And yet they get keep their job whenever the company decides to cut costs despite an ever increasingly bloated paycheck paid to said executive.
Even if they are forced out they keep their money and houses and in all likelihood get just as nice of a job with another company that will give them millions of dollars before they even show up just for promising to show up.
It’s so insanely frustrating. If Disney didn’t have the name and resources already available to it from past success than all the current execs would be long gone for their recent performances.
*It's not just Disney executives,* it's executive for every and any sector. They are call the C-suite officers (COO, CEO, CFO etc.), since when have you ever seen job ads for executives. It's because there aren't. C-suite officers are headhunted from a very limited pool of people who hold the required credentials. And as such they aren't 'fired' either. Because any news of people that level getting fired will effect the stocks. So if it doesn't work out, they are ask to 'leave' after a certain amount of time, under the cover of certain reasons (usually personal). And they move on to yet another company. because apparently there are more companies that need C-suite officers then there are connected C-suite officers. So they are always cycling around the same job, just different sectors.
@ Remember Xbox's Don Mattrick? He bounced from EA to Microsoft devastated Xbox so badly that it's still reeling even though he's been gone for 10 years, immediately after quietly leaving Xbox he went to some mobile gaming company fucked that over and got outted again. He's still rich and probably working at some other company now
Bad writing can kill a franchise and I honestly believe that that's the largest killer of all these shows, it doesnt effect its own series but the next one, if Kenobi was crap and you fall off halfway in you're less likely to bother with the next Star wars show that comes out
This is 100% true, and this effect is very clearly seen in Skeleton Crew, because that show, despite it being completely competent and even pretty good, had the misfortune of following up the Acolyte, one of the worst productions in all of Star Wars history. And, well... the numbers don't lie. I do like SC, but Star Wars as a franchise is nearing (or god forbid, at) the point of no return... apathy.
After the Last Jedi, I have no willingness to try to sort out which Star Wars properties I would find worth watching and which I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure that Kathleen Kennedy has cost Disney billions of dollars with her mismanagement of the sequel trilogy. (Which isn't even a trilogy. It's a just a "make it up as you go along" movie series like any other.)
short term? I mean didn't they have a whole expanded universe planned if the Acolyte was successful? To have 3-4 shows in that time period like we do with the Mando era. I mean the show was still a dud but they planned long and hard for it.
Leslye Headland gave her wife and friends parts in the show so she probably paid herself and them a lot of money as well thats likely were the budget went
@@DarthB ALSO the reshoots and rewrites were so extensive they effectively shot the whole thing 2-3 times. the finished version has a bunch of weird plot inconsistencies which make sense only if you're seeing pieces of more than one script.
This isn't said enough. It isn't just a Disney specific thing, but every single network/studio thinking it needs its own streaming service screwed up many things but particularly the mass dilution of quality that the endless need for content created. Not only that, the make-up of studios has changed to the extreme in terms of business decisions. It is no surprise that virtually all major IP franchises are struggling.
I mean... Not really, back when streaming started Cable was too $$$ but did everything Streaming did and more, then Streaming started being where all the GOOD shows released and most good cable programs and movies were already there, then Streaming became "Cable but wireless" and we all need a package adding up to cable prices to watch enough good shows.
I mean, revolutionary thought for Disney...they could try relying on creativity, good writing and actually doing the things that put them on the map in the first place rather than milking the cash cow of IP long after it's dead...
You know why. Being creative is a risk and risks don’t make money as a guarantee. They’d rather slowly drain the cash cow for its last ounce and then move on to the next golden goose.
I agree in general, but Star Wars as an IP isn't dead. Disney just ran it into a mountain, and keeps trying to push through the same mountain over and over again.
Depending on who you ask one could argue TLJ checked all of those boxes (killing off your major antagonist for a guy that already lost is "creative", lots of it's defenders still think that slop is well written, and it put walkers on a white encrusted planet again and puppet Yoda - a few things that put SW on the map!) which is exactly the problem Disney faces; a total disconnect between execs and the people they hire with legions of fans. If Disney execs all loved pickles, hired people that also loved pickles, and I asked for some good food but hated pickles, guess what they're serving up? And when they look at their social media pages and listen to crowds at D23 the loudest fans still hanging around there are all pickle fans because non-pickle fans left, leading to an echo chamber that tells them how excited they were to watch, buy, and eat pickles. Then they look at numbers, panic, "listen" to fans, and what will they do? "Creativity? We haven't had a zoophile protag yet, so here's Dunber, the shaved wookie in love with a womp rat! Good writing? Surely that popular Dr Who fanfic writer will get the job done! Things that put SW on the map? Let's adjust that Han-Geedo scene AGAIN!" ... and thus you have the current ever circling death spiral. I mostly gave up on new SW crap after TLJ and outside of Andor, I don't think there's been anything to really challenge that decision.
What on earth did they spend $230 million on for the Acolyte? None of the actors are huge names, other than maybe Carrie-Anne Moss and she had like less than 60 minutes total of screen time. The CGI and sets looked fine, but nothing spectacular. So where did all that money go?
If I had to guess: Standard production costs like all the people that do all of the work that get a 3 second credit at the end made up most of it, which usually happens because things are taking way too long, which usually happens because the script is a mess :D
@@Zerzayar Theyve mentioned the kids may cameo in one of the film projects but they dont have any plans to continue Skeleton Crew as the actors are already a couple of years older than when it was filmed (Sep 2022).
@@xonox_868 kinda an issue just if you don't have kids or would just rather watch the goodies imo. Best part of that show was the robot pirate and idk his name.
@@FlexibleToastit also wasn’t the worst thing in the world. Lando was fun, the imperial army stuff was cool. The maul cameo and woody harrelsons character was fun. Han did suck though 😂
@ the scale of worst thing in the world and not good is massive. Yes, it lies somewhere on the scale. I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it. It was a mediocre, forgettable movie if not for the Star Wars branding.
Star Wars has a similar problem to Halo. It doesn’t feel like there’s any real direction. None of these shows feel connected or building towards anything. They blew their big moves early and are now just throwing random stuff at the wall. It’s also hard to build tension filling in the gaps when we already know what happens. It’s not impossible but it better be good.
It also feels like with both halo and sw that the people who own the properties actively hate their fanbase. Like okay dude, those are your regular customers. Rhere was a time that i would have bought anything sw or halo. But now i just dont care. Its sad. Still love the old stuff tho.
Dude absolutely. SW fans think they're suffering but holy shit I've never seen a franchise die as badly as Halo. Horribly new books creating terrible lore, ruining characters, plot lines that go nowhere. Then the new games had to work with that and flopped hard. Then the live action came in with an axe...
In a way, star wars has the exact same issue as halo. The franchise in itself is a juggernaut, but then they had a dud. (halo 5, VS the sequel trilogy) and then they panicked and they rewrote all their plans they had to avoid the dud but in doing so they rushed it and put out an inferior product which dug the hole deeper. And then they decided to throw money at the problem, and that hasn't worked. Both franchises need better overall management and a return to solid writing. You don't need to throw money at the problem if you take your time and do it right
I was never really a Star Wars fan (none of the movies are enjoyable). But what makes it impossible for me to get into at this point is how we know the outcome of everything already. I want to follow the twists and turns of Rebels for its charming cast. But I know NOTHING they do will change the outcome of the rebellion because the outcome was decided like 20 years ago. Just move the timeline forward, or go to a completely different galaxy ffs!
I'd say it's more like Destiny, it's had much more variation in quality Vs 343 halo imo. Episode 9 is the worst movie I've seen in theatre and Lightfall is the worst game/dlc I've bought at launch.. both franchises have had some very well received stuff in recent years tho, just balanced out by shear garbage
Eckhart: Makes video covering a major Star Wars fail. Also Eckhart: "This video is brought to you by Star Trek" No matter who loses...Eckhart wins. Magic.
I miss the days where shows had +20 episodes in a season that were all ~45 minutes long. Now we get less than 10, and the length of an episode fluctuates wildly. Waiting a week for a 20 minutes episode leaves a bitter taste.
This is why I continually go back and rewatch Star Trek series. From the original series all the way up through Enterprise. My wife and I like going back and watching older shows that we hadn't seen originally. Just watched all the episodes of Xena warrior princess and now I'm back at Twin Peaks. Not saying they are great shows but there's lots of episodes to keep you entertained... 🖖🏻
That's the problem with "prestige TV". It became the driving product for the entertainment industry in mid-2000s. TV shows with the pedigree of motion pictures. The problem is that doesn't scale up well to genres that require epic production scope and special effects. Like fantasy or science fiction. A 22 episode season of 48 minute screenplays wouldn't return on investment.
It's a self-fulfilling circle, though. At this point I rarely even bother watching something new, because even if it's interesting Netflix might just cancel it and then I'm left on a cliffhanger (looking at you, Inside Job)
@@MagosMirka i feel you! its the exact same reason why i dont get invested in anything now and it kills any fun. i really enjoyed inside job as well and they were just getting into the story when it was cancelled, same with farzar and a few others
I will not watch any series until it has finished and have seen that the people that liked it confirm that it had conclusions. I've been pissed off too many times to do anything else. @@DarthB
Nah, Netflix is off doing its own thing. They have shows with great ratings and viewerships that they still end up cancelling. They also hike up prices while removing content. Netflix gets way too much of a free pass that other platforms get crucified for.
I think another major factor here is how much people are willing to spend on streaming services. With the way the world is right now I’d bet the cost is just too great for most people.
Even when they have what most people agree is a good script i.e. Andor, streaming is just a shit way to make money and they will lose a ton of it, production on 2 seasons of Andor now reportedly up to 650 million and climbing for 2 seasons, how do they recoup that from D+? Frankly they won't and can't. Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+, turned a profit for the first time in the third quarter of 2024 and when you remove ESPN it made a loss. We need to go back to movies and actual real TV imo.
You mean their model of “announce project with current hit director/actor with no script in order to momentarily pump up stock value” doesn’t work beyond that quarter?
The problem is, Disney only knows how to do Disney (and they don't even do that as well as they used to). So, when you have them creating Star Wars or Marvel, the product, more often than not, is not something that long-time fans of the franchises are interested in.
Skeleton Crew was great. Though I can see how it's wouldn't grab people attention. We need some good Star Wars movies. Shows have taken over as the main medium of Star Wars content.
As a Star Wars fan who regardless of my feelings towards the franchise and the handling of certain characters will at least try to watch and finish all the content they release. The marketing for Skeleton Crew did nothing to interest me and while the show itself ended up being significantly better than Acolyte and Obi-Wan Kenobi and it definitely had its moments it still was completely un-interesting to me and I think many Star Wars fans share my reasons. Its just not what I look for from Star Wars, when I watch Star Wars I want epic action to compliment a compelling sci-fi fantasy story and thats just not what i got from this, especially considering it's basic premise of kids/characters exploring the galaxy for the first time and getting acclimatized to life outside what they know has been done to death in the Disney era with Grogu, Omega, Rey, Finn (to an extent), Trace, etc. I think had this show come out 5 years ago it would have done better but with Star Wars struggling the way it is it just didn't give us enough of what fans love while breaking enough new ground to entice a larger audience. I don't think its a problem of the medium of streaming, just Lucasfilm consistently not listening to fans and delivering what they've clammering for so that they CAN branch out more like this.
As a first generation fan, the trilogy-model has been a liability from (and including) Episode VI. My personal Star wars all-weekender is Solo, Andor, Rogue one, Hope, Empire and TFA as a standalone.
@@Herkules16 it was your basic heroes journey of unlikely characters pitched into an adventure and growing along the way with a cast of villains out to thwart them from making it home and threatening to destroy their idyllic way of life. That's all classic star wars.
I see where you are coming from, however i still respectfully disagree. Star wars is a world which i think is big enough to have nore than just one type of story. Its a whole galaxy, there is room for action yes, and lots of it, but theres also enough room for aby and all kinds of stories set in the universe. The issue with the recent project is quality... One bad project is one thing, but when the majority of your projects are bad it doesnt matter how good the next project is, its going to suffer.@@Herkules16
It feels like Disney wants to wash all the color, energy and life out of their shows. They feel dull, badly written, dark and lifeless. Where the hell is the color? The banter? The dynamic characters with bigger than life personalities? Star Wars is a SPACE OPERA. It needs to be big, bold, loud and colorful. Snark and wit are 90% of the dialogue. But now we have the same grey, poorly lit scenes with dull scenes and dull people and dull personalities doing dull things without any thought. Just remember to shove a lightsaber into a scene and let it go. The franchise has fallen on its face, and that's because Disney pushed it over.
all of that and any semblance of a story has been wiped away by inclusivity (DEI) and activism (picking a fight on other peoples behalf). they dont care about story anymore. they pay themselves, their partners and their friends a stupid amout of money as well so they dont really care if it fails or not.
People will accept a lower production value feel for superior story telling. That is what we have not been getting in general,with a couple exceptions.
I remember a time when we were just excited that Attack of the Clones was coming out. Another movie. Each prequel had its own criticism but held its own weight too. Then RoTS was hype af right? Then we just wanted more. Clone wars show watching each one when it aired. That was hype. What happened? I know Eck would rather just talk about how awesome the lore is, and not the mess of what it’s become 😢
People were sending death threats to the actor of Jar Jar and harrassing the cast of the prequels to a famous degree. Now is also bad but after the initial trilogy fans got toxic *fast.*
Honestly, I am glad that the Prequels weren’t just the same story we got in the original trilogy. Really goes to show how unimaginative the new trilogy actually is because it’s literally just “rebels fighting an overwhelming force” again.
The Acolyte was bad. It had a fundamental flaw: they wanted to tell us, that the Jedi, respected if not loved by most of the fans, were actually the bad guys. But they showed them as caring and helpful, like Indara who died in the first episode because she protected an innocent bystander. At the same time, they showed the witches and Qimir as aggressive and manipulative. People often discuss the problem of "show, don't tell". This was a matter of "show vs. tell". The other characters indecisiveness and stupidity nailed the coffin.
@@jakefoley9539 You didn't really read the comment, did you. KotOR2 SHOWED us the Jedi having lost their way, and fallen prey to their fear and traditional failings, as well as telling us that. It had a theme, and it stuck to it. The Acolyte TOLD us 'Jedi bad' and SHOWED us 'Jedi good'. Incompetence was the issue, not theme.
@@Blisterdude123 I never got the message "jedi bad". I felt like the show was trying to tell us they were flawed humans, and it did a decent job at showing that.
Skeleton Crew suffered the same fate Andor did. Skeleton Crew wasn't a bad show. Some mistakes and touch ups required? Sure, but it was a show you could just enjoy because you knew what it was from the jump. But the shows before Andor and Skeleton Crew killed any potential viewership for them. Andor is amazingly written, none of the other shows were written well, so when you have a show where the writing can be more lax, nobody cares about it.
Andor was an amazing show, but I think its biggest hindrance was... no one really cared about Cassian Andor (before watching it.) He was a character that was just sort of there in Rogue One. Sure he was a Co-lead but he wasn't particularly interesting. I for example put off watching Andor for a long time simply because I wasn't that enthralled by Rogue One and had no interest in Andor's character. After hearing how good the show was, I gave it a watch and finally became invested.
Tbf a lot of people also only care about Star Wars for the Force. Like, it is a HARD sell to say "hey, the good series is the one without the space wizards and laser swords in this franchise known for being about space wizards with laser swords".
The lack of quality on shows like Obi-wan and The Acolyte hurt whatever comes after it. Nobody wants to jump into a universe bogged down by trash. Which is a real shame because shows like Andor and Skeleton Crew deserve the love. They really gotta stop putting out subpar things and only one season as well. People are starting to see it like Netflix stuff. Why invest when it won’t get a second season either at all or in a timely manner. Nobody cares when season 2 comes out two years later because they moved the hell on to other shows.
trynna spin bad numbers on the strike instead of, you know, eternal price increases or more and more fracturing of viewerships by having to pay a new sub for every favorite show that used to be on Netflix is... a wild theory.
In the end, the Book of Boba Fett was the biggest story disappointment to me. The choices they made for the character was just abysmal. They had a chance to do a brilliant crime or criminal series and failed to carry anything at all it was absolutely amateurish.
I just started skipping several minutes at a time for the last couple of episodes because they brought in the fucking mandalorian for no reason. His involvement came out of nowhere and now I can’t be invested in any part of the book or boba because hey one episode they might just change the show altogether.
And we love the kids and their actors. All of them. And Jude too. Ravi (Wim's actor) interacted with fans in a much more mature way than Amandla (Osha/Mei's actor) and Ravi is about 12 YEARS younger than Amandla.
I do genuinely feel that another facet of Acolyte's failure were the behavior of its Screenwriter and Star, particularly Leslye Headland and Amandla Stenberg. They seemed to go out of their way to antagonize fans, and when people were generally critical of the show they defaulted to the usual "You're just a bigot that hates women." Stenberg's comment in an interview that "making white men cry" was the point of the Acolyte as well absolutely didn't help either. That sort of antagonism would put off a lot of people from watching the show.
Yeah as soon as i heard that, i just got rid of disney+. They clearly dont want my money. I was only keeping the subscription for sw. Marvel lost the plot a while ago. If the single property on the app has become hostile to me, i have no reason to watch.
@@renaissancenovice7202 Counterpoint - The Owl House had a relatively popular fan-crew relationship, and was actually a very good show. Naturally, Disney cancelled it immediately.
It's part of the problem BUT Acolyte was terrible in it's own without external drama. The story, the writing, the characters, the acting, the directing ... everything is globally bad. Sure, some nuggets of interest can be found here and there (like some fight) but few chocolate chips can't change the taste of a shit cake.
I want a reset. I'm just not interested anymore. Disney star wars is rotten to the core, and I was never able to recover from the disgusting mess that was the Book of Boba Fett. I'm done. Just done. Reset or sell, because otherwise, I don't know that star wars and I have a future. I'm just so sick and tired to being antagonized and disappointed.
@@s70driver2005 Andor is alright...but I don't care about the guy. Andor was never a compelling character to me, he's boring. SO FUCKING BORING! I don't care about his contaminated home world, I don't care about him stealing thing and running around. I could never get past the Episode where he escapes his hometown because it left me numb with boredom. He's not fun or cool, everything is so drab and slow, and while I can appreciate it at some level, its not what I want for Star WARS. Give me armies! Give me Generals! Give me heroes! Give me special forces, orbital invasions, Space Combat on a massive scale! Give me motherfucking battles, and skirmishes, retreats, feints, and ambushes. Give me fucking WAR in my Star Wars! I never found Andor compelling despite its quality, I've gone too long without Star Wars before it, and that show does not scratch my itch at all. I don't care about the corporate authority, I don't fucking care about the piping on Officer Asshole's suit. I don't care about Andor's girlfriend, or unfair work hours, or old ladies funerals. All of that can come AFTER I've seen something worth watching. I want to see the New Republic face new Galactic contenders, not repeat the past like it didn't happen. I want to see leaders of armies vying with the ethical challenges of invading or defending their factions in a real armed conflict. No more fucking rebels sneaking around, I want an actual war between powers worthy of the name. I want the Jedi to be challenged by what comes AFTER the sith, and how that challenge manifests. I Want Star Wars, not just some story told in the Star Wars Universe. I want War Among the Stars, for compelling and powerful reasons. I want resource conflicts, schemes and ambitions for conquest. I want alien armies and new Dominance cultures to challenge the borders of what our heroes have fought to create or preserve. Andor...is not worth everything that has come with it, not even a little bit, not even close. Andor is alright, its good. But its a feather on a scale filled with 10 pounds of literal shit. It does not make the difference I need.
@ Oh I'm not allowed to voice a damn opinion? If Star Wars was thriving, You'd never hear the words. But news flash Joey, its not. and its not for good reason. Its BORING. If you like it, then good for you, but your preferences bore me, and the majority of the old fanbase and audience. What, should we stay the course and keep it as drab as dirt, just for you Joe?
Acolyte tried to deconstruct Star Wars while Skeleton Crew stayed true to the spirit of Star Wars. Streaming doesn't seem as profitable as five years ago.
...and that could've been ok, if Reva had been portrayed better. I couldn't tell if it was bad acting, bad writing, or both - but Reva could have been waaay better than what we got.
It's had the opposite effect on me. It's made me appreciate the pre-Disney Star Wars content so much more. I've been getting into reading the legends content that disney decanonized. There's a lot of good material there to keep me entertained and I personally don't accept the sequel movies as canon anymore.
Already there sadly. I still enjoy old content. Still probably gonna play the next jedi game and watch andor, but aside from that, ive checked out. Same with halo. I just dont care much about the new stuff. Not disney, but same concept.
Besides Mandalorian and Andor I just completely ignore all their star wars content. I still enjoy a lot of the pre Disney stuff and the legends timeline a lot more than the crap Disney made. I used to be really excited about new Star Wars shows. Now I couldn't care less. I'll definitely watch Andor season 2 but I won't bother with the rest anymore. The world is too expensive to pay for a subscription to terrible shows.
Acolyte's problems were easy to see: 1) Poor Writing, 2) Poor Acting, 3) Poor Directing. The entire show had about the same 'quality' as a mini-show from Sid & Mary Krofft 'Krofft Supershow' circa 1976.
Mando season 3, Obi Wan, and the Acolyte are the reasons we don't trust Disney. These are the low quality slop shows we're talking about. There are others, like Ahsoka, She Hulk and Echo. But the three you mentioned weren't "Hurt" by other low quality productions. They were the low quality productions! FYI, when we say "Low quality", we aren't talking about special effects, acting or filming. We are talking about one thing: Writing. It's like these folk have never seen Star Wars before, and it shows.
@renaissancenovice7202 My list was meant to demonstrative. Not comprehensive. I 100% agree. Almost every decision Disney made about Star Wars was the wrong decision. Mando Season 1 and 2 are decent, Rogue One is okay, but everything else has been bad (Skeleton Crew is okay also). I didn't mention Andor. Because I don't understand what the fans saw in that show. It was boring and joyless.
@clister. You found one example that you disagree with, therefore all my examples are invalid? Not sure it works that way. But sure. I'll humor you. Breaking Bad. Game of Thrones season 1-4. House on Haunted Hill. The Fall of the House of Usher. Cobra Kai. (this list is demonstrative, not comprehensive) But if we're sticking to Star Wars, let's say Episodes 3-6. Knights of the Old Republic pt 1. Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor. (same rule. Not comprehensive). The fact that we disagree about one show does not mean that the other shows are written well. That's not how it works.
What really sucks about streaming is a lot of good shows get ok launches and need time to be discovered but because the goal is profit and not "makeing good shows" (capitalism is cancer after all) we don't even get the chance to discover shows naturally. They either burst out the door or die on arrival. Plus many are just slop anyway because somehow that is profitable
I find it crazy that, at this point, animated shows are seemingly less expensive than live-action ones. You would think having to animate 100% of all the visuals would be expensive, but I guess when live-action is 50% animated at this point, and that animation needs to look like real life, it starts to make more sense.
It's such a shame Skeleton Crew didn't do better. It's one of the best Star War things ever, alongside Andor. I do hope more people watch it due to word of mouth but knowing Disney they'll just remove it from the app.
I just hope Disney loses enough money with Star Wars to the point that they're forced to make drastic changes. As long as KK and everyone associated with her is in charge Star Wars will never climb out of the hole it is in.
@@HydratedBeans And yet it would be soo easy. Erase the sequels from canon, adapt the Thrawn trilogy books(with some necessary changes to fit into the lore established by the prequels). What's that I hear you say? The OG cast is too old/dead? RECAST THEM!
@@PaulXPZ lol, you think there is any chance of some of the most famous characters in film history getting recast. Any chance of doing anything with these characters died in 2013 when they refused to use their legacy characters correctly and create the films Lucas sketched out for them for a sequel trilogy. Just bury it already “He’s already de@d!”
The Acolyte was complete garbage. There was nothing notable about the show and it wouldn't've received the attention it did if it wasn't marketed as Star Wars. Lucasfilm has a serious quality control problem. Experimental shows like this should start with several (pilot) episodes on a relatively small budget and only if these are popular should they consider making more.
I still maintain that Kathleen Kennedy must have some primo dirt on the Disney execs, that is the only explanation on how she still has a job. Her level of failure and the amount of money she has lost Disney is probably unprecedented in the entertainment industry. It's not even just Star Wars she has tanked, you also have to look at the dismal financial disaster of the last Indiana Jones movie and the Willow sequel that was such an epic fail that they removed it from their own streaming service. I dare anyone to explain, logically and rationally, how she remains in charge of Lucasfilm.
I don’t get it either man my theory is they don’t wanna look bad firing a women ceo? Or whatever she is lol 😂 if you look at her IMDB all of her movies are sequels and horrible
“Shocking new viewer data” Shocking when everyone said it was shit, didn’t watch it, shitted on it, complained about how bad it was and they’re shocked it barely had any viewers.
It had viewers, it's Disney+ itself that doesn't have the viewership. Acolyte only lost out to Percy Jackson for the year, so people just weren't watching anything from Disney+.
I actually think having big budgets is one of things that's hurting Star Wars. If a show has a huge it's a huge investment which means the people with the money are going to want to make that investment as safe as possible. When budgets are smaller it allows more creative freedom because the studio isn't betting the farm so they let weirder ideas through.
I like how the walking dead was considered insanely expensive at about ten million per episode the first season (i might be misremembering the exact amount but it was a lot less than even kenobi)
Greatest tragedy for Acolyte was the death of Jeckli. I felt like she was one of the only characters that had places to go, followed closely by Yord - He was starting to pull that stick out of his behind. But these are only two bad notes in an entire orchestral arrangement of bad notes =/
Hiring people based on how they look and who they are attracted to, rather than their merit and passion for the IP results in projects that focus on how people look and attracted to and not their merits.
@@rector0455100%. They’re all grasping at straws and they still don’t get it. “Well, actually it was this that caused the acolyte to fail”. They keep making excuse after excuse for these people and it’s tiring.
People who are passionate about their work inspire passion in the fans, people who think in terms of IP and viewer demographics inspire boredom. If you're contemptuous of the viewers and assume that they're stupid cattle who will placidly consume whatever fodder is put before them then they will be just as contemptuous of you and your products. That's equally true for Star Trek, the MCU, Lord of the Rings, and whatever other franchise you care to name.
Really surprised to see a sponsored Star Trek spot. I’d love to see some Star Trek videos, if you ever feel up to it. Your lore and ship breakdowns are always great, I think they’d transfer well to ST.
I think part of the problem streaming has is the low quality of storytelling. When they lean into the idea of shows as background noise rather than as something worth putting your phone down for, they produce garbage that people just aren't as interested in watching. These big productions should be designed with compelling stories. Social media like UA-cam and Tiktok provide plenty of background noise content. Streaming services should provide main even content.
Most streaming shows are better than the average show from the 90’s and 80’s. I’d watch Acolyte over “10 is enough” or “Kung Fu the legend Continues” any day of the week.
2:51 Mixed? Mixed? Someone's trying to stay on Disney's good side. It was almost entirely panned by the consumer base. The only people who liked it were payed by Disney.
The MCU is suffering from the same issues as Star Wars. They’ve put out so much garbage the brand is tainted. People aren’t tuning in for the really good series after being burned so much by the trash shows.
@@rector0455 No Star wars is in much worse shape. Disney took the time to crap all over Luke, Han and Leia. Where is Star Trek is not crapping all over their legacy characters.
Disney Star Wars turned me into a Trekkie. I have no shame in admitting it. Not the newer shows like STD (Star Trek: Discovery - great acronym, you idi0ts lol), but TNG, DS9, and even Voyager and Enterprise are all so enjoyable. Admittedly, I don't like the Original series THAT much, but I do like it from a historical context. :D
@@LeftJoystick Kind of in the same boat here. I used to always prioritize Star wars over Star Trek although I like both of them. And these days I heavily gravitate towards Star Trek over Star Wars. I have not watched Picard or Star Trek Discovery.
well they thought insulting the fanbase before the show was even out (male and pale is stale and the like) was a good idea so they definitely aren't the smartest and blaming us for it failing when we were told 'its not for you' and 'dont bother watching it' so we didnt.
@@rhel373 Yes, I hear such people are currently butchering The Witcher. But in all seriousness, the Screenwriter and Amandla Stenberg have had little but vitriol for anyone with an even remotely critical opinion of the show. Leslye Headland tends to go out of her way to antagonize original Star Wars fans.
@@renaissancenovice7202 You know, the confusing part is when people who want to make "Woke" (I hate to use this word in conversation, but it gets the job done) shows get a chance, they are invariable thrown under busses almost immediately. Source: The Owl House. A creative, fresh, exciting, well made, well written show, which people would almost positively call "woke", which had a committed and excited fanbase.... Good viewership. 31.50 times the average demand for a Disney+ series. One of the most in-demand shows on Disney+ in 2022. Sixth most streamed show in the United States when the final season aired.... And Disney cancelled it. My conspiracy theory is that it's because Disney doesn't want to do animation anymore and it was the last 'loose end' left to tie down. But the simple fact is this. Disney doesn't want "Woke" shows, either.
6:47 that’s something I noticed when Disney took over: flashbacks. Star Wars didn’t used to do that, but now everything has them, the movies and the shows. And they’re constantly the weakest part of their projects, ex the boba fett flashbacks, the andor flashbacks, the Asoka flashbacks, the Luke-wants-to-kill-kylo flashbacks, I could go on and on. Point is, they keep using flashbacks and they keep doing a bad job of it. It’s not even that the sequences themselves are bad, they just destroy the pacing, ex the book of boba fett was edited so all the flashbacks happened in chronological order and it was 200% improved. Skeleton crew is the only project that I saw from Disney that so far hasn’t used excessive flashbacks, although I’ve only just started it.
@ as I said the boba fett flashbacks themselves edited in chronological order were good, a little better then the non flashbacks, but I still disagree about the andor flashbacks: knowing he came from some backwater mining world didn’t really add anything. The flashbacks could’ve ended up on the cutting room floor and nothing would be lost that a line of dialogue couldn’t fix. They weren’t bad, I’m not saying that, but they were the weakest aspect of andor. The flashbacks in kenobi weren’t bad either but that was an editing nightmare.
They can't get the hilts right either, in Acoshyte they were comically oversized and then I see a still of Jude Law's char from Skeleton crew and he's holding a lightsaber that looks like it was made for Yoda or a youngling.
I enjoyed aspects of the Acolyte. I legit think that the Stranger is one of the best characters introduced to the franchise under Disney. He didn’t turn back to the light, he wasn’t related to anyone special, he has no redeeming qualities because he’s a Sith. He’s fundamentally selfish. Him mercilessly killing all of those Jedi really showed what a Sith has to do when backed into a corner. The rest I could take or leave. The flashbacks should have been majorly cut down to allow for more on screen flipping of teams.
Agreed, and Manny Jacinto was on point with his performance too. Its a shame that Amandla Stenberg was not as good given how much screentime she had and that frankly the writing was really poor for the show as I would have loved more of Jacinto and his character, especially in a better production.
Sure, but you know Disney tried to make him "morally ambiguous" rather than irredeemable. They tried to make the Jedi the bad guys, rather than the Stranger fundamentally selfish. On paper many of the ideas for this show could have been amazing. I was super hyped when this show was revealed. But IMO they dropped the ball at every instance on the implementation
Alas he is also the self insert of the morally ambiguous writers trying to subvert the notion that good really exists and insisting the villains are just misunderstood.
I’ve always been a huge Simpsons fan and when my kid said “Why don’t you watch any of the new ones” my immediate response was about how I barely have time and I basically have to aggressively force myself to watch the even small amount of shows I do watch.
Disney needs to focus on one streaming series at a time, as well as only one movie at a time. It has diluted the quality of SW content by spamming movies and shows not well thought out. Plus, it is now dividing the SW fanbase like never before. That was unthinkable from 1977 to 1999. Yeah, the Prequels started a rift, but Disney is now ripping it wide open.
When you talked about all the explanation and flashbacks, it made me think of the videos explaining that streaming content is produced to be watched in the background, so they can't rely on the audience actually paying attention. I see videos now talking about watching a movie "raw". That is in one sitting without opening your phone or a second screen. I am such a boomer...
Mickey standing in the shadow, sees you seeing him, with a loss-report in your hands for the Disney-plus, he unclips a metallic rod from his belt, with disappointment in his tone, he states "To do this brings me no pleasure, ha-hAh, it has to be done" firmly grasps the metallic rod, igniting it and revealing it to be a light-saber.
Streaming has broken up viewership probably worse than the days of cable TV. It used to be you'd just need Prime or Netflix to view most shows. Now you need streaming accounts on HBO, Paramount, Disney, and who knows what else. Too many services, too many shows, not enough quality or interesting material. I've heard all about shows I've never seen, mostly because it's a past time to bash Star Wars at this point. Seriously I can't see spending that much money to try and catch shows that don't seem worth it.
The Volume was kind of a dead end though. It seemed like it worked well for Mando s1, but the more they use it, the more obvious it is and the cheaper shows that use it look
At this point, I really just want Disney to realize that they have a ton of money and can totally afford to make risky projects that don't pan out. Especially in the age of streaming, this can be an absolute gold mine because a show may do terrible upon release, but then 3 years later, people rediscover it and it explodes in popularity and brings countless people to your platform Having insane amounts of money should insulate you from having to make short term choices. Yet, Disney is acting like they are gonna go bankrupt every quarter and are barely scraping by. They have yearly profits in the tens of billion (not revenue - profit) and it increases year over year every year. I know people are gonna be silly and pretend it is because of CEO bonuses or something, but that isn't the reason. The reason is that they are so focused on quarterly reports that they ignore the year or 5 year period or 10 year period. I think the problem is that all of the experience and knowledge focuses on short term because that is how most companies have to function, but Disney gets to be an exception. I just want them to embrace it.
Maybe Disney/Marvel/Star Wars should take at least a page or two out of the Japanese playbook. For years, Japanese live action and animated media generally have small budgets for their projects compared to US big studio project budgets. I am not saying Disney should be making anime. What I am saying Disney needs to squeeze blood from a stone and produce well written scripts with flushed out characters. The poster child example is Godzilla Minus One. 10-15 million bucks to make that made around $113-114 million outside of Japan.
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Shame to see you promoting this, terribly generic, boring and pay2win game
Screw the game, and screw the ad in the video.
an sponsor for Star Trek in a Star War video, great
Andor reached 4B minutes because viewer numbers rose every passing episode, which is an impressive feat despite the total not being all that crazy.
We should all do our part and rewatch andor 20 times.
Before going to work today start up andor at home.
It's even more impressive when you consider that the show has no major (in-universe) characters, or Jedi/Sith, or any fan favorites.
All the main characters are new aside from Andor, who only appeared previously in Rogue One.
@@usrevengeI've already done that, time for the rest of you to pick up the slack.
@@GonzoTehGreat And Mon Mothma... but I don't think many were asking for more info or depth to her. We got it anyways and it was great.
@@mizmuth… that was the worst part of the show and it added nothing.
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"It cannot be fun to be a Disney executive right now."
And yet they get keep their job whenever the company decides to cut costs despite an ever increasingly bloated paycheck paid to said executive.
Even if they are forced out they keep their money and houses and in all likelihood get just as nice of a job with another company that will give them millions of dollars before they even show up just for promising to show up.
It’s so insanely frustrating. If Disney didn’t have the name and resources already available to it from past success than all the current execs would be long gone for their recent performances.
What percentage of the overall budget goes to executive salaries/bonuses?
*It's not just Disney executives,* it's executive for every and any sector. They are call the C-suite officers (COO, CEO, CFO etc.), since when have you ever seen job ads for executives. It's because there aren't. C-suite officers are headhunted from a very limited pool of people who hold the required credentials. And as such they aren't 'fired' either. Because any news of people that level getting fired will effect the stocks. So if it doesn't work out, they are ask to 'leave' after a certain amount of time, under the cover of certain reasons (usually personal). And they move on to yet another company. because apparently there are more companies that need C-suite officers then there are connected C-suite officers. So they are always cycling around the same job, just different sectors.
@ Remember Xbox's Don Mattrick? He bounced from EA to Microsoft devastated Xbox so badly that it's still reeling even though he's been gone for 10 years, immediately after quietly leaving Xbox he went to some mobile gaming company fucked that over and got outted again. He's still rich and probably working at some other company now
Bad writing can kill a franchise and I honestly believe that that's the largest killer of all these shows, it doesnt effect its own series but the next one, if Kenobi was crap and you fall off halfway in you're less likely to bother with the next Star wars show that comes out
Kenobi was crap lmao
This is 100% true, and this effect is very clearly seen in Skeleton Crew, because that show, despite it being completely competent and even pretty good, had the misfortune of following up the Acolyte, one of the worst productions in all of Star Wars history. And, well... the numbers don't lie.
I do like SC, but Star Wars as a franchise is nearing (or god forbid, at) the point of no return... apathy.
@@lordofthenerds66I can confirm that I quit watching The Acolyte (because it was truly awful) and have no interest in Skeleton Crew.
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After the Last Jedi, I have no willingness to try to sort out which Star Wars properties I would find worth watching and which I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure that Kathleen Kennedy has cost Disney billions of dollars with her mismanagement of the sequel trilogy. (Which isn't even a trilogy. It's a just a "make it up as you go along" movie series like any other.)
Shockingly, short term thinking and planning led to short term success.
@@storminmormin14 this is the corporate way...
@@paradoxworkshop4659 yup, they wanted New stuff as fast as possible to maximise profits. Wich worked. For a time.
Thinking? there's no thinking involved only the agenda
short term? I mean didn't they have a whole expanded universe planned if the Acolyte was successful? To have 3-4 shows in that time period like we do with the Mando era. I mean the show was still a dud but they planned long and hard for it.
Unfortunately they planned long and hard. To bad they are incompetent and full of themselves. To much so to see any flaws in their "perfect" star wars
If they showed "The Acolyte" on a plane during a flight, I'd still walk out.
... cosplaying as Skywalker ;)
Just like snow white 2025
Lmaooo
Man notify me before you sit next to me in an exit row ok?
Right?! Besides it's always such a good day outside a bit chilly though, but nothing a jacket can't fix.
I'm BAFFLED how The Acolyte cost so much.
Leslye Headland gave her wife and friends parts in the show so she probably paid herself and them a lot of money as well thats likely were the budget went
@@DarthB Which is really ironic when you think because often that's a move from low budget productions to save money for using big name actors.
@@DarthBlol, US is basically a Third world country even in that regard 😂
@@DarthB ALSO the reshoots and rewrites were so extensive they effectively shot the whole thing 2-3 times. the finished version has a bunch of weird plot inconsistencies which make sense only if you're seeing pieces of more than one script.
Italian villas don't buy themselves!
"things are bad generally"
Remember when streaming was fantastic for like, 5 years, before greed ruined it... good times
This isn't said enough. It isn't just a Disney specific thing, but every single network/studio thinking it needs its own streaming service screwed up many things but particularly the mass dilution of quality that the endless need for content created. Not only that, the make-up of studios has changed to the extreme in terms of business decisions. It is no surprise that virtually all major IP franchises are struggling.
I mean... Not really, back when streaming started Cable was too $$$ but did everything Streaming did and more, then Streaming started being where all the GOOD shows released and most good cable programs and movies were already there, then Streaming became "Cable but wireless" and we all need a package adding up to cable prices to watch enough good shows.
Greed is ruining literally every single thing. Share holders can't just be content and need infinite profits infinitely.
Just like Radio/TV/Newspapers... greedy corporate companies promising too much to their shareholders or overpaid C-level management!
Greed or ideological spin?
I mean, revolutionary thought for Disney...they could try relying on creativity, good writing and actually doing the things that put them on the map in the first place rather than milking the cash cow of IP long after it's dead...
You know why. Being creative is a risk and risks don’t make money as a guarantee. They’d rather slowly drain the cash cow for its last ounce and then move on to the next golden goose.
That would require making apologies to the authors of the EU, and egos at Disney/Lucasfilm can't abide that.
I agree in general, but Star Wars as an IP isn't dead. Disney just ran it into a mountain, and keeps trying to push through the same mountain over and over again.
Depending on who you ask one could argue TLJ checked all of those boxes (killing off your major antagonist for a guy that already lost is "creative", lots of it's defenders still think that slop is well written, and it put walkers on a white encrusted planet again and puppet Yoda - a few things that put SW on the map!) which is exactly the problem Disney faces; a total disconnect between execs and the people they hire with legions of fans. If Disney execs all loved pickles, hired people that also loved pickles, and I asked for some good food but hated pickles, guess what they're serving up? And when they look at their social media pages and listen to crowds at D23 the loudest fans still hanging around there are all pickle fans because non-pickle fans left, leading to an echo chamber that tells them how excited they were to watch, buy, and eat pickles. Then they look at numbers, panic, "listen" to fans, and what will they do?
"Creativity? We haven't had a zoophile protag yet, so here's Dunber, the shaved wookie in love with a womp rat! Good writing? Surely that popular Dr Who fanfic writer will get the job done! Things that put SW on the map? Let's adjust that Han-Geedo scene AGAIN!"
... and thus you have the current ever circling death spiral. I mostly gave up on new SW crap after TLJ and outside of Andor, I don't think there's been anything to really challenge that decision.
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What on earth did they spend $230 million on for the Acolyte? None of the actors are huge names, other than maybe Carrie-Anne Moss and she had like less than 60 minutes total of screen time. The CGI and sets looked fine, but nothing spectacular. So where did all that money go?
The Korean actor is a big name (ironically I don’t remember it) and Carrie only had like ten minutes of screen time
Some of the sets were really bad
I agree. Skeleton Crew looked 10x better.
If I had to guess: Standard production costs like all the people that do all of the work that get a 3 second credit at the end made up most of it, which usually happens because things are taking way too long, which usually happens because the script is a mess :D
Cough money laundering cough.
I haven’t even bothered to watch acolyte, but I watched Skeleton Crew, and I thought it was really charming, it’s a shame we won’t be getting more.
Won't we? Was this already announced?
@@Zerzayar Theyve mentioned the kids may cameo in one of the film projects but they dont have any plans to continue Skeleton Crew as the actors are already a couple of years older than when it was filmed (Sep 2022).
Skeleton crew was great because it didnt feel like anything was being said other than have fun and be a kid
@@xonox_868 kinda an issue just if you don't have kids or would just rather watch the goodies imo. Best part of that show was the robot pirate and idk his name.
@@watcherzero5256 This doesn't rule out that the Jod's story could continue from where it was left off.
Skeleton Crew got what Solo got. The backlash from exhausted fans who gave up on SW.
Yes
The difference is that Solo wasn't good.
Skelton Crew had 2 of its episodes released in 2025
@@FlexibleToastit also wasn’t the worst thing in the world. Lando was fun, the imperial army stuff was cool. The maul cameo and woody harrelsons character was fun. Han did suck though 😂
@ the scale of worst thing in the world and not good is massive. Yes, it lies somewhere on the scale. I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it. It was a mediocre, forgettable movie if not for the Star Wars branding.
Star Wars has a similar problem to Halo. It doesn’t feel like there’s any real direction. None of these shows feel connected or building towards anything. They blew their big moves early and are now just throwing random stuff at the wall. It’s also hard to build tension filling in the gaps when we already know what happens. It’s not impossible but it better be good.
It also feels like with both halo and sw that the people who own the properties actively hate their fanbase. Like okay dude, those are your regular customers. Rhere was a time that i would have bought anything sw or halo. But now i just dont care. Its sad. Still love the old stuff tho.
Dude absolutely. SW fans think they're suffering but holy shit I've never seen a franchise die as badly as Halo. Horribly new books creating terrible lore, ruining characters, plot lines that go nowhere. Then the new games had to work with that and flopped hard. Then the live action came in with an axe...
In a way, star wars has the exact same issue as halo. The franchise in itself is a juggernaut, but then they had a dud. (halo 5, VS the sequel trilogy) and then they panicked and they rewrote all their plans they had to avoid the dud but in doing so they rushed it and put out an inferior product which dug the hole deeper. And then they decided to throw money at the problem, and that hasn't worked.
Both franchises need better overall management and a return to solid writing. You don't need to throw money at the problem if you take your time and do it right
I was never really a Star Wars fan (none of the movies are enjoyable). But what makes it impossible for me to get into at this point is how we know the outcome of everything already.
I want to follow the twists and turns of Rebels for its charming cast. But I know NOTHING they do will change the outcome of the rebellion because the outcome was decided like 20 years ago.
Just move the timeline forward, or go to a completely different galaxy ffs!
I'd say it's more like Destiny, it's had much more variation in quality Vs 343 halo imo.
Episode 9 is the worst movie I've seen in theatre and Lightfall is the worst game/dlc I've bought at launch..
both franchises have had some very well received stuff in recent years tho, just balanced out by shear garbage
Eckhart: Makes video covering a major Star Wars fail.
Also Eckhart: "This video is brought to you by Star Trek"
No matter who loses...Eckhart wins. Magic.
Hey, Trek is dead too. Get the money before it's gone.
Star Trek is also bad now
I miss the days where shows had +20 episodes in a season that were all ~45 minutes long.
Now we get less than 10, and the length of an episode fluctuates wildly. Waiting a week for a 20 minutes episode leaves a bitter taste.
This is why I continually go back and rewatch Star Trek series. From the original series all the way up through Enterprise.
My wife and I like going back and watching older shows that we hadn't seen originally. Just watched all the episodes of Xena warrior princess and now I'm back at Twin Peaks. Not saying they are great shows but there's lots of episodes to keep you entertained... 🖖🏻
That's the problem with "prestige TV". It became the driving product for the entertainment industry in mid-2000s. TV shows with the pedigree of motion pictures. The problem is that doesn't scale up well to genres that require epic production scope and special effects. Like fantasy or science fiction. A 22 episode season of 48 minute screenplays wouldn't return on investment.
So the cw?
@@jiopa have you never watched Startrek TNG, Stargate SG1/atlantis.
@@JB-1138 Not a fan of the newer shows? I enjoyed Picard because of the closure to the older shows.
Acolyte was shite and it unfortunately brought down skeleton crew. Neel didn't deserve it
yup. people didn't wanna get burned again
Yeah that’s the real loss in this whole mess.
Ummm actually I read a post on r/StarWarsCantina who say it's the best show ever, so I don't know who to believe
@@austinbaccusyeah….. about that 🤣
Do we know about Skeleton Crew’s future at this point?
I mean the showrunners previous job was to schedule women to be SA'd by her boss. What did you expect?
Not to mention there's a video of her bragging about not knowing how to write a script and still getting hired to do stuff.
This data does kind of explain why Netflix immediately cancels everything, actually
Still sucks.
It's a self-fulfilling circle, though. At this point I rarely even bother watching something new, because even if it's interesting Netflix might just cancel it and then I'm left on a cliffhanger (looking at you, Inside Job)
@@MagosMirka i feel you! its the exact same reason why i dont get invested in anything now and it kills any fun. i really enjoyed inside job as well and they were just getting into the story when it was cancelled, same with farzar and a few others
I will not watch any series until it has finished and have seen that the people that liked it confirm that it had conclusions. I've been pissed off too many times to do anything else. @@DarthB
Nah, Netflix is off doing its own thing. They have shows with great ratings and viewerships that they still end up cancelling. They also hike up prices while removing content. Netflix gets way too much of a free pass that other platforms get crucified for.
I think another major factor here is how much people are willing to spend on streaming services. With the way the world is right now I’d bet the cost is just too great for most people.
Netflix just added a record 18.5mill new subscribers last quarter. Their stock is exploding.
I think people can still afford subscriptions, but they're being more selective about which ones they get.
it depends, atleast in the US median population is able to spend more now than ever. I think people are just tired of slop.
I canceled like 4 of them and was shocked at how much I was paying
Or maybe just don't make a show about lezbo space witches
Disney needs to make sure that they have good scripts before they devote a ton of money into these projects.
Agreed. Star Wars is a world. The only thing that matters is “does this add to the world in a positive way?”
Even when they have what most people agree is a good script i.e. Andor, streaming is just a shit way to make money and they will lose a ton of it, production on 2 seasons of Andor now reportedly up to 650 million and climbing for 2 seasons, how do they recoup that from D+? Frankly they won't and can't. Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+, turned a profit for the first time in the third quarter of 2024 and when you remove ESPN it made a loss. We need to go back to movies and actual real TV imo.
You mean their model of “announce project with current hit director/actor with no script in order to momentarily pump up stock value” doesn’t work beyond that quarter?
Next make sure they have competent producers/directors at the helm before green lighting any aspect of the shows.
The problem is, Disney only knows how to do Disney (and they don't even do that as well as they used to). So, when you have them creating Star Wars or Marvel, the product, more often than not, is not something that long-time fans of the franchises are interested in.
Skeleton Crew was great. Though I can see how it's wouldn't grab people attention. We need some good Star Wars movies. Shows have taken over as the main medium of Star Wars content.
Disney just needs to get away from the entire ip.
As a Star Wars fan who regardless of my feelings towards the franchise and the handling of certain characters will at least try to watch and finish all the content they release.
The marketing for Skeleton Crew did nothing to interest me and while the show itself ended up being significantly better than Acolyte and Obi-Wan Kenobi and it definitely had its moments it still was completely un-interesting to me and I think many Star Wars fans share my reasons.
Its just not what I look for from Star Wars, when I watch Star Wars I want epic action to compliment a compelling sci-fi fantasy story and thats just not what i got from this, especially considering it's basic premise of kids/characters exploring the galaxy for the first time and getting acclimatized to life outside what they know has been done to death in the Disney era with Grogu, Omega, Rey, Finn (to an extent), Trace, etc.
I think had this show come out 5 years ago it would have done better but with Star Wars struggling the way it is it just didn't give us enough of what fans love while breaking enough new ground to entice a larger audience. I don't think its a problem of the medium of streaming, just Lucasfilm consistently not listening to fans and delivering what they've clammering for so that they CAN branch out more like this.
As a first generation fan, the trilogy-model has been a liability from (and including) Episode VI. My personal Star wars all-weekender is Solo, Andor, Rogue one, Hope, Empire and TFA as a standalone.
@@Herkules16 it was your basic heroes journey of unlikely characters pitched into an adventure and growing along the way with a cast of villains out to thwart them from making it home and threatening to destroy their idyllic way of life.
That's all classic star wars.
I see where you are coming from, however i still respectfully disagree.
Star wars is a world which i think is big enough to have nore than just one type of story.
Its a whole galaxy, there is room for action yes, and lots of it, but theres also enough room for aby and all kinds of stories set in the universe.
The issue with the recent project is quality...
One bad project is one thing, but when the majority of your projects are bad it doesnt matter how good the next project is, its going to suffer.@@Herkules16
It feels like Disney wants to wash all the color, energy and life out of their shows. They feel dull, badly written, dark and lifeless. Where the hell is the color? The banter? The dynamic characters with bigger than life personalities? Star Wars is a SPACE OPERA. It needs to be big, bold, loud and colorful. Snark and wit are 90% of the dialogue. But now we have the same grey, poorly lit scenes with dull scenes and dull people and dull personalities doing dull things without any thought. Just remember to shove a lightsaber into a scene and let it go.
The franchise has fallen on its face, and that's because Disney pushed it over.
They tried to add humor to the sequel trilogy…
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Somebody missed Skeleton Crew
I take it if that's your preference you hated Andor too?
all of that and any semblance of a story has been wiped away by inclusivity (DEI) and activism (picking a fight on other peoples behalf). they dont care about story anymore. they pay themselves, their partners and their friends a stupid amout of money as well so they dont really care if it fails or not.
People will accept a lower production value feel for superior story telling. That is what we have not been getting in general,with a couple exceptions.
The persistence of Doctor Who has proven this.
lol I find the Star Trek ad on a Star Wars video hilarious!
I remember a time when we were just excited that Attack of the Clones was coming out. Another movie. Each prequel had its own criticism but held its own weight too. Then RoTS was hype af right? Then we just wanted more. Clone wars show watching each one when it aired. That was hype. What happened? I know Eck would rather just talk about how awesome the lore is, and not the mess of what it’s become 😢
People were sending death threats to the actor of Jar Jar and harrassing the cast of the prequels to a famous degree.
Now is also bad but after the initial trilogy fans got toxic *fast.*
Honestly, I am glad that the Prequels weren’t just the same story we got in the original trilogy.
Really goes to show how unimaginative the new trilogy actually is because it’s literally just “rebels fighting an overwhelming force” again.
The Acolyte was bad. It had a fundamental flaw: they wanted to tell us, that the Jedi, respected if not loved by most of the fans, were actually the bad guys. But they showed them as caring and helpful, like Indara who died in the first episode because she protected an innocent bystander. At the same time, they showed the witches and Qimir as aggressive and manipulative. People often discuss the problem of "show, don't tell". This was a matter of "show vs. tell". The other characters indecisiveness and stupidity nailed the coffin.
But kotor 2 does the exact same thing and everybody loves it.
@@jakefoley9539 You didn't really read the comment, did you. KotOR2 SHOWED us the Jedi having lost their way, and fallen prey to their fear and traditional failings, as well as telling us that. It had a theme, and it stuck to it.
The Acolyte TOLD us 'Jedi bad' and SHOWED us 'Jedi good'. Incompetence was the issue, not theme.
@@Blisterdude123 I never got the message "jedi bad". I felt like the show was trying to tell us they were flawed humans, and it did a decent job at showing that.
@@Blisterdude123 Meh. Kotor 2 is basically just Kreia spouting half understood Nietzsche cliff notes while the writers expect us to go "that's deep!"
@@jakefoley9539 That's how I saw it too. People trying to be good, but fucking up sometimes.
Skeleton Crew suffered the same fate Andor did. Skeleton Crew wasn't a bad show. Some mistakes and touch ups required? Sure, but it was a show you could just enjoy because you knew what it was from the jump. But the shows before Andor and Skeleton Crew killed any potential viewership for them. Andor is amazingly written, none of the other shows were written well, so when you have a show where the writing can be more lax, nobody cares about it.
Andor was an amazing show, but I think its biggest hindrance was... no one really cared about Cassian Andor (before watching it.) He was a character that was just sort of there in Rogue One. Sure he was a Co-lead but he wasn't particularly interesting. I for example put off watching Andor for a long time simply because I wasn't that enthralled by Rogue One and had no interest in Andor's character. After hearing how good the show was, I gave it a watch and finally became invested.
Tbf a lot of people also only care about Star Wars for the Force.
Like, it is a HARD sell to say "hey, the good series is the one without the space wizards and laser swords in this franchise known for being about space wizards with laser swords".
Those stats don't take hate watchers into account and there were plenty of them
Yes they do, unless you mean those who sailed the high seas.
@@rector0455 well obviously the views still count but they aren't being counted as hate watches is what I mean
The lack of quality on shows like Obi-wan and The Acolyte hurt whatever comes after it. Nobody wants to jump into a universe bogged down by trash. Which is a real shame because shows like Andor and Skeleton Crew deserve the love. They really gotta stop putting out subpar things and only one season as well. People are starting to see it like Netflix stuff. Why invest when it won’t get a second season either at all or in a timely manner. Nobody cares when season 2 comes out two years later because they moved the hell on to other shows.
trynna spin bad numbers on the strike instead of, you know, eternal price increases or more and more fracturing of viewerships by having to pay a new sub for every favorite show that used to be on Netflix is... a wild theory.
Price increases for diminishing quality
In the end, the Book of Boba Fett was the biggest story disappointment to me. The choices they made for the character was just abysmal. They had a chance to do a brilliant crime or criminal series and failed to carry anything at all it was absolutely amateurish.
This is how I view it the mandalorian is boba fett and boba fett is who the Mando should be lol 😂 if that makes senses lol
I just started skipping several minutes at a time for the last couple of episodes because they brought in the fucking mandalorian for no reason. His involvement came out of nowhere and now I can’t be invested in any part of the book or boba because hey one episode they might just change the show altogether.
Its easy. I can't remember a single name from acolyte. I can remember the kids names from skeleton crew.
And we love the kids and their actors. All of them. And Jude too.
Ravi (Wim's actor) interacted with fans in a much more mature way than Amandla (Osha/Mei's actor) and Ravi is about 12 YEARS younger than Amandla.
I do genuinely feel that another facet of Acolyte's failure were the behavior of its Screenwriter and Star, particularly Leslye Headland and Amandla Stenberg. They seemed to go out of their way to antagonize fans, and when people were generally critical of the show they defaulted to the usual "You're just a bigot that hates women." Stenberg's comment in an interview that "making white men cry" was the point of the Acolyte as well absolutely didn't help either.
That sort of antagonism would put off a lot of people from watching the show.
Yeah as soon as i heard that, i just got rid of disney+. They clearly dont want my money. I was only keeping the subscription for sw. Marvel lost the plot a while ago. If the single property on the app has become hostile to me, i have no reason to watch.
That's been Disney's unbroken strategy since Rogue One when people complained about them swapping out Kyle Katarn for Jynn Urso.
@@renaissancenovice7202 Counterpoint - The Owl House had a relatively popular fan-crew relationship, and was actually a very good show.
Naturally, Disney cancelled it immediately.
@TommoBoyyo oof
It's part of the problem BUT Acolyte was terrible in it's own without external drama. The story, the writing, the characters, the acting, the directing ... everything is globally bad. Sure, some nuggets of interest can be found here and there (like some fight) but few chocolate chips can't change the taste of a shit cake.
The Acolyte wasn't mediocre, it was outright terrible. Most viewers had this opinion I think, based on the sheer drop in numbers a few episodes in.
I want a reset. I'm just not interested anymore. Disney star wars is rotten to the core, and I was never able to recover from the disgusting mess that was the Book of Boba Fett. I'm done. Just done. Reset or sell, because otherwise, I don't know that star wars and I have a future. I'm just so sick and tired to being antagonized and disappointed.
Ok but Andor. Andor though.
@@s70driver2005
Andor is alright...but I don't care about the guy.
Andor was never a compelling character to me, he's boring. SO FUCKING BORING! I don't care about his contaminated home world, I don't care about him stealing thing and running around. I could never get past the Episode where he escapes his hometown because it left me numb with boredom. He's not fun or cool, everything is so drab and slow, and while I can appreciate it at some level, its not what I want for Star WARS.
Give me armies! Give me Generals! Give me heroes! Give me special forces, orbital invasions, Space Combat on a massive scale! Give me motherfucking battles, and skirmishes, retreats, feints, and ambushes. Give me fucking WAR in my Star Wars!
I never found Andor compelling despite its quality, I've gone too long without Star Wars before it, and that show does not scratch my itch at all. I don't care about the corporate authority, I don't fucking care about the piping on Officer Asshole's suit. I don't care about Andor's girlfriend, or unfair work hours, or old ladies funerals. All of that can come AFTER I've seen something worth watching.
I want to see the New Republic face new Galactic contenders, not repeat the past like it didn't happen. I want to see leaders of armies vying with the ethical challenges of invading or defending their factions in a real armed conflict. No more fucking rebels sneaking around, I want an actual war between powers worthy of the name. I want the Jedi to be challenged by what comes AFTER the sith, and how that challenge manifests.
I Want Star Wars, not just some story told in the Star Wars Universe. I want War Among the Stars, for compelling and powerful reasons. I want resource conflicts, schemes and ambitions for conquest. I want alien armies and new Dominance cultures to challenge the borders of what our heroes have fought to create or preserve.
Andor...is not worth everything that has come with it, not even a little bit, not even close. Andor is alright, its good. But its a feather on a scale filled with 10 pounds of literal shit. It does not make the difference I need.
@@s70driver2005
In short, Andor is good. But a Billion Light years from being good enough.
“They need to tear it all down and start over just for me, the most important viewer” 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Oh I'm not allowed to voice a damn opinion? If Star Wars was thriving, You'd never hear the words. But news flash Joey, its not. and its not for good reason. Its BORING. If you like it, then good for you, but your preferences bore me, and the majority of the old fanbase and audience. What, should we stay the course and keep it as drab as dirt, just for you Joe?
The other shows were magnum opuses in comparison.
Acolyte tried to deconstruct Star Wars while Skeleton Crew stayed true to the spirit of Star Wars. Streaming doesn't seem as profitable as five years ago.
For kanobi I wouldn't say the quality was the issue. It was the goofiness and bait and switch. Might as well call it reva.
Yeah the "quality" that was in question was the plot and writing.... not the CGI
...and that could've been ok, if Reva had been portrayed better. I couldn't tell if it was bad acting, bad writing, or both - but Reva could have been waaay better than what we got.
@RandomBitzzz I don't care about her character. I felt like they could've just focused on Kanobi more. Cause you know it was named Kanobi.
@@jasperxmaster9703 as opposed to "Kenobi"
@@jasperxmaster9703 if you go down that road then they should have called it Leia.
Disney has gotten me _dangerously close_ to the point of not caring about Star Wars any more.
I no longer care. Like for Star Trek I am happy to pretend not much if anything new exists.
I am there. I can't even watch the old stuff anymore
It's had the opposite effect on me. It's made me appreciate the pre-Disney Star Wars content so much more. I've been getting into reading the legends content that disney decanonized. There's a lot of good material there to keep me entertained and I personally don't accept the sequel movies as canon anymore.
Already there sadly. I still enjoy old content. Still probably gonna play the next jedi game and watch andor, but aside from that, ive checked out. Same with halo. I just dont care much about the new stuff. Not disney, but same concept.
Besides Mandalorian and Andor I just completely ignore all their star wars content. I still enjoy a lot of the pre Disney stuff and the legends timeline a lot more than the crap Disney made.
I used to be really excited about new Star Wars shows. Now I couldn't care less. I'll definitely watch Andor season 2 but I won't bother with the rest anymore. The world is too expensive to pay for a subscription to terrible shows.
Sponsored by THE ENEMY 1:32
You mean Disney?
Star Trek
Acolyte's problems were easy to see: 1) Poor Writing, 2) Poor Acting, 3) Poor Directing. The entire show had about the same 'quality' as a mini-show from Sid & Mary Krofft 'Krofft Supershow' circa 1976.
Mando season 3, Obi Wan, and the Acolyte are the reasons we don't trust Disney. These are the low quality slop shows we're talking about. There are others, like Ahsoka, She Hulk and Echo. But the three you mentioned weren't "Hurt" by other low quality productions. They were the low quality productions!
FYI, when we say "Low quality", we aren't talking about special effects, acting or filming. We are talking about one thing: Writing. It's like these folk have never seen Star Wars before, and it shows.
I'd have gone back to before they released anything to when "they killed the EU", but better late than never.
@renaissancenovice7202 My list was meant to demonstrative. Not comprehensive.
I 100% agree. Almost every decision Disney made about Star Wars was the wrong decision. Mando Season 1 and 2 are decent, Rogue One is okay, but everything else has been bad (Skeleton Crew is okay also).
I didn't mention Andor. Because I don't understand what the fans saw in that show. It was boring and joyless.
Mando S3 felt like a Sanitized Disney ride
You said writing issue for mando season 3, obiwan, acolyte and then you said Andor is boring and joyless. Can I ask what you consider "good writing?"
@clister. You found one example that you disagree with, therefore all my examples are invalid? Not sure it works that way.
But sure. I'll humor you.
Breaking Bad. Game of Thrones season 1-4. House on Haunted Hill. The Fall of the House of Usher. Cobra Kai. (this list is demonstrative, not comprehensive)
But if we're sticking to Star Wars, let's say Episodes 3-6. Knights of the Old Republic pt 1. Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor. (same rule. Not comprehensive).
The fact that we disagree about one show does not mean that the other shows are written well. That's not how it works.
What really sucks about streaming is a lot of good shows get ok launches and need time to be discovered but because the goal is profit and not "makeing good shows" (capitalism is cancer after all) we don't even get the chance to discover shows naturally.
They either burst out the door or die on arrival. Plus many are just slop anyway because somehow that is profitable
I find it crazy that, at this point, animated shows are seemingly less expensive than live-action ones. You would think having to animate 100% of all the visuals would be expensive, but I guess when live-action is 50% animated at this point, and that animation needs to look like real life, it starts to make more sense.
It's such a shame Skeleton Crew didn't do better. It's one of the best Star War things ever, alongside Andor. I do hope more people watch it due to word of mouth but knowing Disney they'll just remove it from the app.
I just hope Disney loses enough money with Star Wars to the point that they're forced to make drastic changes. As long as KK and everyone associated with her is in charge Star Wars will never climb out of the hole it is in.
The bigger problem is Disney, imo. I don’t think even George Lucas can save it at this point.
@@HydratedBeans And yet it would be soo easy. Erase the sequels from canon, adapt the Thrawn trilogy books(with some necessary changes to fit into the lore established by the prequels). What's that I hear you say? The OG cast is too old/dead? RECAST THEM!
@@PaulXPZ lol, you think there is any chance of some of the most famous characters in film history getting recast.
Any chance of doing anything with these characters died in 2013 when they refused to use their legacy characters correctly and create the films Lucas sketched out for them for a sequel trilogy.
Just bury it already “He’s already de@d!”
When you make a mess of canon like that there's no fixing it besides retconning everything and starting over.
@@PaulXPZ You're delusional.
The Acolyte was complete garbage. There was nothing notable about the show and it wouldn't've received the attention it did if it wasn't marketed as Star Wars. Lucasfilm has a serious quality control problem. Experimental shows like this should start with several (pilot) episodes on a relatively small budget and only if these are popular should they consider making more.
i wouldn't worry about star wars execs. if they still have jobs by now they'll never be fired.
I still maintain that Kathleen Kennedy must have some primo dirt on the Disney execs, that is the only explanation on how she still has a job. Her level of failure and the amount of money she has lost Disney is probably unprecedented in the entertainment industry. It's not even just Star Wars she has tanked, you also have to look at the dismal financial disaster of the last Indiana Jones movie and the Willow sequel that was such an epic fail that they removed it from their own streaming service. I dare anyone to explain, logically and rationally, how she remains in charge of Lucasfilm.
I don’t get it either man my theory is they don’t wanna look bad firing a women ceo? Or whatever she is lol 😂 if you look at her IMDB all of her movies are sequels and horrible
“Shocking new viewer data”
Shocking when everyone said it was shit, didn’t watch it, shitted on it, complained about how bad it was and they’re shocked it barely had any viewers.
It had viewers, it's Disney+ itself that doesn't have the viewership. Acolyte only lost out to Percy Jackson for the year, so people just weren't watching anything from Disney+.
@ XD
I love the irony of a Star Trek game ad for a Star Wars video. It's perfect.
The one thread running through all disneys failures is shit storytelling
I actually think having big budgets is one of things that's hurting Star Wars. If a show has a huge it's a huge investment which means the people with the money are going to want to make that investment as safe as possible. When budgets are smaller it allows more creative freedom because the studio isn't betting the farm so they let weirder ideas through.
I like how the walking dead was considered insanely expensive at about ten million per episode the first season (i might be misremembering the exact amount but it was a lot less than even kenobi)
Skeleton Crew is pure fun, loved every episode... On the other hand, Acolyte was utter junk, pretentious, cheap looking, lazy, and boring.
Greatest tragedy for Acolyte was the death of Jeckli. I felt like she was one of the only characters that had places to go, followed closely by Yord - He was starting to pull that stick out of his behind. But these are only two bad notes in an entire orchestral arrangement of bad notes =/
yeah its kind of amazing the show was focused on easily the worst characters in the cast; the twins.
No, no thats not it.
I dont think most people cared about that character. She was barely fleshed out.
Hiring people based on how they look and who they are attracted to, rather than their merit and passion for the IP results in projects that focus on how people look and attracted to and not their merits.
You don't have more likes because ecks audience is part of the problem.
@@rector0455100%. They’re all grasping at straws and they still don’t get it. “Well, actually it was this that caused the acolyte to fail”.
They keep making excuse after excuse for these people and it’s tiring.
I couldn't even finish pirating it from how boring it was
People who are passionate about their work inspire passion in the fans, people who think in terms of IP and viewer demographics inspire boredom. If you're contemptuous of the viewers and assume that they're stupid cattle who will placidly consume whatever fodder is put before them then they will be just as contemptuous of you and your products. That's equally true for Star Trek, the MCU, Lord of the Rings, and whatever other franchise you care to name.
the chuckle at 3:23 was really funny
0:24 I got Men in Tights vibes there. "Maybe if you tell me the bad news in a good way, it won't seem so bad..."
"But this is terrible news!"
😜
I'm gonna be honest. They need to take a few years off and focus on making some really good stuff if they wanna see some returns.
Really surprised to see a sponsored Star Trek spot. I’d love to see some Star Trek videos, if you ever feel up to it. Your lore and ship breakdowns are always great, I think they’d transfer well to ST.
Sadly find no joy in Star Wars anymore.
0:42 TRAITOR!!!
I think part of the problem streaming has is the low quality of storytelling. When they lean into the idea of shows as background noise rather than as something worth putting your phone down for, they produce garbage that people just aren't as interested in watching. These big productions should be designed with compelling stories. Social media like UA-cam and Tiktok provide plenty of background noise content. Streaming services should provide main even content.
Most streaming shows are better than the average show from the 90’s and 80’s. I’d watch Acolyte over “10 is enough” or “Kung Fu the legend Continues” any day of the week.
They should have just fired the writers when they striked.
They arent producing anything worthwhile anyways.
2:51
Mixed? Mixed? Someone's trying to stay on Disney's good side.
It was almost entirely panned by the consumer base. The only people who liked it were payed by Disney.
Who is getting paid to enjoy shows? Where can I sign up to make extra cash by just watching streaming slop? Sounds like a nice gig...
The Acolyte was Star Wars in name only.
I'm just surprised by the "low" minutes of view time for Agatha All Along...
The MCU is suffering from the same issues as Star Wars. They’ve put out so much garbage the brand is tainted. People aren’t tuning in for the really good series after being burned so much by the trash shows.
@mittensfastpaw so happy someone talked me into watching Andor! I still can't convince my best friend to watch it - he's done!
I have so far refused to watch Agatha because I fucking hate that trite little song they named it after. 🤷♂️
Agatha All Along has low viewing minutes because it was just as terrible if not worse than the acolyte.
If you're surprised by that, you need new sources, because your old ones aren't informing you.
Damn...Star Trek advertising on a SW video is a power move 😂
Not really, Star Trek is in an even worse state than Star Wars is currently, if you can even believe that.
@@rector0455
No Star wars is in much worse shape.
Disney took the time to crap all over Luke, Han and Leia. Where is Star Trek is not crapping all over their legacy characters.
@@rector0455 Are you kidding? Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds are some of the best Trek we've had in decades.
Disney Star Wars turned me into a Trekkie. I have no shame in admitting it. Not the newer shows like STD (Star Trek: Discovery - great acronym, you idi0ts lol), but TNG, DS9, and even Voyager and Enterprise are all so enjoyable. Admittedly, I don't like the Original series THAT much, but I do like it from a historical context.
:D
@@LeftJoystick
Kind of in the same boat here. I used to always prioritize Star wars over Star Trek although I like both of them. And these days I heavily gravitate towards Star Trek over Star Wars. I have not watched Picard or Star Trek Discovery.
Huh, seems hiring people who despise and detract from the IP isn’t a good idea- who’da thunk?
Are these people in the room with us?
well they thought insulting the fanbase before the show was even out (male and pale is stale and the like) was a good idea so they definitely aren't the smartest and blaming us for it failing when we were told 'its not for you' and 'dont bother watching it' so we didnt.
@@rhel373 Yes, I hear such people are currently butchering The Witcher. But in all seriousness, the Screenwriter and Amandla Stenberg have had little but vitriol for anyone with an even remotely critical opinion of the show. Leslye Headland tends to go out of her way to antagonize original Star Wars fans.
Not Disney, obviously.
@@renaissancenovice7202 You know, the confusing part is when people who want to make "Woke" (I hate to use this word in conversation, but it gets the job done) shows get a chance, they are invariable thrown under busses almost immediately.
Source: The Owl House.
A creative, fresh, exciting, well made, well written show, which people would almost positively call "woke", which had a committed and excited fanbase....
Good viewership. 31.50 times the average demand for a Disney+ series. One of the most in-demand shows on Disney+ in 2022. Sixth most streamed show in the United States when the final season aired....
And Disney cancelled it.
My conspiracy theory is that it's because Disney doesn't want to do animation anymore and it was the last 'loose end' left to tie down.
But the simple fact is this. Disney doesn't want "Woke" shows, either.
6:47 that’s something I noticed when Disney took over: flashbacks. Star Wars didn’t used to do that, but now everything has them, the movies and the shows. And they’re constantly the weakest part of their projects, ex the boba fett flashbacks, the andor flashbacks, the Asoka flashbacks, the Luke-wants-to-kill-kylo flashbacks, I could go on and on. Point is, they keep using flashbacks and they keep doing a bad job of it. It’s not even that the sequences themselves are bad, they just destroy the pacing, ex the book of boba fett was edited so all the flashbacks happened in chronological order and it was 200% improved. Skeleton crew is the only project that I saw from Disney that so far hasn’t used excessive flashbacks, although I’ve only just started it.
Kind of agree but the Boba Fett flashbacks were the best part of the show and the Andor flashbacks were very good as well
@ as I said the boba fett flashbacks themselves edited in chronological order were good, a little better then the non flashbacks, but I still disagree about the andor flashbacks: knowing he came from some backwater mining world didn’t really add anything. The flashbacks could’ve ended up on the cutting room floor and nothing would be lost that a line of dialogue couldn’t fix. They weren’t bad, I’m not saying that, but they were the weakest aspect of andor. The flashbacks in kenobi weren’t bad either but that was an editing nightmare.
2:38 the lightsaber blades look off since they started using toys as props.
They can't get the hilts right either, in Acoshyte they were comically oversized and then I see a still of Jude Law's char from Skeleton crew and he's holding a lightsaber that looks like it was made for Yoda or a youngling.
Go woke go...
Can't wait for more Andor.
I enjoyed aspects of the Acolyte. I legit think that the Stranger is one of the best characters introduced to the franchise under Disney.
He didn’t turn back to the light, he wasn’t related to anyone special, he has no redeeming qualities because he’s a Sith. He’s fundamentally selfish.
Him mercilessly killing all of those Jedi really showed what a Sith has to do when backed into a corner.
The rest I could take or leave. The flashbacks should have been majorly cut down to allow for more on screen flipping of teams.
Gay
Agreed, and Manny Jacinto was on point with his performance too. Its a shame that Amandla Stenberg was not as good given how much screentime she had and that frankly the writing was really poor for the show as I would have loved more of Jacinto and his character, especially in a better production.
@@mouthbreather781 Username checks out
Sure, but you know Disney tried to make him "morally ambiguous" rather than irredeemable. They tried to make the Jedi the bad guys, rather than the Stranger fundamentally selfish.
On paper many of the ideas for this show could have been amazing. I was super hyped when this show was revealed. But IMO they dropped the ball at every instance on the implementation
Alas he is also the self insert of the morally ambiguous writers trying to subvert the notion that good really exists and insisting the villains are just misunderstood.
I think mainly, what's happening is people are becoming burnt out on streaming. The market is just over saturated.
I’ve always been a huge Simpsons fan and when my kid said “Why don’t you watch any of the new ones” my immediate response was about how I barely have time and I basically have to aggressively force myself to watch the even small amount of shows I do watch.
bruh, the acolyte was lore breaking, tf you mean you dont know why
New and casual viewers wont know that
Reading out numbers. What fun. I am sure there must some way to visualize those to make them easier to follow.
They didn't put their best foot forward. And until they do, this will continue...
I honestly don't see a future for Star Wars
Disney needs to focus on one streaming series at a time, as well as only one movie at a time. It has diluted the quality of SW content by spamming movies and shows not well thought out. Plus, it is now dividing the SW fanbase like never before. That was unthinkable from 1977 to 1999. Yeah, the Prequels started a rift, but Disney is now ripping it wide open.
I mean you can only dump out uninspired outsourced slop for so long
The Acolyte wasn't mediocre, it was absolutely terrible.
When you talked about all the explanation and flashbacks, it made me think of the videos explaining that streaming content is produced to be watched in the background, so they can't rely on the audience actually paying attention. I see videos now talking about watching a movie "raw". That is in one sitting without opening your phone or a second screen. I am such a boomer...
Man, that sucks. I loved the show and thought it could go in some really interesting directions in season 2
Loved??
Mickey standing in the shadow, sees you seeing him, with a loss-report in your hands for the Disney-plus, he unclips a metallic rod from his belt, with disappointment in his tone, he states "To do this brings me no pleasure, ha-hAh, it has to be done" firmly grasps the metallic rod, igniting it and revealing it to be a light-saber.
Streaming has broken up viewership probably worse than the days of cable TV. It used to be you'd just need Prime or Netflix to view most shows. Now you need streaming accounts on HBO, Paramount, Disney, and who knows what else. Too many services, too many shows, not enough quality or interesting material. I've heard all about shows I've never seen, mostly because it's a past time to bash Star Wars at this point. Seriously I can't see spending that much money to try and catch shows that don't seem worth it.
Just when you think it couldn't get worse, The Acolyte does.
6:24 - Solid disagree here. The jungle planet clearly looked like was shot on a soundstage.
I agree, the sets looked like crap to me
The Volume was kind of a dead end though. It seemed like it worked well for Mando s1, but the more they use it, the more obvious it is and the cheaper shows that use it look
At this point, I really just want Disney to realize that they have a ton of money and can totally afford to make risky projects that don't pan out. Especially in the age of streaming, this can be an absolute gold mine because a show may do terrible upon release, but then 3 years later, people rediscover it and it explodes in popularity and brings countless people to your platform
Having insane amounts of money should insulate you from having to make short term choices. Yet, Disney is acting like they are gonna go bankrupt every quarter and are barely scraping by. They have yearly profits in the tens of billion (not revenue - profit) and it increases year over year every year. I know people are gonna be silly and pretend it is because of CEO bonuses or something, but that isn't the reason. The reason is that they are so focused on quarterly reports that they ignore the year or 5 year period or 10 year period. I think the problem is that all of the experience and knowledge focuses on short term because that is how most companies have to function, but Disney gets to be an exception. I just want them to embrace it.
New outro song has a bit of a Risk of Rain 2 vibe; I like it.
The issue is they are not listing to the fan base, we want Old Republic, we want Sith focused, we want band of brothers style clone wars.
Even band of brothers style empire/rebels stuff would be good.
It's just bad, no explnation needed. Bad story, bad acting, bad plot, bad everything, not to say boring as well.
Maybe Disney/Marvel/Star Wars should take at least a page or two out of the Japanese playbook. For years, Japanese live action and animated media generally have small budgets for their projects compared to US big studio project budgets. I am not saying Disney should be making anime. What I am saying Disney needs to squeeze blood from a stone and produce well written scripts with flushed out characters. The poster child example is Godzilla Minus One. 10-15 million bucks to make that made around $113-114 million outside of Japan.
The difference is, Japan makes those projects for the fans, Disney makes Star Wars for the "Modern Audience" and that killed Star Wars.
Disney giving up Netflix deal was a critical mistake. They can't compete with Netflix in viewer base and loyalty.
Disney really needs to go home & rethink its life before coming out with new content
Mickey stepping out of the shadows, "I find your lack of viewer retention... disturbing.'