Cut Riflng on HAAS TL 2

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  • Опубліковано 28 лют 2021
  • In this video, Jim goes behind the scenes and shows the process he developed for rifling our 44" muzzleloader barrels. We use a HAAS T-L 2 Lathe for the entire process and the CAD / CAM was done on Autodesk Fusion 360.
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  • @MrCclime
    @MrCclime 14 днів тому +1

    One day, I'm going to win the lottery and set up a home machine shop. I hope by then, you have patented this and are selling your tech to the public. I've watched many videos of the different rifling processes and this is absolutely phenomenonal ‼️ I would do this in a heartbeat if I could. Thank you so much ‼️

  • @theThinkerator
    @theThinkerator 7 місяців тому +8

    People that love dogs are my kind of people!

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  7 місяців тому +1

      dogs are the best!

  • @halfabee
    @halfabee 9 місяців тому +3

    Impressed. You have given away secretes.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  7 місяців тому +2

      glad you enjoyed.

  • @richardmattix5322
    @richardmattix5322 Рік тому +15

    Precision is a drug you can`t quench. You can only be satisfied knowing you did your best.

    • @davidlawrence8085
      @davidlawrence8085 2 місяці тому

      Yeah..........Well said....." Precision is a drug you can`t quench "

  • @jamen23
    @jamen23 8 місяців тому +4

    As a professional quarter back arm chair critic, I say....."outstanding work!"

  • @spasticjackson9578
    @spasticjackson9578 9 місяців тому +3

    That adjustment method is very clever, very cool ! 26:40

  • @58limited
    @58limited 5 місяців тому +3

    Very interesting video. I have a good friend who started making muzzleloaders as a teen in the 1940s (hobby only, not commercially). At the time there were no parts suppliers so he repurposed locks and trigger sets from junk rifles and made his own barrels and stocks. I'm going to show him this video the next time that I visit him. Using books from the library for reference he made a manual rifling jig like the ones used in the late 1700s/ early 1800s. It takes about 300 passes per groove; six grooves total so 32 passes is a great improvement. I am fortunate to have one of his rifles and it is a tack driver.

  • @Aztal
    @Aztal 8 місяців тому +7

    It's all impressive, but the automatic cutter adjustment is very clever! Kudos!

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  7 місяців тому +2

      Thank you very much.

  • @maddog45auto66
    @maddog45auto66 2 місяці тому +2

    It's great to know when I go to the woods with my Southern mountain rifle to deerhunt. It was made with quality machinery that I can count love your videals. They're very interesting. I ordered a Southern mountain rifle in 45 caliber, and 2024 cant wait to get it. Thanks again.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  Місяць тому

      Thank you very much! We appreciate your business!

  • @lunkydog
    @lunkydog 11 місяців тому +10

    As a guy that ran CNC lathes for almost 20 yrs, I found this very ingenious. Well done, sir. Thanks for posting this.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  7 місяців тому

      Thank you very much.

  • @shirothehero0609
    @shirothehero0609 Рік тому +3

    This world would be a worse place without our puppies. What a sweet kiddo.

  • @tonybletas431
    @tonybletas431 2 роки тому +38

    He who knows his art explains it to the point that at the end, all questions are answered without being asked! Excellent presentation.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  2 роки тому +7

      Thank you for the compliment!

    • @garywemmer9342
      @garywemmer9342 Рік тому +2

      But what about the angles and specs!
      Inquiring minds need to know!

  • @PatriotPaulUSA
    @PatriotPaulUSA Рік тому +8

    Really nice you have figured that all out as a small company. Congrats on such fine work.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  Рік тому +2

      Thanks for the kind comment

  • @bobfugazy4916
    @bobfugazy4916 Рік тому +9

    Thanks Jim, that's very ingenious what you've designed there. Thank you for sharing.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  Рік тому +2

      Thanks for the compliment Bob! We appreciate you watching our video!

  • @terapode
    @terapode 11 місяців тому +7

    I liked the slow pace of the video and how all operation was explained in details, no rush. Good job!!

  • @rossilake3430
    @rossilake3430 9 місяців тому +6

    You really nailed that rifling process using the CNC lathe. I’m a hobby machinist and have seen the single point rifling machines, located North of Milwaukee.. They pretty much do the same process. I learned machining by watching YT video’s. 👍

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  6 місяців тому +1

      I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the video, thank you for watching!

  • @user-uj6bg5rq5i
    @user-uj6bg5rq5i 7 місяців тому +2

    Wow, this is the most perfect river knife I have ever seen. I really want this set of knife drawings to complete my toy.

  • @Jozomo
    @Jozomo 2 роки тому +10

    Your ingenuity and expertise is remarkable and your compassion with Little Dog shows. You would make a great employer or friend. I'm 83 not looking for job. Just totally impressed by you and your presentation. Bless you young man!

  • @k.s.1871
    @k.s.1871 9 місяців тому +3

    As a retired toolmaker, I say EXCELLENT !

  • @rufustoad1
    @rufustoad1 10 місяців тому +3

    Wow. I just received a 1943 9" South Bend lathe with a 4.5' bed that my grandfather used to make barrels on. Huge difference from then and now. I also received a ton of tools and bits that I struggle to understand what they do but I know there were a lot more tools needed back then they do now. Cool stuff

    • @trevorjarvis3050
      @trevorjarvis3050 9 місяців тому

      Is there any way you could post a video of this lathe?

    • @rufustoad1
      @rufustoad1 9 місяців тому

      @@trevorjarvis3050 Hi, I don't do UA-cam but if you have a way I can take a video and send it to you

    • @trevorjarvis3050
      @trevorjarvis3050 9 місяців тому

      @@rufustoad1 I understand… I thought you might have a channel. I have my eye on an old South Bend that’s been sitting in shop for about 25 years, waiting for the guy to decide to let it go… It has some different tooling I’ve never seen before. I think this lathe may have been used to make barrels. He has a number of sine bars, and the ratchet mechanism as well as the rack. I too am wondering what the rest of the tooling looks like so I can determine if it’s all there.

    • @rufustoad1
      @rufustoad1 9 місяців тому

      @@trevorjarvis3050 No worries. This one will also be up for sale soon so if things don't work out let me know.

    • @trevorjarvis3050
      @trevorjarvis3050 9 місяців тому

      @@rufustoad1 let me know where you list it and I’ll find it… thanks!

  • @markserbu
    @markserbu 2 роки тому +20

    Awesome modern technology take on an old process...well done!

  • @drevil4454
    @drevil4454 Рік тому +1

    Best video on how rifling is done.

  • @trevorseals6588
    @trevorseals6588 Рік тому +17

    I like how the cutter depth isn’t on its own axis, but is still controlled automatically

  • @TheWirksworthGunroom
    @TheWirksworthGunroom 9 місяців тому +4

    Great work. Magnificent design and toolmaking. Does make one appreciate the work done in the past in designing such a machine to work entirely mechanically - and to do all the design on a drawing board and notepad!

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  7 місяців тому +2

      Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed the video.

  • @stanleydudzik2023
    @stanleydudzik2023 2 роки тому +22

    I was a toolmaker for 20 yrs and as such I’m impressed as hell . I did most of my work on conventional machines .I would have done things like making the rifling cutter . I have even setup and run gun drilling machines . I enjoyed this presentation immensely. Keep up the good work. Your attention to detail is the reason I ordered one of your kits . I knew it would be done right .

    • @garywemmer9342
      @garywemmer9342 Рік тому

      My Dad worked at Ingersoll Milling Machine co. for , about 32 years.
      Some of the things that transpired in the tool room, are the things of dreams!
      He started me out with a hacksaw and a file, as one must.
      It worked wonders!

  • @kmrere42
    @kmrere42 5 місяців тому +1

    Hi, Nice to see your shop.. The screw assembly on the back end of the spindle to hold the barrel stable is called a " spider ".. Keep up the excellent work..

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  4 місяці тому +1

      Thank you! I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the video!

  • @brucewilliams6292
    @brucewilliams6292 9 місяців тому +4

    Very impressive what you have been able to come up with. Thank you for sharing!

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  7 місяців тому +1

      So nice of you, thanks!

  • @jimburnsjr.
    @jimburnsjr. 5 місяців тому +1

    that is indeed clever... fantastic bit of work; thanks for sharing it.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  5 місяців тому

      Thank you very much! Happy to hear you enjoyed the video!

  • @1320pass
    @1320pass Рік тому +6

    Absolutely brilliant process and a great presentation. Thank you for sharing your craft.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  Рік тому +2

      Thank you for watching our video! We appreciate your interest!

  • @grassroot011
    @grassroot011 11 місяців тому +2

    man that was amazing how you manufactured the cutter in house, good stuff and an enjoyable process to watch too, thanks

  • @johnr.labella3660
    @johnr.labella3660 3 роки тому +20

    Awesome to see the growth of your company. Love to see anything in metal being manufactured

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your comment and your business!! It was good to see you at the show.

  • @andrewlambert7246
    @andrewlambert7246 2 роки тому +2

    These types of videos helps prove how advanced my rifling knowledge and methods are.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  2 роки тому +2

      If you have anything useful to share, Jim is open to input as he mentioned

    • @CarpinteroJesus
      @CarpinteroJesus 2 роки тому +2

      How can I get one of your barrels, thank you for sharing this very explained video

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  2 роки тому +1

      @@CarpinteroJesus Feel free to contact us jim@kiblerslongrifles.com

  • @tsclly2377
    @tsclly2377 9 місяців тому +2

    I like your cutter, as it has the potential to do squeeze bore rifling and can be set up for polygonal also.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for watching!

  • @garywemmer9342
    @garywemmer9342 Рік тому

    Must give that baby Lovins & Skrichens!
    They need that critical human contact.
    For, they are God's gift !

  • @mdbryan9525
    @mdbryan9525 8 місяців тому +1

    Back in the mid eighties I drove the Blue Ridge Parkway. There was a small building that housed a early rifling machine. Almost all of it was built out of wood. The technology is almost identical except for the accuracy and automation.

  • @breathinglead871
    @breathinglead871 9 місяців тому +1

    The TL-2 is the only Hass machine I've enjoyed being on

  • @johnstephenson7620
    @johnstephenson7620 2 роки тому +2

    I love your three legged mascot🐕🐶

  • @cyrusfrost8029
    @cyrusfrost8029 9 місяців тому +1

    Incredibly clever setup and tooling design.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  7 місяців тому

      thank you very much, glad you like it!

  • @devemch7851
    @devemch7851 2 роки тому +10

    There are different ways to rifle a barrel. Cut riffling being one of the oldest. I don’t like button because the control of the lead is often a chicken and egg problem. The sexiest riffing machine has to be the Pratt Whitney model A sine bar. The model B got rid of the sine bar and has two gangs to speed things up. The hydraulics on the B are a nightmare as many specialized parts are obsolete. The model A downside is that uses turn of the century machine technology and was originally line shaft drive. Other makers of sine bars are basically copies of the Pratt
    Whitney.
    What you have done here is really impressive. Quality barrels are cut riffle barrels. I am not a fan of hammered barrels… originally designed for the German MG42 machine gun. It solves a problem unique to the MG42 but not on the radar for muzzleloaders. Marlins micro groove is a joke. I think fewer deeper lands are the way to go for long term reliability.
    While it would be nice to improve cycle time, you run the risk of breaking tooling and reducing quality. Cut riffling has always been time consuming. Personally I would accept it as a necessary evil and focus on quality. One of the proverbs from Solomon on haste comes to mind.
    I have searched for a model A for 20 years. After WE1, the anti gun mentality saw many scrapped and many exported to the Slavic countries. Model Bs were also scrapped in number after WW2.
    I have tinkered with idea of building a model A from scratch. The pattern work is insane and the bed casting is no easy machine problem requiring sending the bed around the country to get planed and ground. Older model As will likely need to be sent to Wisconsin for grinding as well.
    So what you have done is an impressive solution to a vexing problem. My hat is off to you on this one.

    • @arthurvandervelde
      @arthurvandervelde 8 місяців тому

      And My hat off to you Sir, for offering this excellent background information which I have copied and saved.

  • @zmkburma
    @zmkburma 2 роки тому +5

    Thank you for explaining comprehensively and showing the whole process. It is very interesting.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  Місяць тому

      Thanks for watching, glad to hear you enjoyed it.

  • @35southkiwi16
    @35southkiwi16 5 місяців тому +1

    That cutter depth adjustment is really clever.

  • @johnron331
    @johnron331 3 роки тому +2

    Morning from NZ,well worth the coffee and the growling from the wife.

  • @larryalexander4833
    @larryalexander4833 Рік тому +1

    This is a older video I know , just not long ago lost my dog Sassy of 15 years. They are joy in this old world and we are their whole world . Cherish thier time with us!

  • @earlwheelock7844
    @earlwheelock7844 11 місяців тому +1

    ABSOLUTLY!! FASINATING!!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

  • @goldcoasttime
    @goldcoasttime 3 роки тому +3

    Brilliant bloody brilliant.....

  • @monroeautobody1971
    @monroeautobody1971 3 роки тому +8

    Great design and process, well thought out down to the smallest detail, very clean. Gerrit

  • @richardhillman9745
    @richardhillman9745 2 роки тому +2

    Sorry to hear about your little dog, it's a shame they don't last longer, mine is getting old also. I hope she had a good life.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  2 роки тому +2

      Thank you Richard. We really miss her. She did have a good long life.

  • @metalillness5951
    @metalillness5951 2 роки тому +6

    Very clever process you created, I'm impressed. It's great that with that lathe you have control over the C axis. I had no idea that was a feature on that model lathe. Thanks for sharing and posting the video.

  • @deeparks3112
    @deeparks3112 3 роки тому +4

    Greetings Jim, Dave P here. A modern Innovative approach to a centuries old process, good on ye sir. Very interesting video demonstration to boot, enjoyed it. I hope your family, and business, are fairing well during this world wide pandemic.

  • @mylife6453
    @mylife6453 3 роки тому +4

    Awesome designed cutter. Kudos to to you sir.

  • @DARIVSARCHITECTVS
    @DARIVSARCHITECTVS Рік тому +2

    Just a thought, instead of plugging the oil pump in, rig a switch neat the control box for easier operator access. If you trust relays, you could automate the oil pump from input from the control box. It depends on how much damage ensues from running the cutter dry. Thanks for showing us this fascinating process!

  • @nieuportflyer
    @nieuportflyer 3 роки тому +2

    That sold me Jim. I'll be talking with you soon. Thanks for sharing 👍

  • @abrahamdiazdeleoncamou4764
    @abrahamdiazdeleoncamou4764 8 місяців тому

    Very interesting..!!, thanks for sharing..!!

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  7 місяців тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed!

  • @cosmiccharlie8294
    @cosmiccharlie8294 2 роки тому +2

    Very impressive that you doped this out yourselves!

  • @manuelluis9106
    @manuelluis9106 Рік тому +3

    Olá sou português adoro trabalhar com metais e não sei porque razão, mas desde uns anos para cá, que eu tenho acompanhado tudo sobre fabricação e reparação de armas.
    E é a primeira vez que vejo isso, é espetacular parabéns excelente idéia por essa ferramenta.
    Desejo muito sucesso para vocês. E eu adorava trabalhar numa fafrica assim.
    Um grande abraço de Portugal felicidades.

  • @cassiusclay7482
    @cassiusclay7482 Рік тому +1

    Super travail merci pour la vidéo (de France)

  • @kentowens2179
    @kentowens2179 3 роки тому +1

    Very interesting video! Thank you for sharing it!

  • @larrybeck3857
    @larrybeck3857 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for verifying ,what I've never had tools to implement. Bless your all.

  • @bigrod0069
    @bigrod0069 2 місяці тому

    Very impressive, i need one them machines now! 😊😊😂😂

  • @powersawtomfoolery6739
    @powersawtomfoolery6739 2 роки тому +3

    Great explanation and demonstration video. Thank you! I just saw a video with Brux Barrels. They are using Pratt & Whitney machines and their cycle time is around 30 minutes for a "standard" blank, 27"-ish? I'd say in your case using an adapted machine and blanks that are 30% longer, your cycle times are acceptable.
    The best barrels are lapped after rifling. You could consider lead lapping your barrels for an even more uniform finish.
    Great job!

  • @tykellerman6384
    @tykellerman6384 2 роки тому +1

    Fantastic explanation and design for the cutter thanks for the video 🤠👍

  • @danielmccann4055
    @danielmccann4055 2 роки тому +1

    outstanding work.

  • @snakedike
    @snakedike 2 роки тому +1

    Very clever bit of engineering.

  • @smac5
    @smac5 2 роки тому +1

    Very impressive technology and video.

  • @hpbear101
    @hpbear101 3 роки тому +1

    Fascinating solution!

  • @noriszilverbergen5227
    @noriszilverbergen5227 2 роки тому +1

    Nice "tiara"!!
    Never work without "Safety Tiara" on your head !!

  • @user-pv4ng6lg1h
    @user-pv4ng6lg1h Рік тому

    ВОТ ЭТО Я ПОНИМАЮ , ИНСТРУМЕНТ , СТАНОК , И САМ ЦЕХ ПРОСТО НА ВЫСОТЕ ! ВЫСШИЙ КЛАСС ! ОБЗАВИДУЕШСЯ .

  • @donstallard8303
    @donstallard8303 3 роки тому +2

    very nicely presented video and very informative

  • @Andy-Gibb
    @Andy-Gibb 2 роки тому

    Awesome work.

  • @Rick-tb4so
    @Rick-tb4so 2 роки тому +3

    Great video and with 1 hour of cycle time I now realize the cost of manufacturing.

  • @longbellycaster
    @longbellycaster 2 роки тому

    That’s a cool way of rifling!

  • @brucelemken3249
    @brucelemken3249 Рік тому +1

    Awesome use of Fusion 360

  • @ndtpro76
    @ndtpro76 Рік тому +1

    I would seek to add a multi point tool that free spins on the draw rod. This would be pulled through as a final stroke to remove the burr at each edge of both sides of each groove, and polish that corner uniformly. Of course, a couple rounds of hard lead ball would largely accomplish the same thing.... The tool could easily be created in a sintered metal process. Very cool process that can easily be changed for things like gain-twist rifling, 5R, etc... Awesome fix!

  • @tecra3toshiba149
    @tecra3toshiba149 2 роки тому +2

    This falls back to a design I saw in print that Pope used 50 - 60 years ago - but your re-engineering is just plain fantastic. I have an old rifle - and the only repair - is to roll the barrel from 0.312 to a standard 0.358 rifling. Thank you Sir - cheers

  • @christurley391
    @christurley391 Рік тому

    Thanks for sharing your process.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  Місяць тому

      Thanks for watching!

  • @greglaroche1753
    @greglaroche1753 Рік тому

    Very. interesting. Thanks!

  • @theradioweyr
    @theradioweyr 9 місяців тому +1

    Outstanding!

  • @garywemmer9342
    @garywemmer9342 Рік тому

    Don't it make you just want to drool, with the possibilities!!!!

  • @pamtnman1515
    @pamtnman1515 Рік тому

    Fascinating and useful video

  • @RobertBoggstools
    @RobertBoggstools 3 роки тому +1

    Loved the video thank you

  • @treetrimmerguy2
    @treetrimmerguy2 Рік тому +5

    Amazing work, The only thing I don't like about the extreme care you put into your rifles. Is that it really makes me want to purchase one of your rifle kits. Boy this precision barrel work, along with some of that extra fancy Maple. Sure would be fun to finish up here in my shop. Just what I need. Another project. Cars and guns. That is where all my money seems to go. Keep up the great work. Hope you have a great Christmas. Hope your dog is still doing okay.

  • @keithmoreland556
    @keithmoreland556 2 роки тому +2

    As a Machinist tool maker I Don,t Know if You Use a Diamond Wheel wet grinder for touch up the tool i have had best results using 1200 loaded up finishing wheel until the face is like a mirror it will cut longer without resharping also i try to use the hardest carbide i can find grade 5 i believe with a 4 to 6 degrees. Under the tip .010 wide and 10 degrees relief for oil cooling also you may try a chip breaker on top of the tool but its pretty small now and your asking it to do a lot may not be a good ideal . But as a swiss automatic and CNC-NC lathe machinist i know the steel and 4 to 6 will work and the blackest carbide mirrored finish no lines under 30x magnifcation More Cutting Less Sharping. Love The Video like the shop the dog and the music best of luck in all you do. Keith

  • @tallyman15
    @tallyman15 2 роки тому

    Great video.

  • @karlhubben8009
    @karlhubben8009 Рік тому +1

    Good job, exellent idea!

  • @nilebrixton8436
    @nilebrixton8436 Рік тому

    fascinating to watch. thanks!

  • @futuresonex
    @futuresonex 2 роки тому +1

    Very cool!

  • @henrykleyn3423
    @henrykleyn3423 Рік тому

    Thanks, that was quite educational. Great Video.

  • @johnreynolds6499
    @johnreynolds6499 2 роки тому +1

    Amazing. Thanks for sharing.

  • @marknaglreiter9330
    @marknaglreiter9330 9 місяців тому

    About the only Change I'd make is indicating the muzzle end using the spider adjusting screws. When I'm chambering I indicate both ends within .001. Excellent job. I think the z axis feed is fast enough, I might take a little shallower cut per pass. I put the indicator needle right into the muzzle.

  • @BigT27295
    @BigT27295 2 роки тому

    That's pretty dang slick

  • @CarlosManuel-wm2ud
    @CarlosManuel-wm2ud 2 місяці тому

    Muy interesante su explicación de cómo funciona el mecanismo del estriado y todo su proceso soy cubano y esto para mi es algo desconocido ni sabía que esto se pudiera publicar ❤

  • @obaidashafai1797
    @obaidashafai1797 Рік тому

    very clever, very informative video thank you very much for your presentation

  • @d.jensen5153
    @d.jensen5153 9 місяців тому +1

    Nice job!

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  7 місяців тому

      thanks for watching!

  • @rickoshea8138
    @rickoshea8138 2 роки тому

    Clever use of CNC lathe!

  • @atulgohil
    @atulgohil 3 роки тому +7

    This is by far the most explanatory video I have come across yet about rifling head. Thanks! I would really like to get some more details of how you made the rifling head as I'm in the process of making one for myself. Pls advise. Thanks once again.

  • @pauldonzella5052
    @pauldonzella5052 Рік тому +2

    Snap on makes a bore scope that's not to expensive and is great for looking at the lands and groove.

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  Рік тому +2

      Thank you for the suggestion Paul!

    • @pauldonzella5052
      @pauldonzella5052 Рік тому +2

      @@kiblerjim not a snap on dealer.... mechanic. I own one and used it to look over the bore of an 1884 45-70 my son had gotten for me.

  • @James-fs4rn
    @James-fs4rn 5 місяців тому

    👍 brilliant! Sorry about the pup. Hard to watch them get old.

  • @gruberstein
    @gruberstein 3 роки тому +1

    Very cool and every machine shop or garage needs a three legged dog.

  • @arrondo7804
    @arrondo7804 9 місяців тому +1

    Awesome!👍🙏💗

  • @whiteblock8
    @whiteblock8 9 місяців тому +1

    very interesting and thoughtfull process, thanks for shareing

    • @kiblerjim
      @kiblerjim  7 місяців тому

      Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!