Trek Culture - YOUR Figures are way off, it does NOT take into Account that the ENT-D is NOT a Warship, that it Actually took the CREW's Family into Space, and the ENT-D had a Large NURSERY and Childcare, it had SCHOOLS up to JR College level, it had a LARGE Medbays to deal with CREW and Civilian Injuries. it had a Large Security section , providing TOTAL Security for CREW, Passangers and NON - Starfleet. and ENT-D had Large off DUTY areas for Passangers, CREW and NON- Starfleet to Mingle. Ent -D even had a Holotheater, Swimming pool, Gymnasium and other TRAINING Areas in Addition to Holodecks so, your Figures are BUNK.
YOU Missed that the Origional ENT-D has a MEDUSAN Navigator Station and a MEDUSAN Habitat. this was so the CREW would not go MAD when Encountering the Medusan Navigator.
A more accurate answer to your initial question (joke) is Majel Barrett. She was the voice of the enterprise and I believe all starships in every series except "Enterprise" where there was no computer voice.
@@adamcroft80 Sure, but I'd consider a voice actor more of a character than a spaceship, especially when the ship in question is NOT the same ship in each version of Star Trek.
Majel Barrett-Roddenberry actually was acting in every single Episode as the computer's voice, both TOS and TNG (and later series). That alone had a profound impact on the feeling of the show itself. May she rest in peace ♥️
@@videodistroDang I didn't pay attention there 😮 but captain Picard took care of how the enterprise computer should work 😅. He also had that continuous red alert blaring silenced. In the rest of the series on red alert there was only a few blares and then only the visual indication. Way better😎
She started voicing the computer both on TOS and TNG a few episodes into the production of the show. As an actress though, she was in 4 of the 5 shows from before the turn of the millennium. TOS as Number One and Nurse Chapel. TAS as some character. And TNG and DS9 as the ever lovely Lwaxana Troi, daughter of the fifth house, holder of the sacred chalice of Rixx, heir to the holy rings of Betazed
One interesting fact about the Enterprise D is that it was large enough to hold 18,000 people in crowded conditions. And while Probert originally conceptualized the Enterprise D, it was an aerospace engineer that designed the ship Deck by Deck. His name was Ed Whitefire. You Can still find his designs on the Internet.
Don't forget the restrooms on the bridge. They were behind Worf; on the opposite side of the main turbolift onto the bridge and next to the door for the conference room. So every time you see a background character walking around that little bend, they're going to pee.
Morgan McCrindle yea there's only so many times they can slingshot around the sun .... they figured we better prepare for the next visit from our whale gods
Well, why forbit the second most intelligent species (after the mice) to forbit to go to space travel would really be outrageous of us, the third most intelligent species on earth ;)
10:25: Was this another deliberate mistake designed to generate comments. Or was it a sly comment from the editor. Either way look forward to the next one where we discover the location of the Poop Deck
My thoughts exactly! I imagine the cetacean crew could learn to communicate with the Xindi Aquatics very quickly. Imagine them exchanging gossip about their respective primate species! 😉 Oh, and it's a good thing Livingston was a poisonous lionfish, otherwise Jellico might have fed him to the dolphins! 😁
As part of a group nerdy kids in the 80s, we caught on to the cetaceans mention and we went wild! We came out with fanfic about an extra-galactic exploration ship that had Cetacean crew and 1 officer, the chief navigator was a dusky dolphin! Yep. The ship was whale shaped somewhat. We went for encounter suits/force fields that would allow the dolphins to roam about, floating in the air and interact with humanoid crew without needing to be in their own section of the ship. I mean why not! The interior of the ship's "saucer" was also hollow and huge.
Engineers of our time: Space is valuable on board of a ship; let’s use it as efficient as we can. Engineers of the Federation: Let’s build the Galaxy Class.
Well the enterprise D was the flag ship and a prestiege projeckt. It was meant to show all the technological might of the federation and not be your average miranda class. It is like those massive skyscrapers that are menat to be vertical cities with halve the space empty 5 years later because of the redicouless rent costs. Also a function of the galaxy class was to resettle entire colonys. So you needed the space the that amount of people + their stuff.
I own and love those blueprints of this massive imaginative starship. I always thought the Enterprise came with "Whale Tanks" just in case they happened to meet the Whale Probe seen in Star Trek IV. The central stairway also seen in this thumbnail (just above the wave in the middle) is a sensible addition to the turbolift system - and was of course never shown or hinted at in any episode were the turbolifts failed.
I always wondered what you did when a fire broke out on a starship. Turbolifts are basically really sophisticated elevators. Where are the stairs on most of the ships? Or is it just kind of your stuck in the tin can with a fire, stairs wouldn't matter?
While they never really showed the central stairs, TNG *did* show several ways of moving around the ship, like various hatchways, tubes, and laddereways ..
@@benullom2301 I agree that they should have had stairs. But it's totally possible that they had stairs, but we never see them. It would make sense in the Defiant to have stairs due to its height and the amount of decks. But, they also had Jeffrey tubes, named after Matt Jeffreries, who designed the original Enterprise.
Right we did see all sorts of access throughout the ship, even if we never saw an actual stairwell, and then I thought of this logically. If a fire broke out on a starship it would be as simple as evacuating the area, sealing it I'm from the rest of the ship, and terminating the life support in the effected area, no oxygen no fire.
@@benullom2301 During a fire a force field suppression system would constrict the fire and let it burn up all it's own oxygen within the field so it self-extinguished, basically a choking method. But with the Jeffries tubes, you could still get around from deck to deck, it would just be very inconvenient.
That might be the first time I've actually smiled due to an _Enterprise_ retcon and/or continuity error. 🤓 EDIT: By which I mean to say that it's neat how due to Cetacean Ops not being shown on TNG, the insertion of the Xindi war into 22nd Century history, is *not* a continuity error, for once.
13:02 Actually, they did implement it in star Trek Enterprise. The Xindi race the aquatics. Though not used in the same manner. It was basically setting dolphins or whales into a comunity with humanoids.
Although Ivan Tors & cast sure made it work in producing "Flipper." (I wonder what changed: the dolphins or the production methods? What happened, right?)
@@tommytwotacos8106 She was 1st officer on Pike's crew, but Pike was not the first captain of the NCC-1701. That was Robert April, who had his own first officer (NOT Number One.)
I paused the video when he asked that question and wracked my brain. Majel Barret was the only possibility I could come up with. Was disappointed to find it was a silly joke. :)
The part about the dolphins and whales makes sense after the events of Star Trek IV...of course Starfleet had an interest in the whale's well being after they were reintroduced. And it makes total sense that some Starfleet scientist decided that they were going to figure out how to communicate with them, because Starfleet.
Almost this, from the novel Dark Mirror: Hwiii ih'iie-uUlak!ha' Addressed as "Hwiii" for short. A Delphine commander, native of Triton Two, essentially a sapient dolphin. A member of the Starfleet navigation research team, Hwiii is a graduate of Harvard and La Sorbonne, and an expert in hyperstrings. Hwiii had been on sabbatical researching so-called "clean" hyperstrings near the galactic rim when the Enterprise arrived for its patrol. After the initial "switch", Hwiii immediately recognized that a dimensional transfer had taken place, causing him significant distress. Hwiii worked with Geordi La Forge and the Enterprise engineering staff to construct a replica of the ISS Enterprise switchback device, in order to return to the primary universe. He also derived the plan to send the Imperial vessel back to its home universe and prevent a further incursion/capture. Hwiii navigates through the ship in a force field containing water to allow him to breathe outside of his specially-designed flooded guest quarters, and an antigravity unit that allows him to "swim" through the air, as well as a machine translator to make it easier to communicate with the crew.
Jeah but even with crew and families the enterprise is gigantic and leer! The one that measure the population and the space has the families with in is calculation
@@-Gothicgirl- Sure, but there were definitely more than crew in the lounge areas. No doubt, some of the lounges and recreation areas were reserved for crew only, but not all.
Civilian contractors for sure, like the bolian who was the barber. Also remember how big their quarters were. In TOS crewmen bunked multiples to a room. In TNG everybody got basically a one bedroom apt,unless u had family, then u got bigger digs,
I wonder if the positive resolution to the Human-Xindi conflict in early Starfleet history and the Xindi Aquatics had anything to do with the development of Cetacean Ops.
You know, whether it's intentional or not, I could see this development happening after The Voyage Home; While the mysterious probe has never been officially explained, perhaps Starfleet learned from the experience and developed Cetacean Ops as a consequence... Which may have also been instrumental in increased navigational and warp speed capabilities in those short generations. Funny how some ideas may seem to not be related, but when put on a story board, the transition seems... fluid.
@@Persian-Immortal I was, and am, a big fan of both franchises, and have seen episodes of each multiple times. Though I noted no direct steals, I have no doubt that there were many cases of the writers being influenced by previous episodes or by other content, such as short stories or books, either Sci-Fi or classical, such as Shakespeare, that have served as common inspiration for both franchise's writers. It's par for the course.
@@Persian-Immortal - Especially in that one episode in Voyager where crew members were abducted and implanted with false memories and sent to work in some kind of industrial plant ... vs the the SG-1 episode where the team members were abducted and implanted with false memories... yes... same plot.
Actually Roddenberry had envisioned the Enterprise landing on a planet. But due to budget constraints he had to create a convincing plot device that could allow them to land on the planet. Hence the "transporter". Now the real world reference. Stargate's gates work on a principal of deconstructing the item, sending it through hyperspace, and reintegrating it at the destination. Star Trek is different as it uses a transitional state of energy to "shift" an object or person to a location as opposed to breaking them down and putting them back together. That's the closest to teleportation as it does not rely on breaking up atoms, simply shifting them to a higher energy state and relocating them.
I thought Enterprise D did. Worf's Son went to school with other kids. That boy that wanted to be like Data did too. And Clara, the one with the scary imaginary friend came on with her father.
Some 1000 to 1100+ people on board, only "a few hundred crew" actually required to operate all ship systems, maybe a few hundred more specialists and scientists and such for multi-role exploration missions, all the rest families and children and teachers and pediatricians and civilians and visitors. But the generally didn't emphasize the idea much past first season because it would seem too stupid to order a ship full of children to charge a Borg cube or dive into a space anomaly, most of the writers didn't want a -military- exploration ship to be constrained by families and domestic issues.
Yup. I seem to recall an entire episode about separating the saucer section to protect the "noncombatants" (to use a term they wouldn't have), which was essentially family housing, support staff, schooling, medical, recreation, etc, from the main ship. So, the crew and actual ship functions would all have been in just the lower section.
The aircraft carrier you showed for comparison is USS Nimitz (CVN 68), on which I was stationed from 2006-2011, and from this experience I can vouch that real military ships are INCREDIBLY crowded. There is a lot of machinery, ammunition, fuel, etc. that takes up most of the space, so living and working spaces are packed in as tightly as possible to fit around them.
@@nimblehealer199 I remember that lol. He also said he wanted to get out of the mirror universe because all his friends probably were eaten. He was also the first one to figure out they were not in their home universe.
Good shirts were almost twice as likely to die... there were just way more red shirts on the ship. Literally almost 5 times as many. So of course they’d be more likely to be shown dying.
CBS did one of their most massive blunders ever in shutting down Stage 9. Had they instead endorsed the fan project it would have been a much needed boost to classic Trek!
#2. I always imagined that the crew were as in "listed personal". So the amount of non listed crew could be double or triple. Like Bartenders, entertainers, cooks, family, schools, kids, refugees, colonists, travellers, and diplomatic staff. Take into consideration a modern OASIS class cruise ship. They have a capacity of 2200 personnel or "staff". But the capacity of the ship with all the visitors and cruisegoers was actually 6780, with a total capacity of aprox 8,900 people.
I like to think that, during the nightshift, little hatches pop open on the walls and an army of roomba's get to work getting rid of Spot's hidden turds before the captain wakes up.
Thats because Dolphins would only be able to do land missions on water planets. And well, I would say, the technology for dolphins to run ships came from the Xindi. I mean, they had a complete aquatic species with their own ships.
@@girlgarde It might be hard on creatures evolved to live in a buoyant state, having their bodies fully bearing down on whatever support structure encased them. Then again, some technomagic antigrav voodoo would probably solve that. Still, I'm glad they didn't follow through with that, because the CGI to render them in a believable manner just wasn't there. It would have been hokey.
The origins of Cetacean Ops might have been with *seaQuest DSV* and Darwin. That the ship had aquatic passageways to allow Darwin roam around was brilliant!
I own the technical manual for the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-D and if you look at the cutaway schematic that is on the back wall of main engineering, you can find unusual items spread about the ship. A Porsche 911, a mouse and other odd stuff. It's something that the show's producers put in for the fans. It's the same with the nameplates on doors as some will have famous quotes or taglines from other movies and shows. One is "In space, no one can hear you scream...", the tagline from Alien. There are many more.
This is true but most of the Enterprise was also put aside for evacuating of colonists and saving other ships you got to put their people who are evacuated somewhere not to mention dignitaries and peace envoys
I think the computer cores were alleged to be surrounded in a small subspace distortion field / warp field in order to enable Faster Than Light processing. So crew members probably couldn't directly interact with them anyway, unless one of them was shut down (there were 2 in Saucer, 1 in stardrive).
Static lightspeed field? In Star Wars, they did something similar where it was used by the First Order Mega Destroyer to track the Resistance through lightspeed.
I think I remember that they addressed the amount of space within the various technical guides and encyclopedias. Didn't they say that this was a multiplatform, multipurpose ship with the capacity to run simultaneous missions. Empty spaces were set up to house huge numbers of additional crew or passengers (but strangely not the Irish. Much like a 1970s UK B&B the Irish stereotypes were not allowed to sleep in the bedrooms. Despite having a reincarnated Maureen O'Hara they had to stay in a cargo bay), shifting equipment and so on. I'm sure I read that it was modular and could slot out whole sections for specific mission profiles. It does make sense. They have the space to pick up the crew and key equipment from multiple other vessels, to take what is needed to resolve planetary scale problems. Kirk was Captain Cook, off exploring the unknown with the authority and power of his backers going with him. Picard wasn't just exploring, he was Star Fleet. Other ships still did what Kirk did but when a Galaxy Class vessel arrived it was supposed to be like a Federation outpost or Space Station had been set up in the local area.
Very true, and I believe you are correct about the modular design. A large portion of ship interior was devoted to science labs and such. But there were great swaths left open for colony transfers, diplomatic missions, rescues and the like. Also it was built during a time of relative peace for the Fed so it was made with exploration in mind, not war.
Good video, but you left out my favorite part of the Enterprise-D that’s in the tech manual. How did they feed and clothe everyone on board? The food replicators were an off-chute of the transporter system. They could recreate any meal from a recipe in the computer system, but it wasn’t created from thin air. It’s still matter, so where did this matter come from? In the largest cargo hold of the Enterprise was a giant block of “generic matter.” When someone ordered a meal from the replicator, it took a small amount of this generic matter and recreated the cheeseburger or cup of earl grey tea. It was then transported to the customer. But, how was this block of generic matter resupplied? From the sewer system! All the toilets on board the Enterprise were also replicators. It would take your waste matter, change it back to the generic matter and transport it to the cargo hold. No laundry facilities, either. Old uniforms were transformed into generic matter after use and new uniforms created from the same giant block. In this case, all matter is just matter.
I'm guessing they wouldn't need to haul a big load of generic matter everywhere they go. Space is full of matter, even gas particles that the bussard collectors pull in just by flying around. Also, to prevent hoarding situations, crewmen may need to discard stuff in order to get new stuff.
I think that you're forgetting that all matter is just organized energy. The most simple demonstration of which is the unpacking of that energy through either atomic fusion or atomic fission, especially in the event of an atomic bomb. Very little matter, huge energy release. What a transporter does is kind of like running white light through one prism to diffract it into a spectrum, then in the reverse direction through another prism to refocus it back into white light. Matter is broken up into energy, then directed to a focal point where it is reconstituted into matter. Because of this, what you are suggesting makes a lot of sense. Not that the toilets are replicators; in fact if anything they would be either some type of transporter, or possibly even more simply a matter reconstitution device that would simply change it into energy. That energy could then be changed into generic matter, whether some form of inert molecular structure, or perhaps atomic or even subatomic building blocks. (I might suggest that it could even be stored as energy itself, but what more efficient storage container is there for energy, than Matter itself?) After all, according to our still-standing standard model of the universe, energy can neither be created or destroyed, only converted or transferred. Just don't get locked into thinking matter is just matter. Whether you're talking transporters or replicators, it's all about Energy.
Basically, a transporter would be like a device that could cause a nuclear explosion, but then rebuild the atom. And a replicator would be half of that, a device that gathers energy and builds atoms. And molecules. And even organic compounds. Without all that endothermic by-product. Possibly some kind of feedback loop, redirecting all of that heat energy back into the energy stream? Kind of like regenerative braking on hybrid busses.
Naaaaaa. . . . . Your talking poop dude. All the stuff that was replicated came from the same place that was used to power everything in the ship. Energy is converted to matter and the matter is organized into what ever it is that you want. The transporter converts a person into energy and that energy is beamed and then reassembled wherever it is that one would like to go. TGC Blessings in abundance:)
Crewman, you have a marvelous way with words. I actually FELL OUT OF A CHAIR screaming with laughter at the referencing of 'feline blasting powder.' Bravo! Amazing video by the way. I should point out that I am currently employed as a visual effects technician/designer for a certain well-known company and am a lifelong Trek fan (all trek - if it's trekking, I'm watching it) and have had stuff and materials that I created appearing in a number of mentionable sci-fi franchises, including Star Trek: Enterprise, Discovery and recently Picard. I'm not going to be handing out my actual name any time soon because we all know what a cesspool the Internet really is, and I really have not got the time to answer mail from fanboys. Love your work.
WOW!!!! Super cool and extremely impressive!!! YES, please do this for each series!!!! I know this took quite a bit of research, very enjoyable and wish they would have included much of this, especially the dolphins!!!!!! Best to you!! BIG LIKE!!
You're forgetting it was made for families, and each persons quarters was like a two bedroom apartment. Family quarters, basically a single story house. The school, barber shop, holodecks, storage, fuel storage, and life support machinery. Lots of used space.
LOL I legit was about to comment about the "Have you had a chance to see the dolphins?" scene because I just saw that episode a few days ago and it stuck out in my mind. I was like "Dolphins? There's dolphins on the Enterprise?!"
I noticed this too! I think there was also a door that was labelled Cetacean ops seen in the show, but it wasn't shown what was through it (probably an unrelated set the like the transporter room or something) If you want to actually see a great show that does more then just reference fun easter eggs like this, try watching Lower Decks! I have gasped, pointed, and shouted something at the screen multiple times when I Recognize something obscure and my boyfriend just stares at me lol.
I read Star Trek book that a dolphin from anther planet was serving on Enterprise . In think it wad next-generation. There wourld was a federation member. The dolpin used an antigravity devise to "swim" around the ship and mechanical arms too.
I literally knew all of this... also, while Patrick Stewart said he would call it the Calypso, the official name of the Ent-D Captain's Yacht is the same as the Ent-E. the Cousteau. one more thing, some of this is from Technical Manuals published for the series. the tech manuals are non-canon.
It was the "top" entry, on cetacean ops, that most grabbed me! The ridiculously spacious ship, equipping, having cetacean quarters/work area [with escape pods!], etc bespeaks the insanely incredible levels of design, production, and power generation that would be necessary! I'm not a pooper but I question if we can humanly achieve such a demand level. Not even counting the level of computation/bio-scan/data-encoding/matter-energy transition, transmission, and re-conversation... However, the value of fiction, and science fiction, lies in how the fic-tech window dressing is utilized to explore our characters and our own humanity.
I like to believe that the “Runabout” in Season 6 Episode 25 was the Captain’s Yacht. It just seemed too big with the dining room table and separate navigation room. The whole time it was being shown internally I was excited to see the Yacht finally and was disappointed when it was shown as a Runabout externally.
In Star Trek TNG novel Dark Mirror there was a Dolphin Cmdr by the name of Hwii. A navigational specialist and warp theorist. The events of Dark Mirror take place in Season 4 of TNG just after the Borg incident.
According to the Enterprise-D dedication plaque on the bridge, the engines were made by Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems. That is the front company used by the evil Red Lectroids from the cult movie Buckaroo Banzai.
Would love to see a breakdown of the ships interior dimensions, I'd imagine that the reactor and fuel would have a lot of shielding and air gaps around them, plus the torpedo bays, cargo bays, clearly there's shuttle storage outside the hangar seeing how readily they loose shuttles and carry on regardless. I don't think these calculations take shielding around engineering, thickness of the hull, conduits in walls, and such into account.
What's so criminal about Cetacean Ops is that it was sooo ignored by TNG & would have been a great tie in to the movies in TOS. I mean SeaQuest DSV did this right...I'm I right? Also why did they drop the idea of 3 dimensional/axis travel? I do remember a episode of TNG that had the ship running into something but the couldn't see it on screen. I believe that the Cetacean Ops would have said something was their rather then sending the probe "up and over" the object in question. Ohh all the missed opportunities for even more wonderful general knowledge stuff that we missed in Trek 🤧. Also how cool would it have been to have Cetacean Ops on all shows set after TOS? What does Q think of Cetacean Ops? Does Guinan know/familiar with this part of the enterprise?
Also seeing the size of Cetacean Ops in Voyager would have been awesome. What if they could have told Voyager to "drop under or fly up" above the rotational level of the galaxy then fly counter wise to the speed of the galaxy's orbit/rotation to get home faster? Is that how Q got around the galaxy so quickly?
was often claimed in the show that Voyager didn't carry enough fuel or provisions for such a long trip, it was necessary for them to resupply in star systems, nebulae, and civilized worlds now and then. Plus, they are explorers presented with an unequaled opportunity for exploration. And stubborn Captain Janeway never loses an argument or changes an order once she's given her decision, anyone who doesn't agree with her decision to do 70000LY of sight-seeing can make the voyage in the brig or get off her ship.
@@pwnmeisterage you would be right, if 70,000 light years is in any axis going in the direction back to earth then yeah...I can still see it taking that long. But to see a Cetacean Ops on Voyager would have been awesome to see
I love that in ST: Lower Decks we finally got to see Cetacean Ops. It is probably a lot smaller than the Enterprise-D but was at least a taste of what could have been.
captain Picard, Geordi LaForge, and counselor Troi took the captain's yacht: The Runabout out in one episode where they encountered temporal distortions
From everything I’ve read and heard, the Captain’s Yacht was something different and never shown on screen during the TNG series. I think they even had sketches of what it would look like and it was different than the standard TNG shuttles or DS9 runabouts (but maybe I’m conflating the image of it with the one from the Enterprise E)
#1: That was actually a result of the events of Star Trek 4. The whales that they rescued learned to speak with with the dolphins in the 'time' that they were brought to, while trying to figure out what was going on. They decided to try to learn how to communicate with humans, which actually was successful, eventually. It was a result of that that convinced Star Fleet to recognize cetaceans as a people. From then on, many cetaceans began to work together with humans, with some even enlisting in Star Fleet. On a side note, I wish that these had been referenced in the episode "The Measure of a Man." This is because, in that episode, Data's rights as a member of Star Fleet are called into question because he is not human.
Correction: Data's rights in Star Fleet were brought into question because he was mechanical in nature, not biological. It had nothing to do with humanity.
I think that the Dolphin crew members was remembered by NBC executives, or some of the same behind the scenes crew, when they made the television program, "Seaquest DSV", starring Roy Scheider. On that show, based on a super submarine, not a spaceship, they did have integrated dolphin crew members and glass tubes throughout the ship for the dolphins to travel through.
Okay, this is one of the best Star Trek UA-cam videos I have ever seen. I loved it! I had no idea that the main shuttle bay on the ship was supposedly so massive.
Regarding the amount of space taken up by People on the enterprise, few problems. 1: I think you underestimate how much ship subsystems occupy. Seriously. You're talking about absolute YONKS of of conduits, cables, data lines, corridor walls, cargo bays, an entire shuttle bay deck that was fleshed out a bit more in a promotional game, and the fact that the warp core, the deflector, and basically every single other component of the ship was, you know... huge. 2: Regarding an aircraft carrier's size, we know that on the Enterprise, at LEAST senior staff all have decent sized rooms, if not basically everyone else onboard. We do know that Excelsior class vessels have barracks-style bunking for junior officers, but I don't think we ever really pieced that together for the Galaxy class, so I have no reason to believe they wouldn't have their own crew quarters, especially given the size. By comparison, in an aircraft carrier, sleeping is done in basically alcoves in a hallway, three to a stack, and hot bunked. Which means that your bunk isn't YOUR bunk. When you're getting up for a shift, someone else is getting into that bunk. And again. That's three to a stack, three stacks to an alcove. Just the addition of a room and bathroom for each member of the crew takes up a good amount of space. 3: The halls. Seriously, the halls. Again, we'll look at the aircraft carrier comparison. If you're on an aircraft carrier, there's a flow of traffic that you're basically beholden to, and you're gonna get shit for not sticking to it, especially during a GQ call(For reference, General Quarters is basically Red Alert, all hands to stations. Which means you're moving your ass HARD. In a hallway that's more narrow than your closet doorway). By comparison, a Galaxy class vessel's corridors were wide enough on the main decks to accommodate several crewmen shoulder to shoulder. We see where this sort of design idea doesn't QUITE work as well on the Intrepid class, where the much lower decks have very, very narrow walkways, but even there, the space would be a dream for most naval officers. Hell, even just the entry to Engineering and the warp core on the Galaxy Class was enormous enough to accomodate Laforge's combat-roll every time there was a coolant leak.
In the 1993 novel written by Diane Duane called Dark Mirror where they explored the mirror universe and a mirror Enterprise D one of the characters was a sentient dolphin scientist. He had some kind of bubble with anti grav hooked to it and a universal translator, he also helped navigate the ship back to it's own universe. This may have been mentioned before, I'm not going to go through five hundred comments to find out. Cool book and a good Star Trek story.
I'd actually tend to think they would, if they were still there: these'd be dolphins with escape pods (I'd tend to guess those'd be where to go when the bridge calls 'Brace for impact: ' ...smaller tanks, less slosh.) and force fields and intertial dampers that'd probably be damn beefy cause they..... live in water and breathe air? With Star Trek tech ...that they could operate, ....they'd probably be good till the rescue ships came. Since 'casualties were light,' I also assume the crew in general got off with maybe some injuries of varying degrees of severity, from the crash anyway.
@@OllamhDrab I found the blueprints online which show four escape vessels accessible to the tanks. But the Cetacean lab is part of the saucer section which means they would have had a rough ride in the saucer down to the planet.
@@brett8481 There's upsides and downsides to being surrounded by water in a circumstance like that. But in general, if you were in a swimming pool crashing, you'd get hurt a lot worse if it was empty than if it was full. (And we may safely infer that in general the ship's complement didn't smack into walls at high speed anyway: kittycat seemed fine.) Also remember, they breathe air, so even if the water went away after impact, all they'd likely get from that is dry skin and maybe a backache.
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Trek Culture - YOUR Figures are way off, it does NOT take into Account that the ENT-D is NOT a Warship, that it Actually took the CREW's Family into Space, and the ENT-D had a Large NURSERY and Childcare, it had SCHOOLS up to JR College level, it had a LARGE Medbays to deal with CREW and Civilian Injuries.
it had a Large Security section , providing TOTAL Security for CREW, Passangers and NON - Starfleet.
and ENT-D had Large off DUTY areas for Passangers, CREW and NON- Starfleet to Mingle.
Ent -D even had a Holotheater, Swimming pool, Gymnasium and other TRAINING Areas in Addition to Holodecks
so, your Figures are BUNK.
YOU Missed that the Origional ENT-D has a MEDUSAN Navigator Station and a MEDUSAN Habitat.
this was so the CREW would not go MAD when Encountering the Medusan Navigator.
A more accurate answer to your initial question (joke) is Majel Barrett. She was the voice of the enterprise and I believe all starships in every series except "Enterprise" where there was no computer voice.
I came here to say exactly this
In his defence he did say character and not actor/actress
@@adamcroft80 fair point
@@adamcroft80 Sure, but I'd consider a voice actor more of a character than a spaceship, especially when the ship in question is NOT the same ship in each version of Star Trek.
Derek Allyn true.
The cetacean crew might seem like just a pointless gimmick, but they actually served a very important porpoise.
I sea what you did there
@@inquirohaqq1472 whale I'll be. You did sea what he did.
Ouuuchhh..
Your puns give me the urchin to vomit.
The idea of dolphins on starships seems a little fishy to me.
Majel Barrett-Roddenberry actually was acting in every single Episode as the computer's voice, both TOS and TNG (and later series). That alone had a profound impact on the feeling of the show itself. May she rest in peace ♥️
She was not on the first few episodes of TNG. It was a male voice.
@@videodistroDang I didn't pay attention there 😮 but captain Picard took care of how the enterprise computer should work 😅. He also had that continuous red alert blaring silenced. In the rest of the series on red alert there was only a few blares and then only the visual indication. Way better😎
She started voicing the computer both on TOS and TNG a few episodes into the production of the show. As an actress though, she was in 4 of the 5 shows from before the turn of the millennium. TOS as Number One and Nurse Chapel. TAS as some character. And TNG and DS9 as the ever lovely Lwaxana Troi, daughter of the fifth house, holder of the sacred chalice of Rixx, heir to the holy rings of Betazed
One interesting fact about the Enterprise D is that it was large enough to hold 18,000 people in crowded conditions. And while Probert originally conceptualized the Enterprise D, it was an aerospace engineer that designed the ship Deck by Deck. His name was Ed Whitefire. You Can still find his designs on the Internet.
"It was designed for Kirk"
video editing: It was full of cat Sh*t
yeah that's about the same thing
I know right? Except my mind had Orion Slv-girls with cat ears O.o
Intentional mistake was intentional.
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Tldr;
10) It's full of cat sh*t
9) It's full of cat sh*t
8) It's full of cat sh*t
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1) It's full of cat sh*t
When the dolphins reach there home world: "So long and thanks for all the fish!"
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@@660reliant I think they left their towles behind
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Where was the petunia in all this?
@@colinp2238 i don't know it may have been crushed by teh sperm whale
Don't forget the restrooms on the bridge. They were behind Worf; on the opposite side of the main turbolift onto the bridge and next to the door for the conference room. So every time you see a background character walking around that little bend, they're going to pee.
Majel Barrett was the voice of the computer in TOS and TNG as well as several characters, so she is technically in every episode of TOS and TNG
Nope. She wasn't on the first number of episodes of TNG. It was a male voice.
the cetacean ops was probably in response to the whale probe incident, that way if they encounter the probe again they can communicate easier.
Morgan McCrindle really tho
Morgan - the Enterprise - D ORIGIONALY had a MEDUSAN Navigator and Habitat , to keep the CREW Sepreated from the MEDUSAN.
Morgan McCrindle yea there's only so many times they can slingshot around the sun .... they figured we better prepare for the next visit from our whale gods
Well, why forbit the second most intelligent species (after the mice) to forbit to go to space travel would really be outrageous of us, the third most intelligent species on earth ;)
If cetacean intelligence evolved once, it will evolve somewhere else again.
Having dolphins on crew makes diplomatic sense.
The Enterprise is as much a character in the series than anyone else. She's a beautiful lady and we love her.
10:25: Was this another deliberate mistake designed to generate comments. Or was it a sly comment from the editor. Either way look forward to the next one where we discover the location of the Poop Deck
I did think when I saw the caption, "That's a bit of a harsh judgment on Kirk..."
I was not the only one who noticed it?
@@gngrdanny Legit mistake. I hit undo too many times on what I was working on and it affected this title. - Editor.
Kirk was actually the one who put the cat shit all over the set between seasons.
TrekCulture all gold. Shit happens. Thanks for the amazing channel!
Cetacean Ops would have been way cool, especially after the introduction in Enterprise of the Xindi Aquatic species.
My thoughts exactly! I imagine the cetacean crew could learn to communicate with the Xindi Aquatics very quickly. Imagine them exchanging gossip about their respective primate species! 😉 Oh, and it's a good thing Livingston was a poisonous lionfish, otherwise Jellico might have fed him to the dolphins! 😁
As part of a group nerdy kids in the 80s, we caught on to the cetaceans mention and we went wild! We came out with fanfic about an extra-galactic exploration ship that had Cetacean crew and 1 officer, the chief navigator was a dusky dolphin! Yep. The ship was whale shaped somewhat. We went for encounter suits/force fields that would allow the dolphins to roam about, floating in the air and interact with humanoid crew without needing to be in their own section of the ship. I mean why not! The interior of the ship's "saucer" was also hollow and huge.
I'd read that fanfic!
Engineers of our time: Space is valuable on board of a ship; let’s use it as efficient as we can.
Engineers of the Federation: Let’s build the Galaxy Class.
Well the enterprise D was the flag ship and a prestiege projeckt. It was meant to show all the technological might of the federation and not be your average miranda class.
It is like those massive skyscrapers that are menat to be vertical cities with halve the space empty 5 years later because of the redicouless rent costs.
Also a function of the galaxy class was to resettle entire colonys. So you needed the space the that amount of people + their stuff.
I own and love those blueprints of this massive imaginative starship.
I always thought the Enterprise came with "Whale Tanks" just in case they happened to meet the Whale Probe seen in Star Trek IV.
The central stairway also seen in this thumbnail (just above the wave in the middle) is a sensible addition to the turbolift system - and was of course never shown or hinted at in any episode were the turbolifts failed.
I always wondered what you did when a fire broke out on a starship. Turbolifts are basically really sophisticated elevators. Where are the stairs on most of the ships? Or is it just kind of your stuck in the tin can with a fire, stairs wouldn't matter?
While they never really showed the central stairs, TNG *did* show several ways of moving around the ship, like various hatchways, tubes, and laddereways ..
@@benullom2301 I agree that they should have had stairs. But it's totally possible that they had stairs, but we never see them. It would make sense in the Defiant to have stairs due to its height and the amount of decks.
But, they also had Jeffrey tubes, named after Matt Jeffreries, who designed the original Enterprise.
Right we did see all sorts of access throughout the ship, even if we never saw an actual stairwell, and then I thought of this logically. If a fire broke out on a starship it would be as simple as evacuating the area, sealing it I'm from the rest of the ship, and terminating the life support in the effected area, no oxygen no fire.
@@benullom2301 During a fire a force field suppression system would constrict the fire and let it burn up all it's own oxygen within the field so it self-extinguished, basically a choking method. But with the Jeffries tubes, you could still get around from deck to deck, it would just be very inconvenient.
I’m guessing the water ops also probably had the Xindi aquatics there. They are part of the Federation at this point time , so it would make sense.
That might be the first time I've actually smiled due to an _Enterprise_ retcon and/or continuity error. 🤓 EDIT: By which I mean to say that it's neat how due to Cetacean Ops not being shown on TNG, the insertion of the Xindi war into 22nd Century history, is *not* a continuity error, for once.
13:02 Actually, they did implement it in star Trek Enterprise. The Xindi race the aquatics. Though not used in the same manner. It was basically setting dolphins or whales into a comunity with humanoids.
And we got to know that there are Xindis on Enterprise-J. So there is a chance that this includes aquatic Xindis cooperating with dolphins, too.
@@SusScrofaBob Snap! I was thinking of something similar. Would have been fun to see!
Yup called the Aquatics.
Remember the probe in Star Trek The Voyage Home was built to comminicate with dolphins and or a space dolphin race
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We all know how well having dolphins as cast members went in Seaquest DSV.
Right, it went great! I fucking loved that dolphin!
@@LordGalenYT Loved the dolphin but the Frank Welker voice didn't work for me.
Sorry for the grammar errors, Google is getting worse.
Hey, Darwin was cool !
Although Ivan Tors & cast sure made it work in producing "Flipper." (I wonder what changed: the dolphins or the production methods? What happened, right?)
does anyone remember SeaQuest, another Roddenberry show that had a dolphin as a major crew member
I'm not aware that Gene Roddenberry had anything to do with SeaQuest. Do you have any information that supports that he did?
I would've guessed Majel Barrets voice as the computer for the reoccuring character in every episode of both tng and tos.
Not only that, but she was the original first officer in the pilot episode of TOS.
@@tommytwotacos8106 She was 1st officer on Pike's crew, but Pike was not the first captain of the NCC-1701. That was Robert April, who had his own first officer (NOT Number One.)
Scott Kester Bring it down a notch, they are talking about film production, not Star Trek cannon.
Diana Mulder also
I paused the video when he asked that question and wracked my brain. Majel Barret was the only possibility I could come up with. Was disappointed to find it was a silly joke. :)
The part about the dolphins and whales makes sense after the events of Star Trek IV...of course Starfleet had an interest in the whale's well being after they were reintroduced. And it makes total sense that some Starfleet scientist decided that they were going to figure out how to communicate with them, because Starfleet.
"Because Starfleet"?
How about because *not* being able to communicate with cetaceans almost destroyed the Earth? ;)
@@ElectroDFW right...and you know..starfleet.
My brother went to college with EC Henry, so thanks for shouting him out! I've met him in person a few times.
Almost this, from the novel Dark Mirror:
Hwiii ih'iie-uUlak!ha'
Addressed as "Hwiii" for short. A Delphine commander, native of Triton Two, essentially a sapient dolphin. A member of the Starfleet navigation research team, Hwiii is a graduate of Harvard and La Sorbonne, and an expert in hyperstrings. Hwiii had been on sabbatical researching so-called "clean" hyperstrings near the galactic rim when the Enterprise arrived for its patrol. After the initial "switch", Hwiii immediately recognized that a dimensional transfer had taken place, causing him significant distress. Hwiii worked with Geordi La Forge and the Enterprise engineering staff to construct a replica of the ISS Enterprise switchback device, in order to return to the primary universe. He also derived the plan to send the Imperial vessel back to its home universe and prevent a further incursion/capture.
Hwiii navigates through the ship in a force field containing water to allow him to breathe outside of his specially-designed flooded guest quarters, and an antigravity unit that allows him to "swim" through the air, as well as a machine translator to make it easier to communicate with the crew.
"Admiral, there be WHALES!"
Oh yes! More please!
"Humpbacked people?" - Scotty
I miss Scotty was a sad day when James Doohan died.
"Wait a minute, wait a minute, Admiral...
Are you telling me, you made a Time Machine....
out of a Bird of Prey?" XD
When you learn to communicate with dolphins, the first thing you find out is that they only ever want to talk about mackerel.
Also they are very profane...
The Enterprise D had a lot more than just crew. It has families unrelated to the crew.
Jeah but even with crew and families the enterprise is gigantic and leer!
The one that measure the population and the space has the families with in is calculation
@@-Gothicgirl- Sure, but there were definitely more than crew in the lounge areas. No doubt, some of the lounges and recreation areas were reserved for crew only, but not all.
Civilian contractors for sure, like the bolian who was the barber. Also remember how big their quarters were. In TOS crewmen bunked multiples to a room. In TNG everybody got basically a one bedroom apt,unless u had family, then u got bigger digs,
Yeah we know
@@CooknBimbo they have quarters much much larger than most one bedroom apartments I've lived in
"Number One, can you smell a number two?"
No Formal Training good one...more like 2 number twos though
Damn it Spot.
Cat #1 smells worse than cat #2.
I wonder if the positive resolution to the Human-Xindi conflict in early Starfleet history and the Xindi Aquatics had anything to do with the development of Cetacean Ops.
"Paging Dr. Bubbles! Paging Dr. Bubbles! ...Dr. Bubbles of Flipperania V, Please report to the lido deck..."
People on the ship don't really make much fun of Doctor Bubbles.
Because of his security officer, Lieutenant Worca.
Mr La Forca, the warp core is gonna explode! Please help!
This was the BEST! Please do this for every Star Trek series.
I really wish we could have seen Cetacean Ops. After Star Trek 4 it just makes sense.
You know, whether it's intentional or not, I could see this development happening after The Voyage Home;
While the mysterious probe has never been officially explained, perhaps Starfleet learned from the experience and developed Cetacean Ops as a consequence...
Which may have also been instrumental in increased navigational and warp speed capabilities in those short generations.
Funny how some ideas may seem to not be related, but when put on a story board, the transition seems... fluid.
So basically the original concept of a teleporter base was Star Trek: SG1? lol
Further irony, Stargate eventually got starships, transporters, shuttle craft and space battles, so good on ST:TNG for staying ahead of the curve.
@@CarbonTech19 actually, lot of episodes of SG1 and Star trek were the same.
@@Persian-Immortal I was, and am, a big fan of both franchises, and have seen episodes of each multiple times. Though I noted no direct steals, I have no doubt that there were many cases of the writers being influenced by previous episodes or by other content, such as short stories or books, either Sci-Fi or classical, such as Shakespeare, that have served as common inspiration for both franchise's writers. It's par for the course.
@@Persian-Immortal - Especially in that one episode in Voyager where crew members were abducted and implanted with false memories and sent to work in some kind of industrial plant ... vs the the SG-1 episode where the team members were abducted and implanted with false memories... yes... same plot.
Actually Roddenberry had envisioned the Enterprise landing on a planet. But due to budget constraints he had to create a convincing plot device that could allow them to land on the planet. Hence the "transporter". Now the real world reference. Stargate's gates work on a principal of deconstructing the item, sending it through hyperspace, and reintegrating it at the destination. Star Trek is different as it uses a transitional state of energy to "shift" an object or person to a location as opposed to breaking them down and putting them back together. That's the closest to teleportation as it does not rely on breaking up atoms, simply shifting them to a higher energy state and relocating them.
Haha #2 also says full of cat *** lol
Santino & Angelica Pino that was a great video! Adam great job leading the charge here! ABSOLUTE GREAT CONTENT! Do DS9 next please!
Saw that, and was checking to see if anyone else commented on that!! LOL
@@arekpetrosian4965 same
@thunderbird002 One of his many fetishes, I'm sure.
Spots Revenge!!! Ill teach you to change my breed and sex everytime i appeared
Alrigjht mates!! Catshit torpedoes away!!!
About the space for the crew, the Enterprise used to have families on board...
Actually, the original Enterprise was supposed to, and references were made to children aboard, but this apparently got dropped.
I thought Enterprise D did. Worf's Son went to school with other kids. That boy that wanted to be like Data did too. And Clara, the one with the scary imaginary friend came on with her father.
Some 1000 to 1100+ people on board, only "a few hundred crew" actually required to operate all ship systems, maybe a few hundred more specialists and scientists and such for multi-role exploration missions, all the rest families and children and teachers and pediatricians and civilians and visitors.
But the generally didn't emphasize the idea much past first season because it would seem too stupid to order a ship full of children to charge a Borg cube or dive into a space anomaly, most of the writers didn't want a -military- exploration ship to be constrained by families and domestic issues.
Yup. I seem to recall an entire episode about separating the saucer section to protect the "noncombatants" (to use a term they wouldn't have), which was essentially family housing, support staff, schooling, medical, recreation, etc, from the main ship. So, the crew and actual ship functions would all have been in just the lower section.
@john jones I dunno. Crusher and Worf were single parents. So were Data and Troi, briefly. DS9 and VOY had single parents onboard as well.
Well, now Cetacean Ops been shown thanks to Lower Decks!
Cetacean Ops! Looking forward to this one and loving the channel 🖖🖖
Good to hear that Jamie!
The aircraft carrier you showed for comparison is USS Nimitz (CVN 68), on which I was stationed from 2006-2011, and from this experience I can vouch that real military ships are INCREDIBLY crowded. There is a lot of machinery, ammunition, fuel, etc. that takes up most of the space, so living and working spaces are packed in as tightly as possible to fit around them.
Would love to see a DS9 version of this list, I'd imagine half of them could be quark based.
Yes, how do they get those dolphins in the outfits? ...and what about the poor luckless dolphin that get stuck wearing the red shirt?
The novel Dark Mirror features a dolphin researcher and describes his environmental suit.
@@nimblehealer199 I remember that lol. He also said he wanted to get out of the mirror universe because all his friends probably were eaten. He was also the first one to figure out they were not in their home universe.
Good shirts were almost twice as likely to die... there were just way more red shirts on the ship. Literally almost 5 times as many. So of course they’d be more likely to be shown dying.
I would think that all cetaceans are blue shirts
That was his porpoise
CBS did one of their most massive blunders ever in shutting down Stage 9. Had they instead endorsed the fan project it would have been a much needed boost to classic Trek!
I knew all of this. Now tell us about the TOS Enterprise and her bowling alley.
It was in the secondary hull below the hangar bay. Six lanes, iirc.
The Enterprise had a mall? Dude! I want to go shopping there!!
They showed a brief glimpse of what the mall could have been in one episode they had Worf trying to buy a wedding gift with Data.
@@y0uCantHandle Imagine you could anything you want, but you don't know exactly what you want.
Supposedly in Star Wars, the Death Star had a massive mall and even an amusement park. Star Trek beat them there with the holodeck.
Mommy, buy me a tribble...
@@benullom2301 Don't forget about our giant liquidation sale! Buy 9 tribbles, get the 10th one for just one penny!
#2. I always imagined that the crew were as in "listed personal". So the amount of non listed crew could be double or triple.
Like Bartenders, entertainers, cooks, family, schools, kids, refugees, colonists, travellers, and diplomatic staff.
Take into consideration a modern OASIS class cruise ship. They have a capacity of 2200 personnel or "staff". But the capacity of the ship with all the visitors and cruisegoers was actually 6780, with a total capacity of aprox 8,900 people.
I like to think that, during the nightshift, little hatches pop open on the walls and an army of roomba's get to work getting rid of Spot's hidden turds before the captain wakes up.
Dolphins would have such limited access. Why not have a starship designed to be completely staffed by dolphins? The USS Flipper.
Thats because Dolphins would only be able to do land missions on water planets. And well, I would say, the technology for dolphins to run ships came from the Xindi. I mean, they had a complete aquatic species with their own ships.
And then encounter fluidic space
Now you are getting into DSV sea quest territory, with dolphin tubes running around the ship.
Then perhaps the dolphins should have special devices that allow them to move around and access the parts of ships that don't have water to swim in.
@@girlgarde It might be hard on creatures evolved to live in a buoyant state, having their bodies fully bearing down on whatever support structure encased them. Then again, some technomagic antigrav voodoo would probably solve that.
Still, I'm glad they didn't follow through with that, because the CGI to render them in a believable manner just wasn't there. It would have been hokey.
Since Enterprise we all know those Tanks are for Xindi Aquarians serving Starfleet ;-)
"Lt. Flipper, report to the Bridge!"
"AckAckAckAckAckAck?"
"Ummm, belay that, we'll come to you."
"AckAck, Sir!"
Do you *eat* with that mouth?
The origins of Cetacean Ops might have been with *seaQuest DSV* and Darwin. That the ship had aquatic passageways to allow Darwin roam around was brilliant!
I own the technical manual for the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-D and if you look at the cutaway schematic that is on the back wall of main engineering, you can find unusual items spread about the ship. A Porsche 911, a mouse and other odd stuff. It's something that the show's producers put in for the fans. It's the same with the nameplates on doors as some will have famous quotes or taglines from other movies and shows. One is "In space, no one can hear you scream...", the tagline from Alien. There are many more.
This is true but most of the Enterprise was also put aside for evacuating of colonists and saving other ships you got to put their people who are evacuated somewhere not to mention dignitaries and peace envoys
I think the computer cores were alleged to be surrounded in a small subspace distortion field / warp field in order to enable Faster Than Light processing. So crew members probably couldn't directly interact with them anyway, unless one of them was shut down (there were 2 in Saucer, 1 in stardrive).
Static lightspeed field? In Star Wars, they did something similar where it was used by the First Order Mega Destroyer to track the Resistance through lightspeed.
At least one TNG novel mentioned "Cetacean Ops" and a dolphin crew member or two IIRC.
I think I remember that they addressed the amount of space within the various technical guides and encyclopedias. Didn't they say that this was a multiplatform, multipurpose ship with the capacity to run simultaneous missions. Empty spaces were set up to house huge numbers of additional crew or passengers (but strangely not the Irish. Much like a 1970s UK B&B the Irish stereotypes were not allowed to sleep in the bedrooms. Despite having a reincarnated Maureen O'Hara they had to stay in a cargo bay), shifting equipment and so on. I'm sure I read that it was modular and could slot out whole sections for specific mission profiles. It does make sense. They have the space to pick up the crew and key equipment from multiple other vessels, to take what is needed to resolve planetary scale problems. Kirk was Captain Cook, off exploring the unknown with the authority and power of his backers going with him. Picard wasn't just exploring, he was Star Fleet. Other ships still did what Kirk did but when a Galaxy Class vessel arrived it was supposed to be like a Federation outpost or Space Station had been set up in the local area.
Very true, and I believe you are correct about the modular design. A large portion of ship interior was devoted to science labs and such. But there were great swaths left open for colony transfers, diplomatic missions, rescues and the like. Also it was built during a time of relative peace for the Fed so it was made with exploration in mind, not war.
Good video, but you left out my favorite part of the Enterprise-D that’s in the tech manual. How did they feed and clothe everyone on board? The food replicators were an off-chute of the transporter system. They could recreate any meal from a recipe in the computer system, but it wasn’t created from thin air. It’s still matter, so where did this matter come from? In the largest cargo hold of the Enterprise was a giant block of “generic matter.” When someone ordered a meal from the replicator, it took a small amount of this generic matter and recreated the cheeseburger or cup of earl grey tea. It was then transported to the customer. But, how was this block of generic matter resupplied? From the sewer system! All the toilets on board the Enterprise were also replicators. It would take your waste matter, change it back to the generic matter and transport it to the cargo hold. No laundry facilities, either. Old uniforms were transformed into generic matter after use and new uniforms created from the same giant block. In this case, all matter is just matter.
I'm guessing they wouldn't need to haul a big load of generic matter everywhere they go. Space is full of matter, even gas particles that the bussard collectors pull in just by flying around. Also, to prevent hoarding situations, crewmen may need to discard stuff in order to get new stuff.
I don't know how I would react to this fact. I guess it doesn't matter.
I think that you're forgetting that all matter is just organized energy. The most simple demonstration of which is the unpacking of that energy through either atomic fusion or atomic fission, especially in the event of an atomic bomb. Very little matter, huge energy release.
What a transporter does is kind of like running white light through one prism to diffract it into a spectrum, then in the reverse direction through another prism to refocus it back into white light. Matter is broken up into energy, then directed to a focal point where it is reconstituted into matter.
Because of this, what you are suggesting makes a lot of sense. Not that the toilets are replicators; in fact if anything they would be either some type of transporter, or possibly even more simply a matter reconstitution device that would simply change it into energy. That energy could then be changed into generic matter, whether some form of inert molecular structure, or perhaps atomic or even subatomic building blocks.
(I might suggest that it could even be stored as energy itself, but what more efficient storage container is there for energy, than Matter itself?)
After all, according to our still-standing standard model of the universe, energy can neither be created or destroyed, only converted or transferred.
Just don't get locked into thinking matter is just matter. Whether you're talking transporters or replicators, it's all about Energy.
Basically, a transporter would be like a device that could cause a nuclear explosion, but then rebuild the atom.
And a replicator would be half of that, a device that gathers energy and builds atoms. And molecules. And even organic compounds. Without all that endothermic by-product. Possibly some kind of feedback loop, redirecting all of that heat energy back into the energy stream? Kind of like regenerative braking on hybrid busses.
Naaaaaa. . . . . Your talking poop dude. All the stuff that was replicated came from the same place that was used to power everything in the ship.
Energy is converted to matter and the matter is organized into what ever it is that you want.
The transporter converts a person into energy and that energy is beamed and then reassembled wherever it is that one would like to go.
TGC
Blessings in abundance:)
Crewman, you have a marvelous way with words. I actually FELL OUT OF A CHAIR screaming with laughter at the referencing of 'feline blasting powder.' Bravo! Amazing video by the way. I should point out that I am currently employed as a visual effects technician/designer for a certain well-known company and am a lifelong Trek fan (all trek - if it's trekking, I'm watching it) and have had stuff and materials that I created appearing in a number of mentionable sci-fi franchises, including Star Trek: Enterprise, Discovery and recently Picard. I'm not going to be handing out my actual name any time soon because we all know what a cesspool the Internet really is, and I really have not got the time to answer mail from fanboys.
Love your work.
"Ug-lee bags of mostly water, get with the monetary restraints already, we want a backyard pool!"
WOW!!!! Super cool and extremely impressive!!! YES, please do this for each series!!!! I know this took quite a bit of research, very enjoyable and wish they would have included much of this, especially the dolphins!!!!!! Best to you!! BIG LIKE!!
DEFINITELY, do this for all the Trek shows, esp. DS9's Terok Nor!
You're forgetting it was made for families, and each persons quarters was like a two bedroom apartment. Family quarters, basically a single story house. The school, barber shop, holodecks, storage, fuel storage, and life support machinery. Lots of used space.
Fact One! mind blown! AMAZING! Cetaten OPS!
LOL I legit was about to comment about the "Have you had a chance to see the dolphins?" scene because I just saw that episode a few days ago and it stuck out in my mind. I was like "Dolphins? There's dolphins on the Enterprise?!"
I noticed this too! I think there was also a door that was labelled Cetacean ops seen in the show, but it wasn't shown what was through it (probably an unrelated set the like the transporter room or something) If you want to actually see a great show that does more then just reference fun easter eggs like this, try watching Lower Decks! I have gasped, pointed, and shouted something at the screen multiple times when I Recognize something obscure and my boyfriend just stares at me lol.
I read Star Trek book that a dolphin from anther planet was serving on Enterprise . In think it wad next-generation. There wourld was a federation member. The dolpin used an antigravity devise to "swim" around the ship and mechanical arms too.
I read the same book I think it was the one were the entire ship got pulled into the alternate reality
Michael Knupp Can you tell me the title? I’d love to read it.
Sorry I don't have it any more and can't remember the title
I remembered it it was called Dark Mirror it had both Picard's on the cover looking at each other
@@michaelknupp7425 gotcha, thanks a bunch. I've found it on Amazon and will give it a read sometime when able. :)
YES, I want to see an episode for all of these, please and thank you!
I literally knew all of this... also, while Patrick Stewart said he would call it the Calypso, the official name of the Ent-D Captain's Yacht is the same as the Ent-E. the Cousteau. one more thing, some of this is from Technical Manuals published for the series. the tech manuals are non-canon.
Calypso was Cousteau's boat. Makes sense.
It was the "top" entry, on cetacean ops, that most grabbed me! The ridiculously spacious ship, equipping, having cetacean quarters/work area [with escape pods!], etc bespeaks the insanely incredible levels of design, production, and power generation that would be necessary! I'm not a pooper but I question if we can humanly achieve such a demand level. Not even counting the level of computation/bio-scan/data-encoding/matter-energy transition, transmission, and re-conversation... However, the value of fiction, and science fiction, lies in how the fic-tech window dressing is utilized to explore our characters and our own humanity.
Ah, yes, Lieutenant Snorkles, the uplifted dolphin creature. Shame the character never took off.
As much as I love Star Trek, I really want to imagine the cat that pooped in the Captain's chair was regarded as royalty among the other ferals.
I like to believe that the “Runabout” in Season 6 Episode 25 was the Captain’s Yacht. It just seemed too big with the dining room table and separate navigation room. The whole time it was being shown internally I was excited to see the Yacht finally and was disappointed when it was shown as a Runabout externally.
Would the borg assimilate a dolphin?
We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.
I'd say thats a big ol 10-4
interesting idea
The perfect drones to assimilate aquatic worlds and fluidic space.
Johnny, meat Jones. Sailer Jones.
Grady O’Grady 8472 is in trouble now
Just putting this out there, it was the WONDERFUL show of Lower Decks that finally let us see Cetacean Ops :D
No matter how advanced humans become, no matter how fancy your ship is, cats just don't give a sh- well they do but they don't care
In Star Trek TNG novel Dark Mirror there was a Dolphin Cmdr by the name of Hwii. A navigational specialist and warp theorist. The events of Dark Mirror take place in Season 4 of TNG just after the Borg incident.
According to the Enterprise-D dedication plaque on the bridge, the engines were made by Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems. That is the front company used by the evil Red Lectroids from the cult movie Buckaroo Banzai.
The dolphins are just there for the free food. Thanks for the video TrekCulture
Nice! And yes, please, cover all the other series ships/base.
Love the shoutout to Bob Kelso. The most epic penny pinching troll on tv.
Who is here after watching lower decks?
meeeeee
Now i know that they (dolphins) were actually on the enterprise d all along, i love lower decks even more.
Would love to see a breakdown of the ships interior dimensions, I'd imagine that the reactor and fuel would have a lot of shielding and air gaps around them, plus the torpedo bays, cargo bays, clearly there's shuttle storage outside the hangar seeing how readily they loose shuttles and carry on regardless.
I don't think these calculations take shielding around engineering, thickness of the hull, conduits in walls, and such into account.
What's so criminal about Cetacean Ops is that it was sooo ignored by TNG & would have been a great tie in to the movies in TOS. I mean SeaQuest DSV did this right...I'm I right?
Also why did they drop the idea of 3 dimensional/axis travel? I do remember a episode of TNG that had the ship running into something but the couldn't see it on screen. I believe that the Cetacean Ops would have said something was their rather then sending the probe "up and over" the object in question. Ohh all the missed opportunities for even more wonderful general knowledge stuff that we missed in Trek 🤧.
Also how cool would it have been to have Cetacean Ops on all shows set after TOS? What does Q think of Cetacean Ops? Does Guinan know/familiar with this part of the enterprise?
Also seeing the size of Cetacean Ops in Voyager would have been awesome. What if they could have told Voyager to "drop under or fly up" above the rotational level of the galaxy then fly counter wise to the speed of the galaxy's orbit/rotation to get home faster?
Is that how Q got around the galaxy so quickly?
was often claimed in the show that Voyager didn't carry enough fuel or provisions for such a long trip, it was necessary for them to resupply in star systems, nebulae, and civilized worlds now and then. Plus, they are explorers presented with an unequaled opportunity for exploration. And stubborn Captain Janeway never loses an argument or changes an order once she's given her decision, anyone who doesn't agree with her decision to do 70000LY of sight-seeing can make the voyage in the brig or get off her ship.
@@pwnmeisterage you would be right, if 70,000 light years is in any axis going in the direction back to earth then yeah...I can still see it taking that long.
But to see a Cetacean Ops on Voyager would have been awesome to see
I love that in ST: Lower Decks we finally got to see Cetacean Ops.
It is probably a lot smaller than the Enterprise-D but was at least a taste of what could have been.
captain Picard, Geordi LaForge, and counselor Troi took the captain's yacht: The Runabout out in one episode where they encountered temporal distortions
From everything I’ve read and heard, the Captain’s Yacht was something different and never shown on screen during the TNG series. I think they even had sketches of what it would look like and it was different than the standard TNG shuttles or DS9 runabouts (but maybe I’m conflating the image of it with the one from the Enterprise E)
@@redapol5678 sorry my bad, you’re right. The captains yacht in TNG was called the calypso as stated by sir Patrick Stewart
So, I take it that relatives of Darwin from Seaquest DSV crewed the Enterprise D in the future? Good, I always liked that character!
Yes. I want to see a version of this for all the ships. I absolutely love this video, and the fun you clearly had making it. Bring on more, my friend!
#1: That was actually a result of the events of Star Trek 4. The whales that they rescued learned to speak with with the dolphins in the 'time' that they were brought to, while trying to figure out what was going on. They decided to try to learn how to communicate with humans, which actually was successful, eventually. It was a result of that that convinced Star Fleet to recognize cetaceans as a people. From then on, many cetaceans began to work together with humans, with some even enlisting in Star Fleet.
On a side note, I wish that these had been referenced in the episode "The Measure of a Man." This is because, in that episode, Data's rights as a member of Star Fleet are called into question because he is not human.
Correction: Data's rights in Star Fleet were brought into question because he was mechanical in nature, not biological. It had nothing to do with humanity.
Had a nightmare last night. I was being assimilated by a dolphin with borg implants. 😳
I think that the Dolphin crew members was remembered by NBC executives, or some of the same behind the scenes crew, when they made the television program, "Seaquest DSV", starring Roy Scheider. On that show, based on a super submarine, not a spaceship, they did have integrated dolphin crew members and glass tubes throughout the ship for the dolphins to travel through.
Okay, this is one of the best Star Trek UA-cam videos I have ever seen. I loved it! I had no idea that the main shuttle bay on the ship was supposedly so massive.
Regarding the amount of space taken up by People on the enterprise, few problems.
1: I think you underestimate how much ship subsystems occupy. Seriously. You're talking about absolute YONKS of of conduits, cables, data lines, corridor walls, cargo bays, an entire shuttle bay deck that was fleshed out a bit more in a promotional game, and the fact that the warp core, the deflector, and basically every single other component of the ship was, you know... huge.
2: Regarding an aircraft carrier's size, we know that on the Enterprise, at LEAST senior staff all have decent sized rooms, if not basically everyone else onboard. We do know that Excelsior class vessels have barracks-style bunking for junior officers, but I don't think we ever really pieced that together for the Galaxy class, so I have no reason to believe they wouldn't have their own crew quarters, especially given the size. By comparison, in an aircraft carrier, sleeping is done in basically alcoves in a hallway, three to a stack, and hot bunked. Which means that your bunk isn't YOUR bunk. When you're getting up for a shift, someone else is getting into that bunk. And again. That's three to a stack, three stacks to an alcove. Just the addition of a room and bathroom for each member of the crew takes up a good amount of space.
3: The halls. Seriously, the halls. Again, we'll look at the aircraft carrier comparison. If you're on an aircraft carrier, there's a flow of traffic that you're basically beholden to, and you're gonna get shit for not sticking to it, especially during a GQ call(For reference, General Quarters is basically Red Alert, all hands to stations. Which means you're moving your ass HARD. In a hallway that's more narrow than your closet doorway). By comparison, a Galaxy class vessel's corridors were wide enough on the main decks to accommodate several crewmen shoulder to shoulder. We see where this sort of design idea doesn't QUITE work as well on the Intrepid class, where the much lower decks have very, very narrow walkways, but even there, the space would be a dream for most naval officers. Hell, even just the entry to Engineering and the warp core on the Galaxy Class was enormous enough to accomodate Laforge's combat-roll every time there was a coolant leak.
Also, regarding the Dolphin thing... Seaquest DSV. That's all I'm sayin'.
"#2 it was originally designed for Kirk" what we saw onscreen was "#2 it was full of cat sh@t"😂
Is it not the same thing :D
Cursed content xD
Your videos keep changing my life and its parameters. Wow cetacean ops. I am forever in your debt mister
Livingston (Picard's fish) hates those whales and dolphins.
Because they were always making fun of the size of his tank.
Livingston outranks them anyhow. Whales are smart enough to know you don't mess with Captain Ahab's favourites.
And Patrick Stewart hated having a fish in a bowl.
2:31 Well this explains all the scenes on Discovery where you saw the turbolift flying around inside a gigantic vacuous interior of the ship.
I never knew the thing about the dolphins on Enterprise D
I swear I just watched the episode this morning where Geordie asks the ferangi if he wants to see the dolphin lol
In the 1993 novel written by Diane Duane called Dark Mirror where they explored the mirror universe and a mirror Enterprise D one of the characters was a sentient dolphin scientist. He had some kind of bubble with anti grav hooked to it and a universal translator, he also helped navigate the ship back to it's own universe. This may have been mentioned before, I'm not going to go through five hundred comments to find out. Cool book and a good Star Trek story.
Did the dophins survive Star Trek: Generations?
D:
I'd actually tend to think they would, if they were still there: these'd be dolphins with escape pods (I'd tend to guess those'd be where to go when the bridge calls 'Brace for impact: ' ...smaller tanks, less slosh.) and force fields and intertial dampers that'd probably be damn beefy cause they..... live in water and breathe air? With Star Trek tech ...that they could operate, ....they'd probably be good till the rescue ships came. Since 'casualties were light,' I also assume the crew in general got off with maybe some injuries of varying degrees of severity, from the crash anyway.
@@OllamhDrab I found the blueprints online which show four escape vessels accessible to the tanks. But the Cetacean lab is part of the saucer section which means they would have had a rough ride in the saucer down to the planet.
Too soon man...
@@brett8481 There's upsides and downsides to being surrounded by water in a circumstance like that. But in general, if you were in a swimming pool crashing, you'd get hurt a lot worse if it was empty than if it was full. (And we may safely infer that in general the ship's complement didn't smack into walls at high speed anyway: kittycat seemed fine.)
Also remember, they breathe air, so even if the water went away after impact, all they'd likely get from that is dry skin and maybe a backache.
I literally just watched Eye of the beholder!
Last few months have been a TNG rewatch marathon!
You repeated the cat sh*t slide by mistake at 10:24
Was it a mistake?
Intended for Kirk = full of cat shit? Sounds plausible.
I wonder if Cetacean Ops was a nod to David Brin’s Startide Rising. Great book, BTW. Uplifted dolphins and apes we part of the Streaker crew.