F-35 Emergency Egress - Getting Out On The Ground
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Mover and I look at a video of a pilot egressing an F-35 and reminisce about the challenges of getting out of a fighter without a ladder! Fun times.
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This was part of an emergency exercise here in Japan. All pilots were practicing emergency egress. They do it once a year; full rollout. They are instructed to use the wing if they are on the ground and engines are on if there are any fire lights but no obvious fire. Essentially they are instructed to not eject while on the ground unless the plane is a fireball.
The going up is fun, the coming down not so much
As a controller years ago, I watched the pilot of an F16 do something similar. He was #4 in a flight of 4. They were departing non-standard and he just sat there. Never said anything over the radio, he just bailed. Canopy flew up and he got busy shucking off his harness. Climbed out and down he went. He ran to the side of the runway. We called the crash crew, which was interesting, and told them a pilot abandoned his F16 on the runway and we don’t know why. Found out later he had some flight control issue and suspected a hydrazine leak. I was impressed at how fast he was able to get out of that aircraft. He was really moving.
A suspected hydrazine leak is a damned good motivator to GTFO in record time!
@@cruisinguy6024 Honestly he was safer in the jet.
@Ender_Wiggin03 That’s what I think too. I don’t know for sure, but was told in a situation involving flight control problems/hydrazine the pilot was supposed to stay in the aircraft, canopy down, oxygen mask on and wait for the cart to drain it. I don’t know that’s true or not, maybe somebody can verify that.
@@cruisinguy6024 as a none pilot civie what would hydrazine be used for on a military aircraft? I understand it’s used in rocket fuel, but missiles are solid fuel powered sooo?..part of the aircraft’s hydraulic system?.
@@dirtdevil70on the f16 its used to power the emergency power unit
When I was a kid I saw a Tomcat crew man up, start, and launch at NAS Glenview. They waited for ground crew but none came, then the RIO got out, ran the start cart, and the right engine started. The RIO yanked the air hose, put up the crew ladder, climbed up the horizontal stab, ran to the cockpit and got in. The left engine started and the canopy closed, then the Tomcat taxied, taking off a few minutes later. I thought it was weird. Then I saw the same thing in the Top Gun sequel a couple years ago 😂
Ngl I thought this was gonna be some Skyrim level bait and switch where you just then say “and I was watching Top Gun”. I’m surprised that’s an actual thing to do!
@@sgtrpcommand3778 It's not Rocket-Surgery to use a Huff-Cart, it's so easy even the Marines could do it!
Jesus, thats a brave drop with a very expensive crash hat.
I had an ECU destroy itself in an F-117 climbing out of Nellis, cockpit went full hot. It was the only time I actually considered jettisoning the canopy in flight. It was wicked hot. 10 more minutes in the air and I would have popped the top.
Was it “really” Nellis? Or somewhere else
I’ve done the flap slide in the Hornet. Take your gear off, leave it in the cockpit or on the turtleback, slide down a flap and try to not eat it, then go pop the ladder and get your gear.
Done the opposite on the road too…throw your gear on the turtleback, put your wingman’s ladder up, put yours up, climb up the wingtip LAU, gear up and hop in…
Originally, as planned, the F-35’s boarding ladder was supposed to be electrically controlled either from the cockpit or an outside switch for ground crews. This feature was eliminated for weight reduction reasons.
I’m surprised that they cannot pack a small rope or chain ladder in a cockpit pack available to the pilot in case of an emergency like this.
Dyneema rope ladder with carbon fiber rungs? What's a couple more bucks on already over budget military equipment😅
too much risk of it coming unsecured during High-G, and creating a hazard.
Scarey about the hydrazine! Very interesting and engaging!
I know it’s 9 days later but I immediately knew this was an electrical fire. It was confirmed an electrical fire. I could smell this video from a mile away. Just had an electric fire at my work right before this video happened, I couldn’t even imagine how fast I would run away from an enclosed space. I had to run towards the work fire and pull wires out scared m good.
Definitely need this for the little ladies. Look at the 1956 movie “b-52”. An actor, the late great Efrem Zimbalist,jr, climbs out of a smoking actual B52 and walks off the wing and then jumps to the ground, no stunt man and a real B52, back when the USAF would do most anything for some good PR
Injuries cost the military a lot of money lol
Those big wheeled yellow fire extinguishers are great to climb on and stand on. Extinguisher has to be taken away before start-up though.
I heard a story from Bob Hoover during his testing of the F-86 back in the day at Edwards, he had some kind of electrical problem and was forced to land on one of the local highways in the Mojave desert, and had to wait for AF crews to arrive from EDW, about 2 hour drive. His canopy was jammed shut and he was stuck in the aircraft that entire time. he recorded the temps in the cockpit rose to over 138 degrees before he was extracted from the aircraft 2 hours later
It was possible to get locked into the rear seat of a TA-4 as well. Used to have this trick played while doing maintenance in the rear cockpit. Gets hot really fast in Yuma and Florida.
Holy moly, I don’t know if I could have endured that for half an hour let alone two
@@cruisinguy6024 You wouldn't have much choice.
@@crazypetec-130fe7 the F-86 had a zero/zero ejection seat
Back when the Navy had the TA-4. I saw many pilots climb on the wing using the drop tank and standing on the refueling probe to get in and out of the Aircraft.
A-4 with wing tanks was easy to get on and off.
The RJ had an escape rope at the overhead hatch to slide down. Our instructor said yes, the pitot tubes would split your gut open but they would also cauterize the wound so you wouldn’t bleed out:)
The hardest one to get out of is a T-37 Tweet. Especially if you're old and stiff. Like getting out of a low riding sports car. 😄
Meh. My buddy was leaving PIT Stan/Eval to return to the squadron in 1984. It was his last chance to go play with the spin demos in the PIT syllabus. They were flight examiner only maneuvers. We dropped into Kelly after fun in the west MOAs for a couple touch and goes before RTBing to Randolph. I was flying in the right seat, Bobby was in the left. In the flare we heard a very loud bang behind us. He saw the hydraulic pressure drop to zero and kept repeating, "Hold it off!" while he broke the safety wire and pulled the gear blowdown bottle T-handle. We stopped pretty quickly and asked tower to roll the trucks. Getting out was rather easy and fast. The A/C was seriously bleeding hydraulic fluid out of both engine bay panels. A ring that holds the accumulator to the connector in the hydraulic system had failed. The 3-4" diameter bottle came very close to punching through and exiting the side of the airplane. The fun part was the phone call from the wing DO in Base Ops. I answered it and his words: " What did you two clowns do to my airplane?" Apparently, he wasn't too pleased 2 of his flight examiners were leaving the USAF. I'd have loved to be there when Howie Attarian, T'bird #3 on the first Viper team then T-38 PIT IP, told him ~2 years later that he was getting out. I know a little of what Gen. Creech had to say to Howie.
Try getting out of the Tweet if there is no battery power with the canopy down. There's nearly no chance a solo would ever be able to raise the canopy. Even dual the thinking was to hope the canopy jettison worked.
In the early '80s the Reese safety shop decided to try the canopy breaker tool on a canopy that had been removed from service but not yet removed from the A/C. Mid 80s F and sunny, one of our big and beefy IPs got in the seat with a thermometer and started pounding away. He completely wore himself out in a few minutes and never did pierce the canopy. The cockpit temperature was nearly 130F. The plexiglass was so hot that it was flexing and wouldn't break.
AHHH...thats why we see gear slung on the far/outer pylon when hornets are chilling at municipal air ports.
A-6s had a swing down boarding ladder built into the fuselage. I think that’s a better design but I don’t think the pilot or bombardier/navigator would be able to open those up. So they would need a person on the ground to get them open to escape the cockpit. I was an A6 Intruder plane captain in VA-42 from 1973 through Aug. 14, 1975.
A-10 Pilots looking down at these Peasants with their separate ladders:
That Signature look of Aristocratic Superiority
A drunken Co-Pilot in my last company was hiding in the aft baggage compartment and tried to jump from the Global XRS‘ cargo door when the „alcohol ramp testers“ came 🤣
Doug Masters would've just dropped the rope ladder.
Sliding down the nose, that sounds sketchy! In an F-16, I'd be worried about the AoA probes. Those things come out to a sharp point and they stick out 90 degrees right and left, it's like a sharp ice-pick sticking out of the nose just waiting to do you terrible injury. I'm having visions of sliding down the nose and getting a good portion of your leg ripped open. I think I'd take my chances of going over the side of the canopy sill.
He's lucky the mixer behind the cockpit wasn't running
Mover, you owe me a new monitor... I just spit Dewar's all over my monitor. Sliding down the front with a warm pitot tub? OMG that was funny!
LOL!
@@themoverandgonkyshow
I think I'd be scared of the AoA probes on that one, too. They stick out 90 degrees from the nose and they come to a sharp point.
Haha!!
The C-5 has descent reels from the upper deck. Never wanted to experience using them.
I know our Super pilots used to deflect the horizontal stabs to max negative pitch at shutdown, made the stabs a very easy slide to get down off the jet...
The stabs drop when the motors shut off, the pilots don't put them there.
Algorithmic engagement comment.
LOL!!
Thanks!
John thank you for the support!
Oh, the stories I could tell....
Mike, former F-16 crew chief
The canopy blocks the nose and the intakes is just behind and to the sides of the cockpit so along the back and wing seems the only option.
Everywhere has something that vaguely looks like a B-1 or B-4 (or a C-1 stand). The question is this: Where is it, in relation to the flight line (and who is gonna tow it or push it. You can tow a B-1 or B-4 but a C-1 [the simple 2 or 3-4 foot tall stand that Mover refers to] needs to be PUSHED BY HAND. At work, a standard work ladder would work... with a risk of fucking up the paint...
Way back in WW2, the Luftwaffe figured out the quickest way to get down from a Me 262 wing was to slide down the jet tailpipe.
Can we get a little more exposition on the 'silver key'? What is it? What does it do?
"turn the heat off, O-F-F"
LOL!
You guys can’t remember things. I feel better now, sort of. You’re much younger than me and I can’t remember crap.
I don’t remember egress training in the T-37 or T-38. The C-130 they just told us how. Pilot and co-pilot swing windows and the overhead hatches had a rope that could be deployed.
How did Thunderchief pilots emergency ground egress? The 105 is at least 15 feet off the ground.
My assumption is by hopping onto the rear stabilizer then sliding down, it’s maybe 4’ off the ground on the trailing edge
To be fair, he saw Sentinel Prime coming and knew it was go time.
Ladder? we don't need no stinkin' ladder!
Keep up the good work.
A-6E you could egress climbing onto the wing and then drop to the end of the wing.
During F-16 engine run class they always taught us to egress by stepping over the HUD, walking down the nose, and jumping off of the radome.
Huh !?
Could you explain the "ram dump" procedure?
He makes a lot of work for the LO guys.
I presume these escapes are to avoid the intakes
“Hot and dry!!”
Apparently this jet had it's engine running, thus why he went out the back.
Does the F-35 have Hydrazine ?
No. It doesn't have rocket thrusters nor does it fly in vacuum.
No, F-35 has a proper Honeywell GTS130 APU using the jet's fuel in its Power and Thermal Management System (PTMS) used for starting, emergency power, and cooling / thermal systems management (along with the fuel itself) apparently.
@@stargazer7644last I checked the F-16 doesn’t fly in a vacuum or have rocket thrusters yet it has hydrazine and it’s not the only one either
@@stargazer7644 doesn,t know F16 EPU uses Hydrazene
@@FirstDaggerat least they did one smart thing this time.
Come on mover do you need to call MACE to find out how to emergency egress from an F -16 ?
You guys can't depart without ground crew???
The leader in f35 must be automatic
Left AMAD Failure. Left AMAD Failure.
Commercial jets have a rope or strap for egress from the flight deck, why not F-35s?
They don’t all have a rope or similar. The 747 famously has an escape mechanism that slowly lowers the flight crew, the A320 family has a rope, I think the 777 does as well but not 737. That being said it’s a very different situation and need for commercial aircraft where the pilots could be trapped versus a fighter.
You don’t want to egress in front of potentially sucking air intakes.
On larger jets, the cockpit is much further away from the intakes/engines so that’s not a problem there.
Pito on the viper is off unless WoW switch is disengaged
There is NO WAY you're climbing out of the seat and going around the canopy and down the backbone onto the wing of an F16. Jumping out and hanging onto the sill to lower yourself as much as you can before you let go is the only hope.
Oh, and hope you remember to shut off the engine first
Were the cockpit materials made of mostly fire proof material? (12 year firefighter)
Name an aircraft whereby a ladder IS required for an emergency egress.
just eject!
Rooster jsjs
Ahh, that’s not impressive. I used to egress my B1 like that all the time.
You can clearly see in the video the heat haze coming from the exhaust which means the engine is still running and I bet no one wants to be near the intakes.
It doesn’t stop being hot just because you shut the engine down. It takes time.
You see this is the reason they should have kept using the Gnat. Probably a disabled person can get out with that much problem.🤣
Only if they park in the Disabled Space on the carrier. Might have a hard time bringing your groceries with you without the ladder though